Freedom of Religion (Islam Counts)

Vanity | 11/17/02 | Persuasion

[Persuasion]

Lately I've been seeing a lot of anti-muslim posts on Free Republic. I think many of you who have posted ought to be ashamed and I think it ought to stop.

The total hatred and prejudice flowing out of you is overwhelming. You have reason to hate your attackers. You have reason to go to war with them. You have reason to seek justice. But you do not have any reason to act like biggoted Clymers toward people who have had nothing to do with those attacks. And there are many, many muslims in America that fit that billing. The president has recognized them. I support him whole-heartedly, as I do in the war effort. And those who are reasonable, do too.

What do you stand for? The people's rights or getting your own way?

[Persuasion]

I am not speaking of muslims who oppress their women, amputate the limbs of thieves and drug addicts, etc.
I am speaking of the many muslims alive today who
do not engage in these practices who are still
being treated as if they did.

Now you can sit there in ignorance and pretend that
every one of them is the same, but what good will it
do anyone? What has bigotry done for conservatives
in the past? It's given them a bad name and lost them
some votes. But rationality won the elections for them
this year. Let's stay rational.

Capslock isn't any more convincing than regular text.

[arielb]

I've seen too many clerics who condemned Sept 11 but "on the other hand" it's ok to kill Jews in Israel. Or it's not ok to kill Jews outside the green line but it's ok to kill Jews behind the green line.

[Diddle E. Squat]

You are not the only dumbass on this thread, but you are pretty representative. Can you not read? The poster stated that he supports Bush and the war on terrorism, and then you ignore it and demand statements of outrage.

Sheesh.

[Persuasion]

I seem to remember American Muslims condeming the 9/11 attacks. And I know some personally who have done so.

[wretchard]

Two weeks ago, I met a Muslim survivor of the Bali bombing. He was at a table in the Sari club with his two brothers and a stranger when it blew. One of his brothers was killed outright. The second is still hovering between life and death with his lungs burned out. The man I was speaking to had fist-sized holes the size knocked out of his legs and torso, which were burned all over. The fourth man had carried him out.

He told us that he learned who the angels and devils were that night. The angels included the Hindu Balinese, Christian westerners and Muslims. Anyone who helped. And there were many. The devils did not need naming.

In the last year, we've seen Afghans, Turks and Yemenis fight, and die by our side and we've seen people like Johnny Walker Lindh sell us out. My own view is that handsome is, as handsome does. Anyone who sides with these terrorists and plots to kill innocents, be he Buddhist, Presbyterian, Muslim or Jain, deserves my hate. And he will get it.

Any man who fights them, be he an Afghan tribesman, a Pakistani policeman or an Iranian student, is my brother. I think that's what the Bali survivor was trying to say, and that is what I believe.

[Persuasion]

Hey, preach against the text. That's fine.
But the outrageous posts here demanding
that all muslims be crushed and killed is
both anti-american and revolting.

Tell me. What does our declaration of independence say?

[Persuasion]

Can't dispute that there are a lot of good people that follow Islam and for some the thought of taking up arms against unbelievers is abhorrent. But within the tenants of Islam is embedded an ideology that that allows no compromise with or acceptance of other religious beliefs.

Hey, I agree with you completely. But I also find the demands for the elimination of all muslims abhorrent.

[MatthewViti]

what's with the "Call me 'Ishmael!'" in your profile? werido

[TLBSHOW]

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) -

"The world is just going mental as far as I'm concerned,"

I try and remind myself basically that there's more to life than the material world,"

"Basically I think the planet is doomed,"

"And it's my attempt to try to put a bit of a spin on the spiritual side, a reminder for myself and for anybody who's interested."

george harrison 11/30/2000

nov 19th 2002 the cd arrives, chilling isn't it?

[arielb]

ask them what they think of terrorism in Israel or whether Saddam should remain in power

[Post Toasties]

I'm not assuming that 'Persuasion' is a Muslim, for one thing. Therefore, my statements re. Muslims should not be assumed to apply to her, now should they?

You're the one who made that dumbass mistake.

[yianni]

Islam is NOT just merely a religion. It is a world domination POLITICAL movement.

Islam is not a religion. It is an expansionist social philosophy - something like Amway but with a more aggressive marketing strategy.

[TLBSHOW]

November 17, 2002 -- Al Qaeda wants to hit New York and Washington again - unless the United States withdraws its support of Israel and Russia, according to a new document received by an Arab journalist. The reporter for the Arab television service Al-Jazeera, Yosri Fouda, said he received the unsigned, six-page document last week and considered it authentic. Fouda said the renewed threat arrived a day after his station first broadcast an audiotape that experts said had recently been recorded by Osama bin Laden. Speaking by telephone from London, Fouda said the new message called on Americans to...
new york post

[Joe 6-pack]

"Tell me. What does our declaration of independence say?"

This...

"...We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends."

Are you one of those who is still somehow in doubt that we are war?

[Post Toasties]

I agree that anyone in favor of genocidal techniques should be shunned.

I would simply like to see the violent passages in Mosque copies of the Koran expurgated by US law, since they're not religious in nature, but insurrectionary.

[Cacique]

If a religion preached cannibalism, should it be encouraged and protected?

If a religion promoted pedophilia, should it be protected and encouraged?

Is the concept of religious freedom an absolute?

I think not, our culture is Judeo-Christian, our civilisation is based on it. Even an atheist like me recognizes that simple fact. Islam promotes a number of behaviours which are antithetical to our civilization and it's evolution. There is nothing wrong with promoting it's destruction when the aim of the Islamists is to promote ours.

[TLBSHOW]

SLAM

[JCG]

Now you can sit there in ignorance and pretend that
every one of them is the same, but what good will it
do anyone?

Might save a life or two. It would be nice if we could divine who the good ones are as opposed to the 10-15% bad ones. But we can't.

Here's a happy thought from Middle East expert Daniel Pipes:

Islamists constitute a small but significant minority of Muslims, perhaps 10 to 15 per cent of the population. Many of them are peaceable in apearance, but they all must be considered potential killers.

How does 400,000 to 800,000 -- in our country -- potential killers sound?

Pipes article here...

Muslim population in America

Meet an Islamist -- peaceable in appearance, killer

America's Fifth Column ... watch Steve Emerson/PBS documentary JIHAD! In America
New Link: Download 8 Mb zip file here (60 minute video)

[Bobby777]

FBI Most Wanted Terrorist List