'It's OK to kill non-Muslims': radical cleric

The Ottawa Citizen ^ | November 18, 2002 | Michael Petrou

[Edward Watson]

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It's OK to kill non-Muslims': radical cleric

Segments of taped messages have been posted on Web site

Michael Petrou

The Ottawa Citizen

LONDON -- A radical London-based Muslim cleric has been caught on film urging his followers to kill non-Muslims and commit acts of terrorism.

Tapes of Sheik Abu Hamza, a cleric affiliated with London's Finsbury Park mosque, telling an audience that non-believers should be killed or sold into slavery have been smuggled onto the Internet.

The tapes, which appear to have been made for propaganda purposes, were allegedly given by Mr. Hamza to a researcher who posed as a supporter and infiltrated his inner circle.

"If a kafir person (non-believer) goes in a Muslim country, he is like a cow. Anybody can take him. That is the Islamic law," Mr. Hamza says on one tape.

"If a kafir is walking by and you catch him, he's booty. You can sell him in the market. Most of them are spies. And even if they don't do anything, if Muslims cannot take them and sell them in the market, you just kill them. It's OK."

Mr. Hamza also praises the al-Qaeda bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania that killed 224 people.

"If Muslims are having a war against these people, than yes, it is legitimate," he says.

He then praised attacks against ships from non-Muslim countries: "If a ship which loses its way and comes to a Muslim land, they'll take it as booty."

A terrorist attack in 2000 on the USS Cole killed 17 American sailors. The attack has been linked to Muslim militants in Britain, but Mr. Hamza has never been charged.

Despite accusations he recruits for al-Qaeda, Mr. Hamza's only punishment in Britain has been a High Court order banning him from preaching at the Finsbury Park mosque. However, when the Citizen visited the mosque several weeks ago, worshippers had his phone number handy.

"It's all fabrication. He's just taking clips and taking it out of context, as usual," Mr. Hamza said last night when asked about the videos.

He scoffed at suggestions the tapes may lead to his arrest.

He said he can't be accused of inciting people to commit violent acts because he's a cleric who only preaches Muslim law. "I say the reality that's in the Muslim books anyway. Whether I say it or not, it's in the books."

The sheik, who was born in Egypt and grew up in England, then alluded to more violence -- using language similar to that used by Osama bin Laden.

"Just as non-Muslim blood is hot, Muslim blood is hot, too," he said. "It's for them to worry about. When they kill, they will be killed."

Other videos show British Muslims fighting in what appears to be Bosnia, bragging about killing Serbs and carrying out a holy war with other Muslims from all over the world, including Canada.

In one tape, a British medical student, who says his name is Abu Ibrahim, is shown holding a Kalashnikov machine-gun and mocking Muslims whose only contribution to jihad is to donate money to an Islamic charity.

"What we lack are Muslims that are prepared to suffer and sacrifice," he says.

Somewhat bizarrely, Mr. Ibrahim then says fighting a holy war isn't too tough.

"People think that when you come to Bosnia, you sit and there are shells falling around you," he says. "They don't know that we have kebabs. They don't know that we have ice cream and cakes here. ... They don't know that this is a nice holiday for us."

Mr. Ibrahim's speech then becomes gruesome.

"You see the Serbs, the same people that raped our brothers and sisters. You see their dead bodies lying around in the hundreds. You feel that you've achieved something."

Segments of the videos are posted on the Internet at www.johnathangaltfilms.com .

© Copyright 2002 The Ottawa Citizen

[Edward Watson]

Let me see if I understand this. Here's a Muslim cleric advocating MURDERING non-Muslims, and ON TAPE, and the British government isn't arresting him for incitement of murder?

This is a perfect illustration of what's wrong with this barbaric religion and the idiocy of us in the West. We seem incapable of taking their threats seriously until it's too late. "Religion of peace" my a@@.

Imagine what would happen if a Catholic priest, a Protestant pastor or a Mormon bishop said the same thing? Who here can doubt the media frenzy and their immediate arrest and conviction?

[Guillermo]

Amazing how Europeans and Canadians still think it's the USA who is the cause of all evil in the world.

And, they think they will be spared if a Mohammedan government should take them over.

[AZLiberty]

Apparently it's not hateful to hate Westerners. The people who hate us get a pass on hate crimes.

[blackdog]

Inaction on the part of governing bodies over individuals like this is enexcusable. It will result in complete anarchy once the gubby's are labeled as being "irrelevant". People will eventually do what needs to be done in any just situation if their own safety is at risk. Our own governments and their special statushood for this group or that group are bigger threats to our long term survival than Bin Laden, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, Saddam, Hitler, and Kim Jong combined.

The public knows, it is time to flush the toilet. Isolate Islamic nations to their own end. As the good cleric say's about people and cows.....It is best to keep all the cows in the barn than to have them $hit up your own back yard.

[UnsinkableMollyBrown]

He said he can't be accused of inciting people to commit violent acts because he's a cleric who only preaches Muslim law. "I say the reality that's in the Muslim books anyway. Whether I say it or not, it's in the books."

[GaryMontana]

Since he is in favor of killing, we should capture this muslim parasite along with his family. Next we need to Kill his family in front of him. Finaly kill this slime last.

[knuthom]

He said he can't be accused of inciting people to commit violent acts because he's a cleric who only preaches Muslim law. "I say the reality that's in the Muslim books anyway. Whether I say it or not, it's in the books."

How come this doesn't seem to apply for those who speak against homosexuality? It doesn't matter that they are only saying what is in the Bible. It is called hate speech anyway.

[philetus]

"Tapes of Sheik Abu Hamza, a cleric affiliated with London's Finsbury Park mosque, telling an audience that non-believers should be killed or sold into slavery have been smuggled onto the Internet."



Although there is ample evidence to show that islam is NOT "a religion of peace", western leaders are not going to admit it.

"If a kafir person (non-believer) goes in a Muslim country, he is like a cow. Anybody can take him. That is the Islamic law," Mr. Hamza says on one tape.

Why arn't the "peaceful" muslims coming forward with info about the fanatical muslims? After all, since the "extreme" muslims are someones father, brother, sister, mother, uncle, cousin, friend,etc. and they are all muslims,someone in the "peaceful" group knows each of the "extreme" muslims.

"If a kafir is walking by and you catch him, he's booty. You can sell him in the market. Most of them are spies. And even if they don't do anything, if Muslims cannot take them and sell them in the market, you just kill them. It's OK."

If they are not afraid to preach this crap in public,then logic tells me they are definately preaching to their fellow muslims.

"If Muslims are having a war against these people, than yes, it is legitimate," he says.

Every muslim country in the world persecutes non-muslims.

"You see the Serbs, the same people that raped our brothers and sisters. You see their dead bodies lying around in the hundreds. You feel that you've achieved something."

History shows us that, every time muslims have become the majority in a country, the persecution has started in earnest.

Couldn't happen in the U.S.?
There are many things happening in the U.S. today that I would have said was impossible 30 years ago.

When the muslim population in the U.S. gets large enough,when they get enough muslims in office to enact laws,
when they have enough muslims in positions of authority,

("A disturbing pattern of infiltration of lower levels of the U.S. military by would-be Islamist jihad warriors is emerging, cautions one analyst of military affairs and terrorism.")

I think we'll start seeing a different approach in the American muslim population.

In one tape, a British medical student, who says his name is Abu Ibrahim, is shown holding a Kalashnikov machine-gun and mocking Muslims whose only contribution to jihad is to donate money to an Islamic charity.

"What we lack are Muslims that are prepared to suffer and sacrifice," he says.

Could that be because, at this time, the odds are stacked against them?

[tessalu]

As the nations of the world leave God, they will no longer have God's protection, and they will be left to Satan.
As America keeps God out of it's daily life, the wicked ones multiply and spread their hatreds and false teachings, and things shall be as it was in the days of Noah, before the flood, and just as wicked as can be.

[Nachum]

Very good post.

[Francohio]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/790043/posts

[DoctorMichael]

Juxtaposing this filth against the Bush and Powell remarks defending Islam scares me to my bones. When will we wake up before it's too late?

[skeeter]

Meanwhile, in America Colin Powell is admonishing Pat Robertson
for doubting Islam is a religion of piece. Its nuts.

[God is good]

Cut him a break. He's just blowing off some steam. It's free speech anyway. It's those Christians who need to shut up. What a bunch of intolerant religious bigots those Christians are!

[weegee]

Amazing how Europeans and Canadians still think it's the USA who is the cause of all evil in the world.

And, they think they will be spared if a Mohammedan government should take them over.

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First they came for the land of Israel, and I did not care; it's only land.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not care because I am not Jewish; besides they're acting like Nazis now.

Then they came for the Hindus, and I did not care because I am not Hindi; I'm too worried about what the Chinese government is doing to the people of Tibet.

Then they came for the Christians, and I did not care because I am not Christian; and besides those people deserve what they get for the way they've oppressed the world for the past 400 years.

Then they came for the Americans, and I did not care (in fact I rejoiced silently) because I am not an American; maybe now my pitiful country will return to being top dog. Something about those Yanks; up to the first half of the 20th century, they were nothing. Well, yeah, they did break away from the monarchy and start their own form of government that has served as a model for the world and identified undeniable freedoms, and pulled Europe's ass out of the fire twice, but besides all of that, what did they really do?

Now the Islamists are coming for me. They are asking me to swear allegiance to Allah before I die; they say that they will decapitate me either way but...

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