The Free State Project: A Project for Idaho

Idaho Observer via Sierra Times ^ | 11/16/02 | Hari Heath

[steve50]

There's been disasters since man began. Only recently has he depended on government to save him from them. The feds got the job on a cost+ basis, too good to refuse.

[wimpycat]

And I'm sure the seatbelt and speeding and drunk driving laws will all be repealed or severely curtailed, resulting in a spike in fatalities that would cause insurance costs in Idaho to shoot through the roof and put auto insurance out of the reach of more people, assuming Idaho would require auto insurance in the first place.

I wonder who would pay for the medical costs of these accidents, given how more motorists would be uninsured and unable to afford the exhorbitant costs involved in severe head injury cases and quadriplegia.

Would toll roads replace taxes and federal funds to maintain the highways and interstate system?

[wimpycat]

Real freedom is possible only in societies that are essentially made up of one race and oriented to the natural desires and values of their people and their heritage.

Then the U.S. has been doomed from the very beginning.

Sorry, but the dark-skinned and other non-Northern Europeans aren't going any damn where, so your dream may as well do the decent thing and kill itself right now.

[habs4ever]

Would it be a requirement to take collodial silver?

"Welcome to Idaho, the Blue Potato State"

[gcruse]

created by the effort and wealth of a government organization

Wrong..  Government creates negative wealth, that is, government
is a consumer of money.  It creates none.  If government
organization were the fountain of wealth, the USSR would have
been the premier economy.

[TonyWojo]

Idaho, or Costa Rica?

[Plutarch]

I think its a great idea, but can't the Libertarians have their own state and the Conservatives theirs?

[sistergoldenhair]

Thanks for the ping.

[wimpycat]

Your response doesn't answer the larger question as to how would Idahoans recover after a natural disaster without federal disaster relief in today's modern society. These are very practical questions that must be asked and answered, instead of waxing nostalgic after the good-old days before federal assistance and laying blame.

[AAABEST]

Somebody told me a long time ago that there are those amongst us that hate anything free. Although I've never quite understood it, I've had this fact of life proved to me over and over again.

The two of you sound like foul-mouthed whisker-twitching rats. This idea is like fingernails on a chalkboard to people like you isn't it? Makes me all the more convinced that it's a great idea, if the hand wringing puny people hate it.

The first thing that comes to one of your minds is the horror of repealing seat belt laws, the other newbie is lauding "government organization" and calling people who reject it "parasitic".

Hope everything is all shiney and happy with your seatbelt laws and "government organization".

[archy]

Real freedom is possible only in societies that are essentially made up of one race and oriented to the natural desires and values of their people and their heritage.

True enough in the past, as a generality, at least. But in these days of modern global communication, and in this particular case I think it's possible that common values and similar if not identical political beliefs may be of more importance.

Would I be surprised to see *enclaves* of towns or cities of those of different races or religions in a state favoured by FSP dwellers? Not too much. Would I count on them as my fellow porcupiners and pals. You betcha.

Would it surprise me if some different from most moved on to another location following an initial FSPer migration? Not at all; it's their choice, and if they might duplicate the initial FSP success elsewhere, more power to 'em. I'll give 'em a hand if they want to leave, and I'll give 'em one if they want to stay.

And I expect most of my fellow porkypiners feel about the same, at least the several dozen I'm in fairly regular contact seem to. Some of them may even be of other races, or religions, or Visitors from a Strange Distant Planet. If so, I haven't yet noticed, and they haven't yet thought it worthy of patrticular mention.

So for now, I'll settle for an apparant lack of race-baiting hustlers and pimps and in-your-face sexually-driven fetishists who think I'm unnatural for not sharing their fondness for hamsters. But I bet they don't play those games with the porcupines on their home ground- once they figure out where it is.

-archy-/-

[Taxman]

This is an interesting concept. It appealed to me when I first read Atlas Shrugged in 1958, and it appeals to me now.

HST, I like the idea of 50 FRee States.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

Government regulates the environment in which business can thrive and markets flourish. Don't tell me that you think that in the absence of government there would be wonderful roads, civil commerce, and general civility and well being all around.

It would look like Somalia.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

Sorry, but the dark-skinned and other non-Northern Europeans aren't going any damn where, so your dream may as well do the decent thing and kill itself right now.

Yeah, you pegged that one. Looks like another Aryan Nations devotee, upset that North America isn't 100% white.

[AAABEST]

how would Idahoans recover after a natural disaster without federal disaster relief in today's modern society.

You really are screwed aren't you? The first thing you think of is the horror of repealing seatbelt laws, now you're saying that humans can't go on after a natural disaster without FEMA?

You're truly an example of how beaten down and perverted the American spirit has become. Sorry to tell you that.

Wrap yourself in a fluffy blanket, take some happy pills and curl up for an exciting episode of friends. That's about all you're useful for at this point, pure dead weight.

[archy]

Your response doesn't answer the larger question as to how would Idahoans recover after a natural disaster without federal disaster relief in today's modern society.

And your question doesn't address the still-larger question of how those in other, less independant and self-reliant locales would recover after an equally serious disaster in their backyards will recover without the federal disaster relief they need every bit as much a junkie needs his next fix, particularly if those funds have dwindled to nothing from having been fraudulently applied elsewhere, or are denied for self-serving political reasons.

Indeed, I think you'll find that most of those in Iowa and other places can respond pretty quickly and effectively to such things once they're not burdened by having to drag around the beltway bureaucrats whose hands are in their wallet pockets, hanging on for dear life like leeches. I expect I have enough of a background in disaster response and emergency management to be of assistance to those of my neighbors who might need assistance, and they don't have to givve me half of all they make and own to get my help, just ask for it. If someone better qualified steps up to run such a show, so much the better; I'll happily do whatever I can as a deputy or staffer instead, or cheerfully go home and go back to bed if I'm in the way.

But what are those poor disaster-stricken folks in those other places going to do when they're similarly affected, and the FedGov help isn't there for them following a Soviet Union-style last gasp cabinet crisis and political breakup. Don't think it can't happen here; the Soviet Communists were willing to resort to much more extreme methods to try to halt that process there; and that dog won't hunt hereabouts.

-archy-/-

[gcruse]

 Don't tell me that you think that in the
absence of government there would be wonderful roads
, civil commerce, and general civility and well being all around.

None of the above need be federal.
 

[archy]

The first thing that comes to one of your minds is the horror of repealing seat belt laws, the other newbie is lauding "government organization" and calling people who reject it "parasitic"

Don't be so hard on them. If they put up a good show, perhaps they'll be given useful positions in the work camps informing on their felow inmat-, er, detainees, and will be given an extra ration of bread.

In the meantime, give a listen to this, and remember what Americans used to be like.

-archy-/-

[archy]

It would look like Somalia.

...once the federal troops and police arrived.

But the U.S. forces were thrown out of Somalia by the *warlords* there.

-archy-/-