The Free State Project: A Project for Idaho

Idaho Observer via Sierra Times ^ | 11/16/02 | Hari Heath

[AAABEST]

LOL. Now you're hysterical, funny even.

Do you actually expect to be taken seriously with that rap?

[archy]

Archy

Let's make this work!

I'm in. See recipients for ping list.

[wimpycat]

I don't expect you to take me seriously at all, since you don't even take your own "free state" seriously enough to address the obstacles it would certainly have to overcome.
You'd rather bitch and moan and remain as impotent as you currently are than break a sweat addressing the mundane issues such as state and town revenues.


Do you expect to be taken seriously when you heap personal abuse (read: dodging the issue) on someone who is asking valid, practical questions about your "free state"?

You can't even begin to explain how you'd get your "free state" through a lost potato crop, or how you'd settle disputes over water, or how you'd expect state residents to countenance paying federal taxes when your state legislature won't bring federal funds into the state.

Until you can realistically answer these and other practical and valid questions, no one will ever take you seriously.

[watcher1]

Great!

[Roscoe]

I'm picturing fleas planning to take over a dog.

[Cultural Jihad]

What a great idea! It will be the only thing in the world which will make us happy! Our watchword is: No compromise! So don't give up the fight! Sell your homes! Sell your possessions! Freedom in our lifetime! Somalia here we come! WooHoo!

[Cultural Jihad]

You can drop dead for all I care.

Now there's the Liberaltarian motto. Not much sentiment declaring that humans are endowed with rights and that they have immeasurable worth and value. Not much emphasis on the inalienable rights to life, liberty, or the pursuit of happiness there; just a big 'drop dead.'

[tpaine]

I'm picturing you two lice planning to take over the flea on that dogs back.

[u-89]

Until you can realistically answer these and other practical and valid questions, no one will ever take you seriously.

The problem of 70 years of socialism is that few people are alive who know any better than what we now have. Being by nature conservative, people want to conserve what they know. Government is now involved in so many things and has been for so long that people can't imagine it any other way and are scared of the prospects if they do imagine it. Try and imagine the scale of this bitter irony, the country our forefathers bequeathed to us, this very country and the descendants of these fathers, to these very people liberty is scarey.

Your questions of how such a free society would function are valid. I have read numerous proposals on transition from what we have to where we would be. Didn't save them and it is too much for me to summarize so will have to search. Perhaps I can find some links or even post a few things articles on.

[watcher1]

Keep pinging me

[AAABEST]

I told you, irrational one, that I'm not yet a porcupine.

That said, how the hell can one be expected to engage someone, who when in a discussion of Idaho can't seem to get off the subject of potatoes.

Idaho = potoatos = the indespenable FEMA. OK, you made your point.

Your first grave concern was the God awful fear that they just might repeal seat belt laws, you were all downhill from there. If there was any overt reason for participating in the FSP it would be to get away from people like you.

Go bug somebody else.

[Roscoe]

On a summer day in the month of May a burly bum came hiking
Down a shady lane through the sugar cane, he was looking for his liking.
As he roamed along he sang a song of the land of milk and honey
Where a bum can stay for many a day, and he won't need any money

Oh the buzzin' of the bees in the cigarette trees near the soda water fountain,
At the lemonade springs where the bluebird sings on the Big Rock Candy Mountains

There's a lake of gin we can both jump in, and the handouts grow on bushes
In the new-mown hay we can sleep all day, and the bars all have free lunches
Where the mail train stops and there ain't no cops, and the folks are tender-hearted
Where you never change your socks and you never throw rocks,
And your hair is never parted

Oh the buzzin' of the bees in the cigarette trees near the soda water fountain,
At the lemonade springs where the bluebird sings on the Big Rock Candy Mountains

Oh, a farmer and his son, they were on the run, to the hay field they were bounding
Said the bum to the son, "Why don't you come to the big rock candy mountains?"
So the very next day they hiked away, the mileposts they were counting
But they never arrived at the lemonade tide, on the Big Rock Candy Mountains

Oh the buzzin' of the bees in the cigarette trees near the soda water fountain,
At the lemonade springs where the bluebird sings on the Big Rock Candy Mountains

One evening as the sun went down and the jungle fires were burning,
Down the track came a hobo hiking, and he said "Boys, I'm not turning.
I'm heading for a land that's far away beside the crystal fountains
So come with me, we'll go and see the Big Rock Candy Mountains

In the Big Rock Candy Mountains, there's a land that's fair and bright,
The handouts grow on bushes and you sleep out every night
Where the boxcars all are empty and the sun shines every day
On the birds and the bees and the cigarete trees,
The lemonade springs where the bluebird sings
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains

In the Big Rock Candy Mountains, all the cops have wooden legs
And the bulldogs all have rubber teeth and the hens lay soft-boiled eggs
The farmer's trees are full of fruit and the barns are full of hay
Oh I'm bound to go where there ain't no snow
Where the rain don't fall, the wind don't blow
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains

In the Big Rock Candy Mountains, you never change your socks
And little streams of alcohol come a-trickling down the rocks
The brakemen have to tip their hats and the railroad bulls are blind
There's a lake of stew and of whiskey too
And you can paddle all around 'em in a big canoe
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains

In the Big Rock Candy Mountains the jails are made of tin,
And you can walk right out again as soon as you are in
There ain't no short-handled shovels, no axes, saws or picks,
I'm a-goin' to stay where you sleep all day
Where they hung the jerk that invented work
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains

I'll see you all this comin' fall in the Big Rock Candy Mountains!

[Roscoe]

The idea of the FSP is going to grow by leaps and bounds.

Today a table at Denny's, next year two tables at Denny's!

[watcher1]

Time will tell, won't it?

[wimpycat]

You're the irrational one. You have yet to offer one practical solution to any problem likely to be encountered.

Are you telling me that once you become a "porcupine" (lol!) then all of a sudden the ideas will just start rolling in? Oh yeah, that's a winning plan alright. LOL!

Good luck, you big "L" Loser! LOL!

[Cultural Jihad]

Welcome to the Free State Project's Free Lunch Division...

[u-89]

Good luck, you big "L" Loser! LOL!

As you and others here taunt I think back to what those in old Europe endured when discussing their plans to go to the new world. Basically what is being said here by detractors in this thread is that people can not survive without large government managing and "paying" for the people's daily needs. How leftist in thought. Is that what Conservatism is today? Conserving the welfare/managerial state? Today's world is too complex for notions like liberty, individual responsibility, private property, private contract, free enterprise??? Sorry but I didn't realize how antiquated and silly these things were. I guess this conservative isn't up to date.

P.S. Social life and work has prevented me from digging up some articles for you but I did not forget or shy away.

cordially,

[verity]

Idaho seems to be the perfect place for these folks.

[Kevin Curry]

Basically what is being said here by detractors in this thread is that people can not survive without large government managing and "paying" for the people's daily needs.

That isn't what's being said at all. What we're saying (or at least what I'm saying) is that "free state" libertarians don't have a clue about how to run an effective government--even a small government. They have a visceral hatred of government of any size, but blind hatred of government is thin gruel on which sustain a healthy, prosperous community.

The founding fathers rejected this cramped libertarian worldview when they trash-canned the weak and ineffective Articles of Confederation and crafted the more vigorous and muscular Constitution.

[wku man]

I can't help but notice that you keep referring to potatoes when you talk about Idaho's economy. Like most people who've never been to the state, I once thought that's all Idaho had to offer. I was wrong. Wheat, oats, soybeans, the Union Pacific Railroad, and high-tech are just a few of the other parts of Idaho's economy. I was there for the better part of 1999, and fell in love with the state (too bad I had to leave). My brother and his family are in Boise, and from what he tells me, it sounds their economy is doing a heckuva lot better than here in Florida. Don't underestimate Idaho...there's a lot going on there.

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