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'It's OK to kill non-Muslims': Bosnian-British radical cleric message exposed on Web
The Ottawa Citizen ^ | Monday November 18 2002 | Michael Petrou

Posted on 11/18/2002 11:08:33 AM PST by Destro

Monday » November 18 » 2002

'It's OK to kill non-Muslims': radical cleric

Segments of taped messages have been posted on Web site

Michael Petrou

The Ottawa Citizen

LONDON -- A radical London-based Muslim cleric has been caught on film urging his followers to kill non-Muslims and commit acts of terrorism.

Tapes of Sheik Abu Hamza, a cleric affiliated with London's Finsbury Park mosque, telling an audience that non-believers should be killed or sold into slavery have been smuggled onto the Internet.

The tapes, which appear to have been made for propaganda purposes, were allegedly given by Mr. Hamza to a researcher who posed as a supporter and infiltrated his inner circle.

"If a kafir person (non-believer) goes in a Muslim country, he is like a cow. Anybody can take him. That is the Islamic law," Mr. Hamza says on one tape.

"If a kafir is walking by and you catch him, he's booty. You can sell him in the market. Most of them are spies. And even if they don't do anything, if Muslims cannot take them and sell them in the market, you just kill them. It's OK."

Mr. Hamza also praises the al-Qaeda bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania that killed 224 people.

"If Muslims are having a war against these people, than yes, it is legitimate," he says.

He then praised attacks against ships from non-Muslim countries: "If a ship which loses its way and comes to a Muslim land, they'll take it as booty."

A terrorist attack in 2000 on the USS Cole killed 17 American sailors. The attack has been linked to Muslim militants in Britain, but Mr. Hamza has never been charged.

Despite accusations he recruits for al-Qaeda, Mr. Hamza's only punishment in Britain has been a High Court order banning him from preaching at the Finsbury Park mosque. However, when the Citizen visited the mosque several weeks ago, worshippers had his phone number handy.

"It's all fabrication. He's just taking clips and taking it out of context, as usual," Mr. Hamza said last night when asked about the videos.

He scoffed at suggestions the tapes may lead to his arrest.

He said he can't be accused of inciting people to commit violent acts because he's a cleric who only preaches Muslim law. "I say the reality that's in the Muslim books anyway. Whether I say it or not, it's in the books."

The sheik, who was born in Egypt and grew up in England, then alluded to more violence -- using language similar to that used by Osama bin Laden.

"Just as non-Muslim blood is hot, Muslim blood is hot, too," he said. "It's for them to worry about. When they kill, they will be killed."

Other videos show British Muslims fighting in what appears to be Bosnia, bragging about killing Serbs and carrying out a holy war with other Muslims from all over the world, including Canada.

In one tape, a British medical student, who says his name is Abu Ibrahim, is shown holding a Kalashnikov machine-gun and mocking Muslims whose only contribution to jihad is to donate money to an Islamic charity.

"What we lack are Muslims that are prepared to suffer and sacrifice," he says.

Somewhat bizarrely, Mr. Ibrahim then says fighting a holy war isn't too tough.

"People think that when you come to Bosnia, you sit and there are shells falling around you," he says. "They don't know that we have kebabs. They don't know that we have ice cream and cakes here. ... They don't know that this is a nice holiday for us."

Mr. Ibrahim's speech then becomes gruesome.

"You see the Serbs, the same people that raped our brothers and sisters. You see their dead bodies lying around in the hundreds. You feel that you've achieved something."

Segments of the videos are posted on the Internet at www.johnathangaltfilms.com .


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: balkans; bosnia; campaignfinance; islam; islamicviolence; jihadinamerica; muzziemaggots; sheikabuhamza; talibanlist
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What a brave reporter!

More on the Bosnian-British cleric: Video shows Ujaama with London cleric, talking about jihad At one point, Ujaama turns to Abu Hamza and adjusts the microphone for the cleric, who lost his hands while making a bomb in Bosnia, the FBI said.

More on the Bosnian 9/11 connection: Newly Unclassified: FBI tracked al-Qaida Bosnian-Saudis studying aircraft maintenance

1 posted on 11/18/2002 11:08:33 AM PST by Destro
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To: *balkans
"You see the Serbs, the same people that raped our brothers and sisters. You see their dead bodies lying around in the hundreds. You feel that you've achieved something."
2 posted on 11/18/2002 11:09:36 AM PST by Destro
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To: Destro
If my enemy comes to kill me, am I not justified in killing him first?
3 posted on 11/18/2002 11:10:42 AM PST by Abcdefg
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To: Abcdefg
Not if your a Christian especially a Serb.
4 posted on 11/18/2002 11:14:09 AM PST by Destro
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To: Destro
Religion of PEACE.....
5 posted on 11/18/2002 11:14:36 AM PST by Chuckster
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To: Destro
ROPMA
6 posted on 11/18/2002 11:19:10 AM PST by ChadGore
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To: Destro
AH yes, the religion of peace....

I am sorry, someone please anyone, explain to me that a religion that condones and glorifies death, muder, slavery, the subjugation of women, and contributes to over 90% of the wars on this planet is a religion of peace? And lets not even get into the fact it was founded by a murderous nutball.
7 posted on 11/18/2002 11:23:26 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Destro
Tapes of Sheik Abu Hamza, a cleric affiliated with London's Finsbury Park mosque, telling an audience that non-believers should be killed or sold into slavery have been smuggled onto the Internet.

It's really about time we start hitting back HARD.

8 posted on 11/18/2002 11:25:33 AM PST by Centurion2000
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To: JohnathanRGalt
www.johnathangaltfilms.com

Ping, in case you didn't know this was posted here.

9 posted on 11/18/2002 11:26:32 AM PST by Mitchell
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To: Destro
Bump for followup reading.
10 posted on 11/18/2002 11:29:02 AM PST by F-117A
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To: MadIvan
Our buddy's getting some exposure in the Great White North.
11 posted on 11/18/2002 11:39:34 AM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: Destro
You can't kill me if I kill you first.
12 posted on 11/18/2002 11:57:15 AM PST by Free Vulcan
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To: Destro

Delenda est Islamia


13 posted on 11/18/2002 12:03:40 PM PST by Cacique
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To: dennisw; knighthawk


mega ping
14 posted on 11/18/2002 12:05:24 PM PST by DTA
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To: Destro
Bump
15 posted on 11/18/2002 12:10:46 PM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: Destro
This cleric is great...they should have him speak at Harvard...offer him a Chair maybe.?
How about one of those new 'electric' ones...
16 posted on 11/18/2002 12:34:58 PM PST by joesnuffy
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To: Destro
OH OH ...this is not tolerant...
Better disarm some american veterans asap...
17 posted on 11/18/2002 12:36:09 PM PST by joesnuffy
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To: dennisw; watchin; VOA; harpseal; timestax; xJones; justshutupandtakeit; TopDog2; ThomasMore; ...
Tapes of Sheik Abu Hamza, a cleric affiliated with London's Finsbury Park mosque, telling an audience that non-believers should be killed or sold into slavery have been smuggled onto the Internet.

Islam-list

If people want on or off this list, please let me know.

18 posted on 11/18/2002 1:34:12 PM PST by knighthawk
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To: DTA
Thanks for the ping.
19 posted on 11/18/2002 1:35:26 PM PST by knighthawk
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To: knighthawk
Abu Hamza is the guy James Ujaama swore an oath of loyalty to.
20 posted on 11/18/2002 1:43:21 PM PST by aristeides
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To: Destro; *balkans
In addition to being used in the Ujaama trial in Seattle, the videos we obtained have been entered into evidence at the "Bosnian-Serb war crimes" trial at the Hague -- in support of the Serbian defense!

These videos clearly show that attacks against the Serbs were being funded, supported by Muslim groups in the West -- U.S. and U.K. -- as well as Saudi Arabia. The Serbs were defending themselves from outside aggression.

21 posted on 11/18/2002 1:46:22 PM PST by JohnathanRGalt
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To: Destro; knighthawk
"It's all fabrication. He's just taking clips and taking it out of context, as usual," Mr. Hamza said last night when asked about the videos.

The perpetual lefty argument.

How striking the similarities, and philosophy, are.

22 posted on 11/18/2002 2:43:01 PM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: *JIHAD IN AMERICA; Bad~Rodeo; Abar; Huggy; Sabertooth; reagan_fanatic; thatdewd; Cachelot; ...

Jehadi website ping: (let me know if you want on or off)

Thanks for the ping, Mitchell, and here's a Jehadi website ping back.

Previous FreeRepublic discussions:

Al Qaeda Recruitment Videos Placed on Web Video shows Ujaama talking about jihad
Fanatic Sheikh's Videos of Terror

Jehad is Crap

23 posted on 11/18/2002 2:51:38 PM PST by JohnathanRGalt
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To: Destro
He said he can't be accused of inciting people to commit violent acts because he's a cleric who only preaches Muslim law. "I say the reality that's in the Muslim books anyway. Whether I say it or not, it's in the books."

Good point. It is not the people - it is Islam.

24 posted on 11/18/2002 2:59:06 PM PST by A. Pole
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To: Centurion2000
It's really about time we start hitting back HARD.

What about taking away the allowance from KLA "freedom fighters"?

25 posted on 11/18/2002 3:02:33 PM PST by A. Pole
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To: JohnathanRGalt
In addition to being used in the Ujaama trial in Seattle, the videos we obtained have been entered into evidence at the "Bosnian-Serb war crimes" trial at the Hague -- in support of the Serbian defense!

Doubly good work!!!

26 posted on 11/18/2002 3:33:02 PM PST by thatdewd
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To: Abcdefg
If my enemy comes to kill me, am I not justified in killing him first?

You cannot commit murder in self defense...

27 posted on 11/18/2002 3:39:30 PM PST by null and void
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To: joesnuffy
"Better disarm some american veterans asap..." AND a few million WASPs too.....LOL........
28 posted on 11/18/2002 3:44:34 PM PST by litehaus
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To: Destro
 

Here's Al Hamza AKA Captain Hook. Blind in one eye and both hands messed up due to bomb handling accident in the MidEast. Still the idiots in the UK gave this scum asylum

 


29 posted on 11/18/2002 3:48:23 PM PST by dennisw
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To: knighthawk
Thanks for the ping.

If there is any doubt about the nature of what we face, this lays it out in stark terms.

This nutball is not alone. This goes on all over the world, at their sacred Mosques.
30 posted on 11/18/2002 3:52:23 PM PST by MonroeDNA
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To: Destro
Why is this enemy alive?
31 posted on 11/18/2002 3:54:34 PM PST by per loin
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To: JohnathanRGalt
In addition to being used in the Ujaama trial in Seattle, the videos we obtained have been entered into evidence at the "Bosnian-Serb war crimes" trial at the Hague -- in support of the Serbian defense!

May God bless you eternally, my friend.

32 posted on 11/18/2002 4:03:24 PM PST by MarMema
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To: FormerLib; Honorary Serb; Serb5150
See my above post. FYI, in case you were not aware - Johnathan put up a fake islamic website which was so believeable that he was sent tapes by the islamic crud. He sent these tapes on to authorities and now they are being used in the best possible ways.
33 posted on 11/18/2002 4:05:35 PM PST by MarMema
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To: Destro; crazykatz
"You see the Serbs, the same people that raped our brothers and sisters. You see their dead bodies lying around in the hundreds. You feel that you've achieved something."

A clear view of the hatred in this religion which worships above all the evil one. Memory Eternal to the Serbs who suffer and have suffered and died at the hands of these evil-filled humans.

34 posted on 11/18/2002 4:09:01 PM PST by MarMema
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To: Destro
And Bush has issues with Robertson, Falwell, and Graham.
35 posted on 11/18/2002 4:20:51 PM PST by Michael2001
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To: Destro
MORE LINKS OF INTEREST:

COMPUTER WORLD - Security Topics: "EXCLUSIVE: BIN LADEN ASSOCIATE WARNS OF CYBERATTACKS" by Dan Verton (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "A London-based fundamentalist Islamic cleric with known ties to Osama bin Laden said al-Qaeda and various other fundamentalist Muslim groups around the world are actively planning to use the Internet as a weapon in their "defensive" jihad, or holy war, against the West. In an exclusive interview today with Computerworld, Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad, founder of the London-based group Jama'at Al-Muhajirun and the spokesman for Osama bin Laden's International Islamic Front for Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders, said all types of technology, including the Internet, are being studied for use in the global jihad against the West...") (111802)

NATIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE PROTECTION CENTER: "What's New"

CANADA.com: "'IT'S OK TO KILL NON-MUSLIMS': RADICAL CLERIC" by Michael Petrou, The Ottawa Citizen (ARTICLE NOTE: The "radical cleric" is identified as Sheik Abu Hamza.)

INSIGHT On The News online: "TOP EGYPTIAN CLERIC JUSTIFIES SUICIDE TERRORISM" by Kenneth R. Timmerman (ARTICLE NOTE: The top Egyptian cleric is identified as Sheikh Ahmad Al-Tayyeb.) (111302)

WorldNetDaily.com: "EGYPTIAN CLERIC SEEKS MORE SUICIDE BOMBINGS" (ARTICLE NOTE: The Eygyptian cleric is identified as Sheikh Muhammad Sayyed Tantawi.) (April 8, 2002)

FBI.gov: "SEEKING INFORMATION: AMER EL-MAATI" (FBI POSTER NOTE: Amer El-Maati's known aka's are: "Amro Badr Eldin Abou El-Maati, Amro Badr Abouelmaat")

CANADA.com: "FBI TOLD RCMP MAN HAD TERROR LINK Embarrassed Officials Admit U.S. Sent Evidence About Maher Arar" by Mike Trickey, THE OTTAWA CITIZEN (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "Mr. Al-Maati's older brother, Amr Badr Abou Elmoati, also a Canadian citizen, is wanted by the FBI in connection with new al-Qaeda threats made against the U.S. Documents found in a house in Kabul a year ago contained a July 1996 letter from Immigration Canada to an Amro Abouelmaati in Toronto, informing him that his Canadian citizenship certificate was enclosed. A patient card from Toronto General Hospital with Mr. Abouelmaati's name on it was also found at the site.") (111802)

CANADA.com (THE DAILY TELEGRAPH and files from THE ASSOCIATED PRESS): "AL-QAIDA VIDEO PUTS HOTELS ON ALERT English Speaking Terrorists Trained to Execute Guests" (111702)

TIMES ONLINE.co.uk: "'AL-QAEDA MAN' HELD FOR HOTEL CAR BOMB PLOT" (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "The CIA is questioning a leading al-Qaeda fundraiser arrested in Kuwait, whom they accuse of plotting a car bomb at a hotel in Yemen used by American military personnel. Intelligence sources say that Mohsen al-Fadhli, who has been moved to a secret location, has also confessed to funding last month's attack on a French oil tanker off the Yemeni coast.") (111802)

USEMBASSY.state.gov: "U.S. EMBASSIES AND OTHER DIPLOMATIC MISSIONS"

WKMG.com - LOCAL 6.com: "POLICE: AIRPORT SCREENER STOPS MAN WITH MEAT CLEAVER" (ARTICLE NOTE: The suspect is identified as Joseph Jarvens Almeida, age 39, a Sri Lankan citizen.) (111802)

JERUSALEM POST.com: "TURKISH SECURITY: EL AL HIJACKER PLANNED 9/11-LIKE ATTACK IN TEL AVIV" by Matthew Gutman (ARTICLE NOTE: The suspect is identified as Tawfik Fukara, age 23. The weapon was a pocketknife.) (111902)

stepping back in time...SEPTEMBER 11, 2001: ATTACK ON AMERICA!

36 posted on 11/18/2002 4:29:19 PM PST by Cindy
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To: Destro
And more news links:

INSIGHT On The News online: "TOP EGYPTIAN CLERIC JUSTIFIES SUICIDE TERRORISM" by Kenneth R. Timmerman (ARTICLE NOTE: The top Egyptian cleric is identified as Sheikh Ahmad Al-Tayyeb.) (111302)

WorldNetDaily.com: "EGYPTIAN CLERIC SEEKS MORE SUICIDE BOMBINGS" (ARTICLE NOTE: The Eygyptian cleric is identified as Sheikh Muhammad Sayyed Tantawi.) (April 8, 2002)

37 posted on 11/18/2002 4:38:09 PM PST by Cindy
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To: null and void
You cannot commit murder in self defense...

Correct! If I am forced to defend myself, it's not murder.

38 posted on 11/18/2002 5:59:12 PM PST by FormerLib
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To: JohnathanRGalt; *balkans
I did not know you were a Freeper! Western civilization is in your debt.

Please check out this article, including the accumulated news stories posted by various Freepers.

I thought we were alone in our Balkan anti al-Qaeda crusade, thank you so much!

39 posted on 11/18/2002 6:09:26 PM PST by Destro
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To: dennisw
Al Hamza did not lose his hands in the Middle East. As my link @ #1 indicates, the cleric lost his hands while making a bomb in Bosnia, the FBI said.
40 posted on 11/18/2002 6:11:54 PM PST by Destro
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To: JohnathanRGalt; *balkans
I did not know you were a Freeper! Western civilization is in your debt.

Please check out this article, including the accumulated news stories posted by various Freepers: BIN LADEN GATE

I thought we were alone in our Balkan anti al-Qaeda crusade, thank you so much!

41 posted on 11/18/2002 6:13:47 PM PST by Destro
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To: Destro
Thanks for the correction. So the ghoul lost his hands in a different Jihad.
42 posted on 11/18/2002 6:17:21 PM PST by dennisw
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To: Destro
"If a kafir is walking by and you catch him, he's booty. You can sell him in the market. Most of them are spies. And even if they don't do anything, if Muslims cannot take them and sell them in the market, you just kill them. It's OK."

Why hasn't this piece of filth attained room temperature yet...?

43 posted on 11/18/2002 6:19:22 PM PST by freebilly
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To: Destro
Just keep relax and keep repeating....

Islam is a religion of peace.

Islam is a religion of peace.

Islam is a......

44 posted on 11/18/2002 7:30:03 PM PST by JeepInMazar
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To: Destro
BTTT
45 posted on 11/18/2002 9:37:00 PM PST by Dajjal
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To: aristeides
23rd & Union Seattle terrorist mosque-ville bump.
46 posted on 11/18/2002 10:06:38 PM PST by Abar
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To: Destro; knighthawk
I was already in a bad mood, but after reading this I am furious. I like to think I am a nice person, but enough is enough. So, they would kill us and sell us into slavery. At this point I am feeling like I may join the "kill them all!", "Nuke those bastards!!" crowd. This is just too much. It just gets worse and worse. I believe we are here to love others and do good works, but when dealing with a bunch of hate filled, blood-thristy throat slitters, it is very hard to feel any compassion for them at all.
47 posted on 11/18/2002 11:02:26 PM PST by DBtoo
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To: DBtoo
I don't think extermination is necessary, but something akin to the casualties the Germans and Japanese took will be required.
48 posted on 11/18/2002 11:05:59 PM PST by Skywalk
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To: Destro
"If a kafir is walking by and you catch him, he's booty. You can sell him in the market. Most of them are spies. And even if they don't do anything, if Muslims cannot take them and sell them in the market, you just kill them. It's OK."

Sorry for the pic, but:

Do you think his words violate England's hate crimes laws? Or, is MI5 letting him stay free because they like to know where all the crazies are?

49 posted on 11/18/2002 11:20:38 PM PST by BiffSchneider
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To: Destro
bttt
50 posted on 11/18/2002 11:43:59 PM PST by crazykatz
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