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'It's OK to kill non-Muslims': Bosnian-British radical cleric message exposed on Web
The Ottawa Citizen ^ | Monday November 18 2002 | Michael Petrou

Posted on 11/18/2002 11:08:33 AM PST by Destro

Monday » November 18 » 2002

'It's OK to kill non-Muslims': radical cleric

Segments of taped messages have been posted on Web site

Michael Petrou

The Ottawa Citizen

LONDON -- A radical London-based Muslim cleric has been caught on film urging his followers to kill non-Muslims and commit acts of terrorism.

Tapes of Sheik Abu Hamza, a cleric affiliated with London's Finsbury Park mosque, telling an audience that non-believers should be killed or sold into slavery have been smuggled onto the Internet.

The tapes, which appear to have been made for propaganda purposes, were allegedly given by Mr. Hamza to a researcher who posed as a supporter and infiltrated his inner circle.

"If a kafir person (non-believer) goes in a Muslim country, he is like a cow. Anybody can take him. That is the Islamic law," Mr. Hamza says on one tape.

"If a kafir is walking by and you catch him, he's booty. You can sell him in the market. Most of them are spies. And even if they don't do anything, if Muslims cannot take them and sell them in the market, you just kill them. It's OK."

Mr. Hamza also praises the al-Qaeda bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania that killed 224 people.

"If Muslims are having a war against these people, than yes, it is legitimate," he says.

He then praised attacks against ships from non-Muslim countries: "If a ship which loses its way and comes to a Muslim land, they'll take it as booty."

A terrorist attack in 2000 on the USS Cole killed 17 American sailors. The attack has been linked to Muslim militants in Britain, but Mr. Hamza has never been charged.

Despite accusations he recruits for al-Qaeda, Mr. Hamza's only punishment in Britain has been a High Court order banning him from preaching at the Finsbury Park mosque. However, when the Citizen visited the mosque several weeks ago, worshippers had his phone number handy.

"It's all fabrication. He's just taking clips and taking it out of context, as usual," Mr. Hamza said last night when asked about the videos.

He scoffed at suggestions the tapes may lead to his arrest.

He said he can't be accused of inciting people to commit violent acts because he's a cleric who only preaches Muslim law. "I say the reality that's in the Muslim books anyway. Whether I say it or not, it's in the books."

The sheik, who was born in Egypt and grew up in England, then alluded to more violence -- using language similar to that used by Osama bin Laden.

"Just as non-Muslim blood is hot, Muslim blood is hot, too," he said. "It's for them to worry about. When they kill, they will be killed."

Other videos show British Muslims fighting in what appears to be Bosnia, bragging about killing Serbs and carrying out a holy war with other Muslims from all over the world, including Canada.

In one tape, a British medical student, who says his name is Abu Ibrahim, is shown holding a Kalashnikov machine-gun and mocking Muslims whose only contribution to jihad is to donate money to an Islamic charity.

"What we lack are Muslims that are prepared to suffer and sacrifice," he says.

Somewhat bizarrely, Mr. Ibrahim then says fighting a holy war isn't too tough.

"People think that when you come to Bosnia, you sit and there are shells falling around you," he says. "They don't know that we have kebabs. They don't know that we have ice cream and cakes here. ... They don't know that this is a nice holiday for us."

Mr. Ibrahim's speech then becomes gruesome.

"You see the Serbs, the same people that raped our brothers and sisters. You see their dead bodies lying around in the hundreds. You feel that you've achieved something."

Segments of the videos are posted on the Internet at www.johnathangaltfilms.com .


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: balkans; bosnia; campaignfinance; islam; islamicviolence; jihadinamerica; muzziemaggots; sheikabuhamza; talibanlist
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What a brave reporter!

More on the Bosnian-British cleric: Video shows Ujaama with London cleric, talking about jihad At one point, Ujaama turns to Abu Hamza and adjusts the microphone for the cleric, who lost his hands while making a bomb in Bosnia, the FBI said.

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1 posted on 11/18/2002 11:08:33 AM PST by Destro
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To: *balkans
"You see the Serbs, the same people that raped our brothers and sisters. You see their dead bodies lying around in the hundreds. You feel that you've achieved something."
2 posted on 11/18/2002 11:09:36 AM PST by Destro
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To: Destro
If my enemy comes to kill me, am I not justified in killing him first?
3 posted on 11/18/2002 11:10:42 AM PST by Abcdefg
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To: Abcdefg
Not if your a Christian especially a Serb.
4 posted on 11/18/2002 11:14:09 AM PST by Destro
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To: Destro
Religion of PEACE.....
5 posted on 11/18/2002 11:14:36 AM PST by Chuckster
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To: Destro
ROPMA
6 posted on 11/18/2002 11:19:10 AM PST by ChadGore
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To: Destro
AH yes, the religion of peace....

I am sorry, someone please anyone, explain to me that a religion that condones and glorifies death, muder, slavery, the subjugation of women, and contributes to over 90% of the wars on this planet is a religion of peace? And lets not even get into the fact it was founded by a murderous nutball.
7 posted on 11/18/2002 11:23:26 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Destro
Tapes of Sheik Abu Hamza, a cleric affiliated with London's Finsbury Park mosque, telling an audience that non-believers should be killed or sold into slavery have been smuggled onto the Internet.

It's really about time we start hitting back HARD.

8 posted on 11/18/2002 11:25:33 AM PST by Centurion2000
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To: JohnathanRGalt
www.johnathangaltfilms.com

Ping, in case you didn't know this was posted here.

9 posted on 11/18/2002 11:26:32 AM PST by Mitchell
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To: Destro
Bump for followup reading.
10 posted on 11/18/2002 11:29:02 AM PST by F-117A
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To: MadIvan
Our buddy's getting some exposure in the Great White North.
11 posted on 11/18/2002 11:39:34 AM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: Destro
You can't kill me if I kill you first.
12 posted on 11/18/2002 11:57:15 AM PST by Free Vulcan
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To: Destro

Delenda est Islamia


13 posted on 11/18/2002 12:03:40 PM PST by Cacique
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To: dennisw; knighthawk


mega ping
14 posted on 11/18/2002 12:05:24 PM PST by DTA
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To: Destro
Bump
15 posted on 11/18/2002 12:10:46 PM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: Destro
This cleric is great...they should have him speak at Harvard...offer him a Chair maybe.?
How about one of those new 'electric' ones...
16 posted on 11/18/2002 12:34:58 PM PST by joesnuffy
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To: Destro
OH OH ...this is not tolerant...
Better disarm some american veterans asap...
17 posted on 11/18/2002 12:36:09 PM PST by joesnuffy
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To: dennisw; watchin; VOA; harpseal; timestax; xJones; justshutupandtakeit; TopDog2; ThomasMore; ...
Tapes of Sheik Abu Hamza, a cleric affiliated with London's Finsbury Park mosque, telling an audience that non-believers should be killed or sold into slavery have been smuggled onto the Internet.

Islam-list

If people want on or off this list, please let me know.

18 posted on 11/18/2002 1:34:12 PM PST by knighthawk
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To: DTA
Thanks for the ping.
19 posted on 11/18/2002 1:35:26 PM PST by knighthawk
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To: knighthawk
Abu Hamza is the guy James Ujaama swore an oath of loyalty to.
20 posted on 11/18/2002 1:43:21 PM PST by aristeides
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