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New Jersey Assembly Passes Landmark Childproof Handgun Bill <Hold Muh Bullets, Alert!)
Associated Press - breaking on the wire | November 18, 2002

Posted on 11/18/2002 2:34:45 PM PST by NYer

WASHINGTON, Nov. 18 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence united with the Million Mom March hailed today's passage in the New Jersey State Assembly of A. 700, the Childproof Handgun Bill. The measure would require all handguns sold in the state to be designed with safety features to prevent children and unauthorized users from injuring themselves or others. The bill now moves back to the Senate where a similar version of the bill passed overwhelmingly in October. Once the Senate votes for concurrence, the bill will go to Governor McGreevy who has stated that he will sign the bill into law.

``The State Assembly's action today puts New Jersey at the forefront of the gun safety movement `` said Michael D. Barnes, President of the Brady Campaign. ``This bill will have a profound impact on the safety of our children for generations to come. We urge other states and Congress to follow the sensible step New Jersey is taking to protect kids by childproofing handguns.''

The legislation would require all handguns sold in New Jersey to be childproofed within three years of the state Attorney General determining that childproof handguns are available for the consumer market. ``It is time for gun manufacturers change their ways,'' said Carole Stiller, State Council President of the Million Mom March of New Jersey. ``Safety measures on handguns can no longer be an afterthought. Too many lives have been ended by senseless acts that could have been averted with simple safety devices. The Million Mom March thanks the Assembly for today's vote on this common-sense legislation that is long overdue.''

http://www.usnewswire.com


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: guns; kids; politics; safetylocks

1 posted on 11/18/2002 2:34:45 PM PST by NYer
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To: NYer
Anyone know if this bill exempts police from these 'safety' features?
2 posted on 11/18/2002 2:36:46 PM PST by Frohickey
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To: Frohickey
Anyone know if this bill exempts police from these 'safety' features?

With luck, the state police will be allowed to keep their night sticks. (/sarcasm)

3 posted on 11/18/2002 2:38:43 PM PST by NYer
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To: NYer
What we niiiiiiiid?br?
ar safir guuuuuuuuns?br?
an safir bullets.?br?
Jocelyn Elders?p?

4 posted on 11/18/2002 2:45:16 PM PST by battlecry
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To: NYer
The legislation would require all handguns sold in New Jersey to be childproofed within three years of the state Attorney General determining that childproof handguns are available for the consumer market.

Well, since that may never happen, it may not be that big of a deal.

5 posted on 11/18/2002 2:48:20 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: NYer
This is completely unconstitutional. And unworkable.
6 posted on 11/18/2002 2:50:32 PM PST by 45Auto
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To: NYer
Congratulations, New Jersey! Now you will save approximately 1 child's life and kill several hundred adults!

"If we could just save one life, it'd all be worth it..."
7 posted on 11/18/2002 2:54:45 PM PST by GulliverSwift
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To: Frohickey
Anyone know if this bill exempts police from these 'safety' features?

I recall this question coming up earlier and the answer was law-enforcement is excluded.

If NJ proceeds with this, in effect there will be no gun dealers in the state. I do not see major firearms manufacturers producing weapons that meet this requirement. Just my opinion.

8 posted on 11/18/2002 2:59:30 PM PST by toddst
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To: NYer
Question for the Million Moron Moms: How can this legislation be "long overdue" if the technology needed to implement it doesn't exist yet?
9 posted on 11/18/2002 3:03:10 PM PST by LibertyGirl77
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To: toddst
I agree. NJ gun dealers need to move or find a new line of work because no manufacturer is going to accomadate this nonsense. When will it end?
10 posted on 11/18/2002 3:03:29 PM PST by Movemout
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To: Movemout
accomadate=accomodate
11 posted on 11/18/2002 3:04:20 PM PST by Movemout
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To: toddst
This is how it will work. Come up with a 90 percent accurate safety system and make it the standard system, thus outlawing all other handguns. This makes only one or two model handguns for NJ residents. The manufacturer for the system thinks they will make a killing being the only handgun types in NJ. Then comes the betrayal. The first time the gun safety fails, the leftist lawyers will sue and win. Thus wiping out the last remaining handgun model made available by this act. Then the NJ state government will repeat the same scheme for long guns.
12 posted on 11/18/2002 3:06:57 PM PST by Fee
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To: 45Auto
Agreed. But on the bright side, all the criminals will go there.
13 posted on 11/18/2002 3:06:59 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Tijeras_Slim
This is absurb; suppose a child is home alone, and a robber breaks in. I'd rather the child be able to pull the trigger.

Bottom line: If a kid commits a crime with a firearm, then he or she should be put in bars forever, like anyone else.

This is pure New Jersey absurdity.
14 posted on 11/18/2002 3:13:15 PM PST by republicanwizard
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To: republicanwizard
When I retire from Zoo Jersey , first stop --Florida!!--Weapons easier to purchase and I can be sure my conservative vote WILL count for something ..( with residency change of course )
15 posted on 11/18/2002 3:17:30 PM PST by Renegade
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To: Renegade
Are you being sarcastic?
16 posted on 11/18/2002 3:19:13 PM PST by republicanwizard
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To: toddst
I recall this question coming up earlier and the answer was law-enforcement is excluded.

Too bad that any of the pols in Jersey are too gutless to make this law apply to not just cops, but especially the cops and other armed gaurds that protect the Governor, legislators and ESPECIALLY the one's protecting Sarah Brady, her crippled husband who she has shamelessly exploited, and every other employee of the anti-gun corporations...but gun control is all about being gutless, so that will never happen.

17 posted on 11/18/2002 3:23:00 PM PST by Orangedog
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To: Orangedog
This so-called "smart gun" technology is the gun-grabbers wet-dream - mandate a technology that doesn't exist, will never exist, and will never be 100% reliable. The problem is, even the tyrants in the New Jersey government know its just so much BS, that's why they said that this law won't become effective until three years after such technology becomes failsafe. Sarah Brady will be shoveling coal in Hades a long time before this actually has any meaning. Good riddance.
18 posted on 11/18/2002 3:29:08 PM PST by 45Auto
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To: 45Auto
Sarah Brady will be shoveling coal in Hades a long time before this actually has any meaning. Good riddance.

And if someone ever dispatches that old shrew to that very hot corner of Hell, I hope and pray that they use a baseball bat to do it. If so, I will personally start an organization called Ball-Bat Control Incorperated, and I won't rest until each and every ball-bat is registered and locked away out of the hands of children. Of course I'll greatly increase my standard of living by exploiting her tragic demise...but that will be okay because, of course, IT'S FOR THE CHILDREN!

19 posted on 11/18/2002 3:37:51 PM PST by Orangedog
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To: NYer
Now, if the gun companies want to do the right thing, they will just quit selling guns of any nature (and ammo to!) in any size/shape/form to anyone, including law enforcement, in New Jersey. This is absolutely rediculous.... I guess the Ultra-Freak liberals are getting their way yet again......
20 posted on 11/18/2002 4:04:27 PM PST by TheBattman
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To: NYer
" The measure would require all handguns sold in the state to be designed with safety features to prevent children and unauthorized users from injuring themselves or others."


Rule #1. Don't look in the hole in the barrel.
Rule #2. Don't point the hole at anyone else.
21 posted on 11/18/2002 4:24:44 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: NYer
Don't laugh about the night sticks, I work with a guy who is a liberal Koolade drinker, he went to Holland on vacation and thinks that it is really neat that thepolice in Holand do not have guns.
22 posted on 11/18/2002 4:34:00 PM PST by Czar Nicholas
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To: NYer
I originally post this at another venue on May 28, 2000:

[Continuing my irregular series of lessons based upon the Torah portion of the week, read by Jews around the World.]

My observations are prompted by a Gun-Grabbing-Guest invited to address our congregation this past Friday evening. His name is Brian Miller and he presents himself as chairman (or some other exaltitive title) of a relatively obscure group named "Ceasefire NJ."

Mr. Miller will be happy to know that his obscene presentation has moved me to finally join Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (www.jpfo.org). I will discuss Miller's presentation in due course, but first I want to say something about the Torah reading.

This week's portion comes from the end of the book of Leviticus. Sometimes the beginning of the portion (from 26:3) is referred to as "Blessings and Curses." It starts:

If you walk in my statutes, and keep my commandments, and do them; Then I will give you rain in due season, and the land shall yield her produce, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit. And your threshing shall last to the time of vintage, and the vintage shall last to the sowing time; and you shall eat your bread to the full, and dwell in your land safely. And I will give peace in the land, ...
Nice. All sweetness and light. These are the "blessings." But they are followed by an escalating series of curses:
But if you will not listen to me, and will not do all these commandments; And if you shall despise my statutes, or if your soul loathes my judgments, so that you will not do all my commandments, but that you break my covenant; I also will do this to you; I will appoint over you terror, consumption, and fever, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart; and you shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it. And I will set my face against you, and you shall be slain before your enemies; they who hate you shall reign over you; and you shall flee when none pursues you.
That's just from the first set of curses. There are three more sets to be applied if the people do not harken to G-d's Law. All together, there are 30 curses and only 13 blessings.

Most of the people in my "Reform" congregation are oblivious to all this. They don't know whether the portion of the week is about Adam and Eve, or about Blessings and Curses; or even that there are Blessings and Curses in the Torah. (twice, in fact - There is another set in Deuteronomy.)

Because we had a guest speaker, my Rabbi did not offer a sermon but he did find time to read all 13 blessings aloud to the congregation. He read none of the curses.

Mr. Ceasefire-NJ was introduced as someone whose brother was an FBI agent killed by a gunman who shot three agents in a Washington office in the mid-90's. This changed his life. He gave up his previous work, and started Ceasefire-NJ, and mirable dictu was nominated by the "board of directors" to be its chairman.

Mr. Ceasefire-NJ started out with a homey anecdote about his gun-owning, NRA member, friend from Brooklyn. Mr. Ceasefire didn't quite sneer when he mentioned the NRA, but his disrespect for the organization was clear. Back in the 70's his friend saw an ad in a gun magazine for some "rings" that would enable only the ring-wearer to fire his gun. So the friend ordered the rings, which "weren't perfect," but they worked. Child-proofing technology was more than 20 years old. Back then a computer took a whole room, and now just a small spot on a desk; and similarly child-proofing has advanced to where the gun can know its owner from the owner's finger prints.

The only problem is that the vicious Gun Manufacturers don't want to put this "proven" technology in their products because miserable NRA members don't want them. There was a sneer this time, and there were lots more sneers to follow. Selfish gun owners don't want locks. (Funny then that someone would advertise the magic "rings" in a gun magazine; and who buys all those gun-safes anyway?)

What is this ? =I= am the NRA. This guy is a guest in my congregation insulting =me=.

Along the way we heard how many little children had died from gun "accidents" and how they would have been saved by fingerprint-sensing-child-proof guns. (about ten a year after one did the necessary division) Of course fingerprint- sensing-child-proofing would have done nothing to save Ceasefire's brother. His poorly veiled message was that we need to confiscate everyones guns. They did it in Australia. People like David Koresh should never have access to guns. Children's lives will be saved.

But like my Rabbi, Mr. Ceasefire only told the fairy-tale part of the story. If this fingerprint lock technology is so good, why don't the car manufacturers use it? I thought about a place I worked that had a palm reader that recognized who I was and sometimes let me into the inner-sanctum when it did. Sometimes it didn't though, and sometimes it didn't let others in either. Eventually the management just left the door open. I thought about the electronic lock on front door of our synagogue which recognizes magnetic keys (sometimes). My Rabbi probably hadn't told Mr. Ceasefire about the time a few years ago when we had to break a basement window to gain entry so that the Saturday morning service could begin at its scheduled time.

Mr. Ceasefire implied that everything was sweetness and light in Australia now that the honest citizens turned in their guns. There wasn't time to tell the unwashed in the congregation about the significant increases in crime there since the ban went into effect.

There wasn't time to ask why the Bill in the NJ Assembly he was urging everyone to support would EXEMPT Police and ALL FEDERAL EMPLOYEES from having to buy the magic fingerprint recognizing guns. Maybe Mr. Ceasefire just doesn't care about their kids.

There wasn't time to ask whether Israel, untainted by the NRA, was mandating childproof guns.

Just the blessings.

ML/NJ

23 posted on 11/18/2002 5:38:27 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: Renegade
And, you won't pay any state income tax! Come on down!
24 posted on 11/18/2002 5:44:11 PM PST by jslade
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To: jslade
No tax as of today. BUT, how is the state going to fund the 12 billion they say is needed to get the class size down to a minimum of 25/class.
Also, don't forget the poor pregnant pigs. Probably have to build nursing centers for the sows so they are not streesed during gestation .
25 posted on 11/18/2002 6:22:30 PM PST by Renegade
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To: republicanwizard
No!! I am dead serious .This is the only state ( ZooJersey) I know,that elects fossils with no platform . I am surrounded by idiots.. Beam me down .
I mentioned in previous posts that you even need a permit in this police state to buy a BB gun ..
26 posted on 11/18/2002 6:52:54 PM PST by Renegade
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To: NYer
IMHO, the gun industry will just pull out of New Jersey. Just like the auto industry will eventually pull out of Kalifornia over that state's mandates for zero-pollution cars. Companies are in business to make money - and they can't by selling products nobody wants, be they electric cars in Kalifornia or useless guns in New Jersey; this is even more so in New Jersey - as the gun industry would have to compete with a glut of its own much-more-desirable product selling used in excellent condition at very attractive prices.

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27 posted on 11/18/2002 7:00:32 PM PST by glc1173@aol.com
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