TARGET: Tom Tancredo (Warned "never to darken the door of the White House again.")

Roll Call ^ | November 18, 2002 | Josh Kurtz

[Magnum44]

forgive me if I withhold opinion until I see some action-taking place

Absolutely. And if my faith has been misplaced and I am wrong about the direction I think GW will steer us, then I will be confessing my sins at that time. But I am realistic about how long it willl take to reverse the past 30 years worth of policies wrt immigration. It won't happen overnight.

[FITZ]

Well, as for corruption, I never ventured too far inland into Mexico and when I lived on the border, tourists were pretty safe as they realized tourism is what kept them going.

Not too long ago, I think Mexico was a safer country than the US except for a couple of states. Cities like Ciudad Juarez were relatively safe but Mexico has become the major drug dealing country in the world and so much migration to the US has also left it very unstable and getting worse. Massive migration isn't healthy --not for us and not for them, it's leaving them without the same people that could make it a middle class country, anyone with goals to be middle class is fleeing in such high numbers and you can go to the little villages and see what is left behind and know it's not helpful.

[Reagan Man]

When I said Luis Gonzalez is a bull fighting, shitkicker, I meant is does very well in the area of defending his opinion, while pointing out the shortcomings of those people he disagrees with. It was a compliment and had no derogatory implications. So don't twist my words to reach conclusions I may not agree with. Thank you.

[ZULU]

See my post on Powell, the Bush Administration and Muslim "visitors" from http://www.arabianews.com.

I am glad I voted for Alan Keyes in the primary. Given the chice between the DemonRATS and Bush, it was a no-brainer, but I'm beginning to worry about George's supposed compassionate conservatism. So far, I haven't seen any comapssion for native-born or legally naturalized citizens by his administration. They spend too much time sucking up to the Muslim nuts in the Middle Eastern Oil Shiekdoms and that scumbag Senior Vincente Fox.

The scary thing is the DemonRATs would be much worse.

REMEMBER THE ALAMO!!!

[rightwing2]

Amen! As a conservative independent voter who is happy to have Pres. Bush at the helm, I must say that there are currently two very strong issues with which I disagree with the White House: Tancredo /borders /immigration is the first, the second are the slaps delivered to conservative Christians about Muslims...Another conservative with character and some comprehension of "borders/language/culture" could cause some upsets at the polls. Don't you agree?

I too am a strong supporter of President Bush overall. However, I agree with you that he is wrong in opposing principled conservatives like Tancredo for his principled conservative views on immigration and Christian conservatives for their views in opposing Islamicist terrorists. I agree that Bush and the GOP’s support for the liberal multiculturalist, amnesty, open-borders immigration agenda could depress their conservative base vote in 2004 and result in the President’s defeat and the loss of both houses of Congress. The President’s efforts to pander to minorities with these kinds of liberal policy initiatives failed miserably during the 2002 Election. Despite announcing his appointments of two capable but controversial African Americans to his future Cabinet, he only got 9% of the black vote in 2000, which is a record low for a Republican Presidential candidate. Thankfully, however, his parallel efforts to turn out the GOP conservative base was successful this time. Elections are won or lost depending on base turnout. Much of the GOP base didn’t turnout in 1996 and 1998, which is why we lost those elections.

[Kerberos]

"And if my faith has been misplaced and I am wrong about the direction I think GW will steer us, "

And I sincerely hope your faith has not been misplaced. Of course looking at the bigger picture I am much more thrilled about GWB being at the helm than if Gore had of won the election. It Gore was at the helm, I think I would have already left the country by now.

And that to a certain degree is part of the point of my criticism. Although we all like to criticize politicians, and I like doing it as well as the next guy, I still think it is a healthy activity to be engaged in. At the minimum it indicates a certain level of awareness. Because we as citizens have to accept that we also have a certain amount of reasonability for the position we are in and I would dare say that most of that responsibility lies in our not paying attention and not being active in the process.

Trust, but verify.

"But I am realistic about how long it will take to reverse the past 30 years worth of policies wrt immigration. It won't happen overnight. "

No it won't. I am pretty set in my opinion that we have a long hard struggle in front of us.

[archy]

Same to you buddy! LOL I haven't bben cussed at in Vietnanmese before. Or was it Vietnamese?

Nope, it's been too long and I always got the tones wrong anyway, sometimes causing tears of laughture at my butchery of that language's pretty sounds. That's Klingon in which you wuz verbally assaulted by me. Approximately:

Don't be silly, we're Klingons, that's great news! [In response to the suggestion that Spanish could become the official language. To Klingons, Mes'kin hordes taste just like chicken...]

[sound clip is Klingon for *where is the latrine*]

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[rightwing2]

I don't know about you, but the last I checked, Sununu was just as conservative as Smith in the ACU ratings. And I bet whoever primaries Tancredo out will turn out very close in the ACU ratings as well. The write-in effort for Smith fizzed. Why should we care about you and your purist conservatives anyhow? You couldn't take out Sununu in New Hampshire. The term paper tiger comes to mind. You're no longer worth my time - and I'm darn glad to see Bob Smith is now an EX-Senator. We don't need people who take money from animal rights wackos there - particularly when the animal rights wacko he took money from also moved $100,000 in funds to terrorists convicted of firebombing scientific labs in the name of "animal liberation."

Conservative hero Tom Tancredo was ranked among the top four conservatives in the House by the authoritative conservative New American magazine with a Conservative Index of 85% for his voting record during the 108th Congress whereas mushy moderate CINO Rep. Johnny Sununu only managed a 50% Conservative rating in the same index. Sununu took thousands of dollars in campaign contributions from a Islamicist group that supported the 9-11 terrorists and killed over 3000 innocent American civilians. Funny that didn’t offend you…Sununu voted to give classified information to suspected terrorists which would put the lives of our intelligence agents at serious risk. He also supports giving constitutional rights to suspected terrorists and non-citizens and amnestying millions of illegal aliens. Sununu supports the creation of a terror-supporting Palestinian state and has voted in opposition to Israel, prompting pro-Israel groups to come out against him during the campaign.

Senator Smith, on the other hand opposing Sununu on all his extreme anti-America, anti-Israel positions and was ranked as the #2 Conservative in the Senate tying for that honor with Sen. Jesse Helms. So basically what you did is knocked out the Jesse Helms of New Hampshire and replaced him with someone who in addition to being pro-terrorist only supports the conservative position on the issues 50% of the time! Elected Congressman with conservative ratings as high as Bob Smith and Tom Tancredo are extremely rare so everytime the leftwing of the GOP tries to bump them up, it does great damage to the conservative cause and decimates the elected conservative leadership in Congress. I must say that I have really been bothered by your opposition to principled conservative Republican Congressman and Senators. I urge you and those who support your efforts to immediately cease your efforts to attack and defeat conservatives running for Congress. If you had it your way, the Republican Party will never return to being a conservative party and will remain a centrist, multiculturalist party which increasingly begins to resemble the RAT party both in terms of its positions on the issues and in terms of its furtherance of an increasingly liberal policy agenda.

[FFIGHTER]

Good Conservatives live up to their word. He is a two-faced liar. Apparently term limits apply to everyone else, except this demi-god.

[hchutch]

And if I don't? What are you going to do, hold your breath until you turn blue in the face?

LOL!

[archy]

Why should we care about you and your purist conservatives anyhow? You couldn't take out Sununu in New Hampshire. The term paper tiger comes to mind.

Like the paper tiger that ate George Bush's reelection hopes in the 1992 election after Saddam thwarted him of total victory and one vote in five went to Ross Perot in the election a year later?

Like the *Bull Moose* candidacy of Theodore Roosevelt running as a Progressiveist in the 1912 election, resulting in Republican Party candidate Taft coming in third place [and in some states, behind the Prohibition and Socialist candidates, as well?]

Sometimes, those *paper tigers* eat Republican reelection hopes, and spit out the chewed-over bones. That what you want in 1994?

You happen to have noticed what happened to those Republicans who didn't follow through on their *Contract with America* promises?

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[TigersEye]

The most tragic aspect of this Bush Presidency is the opportunity that has been missed. There can be no question that before, and certainly after 9-11, the American people would have given overwhelming support to any President, Democrat or Republican, who would have ordered the emergency closure of all American borders.

At least 80% of Americans would have cheered a Presidential order declaring a moratorium on all immigration as a national security and defense emergency. (Most of the other 20% are illegals who aren't really Americans anyway.)

That's a bullseye. No doubt about it, had Pres. Bush slammed an iron gate shut on the borders on 9/12/01 his popularity rating would probably be even higher. If he had demanded a huge emergency budget to immediately increase personnel on the border by 10-1 it would have happened and Americans would be happy with it. With a heavy and strict screening process commerce could still proceed across the borders. In fact commerce could and should be given priority with trucks thoroughly and expeditiously examined and the inconvenience to cross border workers and American tourists just the tough luck of the times.

George Walker Bush will be remembered as the stubborn mediocrity who did not have sufficient intelligence to lead our people during the most critical eight years of the largest land invasion of one race by another in the history of the world.

No one will ever call me a Bushbot but GW Bush is not stupid. He is as sharp as a tack. He knows exactly what he is doing and he is getting almost exactly what he wants. In some instances it is exactly what I want. In this one it is exactly what I don't want. People can decide for themselves what his motive is for leaving all the doors and windows open.

I don't know what you have in mind when you say "the largest land invasion of one race by another" but whatever your reason for choosing the word 'race' it's wrong. The American people are not a race and neither are the Mexican people. Both populations are made up of diverse races and ethnicities. Change your statement to this...

"...the most critical eight years of the largest land invasion of one race culture by another in the history of the world."

...and you will be closer to the mark. This is not a PC thing. Anyone who has read enough of my remarks knows I am anything but PC. I abhor Political Correctness. It is nothing but a tool of tyranny and if you could show me the source of PC in the form of one person I would rip him limb from limb.

It isn't really culture either but that is a part of it. I like Mexico, Mexicans and many aspects of its culture. And there are aspects I don't like. The fact is that there are multiple cultures in Mexico just as there are here.

That's not really the problem. The problem, for the most part, is economic destruction through labor dilution, welfare drain, strain on LE resources and strain on judicial and incarceration resources. Also education resources. It is the poorest and least educated, by and large, that emigrate here to work. With that slice of the lowest economic wrung of Mexican society comes a disproportionate number of criminals. They are not representative of Mexican society on the whole.

They are also raised in a socialist state so they don't really appreciate the reasons our Republic fosters freedom they just like the idea of being free. On the other hand they are probably not as brainwashed with socialism/communism as American school kids are.

So, lose the word race (forget the word culture as well) and realize that what is at risk is our society being fractionalized and drained of wealth by the lost and abandoned segment of Mexican society as a result of the failure of Mexican government. And not to be a part of the Blame America First crowd but we are only victims of this by volunteering to be.

[justshe]

"...authoritative conservative New American magazine with a Conservative Index of 85% for his voting record..."

hchutch, read this as the voice of the John Birch society.

Sununu actually had a higher lifetime ACU rating than the (dis)honorable Senator Smith. Sununu: 94 Smith: 92 HERE

Rightwing2......do you have a day off? Or are you posting on your work time yet again at the DoD...wasting my tax dollars? You have a strange sense of morality (for a self-professed conservative) that allows you to cheat your employer AND the taxpayers by posting on the internet during work hours. Is cheating allowed by YOUR brand of conservatism?

[Reaganwuzthebest]

The huge number is a big part of the problem - but the number is so huge - it needs more than slowing - it needs to go in reverse for about 10 years.

The figures I've seen are nearly 40 million people have immigrated here since the infamous 1965 "Immigration Act". But that's only what they know. Since no reliable figures exist on illegal immigration it's no doubt a lot more than that.

Besides sealing off the borders and deporting all illegal aliens, a timeout from legal immigration for at least five years seems reasonable in order to give the country a little breathing room to absorb all this.

[nanny]

[Besides sealing off the borders and deporting all illegal aliens, a timeout from legal immigration for at least five years seems reasonable in order to give the country a little breathing room to absorb all this.]

Exactly - except I would add we need some good old fashioned housecleaning.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"If, in fact, 1.2 were caught - that would mean several million made it across and of that 1.2 million - probably 3/4 of them came back and were successful."

You keep using the term "open borders", and are highly critical of the present administration for not enforcing the laws.

I post a verifyable statistic proving that we do not have open borders, and that over one million people were detained just last year while attempting to cross over. Your counter-point to my argument is completely unsubstantiated, and based on emotions rather than facts.

You can call it an open border all you want, but the reality is that it isn't.

If it was an "open border" 1.2 million people would have never been caught.

I asked an immmigration official in FR sometime ago how they came up with the number of illegals successfully enetring the country yearly, he admitted that it was an estimate, and that there was very little substantiation to provide.

Now, you question the 1.2 million for no reason other than you don't WANT to believe that figure, and then turn around and throw up "several millions" (in a year!) getting through with nothing to substantiate that ridiculous propaganda.

Oh, I know the truth, you just may not like my version of it.

[RLK]

THANK YOU VERY MUCH

You are onto it.

[janetgreen]

George Walker Bush will be remembered as the stubborn mediocrity who did not have sufficient intelligence to lead our people during the most critical eight years of the largest land invasion of one race by another in the history of the world.

I agree. History will not be particularly kind to GWB because of this one issue alone.

[deport]

The boy can't hep it...... don'tcha see because the excuse is.......

SHEESH..... Everybody here does it!!!!!

That makes it a-ok.

[nanny]

[You keep using the term "open borders", and are highly critical of the present administration for not enforcing the laws. I post a verifyable statistic proving that we do not have open borders, and that over one million people were detained just last year while attempting to cross over. Your counter-point to my argument is completely unsubstantiated, and based on emotions rather than facts. You can call it an open border all you want, but the reality is that it isn't. If it was an "open border" 1.2 million people would have never been caught]

OK - Luis, I will rephrase it - we do not have an open border we have a border that resembles a sieve - does that sound better.

Now the only statistic I need, is the huge number of people who are here illegally. They are here, Luis, they are here. They had to get here some way. To say we do not have an open border is laughable in the face of the proof of their existence - they are here.

Now I am sure somewhere, someone, has published statistics saying they are not really here -