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No Longer Everest-Westerners Urged to Recognize Original Name of World's Highest Peak
Xinhuanet News Service ^ | Staff Writers

Posted on 11/19/2002 11:52:23 AM PST by ewing

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To: ewing
So is it Donau or Danube? Scotland or Ecosse? Eire or Ireland? How many languages on Earth? Each one of them usually has a totally different name for different places or features. Who are we going to be preferential to and who not? Why tell people they can't use words from their own language to describe something? I think the overwhelming consideration is does the person I am addressing understand what I'm talking about? I didn't know what the f--- people were talking about when I started hearing the word Denali thrown about.

Eskimos have dozens of words for snow. Shouldn't we use all of them instead of our less respectful Germanic word when we're in Alaska?

If we use the prefix aqua instead of hydro aren't we discriminating against Greek people? Shouldn't we stick to our Germanic 'water'? Africans are what the Romans named the people living there. When we call people Africans or African Americans we are disrespecting them by this convoluted logic.

Some foreign words are extremely hard to pronounce if you didn't grow up speaking the tongue- note the French problem with the letter "H", the Japanese have trouble with some letters in English. It would be awfully pompous of me to insist that the Japanese use an American term for something when they are speaking in their own language- particularly if the word has a phoneme that doesn't even exist in their own language.

Other cultures have their ways of naming things- Western culture has its ways. In English we tend to name mountains in honor of a person instead of stringing together syllables which describe a physical attribute. In other words- every mountain is a mountain but it will be accompanied by the person honored. This isn't an across the board rule and people shouldn't get worked up about it. Forests and Rivers we tend to use native names or descriptive names as well as Person Honoring names. We're not sitting there thinking- "How can we best sh!t on the native culture while elevating our own- I know! Let's call it Mt McKinley!"

This is silly to the absurd. I'm pretty sure I've read that Everest has many different names depending upon which people you're talking to. The Chinese call it what they will. The Indians call it what they do, as do the Sherpas. We call it Everest.

What I do disagree with is giving Hillary sole credit for being the first man to summit this mountain. By his own account he and Sherpa Tenzing Norgay summited side by side. Who was the first man to summit? Two men summited together. Who was the first Westerner? Hillary. Imagine if a Sherpa had accompanied Armstrong to the moon, got out of the capsule, set up cameras and what not and then Neil jumps out and says "One small step for..." Tenzing Norgay and Sir Edmond Hillary both did what nobody had ever done before- Sherpa or Westerner. They helped each other, relied on each other, probably would not have made it without each other. By their own words they summited together. They should get equal credit.

41 posted on 11/19/2002 2:53:26 PM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: southernnorthcarolina
or is that point precisely on the border?

Yes....when you stand on the summit, you are on the dividing line.

If you come from the more common Southern Route pioneered by Hillary and Tenzing (jokingly called the Yak Route because it's "easiest") you start in Nepal.

If you follow George Mallory and the early British expeditions from the north, you start in Tibet.

42 posted on 11/19/2002 2:59:50 PM PST by eddie willers
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To: Prodigal Son
What I do disagree with is giving Hillary sole credit for being the first man to summit this mountain. By his own account he and Sherpa Tenzing Norgay summited side by side. Who was the first man to summit?

Of course they agreed to never tell....
But since it's Tenzing with his ice axe held high in the famous picture taken by someone...we may well guess. :-)

43 posted on 11/19/2002 3:03:46 PM PST by eddie willers
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To: ewing
In the Tibetan language, Qomolangma represents the mother goddess of the earth.

Sounds more like what my grandmother used to say after she sat down on the outhouse seat an hour after I last used it.

44 posted on 11/19/2002 3:07:25 PM PST by Old Professer
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To: eddie willers
Of course they agreed to never tell....

I had forgotten about that. Thanks for reminding me. Seriously ;-)

45 posted on 11/19/2002 3:08:19 PM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: ewing
I suggest we sell the name to the Highest Bidder...

Al-Jezeera presents Mt. Qomolangma in Zenith Digital Stereo, uninterrupted and commercial free by Ford Outfitters
46 posted on 11/19/2002 3:10:54 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: Prodigal Son
The picture.


47 posted on 11/19/2002 3:26:26 PM PST by eddie willers
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To: Verginius Rufus
Last week Jay Leno had a bunch of Jaywalking finalists on his show. When he asked what was the highest point on earth, one contestant suggested "Mars." When Jay indicated that wasn't right, she changed her guess to "Pluto."

Did they finally give away the gag and announce she was Sheila Jackson Lee?

48 posted on 11/19/2002 3:32:49 PM PST by Erasmus
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To: Alberta's Child
Canada's Mount Logan may be the most massive mountain in the world. It's peak is only 19,550 feet above sea level, but the mountain covers an enormous area -- in fact, there is no real "peak" in a true sense ...

You are confusing Logan's Run with Logan's Peak...a mistake often made by Canadians who are...

trying to displace Hollywood with Vancouver!

49 posted on 11/19/2002 3:38:37 PM PST by harrowup
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To: ewing
What the Chinese forgot to mention is that the Homo erectus protohumans who inhabited the area, until Homo sapiens viciously exterminated them, called the mountain:
Ug-gurp-grrrrr-ach-(throat clearing sound)-nggggggggggh.
50 posted on 11/19/2002 3:46:11 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: hosepipe
Mt.Kinley goes all the way from sea level to just a few feet less than Everest...and is a far larger mountain besides...Mt.Kinley(Denali) is in Alaska..

Mt. McKinnley is 20,320' above sea level. Everest is almost 9000' higher. That said, besides spelling and addition errors, if you want to get finnicky, the mountain in Hawaii is the highest, rising up from the seabed.

That said, Denali (Mt McKinnley) is the harder of those to climb. Because Denali is in the Arctic Circle, the weather is always terrible. I know....I've attempted Denali thrice and failed thrice. Perhaps next Spring...

51 posted on 11/19/2002 3:51:48 PM PST by BullDog108
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To: tuckrdout
Why not? I still think we should call the planet Uranus "George". And I doubt I'm alone on that.
52 posted on 11/19/2002 3:52:57 PM PST by stands2reason
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To: TopQuark
in an article on another topic, the claim that Tibet belongs to Chine is just "dropped in" for a succonsciense to consume.

Heh?

53 posted on 11/19/2002 3:54:25 PM PST by stands2reason
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To: stands2reason
I am very sorry for the numerous typos.

The point I was making was that, for the purpose of the present article, it sufficed to name the border as that between Tibet and Nepal. The author insist's on a clarification, however, that it is China's Tibet. It is only so because they annexed it by force and continue to suppress it.

This is an example of what Stalin's and Mao's propaganda machines did best: indoctrinating one with such "innocuous" qualifications. Having seen Tibet invariabley referred to as "China's Tibet," one grows accustomed to this thought.

Much the same think is with the "Russian province" of CHechnya. I am not a Muslim-terrorist sympathizer, but the only reason we are accustomed to this is because it was always referred to as Russian province. The CHechens, and respectively Tibetans, never accepted these as truths.

54 posted on 11/19/2002 4:05:17 PM PST by TopQuark
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To: eddie willers
BTW abner, have you seen the Toyota commercials? They actually got a car into the Rongbuk Valley to get some great shots of the Northern face.

Yes, I did. I was thinking that must be some truck being able to drive up there with no oxygen. LOL!

Thanks for the much better information about the naming of Everest.

55 posted on 11/19/2002 4:34:42 PM PST by abner
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To: eddie willers
Did I tell you? I got a credit in Eric & Jochem's new book.

Shocked me. It showed up on my doorstep one day, autographed and everything.

56 posted on 11/19/2002 4:36:42 PM PST by abner
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To: BullDog108
But Everest is on a 9,000 ft plateau, right?
57 posted on 11/19/2002 4:51:47 PM PST by ewing
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To: ewing
Give or take a few hundred feet. ;^)
58 posted on 11/19/2002 4:59:03 PM PST by BullDog108
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To: abner
Yes, I did. I was thinking that must be some truck being able to drive up there with no oxygen. LOL!

I tried to drive up Pike's Peak without changing the carburetor setting from 'Atlanta' to 'Way Up There'.....
Got to within about 800 ft. when the darn thing conked out.
Had to roll it backward... downhill... on a curvy road... with no power steering.
I felt like I had been turned back at the "Hillary Step" LOL!

Did I tell you? I got a credit in Eric & Jochem's new book.

I will have to get that.
Thanks!

59 posted on 11/19/2002 6:52:29 PM PST by eddie willers
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To: eddie willers
I'm no good at 5,000 feet. 5,000 feet gave me an altitude headache that I thought would kill me. And sick to my stomach too. I never want that again. I am definitely a flatlander. Heck, I've been living in the hills of Pennsylvania for 10 years now, and my ears still pop on hills.

Had to roll it backward... downhill... on a curvy road... with no power steering. I felt like I had been turned back at the "Hillary Step" LOL!

Sounds terrifying!

60 posted on 11/19/2002 7:05:31 PM PST by abner
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