Posted on 11/20/2002 7:20:17 AM PST by SJackson
Not long enough to make the bet...
Many FReepers speak disparagingly of Islam. There are over a BILLION of them. Many are willing to die for their faith. All sorts of people get used. Although I respect their commitment, I think you would agree that they have been misled (if you understood the origins of Islam, you would have compassion for the people who take the Koran literally). So it would seem that neither massive numbers nor martyrdom make for an objective reading of scripture, not even in your book. To make such an argument to me as if it were convincing, therefore, isn't.
THe RUSSIAN ORTHODOX CHRISTIANS and the millions of other Orthodox Christians, who died at the hands of the Turks and other islamics, were JUST AS CHRISTIAN AS YOU....and they had icons as reminders of their Faith in God....not as graven idols!!
I think you had better examine that idea a little more closely. I seriously doubt the the most unsophisticated animist practicing voo-doo believes that the spirits reside in their figurines. They are reminders, channeling devices, and symbols too. "Graven" means constructed by artifice. "Image" means graphic symbol, not the thing itself. Those are facts, and neither custom nor plurality can change them. There is a reason for that Law and I doubt that you saw it in my first post, blinded by your affrontery for having your adherence to custom having been supposedly disparaged. It was that which I was saying is one of the costs of the practice.
You do them a vast disservice by inferring that their FAITH is less, somehow than yours. Shame on you.
I never said that. You are projecting in order to have something to attack. I said that it diminishes their spiritual power and puts them in a blind rage (see above). That says nothing of my faith, which to me is a matter between me and the Father. It was an observation, not a comparison, that I don't pretend to make.
Who are you to say that? Just because these Christians WORSHIPPED JESUS CHRIST in a way that YOU do not approve of... you infer that they were less CHRISTIAN.
Me? What does that matter? MY approval hardly matters. I think that judgment is up to the Lord. I said that I thought the Salvation Army had it about right, yet I am not one of them. So you see, I made no pretense. It was an observation, not posturing. For that you had best commune with Mr. MarMema.
Your comments comparing Orthodox Christians to NON-CHRISTIAN muslims and animists proves it. SHAME ON YOU!!
"Mr." Marmema is a lady....and an Orthodox Christian.
Oh, yes God the Father will be the judge of YOUR actions and comments on the sacrifices of his followers and NOT, you.
Please refrain yourself from ever posting to me again. I do not like you or your weird ideas.
Just because a Christian happens to have an Icon or a rosary or a fancy church building or a cross...does NOT make him any less of a Christian than...let's say...carrie okie.
Saint Paul taught in synagogues...he taught Jews about Jesus Christ there. And he was put in jail for it too.
Do you propose that Christ ignored the torah?
DEU 12:11 Then there shall be a place which the LORD your God shall choose to cause his name to dwell there; thither shall ye bring all that I command you; your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, your tithes, and the heave offering of your hand, and all your choice vows which ye vow unto the LORD:There is a difference between a synagogue and a temple. As I recall, Christ went to synagogue to teach and talk with the elders; i.e., an assembly.DEU 12:13 Take heed to thyself that thou offer not thy burnt offerings in every place that thou seest:
DEU 12:14 But in the place which the LORD shall choose in one of thy tribes, there thou shalt offer thy burnt offerings, and there thou shalt do all that I command thee.
Before we go any further, is it your contention that no worship occured in synagogues around the time of Christ?
Think he has any "graven images" of family members in his home? ;)
Ah, well that shines a light of awareness on things doesn't it.
Yawn. Must be nice to have such a simplistic worldview. Well, maybe not.
I don't have a simplistic worldview - just one that favors facts rather than fairytails.
Huh? What are you talking about? Theodosius was long dead by AD 438.
Oh, look, you're right. I mistated the date. Favor us with the Date theodosius Named your church "Catholic". Cause Ignatius didn't. And Do stop spreading that lie about the so called ignatian text. It is a lie and it is tired.
You might ask yourself if the RC cares about much of anything other than securing it's own power. Looking at them from a purely biblical standpoint, they have trappings made to have them look like good people on the clerical side; but, their story don't match scripture. How they sing kindof looses any impact when they don't know God's word to begin with. Just an observation. Paul said that God is the Pillar and foundation of Truth. The RCC says it is. When you start looking deeper, the inconsistancies grow rapidly.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.