Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Bandage Cost Concerns With Smallpox Vaccinations - virus can seep out and harm others??
wkrn ^

Posted on 11/20/2002 9:40:24 PM PST by chance33_98



Bandage Cost Concerns With Smallpox Vaccinations

Bandage Cost Concerns With Smallpox Vaccinations

Reporter: Silvia Castaneda

A terrorist attack involving smallpox is a real threat, but the biggest hurdle in developing a vaccination plan is not the cost - it's the bandages.

Tricia Mewbourne went to Vanderbilt Medical Center to get a bandage change. She has a sore on her arm from the smallpox vaccine.

"You see the seepage and you wonder whether it's going outside," Tricia said.

The "it" she was talking about is the live virus in the vaccine. If the virus were to escape from her arm and expose others: "Certain individuals can get fairly ill and even die from this virus."

So Tricia and other Vanderbilt study volunteers are having sores kept under double wraps, using two bandages. Bandages are changed every three days for a few weeks. Each change costs a dollar, so in a mass vaccination situation: "If you multiply that by hundreds of thousands or several thousand individuals, it could be very costly," said Dr. Tom Talbot.

And if most of the state would have to be vaccinated, the bandage cost would be in the millions. But there's no plan right now on who'd pick up that cost. It could fall on strapped local governments.

"We are not stockpiling bandages at this time, " said Dr. Allen Craig.

State Health Department epidemiologist Dr. Allen Craig said it's too early to do that, not only because of cost, but because the federal government hasn't figured out what bandage may protect best. However, if millions of bandages would be needed in a hurry, Dr. Craig said cost wouldn't be a factor.

"We will be able to pick up the cost using federal or state dollars if we need to."

In the meantime, Vanderbilt researchers said they want to test different types of bandages to see whether the cheap ones, like gauze ones that cost just a couple of cents, could protect as well as the costly ones.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS:
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-70 next last
The "it" she was talking about is the live virus in the vaccine. If the virus were to escape from her arm and expose others: "Certain individuals can get fairly ill and even die from this virus."

Never heard of that....

1 posted on 11/20/2002 9:40:24 PM PST by chance33_98
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: chance33_98
I thought they used a "dead" form?
2 posted on 11/20/2002 9:41:29 PM PST by goodnesswins
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: goodnesswins
No - It's very much alive. This is why the decision to vacinate at all is such a big one. Once you start vacinating anyone, you put the virus back out into the general population.
3 posted on 11/20/2002 9:44:57 PM PST by Route66
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: chance33_98
I still remember my kids getting their smallpox vacinations years ago...I do NOT remember the sores getting very large or "runny".

In fact, none of my youngsters even have much of a scar...and come to think of it...neither do my husband or I.

Is this new vacine extra potent or something????

4 posted on 11/20/2002 9:46:25 PM PST by crazykatz
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: chance33_98
The virus is inert. This is ridiculous! Needs a barf alert!

But, it is indicative of the emotionalism surrounding smallpox. It is like a fear of mice. Totally ridiculous!

5 posted on 11/20/2002 9:46:51 PM PST by Cold Heat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Route66
Codswallop and balderdash ! When everyone used to be vacinated,as yet unvacinated siblings didn't " catch " smallpox, from the toddlers, who had just been vacinated. What...did dthey have " better " badaids, in 1910, 1930, 1950, or 1970, than they have today ? this " smallpox hysteria " is just ridiculous !
6 posted on 11/20/2002 9:49:28 PM PST by nopardons
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: crazykatz
When I was a kid, we all got them at school, no one was concerned about bandages or anything, the thing scabbed over & there was no runny goo! Are these people who are bringing this up, very young & don't remember how it was done years ago, without panic attached to it. It was just another routine shot all grade school kids had to have.
7 posted on 11/20/2002 9:50:17 PM PST by blondee123
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: crazykatz
The smallpox vaccine is supposed to initiate a reaction in your immune system so that antibodies are created. This usually makes a sore or black colored scab. It often scars and is perfectly normal, in fact a sign that the vaccine worked.

To think that you would need anything other than a curad bandaid with or without a picture of a frog on it is assinine!

8 posted on 11/20/2002 9:54:04 PM PST by Cold Heat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: crazykatz
I was vaccinated as a kid, 2 of my close friends are docs, one does research for the cdc, both say once you are vaccinated you are ok, it doesn't wear off as some are saying, so I guess everyone over 30-35 is ok
9 posted on 11/20/2002 10:16:25 PM PST by Ford Fairlane
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: nopardons
Look - Please don't shoot me for being the messenger. This is just fact. Some people in the population WILL be at risk of becoming seriously ill from those who have been vacinated. People who are immune compromised are not candidates for the vaccine and are definitely at risk.

This does not mean it may not be neccessary to vaccinate anyway, but the facts are that the vaccine in not 'inert' and if any people are vaccinated, some of those who have not innoculated will become ill and some may die. Even the CDC has admitted it.
10 posted on 11/20/2002 10:16:41 PM PST by Route66
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: wirestripper; bonesmccoy
One thing we didn't have in the old days of smallpox inoculations was AIDS. Could secondhand virus from the vaccinations result in some of these people manifesting some form of the pox?
11 posted on 11/20/2002 10:19:31 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Route66
Look-Please don't shoot the querant. I asked a proven, factual, historically sound query. WHY DIDN'T UNVACINATED CHILDREN AND IMMUNE COMPROMISE PEOPLE DIE IN THE CENTURY, WHEN SMALLPOX VACINATIONS WERE THE NORM ?

On a personal note, having been vacinated and been given two booster shots, I'm fine and won't need revacination nor additional boosters. That's a fact , BTW.

12 posted on 11/20/2002 10:20:49 PM PST by nopardons
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: chance33_98


(from http://www.nature.com/nsu/021111/021111-13.html)


Smallpox strategies simulated
Models call for vaccinations before bioterror attack.
15 November 2002
KENDALL POWELL


Immunity levels of people vaccinnated in the 1970s are uncertain.
© SPL



Pre-emptive vaccination of healthcare workers is the key to thwarting a deadly smallpox epidemic, according to the latest simulation1.

A previous study concluded that the best strategy would be to vaccinate the entire US population after an attack2. But vaccinating only those who are likely to be exposed initially, such as healthcare workers, could be almost as effective, say statistician Elizabeth Halloran of Emory University in Atlanta, Georgia, and her colleagues.

The existing immunity of people vaccinated before 1972 - when immunization of US children stopped - might reduce the need for mass vaccination. "With residual immunity, the two strategies become close," says Halloran.

The current US plan for a smallpox outbreak calls for targeted vaccination, followed by mass vaccination if necessary. But public-health and national-security agencies continue to seek the best protection strategy.

Halloran says that targeted vaccination might be the best strategy only if vaccine supplies are limited, or to reduce the rare, but sometimes fatal, reactions to vaccination. The United States stockpiles enough vaccine for all its residents.

Stopping the spread

Halloran's model charts the fates of 2,000 citizens in a neighbourhood containing either one or five infected people. The previous model, developed by a team led by Edward Kaplan of Yale University, began with 1,000 infected people in a city of 10 million.

Kaplan's model assumes that people mix freely, resulting in millions of interactions. In fact, says Halloran, people usually make fewer than 10 contacts close enough to be infectious per day.

"We were searching for a robust policy that could contain worst-case scenario outbreaks," Kaplan counters. "That is common sense - any intervention that can control the worst case can also control anything less severe."

Kaplan is reassured that such different studies give similar recommendations. Both show that any amount of pre-attack vaccination limits the outbreak, and that the quicker the response, the better.

Targeted vaccination was used to eradicate smallpox, but it would not be as effective now, says Alan Zelicoff, a biowarfare expert at Sandia National Laboratories in Albuquerque, New Mexico. "Nailing down each case wouldn't work in New York City in 2002," he says.

As more studies are done, notes Zelicoff, the number of people recommended for pre-emptive vaccination has gone up and up.

The federal government has called for about 500,000 healthcare 'first responders' to be vaccinated. Kaplan has calculated that roughly 2 million people, including ambulance drivers, police officers and vaccinators would be needed for a mass vaccination effort.




13 posted on 11/20/2002 10:32:26 PM PST by woofie
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Comment #14 Removed by Moderator

To: nopardons
I think the simple answer to yor question is - some of them did become ill or die. We just were not aware they did. Vaccines were much more dangerous then, and this is an old vaccine. As the article I am going to link to below says, we have just become used to vaccines with less risk than this one has. The reason they have not lined up everyone for these is because it is going to cause some significant problems and they are trying to work out how they will handle those problems in advance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>A lot of people think getting the smallpox vaccine "is like going in and getting a flu shot," said Dr. Michael Welch of the Richmond Department of Public Health. "It's not."

There is a short list of who should not get the vaccine, but it could add up to a lot of people. Experts say pregnant women should not. Nor should people with chronic and severe skin infections or those with compromised immune systems from HIV or and organ transplants, for example.

Pre-event vaccinations also could put health-care workers in a bind.

"The area of the vaccination ends up being contagious for a little while," Smithson said. "It can give people vaccinia. Hospitals deal with immunocompromised patients. How do you give it to your staff and then say you cannot be around any immunosuppressed people for 10 days?"

The federal Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices a few weeks ago came out with a statement that said as long as the vaccination area was covered by a bandage, vaccinated health-care workers would not have to miss work. The recommendations were forwarded to the CDC, which still needs to sign off on them.

Smithson points out that the patient literature that comes with the Dryvax vaccine seems to imply more caution. The precautions say: "Recently vaccinated health-care workers should avoid contact with patients, particularly those with immunodeficiencies, until the scab has separated from the skin at the vaccination site."

It later tells health-care workers what steps to take if contact with patients is "essential and unavoidable."

At a meeting of the Secure Virginia Initiative's health and medical subpanel, one county health official said informal conversations with his staff turned up quite a few people who would not be eligible to get the vaccine or who simply did not want it.

Kaplowitz said the answer may be to consider regional teams instead of teams at individual hospitals or by cities or counties.

"We can't force anybody to take the vaccine, and this will be an issue," Kaplowitz said.

Smithson said public expectations may be against pre-event vaccinations on any large scale. Because vaccines have been made safer over the years, people don't expect any casualties.

"When there were mostly live virus vaccines, over 20 to 30 years ago, there were a certain number who died. Now that we have these vaccines that are much safer, we have not had those bad outcomes," Smithson said. "The American people are used to zero deaths and zero complications. That makes it a little tougher."<
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
http://timesdispatch.com/news/vametro/MGBV48GBM8D.html

15 posted on 11/20/2002 10:47:43 PM PST by Route66
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Route66
No - It's very much alive. This is why the decision to vacinate at all is such a big one. Once you start vacinating anyone, you put the virus back out into the general population.

Manure.

There are exactly two types of vaccinations: Live culture and dead culture.

In dead culture, just a portion of the virus is used, usually the outer coat, so that your body will "learn" that chemical signature and develop antibodies which will also be effective against any arrival of the "real" virus.

In live culture, a *crippled* form of the real virus is used, one which reproduces in the body, but lacks the ability to cause the original dangerous disease. It just multiplies harmlessly around in your body for a bit until your body develops effective antibodies and wipes it out, again leaving you with lasting protection against any future similar infection.

*NEITHER* form of vaccine "puts the [actual disease-producing] virus out into the population".

Period.

If the smallpox vaccine they're manufacturing is the dead form, there's no issue at all of needing "bandages".

If the vaccine is the live form, the *only* thing that could spread person to person if the infected injection site is not properly covered is the *LIVE VACCINE*. In other words, you could actually indirectly *vaccinate* other people who came into contact with it. You would *not* give them "smallpox".

If the article isn't entirely off base, what they're talking about is the risk of giving other people an accidental vaccination, with the usual risk of adverse reactions to vaccination, especially if they're high-risk individuals for allergic reactions or have weakened immune systems. Not to mention the fact that any pus oozing from your skin could conceivably spread any other pathogens you happened to have in your body, like Hepatitis, AIDS, etc.

16 posted on 11/20/2002 10:54:37 PM PST by Dan Day
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Route66
Look, the smallpox vacination almost killed me, when I first got it and I was a tiny child. Back then, people knew that their were risks; they just didn't sue everyone, when they sneezed. That's the problem, today; many people ( including a lot of FREEPERS ! )just can't see the forest for the trees. I guess that they'd rather GET smallpox, than be somewhat discomfitted from the shot. Oh well, those who get the shot and those who don't, will all probably sue the government and the drug companies,no matter what happens.

BTW, this talked about smallpox vacine, is NOT " old ", it's new and is coming from England.One of my friends is an expert, who works as a consultant ( and sometimes doctor, as he did during 9/11/01 ) for the CDC. I'll take his word for this stuff; rather than an article posted on FR and / or the hysterical posts, from people who don't have ALL of the facts.

17 posted on 11/20/2002 10:56:23 PM PST by nopardons
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Dan Day
In other words, you could actually indirectly *vaccinate* other people who came into contact with it.

Kind of like secondary smoke. These vaccination threads have shown just how downright mentally disturbed this nation has become. In the middle ages the population could be forgiven their ignorance about disease and its treatment or prevention, but for that to be happening now is willful stupidity.

18 posted on 11/20/2002 11:04:09 PM PST by Texasforever
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Route66
Vaccination for small pox is not done with small pox virus. It is done with Vaccinia virus, cow pox virus, because cow pox virus induces cross immunity.

People with immune deficiencies, and people with eczema or other open sores on their skin can get over inoculated with the virus as it will take up residence in all open wounds. So people in the household or close friends of people who are vaccinated and shedding cow pox virus can be at risk if they have immune deficiencies from cancer treatment, transplant immunosuppression, steroid treatment, etc. Plus those with skin rashes and lesions are at risk.

To understand why we all got vaccinated back then you have to realize how great a killer small pox was and that the survivors were often terribly disfigured with scars.

That the U.S. and Britain are prepared to reintroduce vaccination tells you they must know something about what Saddam has been cooking up these past years. That to me is a terrible crime against humanity in itself and deserves the death penalty.

19 posted on 11/20/2002 11:14:44 PM PST by patriciaruth
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: wirestripper
The virus is inert

I believe it is "attenuated," meaning not dead but weakened and still alive.

20 posted on 11/20/2002 11:16:37 PM PST by patriciaruth
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: nopardons
Okay - I guess confusion will just have to reign on this one. First you ask why some did not become ill and die when we were vaccinated as kids. I explained they did. Then you tell me you nearly died from it as a kid - and abandon the 'it's not dangerous' argument for 'the freepers are just wimps' approach.
You have just made my point that the vaccine is not without danger for some people, but I've already said that the odds are we will have to vaccinate anyway. Glad you got your vaccine and you're well and happy, but the fact is that if we wind up having to vaccinate everyone, some people will not be well and happy. The country will be better off if we come to grips with that ahead of time.
21 posted on 11/20/2002 11:23:05 PM PST by Route66
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: nopardons
WHY DIDN'T UNVACINATED CHILDREN AND IMMUNE COMPROMISE PEOPLE DIE IN THE CENTURY, WHEN SMALLPOX VACINATIONS WERE THE NORM ?

Some did.

However, we have a more vulnerable population now in that we have a couple generations of immunodeficient chidren who survived and grew up into adulthood ONLY because antibiotics were discovered and helped them survive.

And we have a population of people taking steroids for asthma and COPD, and cancer chemotherapy, and organ transplant recipients. These therapies didn't exist back then and these people would have died of their primary disease.

Finally, one got vaccinated in childhood when the immune system was at its peak and able to respond at maximum to the attenuated virus entering the system. A lot of the people we are going to vaccinate are adults now, who will have a higher rate of ill effects. For the same reason that chicken pox is a more serious disease in adulthood than childhood, it is riskier to vaccinate older people. Remember Patsy Mink?

Thus a higher percentage of people now will be at risk for greater problems than was true in the past.

This is a reality we have to try to cope with and try to minimize as best we can.

22 posted on 11/20/2002 11:25:09 PM PST by patriciaruth
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: patriciaruth
I'm sorry. I only meant that the virus that we would be vaccinated with was alive and could be spread through the use of the vaccine. I do know it's cow pox, but as you said, the vaccination is not without risk - which is why there has been so much deliberation about how best to use it.

I understand fully the risks of smallpox, and my point here has not been to say we should not vaccinate, only to counter the argument made by some that there is no danger in the vaccination process.
23 posted on 11/20/2002 11:31:01 PM PST by Route66
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: Route66
I'm alergic to some things and it wasn't known, until I had a reaction to things. That's life and MOST kids, back then, did NOT die from any vacinations. Sure we got ill; but death wasn't anything I ever heard happening, to anyone, from any vacinations. Do learn how to read a wee bit more carefully.

The absurd hysterics, on FR, about smallpox vacinations, has been going on for a rather long time now. The lies, 1/2 truths, and misinformation, has been astounding !

It isn't " confusion " at all; it's a bunch of gu;;ible, overtly paranoid, the world has to be PERFECT dupes, who are " confused ". The rest of us ar just fine ! :-)

24 posted on 11/20/2002 11:34:12 PM PST by nopardons
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: patriciaruth
However, we have a more vulnerable population now

Is the risk to theses vulnerable people any more from a smallpox vaccination than say a flu or pneumonia inoculation?

25 posted on 11/20/2002 11:36:32 PM PST by Texasforever
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: patriciaruth
Well, it's either vacinate them, or have them run the risk, should the crazed Islamacists let loose bioterrorism, of getting smallpox and dying. Six of one and 1/2 a dozen of the other.

Childhood diseases are always and have always been worse in adults, than in children. Lord Byron died from measles. Male adutls, who got the mumps, were made sterile. What is forgotten, or unknown, in all of this hysertia, is that children used to die / be maimed, from all sorts of things, which people, in the USA, no longer get. All of us, children AND adults, now get strange illnesses, because people now live longer and don't get things like whopping cough, measles, mumps, etc. !

26 posted on 11/20/2002 11:40:36 PM PST by nopardons
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: Texasforever
Is the risk to theses vulnerable people any more from a smallpox vaccination than say a flu or pneumonia inoculation?

Off the top of my head I would say the risk will be ten times greater at least.

27 posted on 11/20/2002 11:46:21 PM PST by patriciaruth
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: nopardons
Well, it's either vacinate them, or have them run the risk, should the crazed Islamacists let loose bioterrorism, of getting smallpox and dying.

That the U.S. and Britain are doing this in spite of the risks indicates a very grave concern that outweighs the inevitable deaths and disabilities from this vaccine.

Like I said before, I believe they know something they haven't told us about what Saddam has in his medicine chest. And I believe they have known this for a year or more, but haven't been able to level with us because they had to get the pieces in place for the chess game of our lives...wizard chess, if you will, where people die.

And all the liberals complaining that the President hasn't asked us to make sacrifices for the war effort. They mean forego the tax cut. But the sacrifices are actually ahead of us and will be great for some families, so there is no need to create artificial sacrifices now.

28 posted on 11/20/2002 11:53:28 PM PST by patriciaruth
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: patriciaruth
I agree with your last paragraph.
29 posted on 11/20/2002 11:55:09 PM PST by nopardons
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: nopardons
I think I read very carefully. You have played both sides of this argument, but that's okay.

I don't think I have been hysterical or overly paranoid in this discussion, and I have not spread lies or half-truths.
I have stated the obvious. There are risks - there will be casualties.

Those casualties will be broadcast on every news network and we will know their names, their faces, and their grieving family members. It will be a political football and some will try to blame Bush. No matter how we do this, it is going to be a BIG deal and there will be personal and political ramifications.

It's certainly understandable why this has been such a hot topic here for a while and if you are already weary of the discussion here on FR and think no one here has anything to contribute to the dialog, I'm afraid you are doomed to be annoyed by hundreds more threads about this before it's all done. Goodnight and stay well.
30 posted on 11/21/2002 12:14:14 AM PST by Route66
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: patriciaruth
I believe it is "attenuated,"

Sorry PR, I probably used the wrong term to describe the fact that the vaccine virus is not a virus that is harmful to humans. Even though it is indeed a live form and not dead. With that in mind, one would have to be slightly paranoid to believe that it would cause damage by junping from the vaccinated to someone else.

According to CDC records, the people who actually died as a result of the old style innoculaions were estimated at between 1 and 2 per million vaccinations. I don't doubt that carefull screening would almost all but eliminate that number.

They also have and are creating the imuno-globulin antidote for those who have bad reactions.

The stuff in not totally safe, as most all vaccines. But, it would be a no brainer to get it if we have a major outbreak. The only reason this bandaid crap came up is the protection of imuno-deficient people from recently vaccinated ones. A real major worry that is only for people that worry about potential hazards that raely, if ever, would occur.

Like raining cats and dogs.

31 posted on 11/21/2002 12:17:30 AM PST by Cold Heat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: Route66
No, your reading comprehension and logic / reasoning capability, has led you quite astray, since you seem to have misconstrued what I have written.

You bet I am sick and tired of people trying to stir up this garbage. I know that it won't stop. It's just that FR used to be filled with more people, who didn't get appoplectic about what are assumptions.

Will the Dems use smallpox vacinations ( whether given or not ) against the president ? OF COURSE THE SHALL ! They use the fact that heh's breathing, against him.

32 posted on 11/21/2002 12:20:02 AM PST by nopardons
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

Comment #33 Removed by Moderator

To: Route66
I guess confusion will just have to reign on this one.

No one appears confused to me except maybe you.

The whole point of this is that if you have full blown aids or another imuno compromise, you need to stay away from physical contact with recently vaccinated people or you run a slight risk of contracting the vaccination through contact.

That is it and that is all of it.

34 posted on 11/21/2002 12:23:23 AM PST by Cold Heat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: Quixdraw4440
This is starting to get to me; now I just realized that people are dying every day; they are living much longer but they are still dying.

People may be living longer but they sure as hell are not any smarter. I think I have had every damned inoculation devised by man from childhood through the adult years of traveling to some of the most disease ridden cesspools on earth. In all that time I have never once given it a second thought. There is only one question a person has to ask themselves and that is...is the risk of a vaccination greater than the risk of contracting the disease, especially if that disease is being used as a weapon. Everything else is just navel gazing and, as you said, agenda driven hype..

35 posted on 11/21/2002 12:34:57 AM PST by Texasforever
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

Comment #36 Removed by Moderator

To: wirestripper
one would have to be slightly paranoid to believe that it would cause damage by junping from the vaccinated to someone else.

No, one would not be paranoid, one would simply have a medical degree.

patriciaruth, M.D.

37 posted on 11/21/2002 12:56:01 AM PST by patriciaruth
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: patriciaruth
That's what I said, slightly paranoid.:-)

I know you are a med proffesional. I also know that the CDC is just covering all the potentials of a mass vaccination.

The trouble is that these findings are mis-interpreted by many and they are fearfull. This particular warning about band-aids is the tip of the iceberg.

The fact is, that if we were actually attacked with the virus, the mounting death toll would greatly and quickly overtake the petty fears. These same people would be pushing and shoving other people out of line to get their vaccinations.

38 posted on 11/21/2002 1:05:49 AM PST by Cold Heat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

Comment #39 Removed by Moderator

To: nopardons
I remember when my friends and I were vacinated. We all had these big, raised sores at the vacination site. The sores fell off after a few days leaving a scar.

I don't remember any of us even wearing bandaids after the first day.

Of course, that was almost 40 years ago.

40 posted on 11/21/2002 4:21:09 AM PST by alnick
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: patriciaruth
Gotta' tell you, I'm really scared that these will be mandated, and some of us will be getting a death sentence. I have a serious heart condition and while my Dr. advises the pneumonia vaccine, he absolutely said NO flu vaccine. Also, they DO use some live cultures, (for other vaccines) because my grandchildren's pediatricians advised me not to have close personal contact for a couple of days because I am "immune compromised."

Finally, the real laugh is that it appears that the idiopathic cardiomyopathy which I have was caused by a viral condition.....quite possibly from a Parvo virus which was dispatched in some of the early batches of polio vaccine. Anybody remember the sugar cubes? When I was a child, they allowed us all a double-dose in the cafeteria that day. Guess the thought was that if a spoonful was good a tablespoon was great. Strange, but true.

Doctor comments?
41 posted on 11/21/2002 4:30:28 AM PST by snickeroon
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: snickeroon
Gotta' tell you, I'm really scared that these will be mandated, and some of us will be getting a death sentence.

No need to worry, there is a 250k death benefit in the homeland security bill.

42 posted on 11/21/2002 4:45:57 AM PST by chance33_98
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: chance33_98
Thanks for the info.....wouldn't you just know there's ALWAYS a silver lining!
43 posted on 11/21/2002 4:49:11 AM PST by snickeroon
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: Route66
>> Once you start vacinating anyone, you put the virus back out into the general population<<

The vaccine virus is cowpox (vaccinia), not smallpox (variola).

44 posted on 11/21/2002 4:50:51 AM PST by Jim Noble
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Route66
>>"The American people are used to zero deaths and zero complications. That makes it a little tougher."<<

Guess they've gotten used to lack of leadership. as well.

45 posted on 11/21/2002 4:54:09 AM PST by Jim Noble
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: nopardons
>>Oh well, those who get the shot and those who don't, will all probably sue the government and the drug companies,no matter what happens.<<

I was at a smallpox clinic planning meeting yesterday.

Every question I took, was a variation of, "but won't we get sued?"

46 posted on 11/21/2002 4:56:04 AM PST by Jim Noble
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Texasforever
>>Is the risk to theses vulnerable people any more from a smallpox vaccination than say a flu or pneumonia inoculation?<<

Yes, it's much greater.

47 posted on 11/21/2002 4:56:46 AM PST by Jim Noble
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: skull stomper
>>The tradgedy of five hundred deaths is terrible. The tradgedy of 83.4 million deaths is unthinkable, at least to any sane person.<<

People are not thinking clearly about this.

Casualties from enemy action are unavoidable. The goal is to minimize the number of casualties, and to defeat the enemy's strategy.

Focussing on a "zero-casualty" approach to a smallpox attack is foolish, as it will tend to prevent us from pursuing effective strategies to minimize casualties and to defeat the enemy.

48 posted on 11/21/2002 5:00:44 AM PST by Jim Noble
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: Jim Noble
One of many questions: are we sure that the strain that will be used by terrorists is standard smallpox and not a cocktail of several diseases....for instance, has anyone read about "blackpox"????

Also, we do not have to be innoculated UNLESS there is absolute certainty that we are being exposed....correct?????
49 posted on 11/21/2002 5:06:21 AM PST by snickeroon
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]

To: snickeroon
>>One of many questions: are we sure that the strain that will be used by terrorists is standard smallpox<<

No, but the feasibility of engineering viruses (which is simple in the movies) is unclear. I myself doubt that viruses can be made more virulent without damaging them in other ways.

>>Also, we do not have to be innoculated UNLESS there is absolute certainty that we are being exposed....correct?????<<

The State cannot require you to be immunized, but they can quarantine you against your will if you refuse.

I don't think vaccine refusal is going to be much of an issue after an attack...

50 posted on 11/21/2002 5:27:29 AM PST by Jim Noble
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 49 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-70 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson