How We Got Fluoridated

Stop Fluoridation USA ^ | Unknown | Philip Heggen

[TomB]

That's been proven to be false Tom. And you know it...

OK, let's see the studies that show people in this country are sick due to ingestion of fluoridated water.

[FormerLurker]

I proved that calcium fluoride is actually LESS TOXIC than table salt! Thereby proving yet ANOTHER lie on your part.

Er, I DID state in an earlier post that CALCIUM FLUORIDE IS LESS POISONOUS than SODIUM FLUORIDE, largely due to its low solubility. Because it is less ACUTELY toxic than salt does not mean its LONG TERM CUMULATIVE effect is as benign. In any case Tom, you STILL show NO concern over the health of your (hypothetical) patients or anyone elses...

[FormerLurker]

OK, let's see the studies that show people in this country are sick due to ingestion of fluoridated water.

Go back and read all of the posts to you...

[HairOfTheDog]

I grew up in Flouridated water, and have no cavities to this day, and I am 35. Hard as nails, my teeth are!

Tom, if you ever get FormerLurker to admit to taking an erroneous or foolish position, let me know. I am not holding my breath, what FL does have is endurance!

[FormerLurker]

I am not holding my breath, what FL does have is endurance!

Only when I know I'm right...

[HairOfTheDog]

[TomB]

Er, I DID state in an earlier post that CALCIUM FLUORIDE IS LESS POISONOUS than SODIUM FLUORIDE, largely due to its low solubility.

Do you agree that the statement that you made, "ALL fluoride compounds are toxic", is false, based on the fact it's LD50 is higher than that of salt?

Because it is less ACUTELY toxic than salt does not mean its LONG TERM CUMULATIVE effect is as benign.

Seeing as now you were wrong about fluoride not being excreted, this is also a false statement.

Can you point to a study showing calcium fluoride has long term toxic effects?

I thought not.

In any case Tom, you STILL show NO concern over the health of your (hypothetical) patients or anyone elses...

If you are going to be a complete coward, and not take me up on my $10,000 wager, you should hold off on the accusations.

Will you accept my wager?

[TomB]

Tom, if you ever get FormerLurker to admit to taking an erroneous or foolish position, let me know. I am not holding my breath, what FL does have is endurance!

"Foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds."

I believe that sums FL up to a T.

[TomB]

Go back and read all of the posts to you...

Let me get this straight, the KING of cut-and-paste spam won't post something?

BWAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA!!!!!!!

LOL How many times did you post that fluorosis picture, or that solubility table?

Just admit those studies don't exist.

[FormerLurker]

Because it is less ACUTELY toxic than salt does not mean its LONG TERM CUMULATIVE effect is as benign.
Seeing as now you were wrong about fluoride not being excreted, this is also a false statement.

Will you stop lying about that? You, I, and the rest of the readers ALL know that only SOME fluoride is excreted, where roughly 40% is retained in adults, more than that in children.

Can you point to a study showing calcium fluoride has long term toxic effects?

I can show you some where SODIUM FLUORIDE HAS been shown to have long term effects. Would that be sufficient for you?

I thought not.

BUT Tom, if fluoride ions are the same, and SODIUM FLUORIDE IONS ARE TOXIC, then ANY FLUORIDE ION IS TOXIC.....

[FormerLurker]

LOL How many times did you post that fluorosis picture, or that solubility table?

And how many times have you insisted that ALL calcium fluoride dissolves in a solution, whereas aruanan has insisted that NONE of it does, yet you BOTH insist that you're right...

[FormerLurker]

I believe that sums FL up to a T.

So Tom, demonstrating factual evidence and truths is "foolish". Hey, you haven't seen ANYTHING yet....

Keep asking for some more, I'll give you more "foolishness"....

[TomB]

So, are you going to post some studies, or not?

And are you going to take me up on my wager?

Keep asking for some more, I'll give you more "foolishness"....

Well, you're doing pretty well so far.

[FormerLurker]

So, are you going to post some studies, or not?

I did, but you called them "spam" Tom...

[FormerLurker]

And are you going to take me up on my wager?

Now why didn't you recognize a classic free radical when I showed you one Tom?

[FormerLurker]

And are you going to take me up on my wager?

If I wanted to get cheated, I'd go to suckercasino.com

[FormerLurker]

BTW Tom, I WASN'T totally wrong in my statement that CALCIUM fluoride was the only naturally occuring fluoride in nature, as MOST of the naturally occuring fluorides ARE CALCIUM compounds. It is just that FLUORINE, being the MOST reactive electronegative element in the periodic table, WILL bond to just about ANY metal. That's what makes it so toxic. And that is why it dissolves lead pipes. If it dissolves lead, and even URANIUM, what do you think it does inside your body?

[FormerLurker]

You HAVE heard of uranium hexafluoride, haven't you Tom? And you HAVE heard of a state called New Jersey, right Tom?

[PeaceBeWithYou]

Say CHEESE.

Wink, wink, nudge, nudge, know what I mean?;-)