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Rowdy Fans Riot After College Football Games
Fox News ^ | Sunday, November 24, 2002 | AP

Posted on 11/24/2002 8:28:16 AM PST by Sparta

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:35:13 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

COLUMBUS, Ohio Police fired tear gas and wooden pellets to break up rioting by college football fans who set fire to cars, threw bottles and burned furniture in the streets early Sunday in celebration of Ohio State University's victory over rival Michigan.


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Note to the Islamofascists: This is how we act after football games. Imagine what will happen if you gas a city.
1 posted on 11/24/2002 8:28:16 AM PST by Sparta
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To: Sparta
taking chunks of the turf some said they planned to sell on the Internet.

You can sell clumps of grass on the internet?

2 posted on 11/24/2002 8:32:32 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Sparta
We aer becoming a third-world country.
3 posted on 11/24/2002 8:35:11 AM PST by TopQuark
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To: Sparta; Constitution Day
In Raleigh, N.C., one person's leg was broken and two people suffered knee injuries on the field when fans tore down goal posts following North Carolina State's 17-7 victory over No. 14 Florida State.

Suffered knee injuries? What'd they do? Scrape their knees? What's wrong with tearing down the goalposts after the game? People have been doing it for years!! Granted, we tried to do it 8 seconds before the game ended, but heck it was Florida State!!

Hey CD, how about that PACK!!

4 posted on 11/24/2002 8:38:19 AM PST by billbears
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To: Sparta
Note to all: This is disgusting , lawless behavior that REAL Americans do not indulge in.

The Europeans ans South Americans often riot and kill after a soccer game, we should reject such stupidity ! It is only a game, folks.

I would like to see mass arrests and prosecution for any and all "fans" who do not quietly and orderly leave the stadium . This tearing down of goalposts and other vandalism should be nipped in the bud. Perhaps a week in jail and a $500 fine would be a start ?

5 posted on 11/24/2002 8:38:32 AM PST by hoosierham
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To: southernnorthcarolina; Constitution Day
Of course, also fair credit should be given to Carolina. The cheese and wine crowd did their best to end up in the ACC cellar but Duke wouldn't let them!!
6 posted on 11/24/2002 8:40:05 AM PST by billbears
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To: Sparta
Reminds me again why I like auto racing fans. I've been to about a half dozen NASCAR races and have seen drunken fans with watermelons on their heads but I have never seen anyone out of control.
7 posted on 11/24/2002 8:40:11 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: TopQuark
We are becoming a third-world country.

At an alarming pace.

8 posted on 11/24/2002 8:40:17 AM PST by c-b 1
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To: Dog Gone
You can sell clumps of grass on the internet?

A couple of years ago you could sell the concept of 'branding' on the internet to people with venture capital money.

BTW, GO HUSKIES!

Nice win over the Cougars.

9 posted on 11/24/2002 8:40:32 AM PST by UnBlinkingEye
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To: Sparta
Football celebrations got out of hand ...

At the turn of the previous century, College Football was almost killed off by player violence but was saved by Theodore Roosevelt. Looks like we need another White House intervention to save it from its fans.

How stupid and un-necessary but so typical of today's party-hearty college cliques. I know that there are those who go to study and that some of these rowdies are the 'victims' of alcohol, but the Universities need to start re-asserting discipline and true punishments.

10 posted on 11/24/2002 8:48:08 AM PST by SES1066
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To: Sparta
Did you see the 15 minute brawl at the end of the Hawaii-Cinci U. game last night?

So much for diversity and tolerance on the island with socialized health care!

11 posted on 11/24/2002 8:50:07 AM PST by ewing
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There's a 2 step simple solution that would end 99% of this. First, severely stiffen the penalty for rioting, a minimum of 1 year in jail with no possibility of probation for even first time offenders. Should take care of visiting fans rioting, seeing as how they would go before an unsympathetic opponent's jury. Second, if it is the home fans that riot, add a new NCAA rule that requires that team to forfeit the victory or a prior victory. Tear down the goalposts, lose the game.

If the OSU and WSU administrations is really about academics and displaying class, they will forfeit their respective shots at the mythical national championship and Pac-10 championships. But of course, we know it likely isn't about that for either administration.

Harsh? Sure, but it would put an end to this crap. There is also precedence for sacrificing onfield success in the name of virtue. I forget the schools, but many years ago a school forfeited a victory that was earned on a bad call. That school was neither the universities of '5th Down' Colorado nor 'Tie Goes To' Notre Dame.
12 posted on 11/24/2002 8:50:52 AM PST by Diddle E. Squat
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To: hoosierham
Agreed. We've got TV cameras covering the stadiums, shouldn't be hard to get solid evidence against many of the spoiled rich kid perps. Keep it simple and simply make it a felony to go onto the field, mandatory jail time, no probation or buying off with a fine.
13 posted on 11/24/2002 8:53:38 AM PST by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Sparta
Hawaii (??) and Cincinnati U. players brawl for 15 minutes after the conclusion of last night's game in Aloha Stadium.
14 posted on 11/24/2002 8:54:46 AM PST by ewing
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Step 3. Cut out all of the player on-field taunting and chest-beating after each play in both college and pro games.
15 posted on 11/24/2002 8:55:04 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: hoosierham
I agree. There should be heavy fines.
I went to a Raider game this year where the opposing running back scored a touchdown in OT in front of a fan section known as the Black Hole and he was pelted with anything they could throw at him. It really turned me off and made me realize how personal some people take these games. It was like he just broke into their house and stole their car..or worse. To those fans...GET A LIFE YOU LOSERS!
16 posted on 11/24/2002 9:00:20 AM PST by patriot5186
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To: UnBlinkingEye
As a now FORMER Cougar fan, the fans reaction to the end of the game was disgusting enough that I am divorcing myself from ever rooting for them again.

If they were so stupid that they think throwing bottles at the opposition players and fans, actually trying to hurt them, is somehow appropriate because the official made a poor call, they don't deserve to have any backers anywhere. They should shut down the damn program if that's how they're going to act.

Throwing bottles at the players who were just trying their hardest in rivalry game??? That is really disgusting.

And if they want to look to for real reasons why the game was lost they maybe should ask why you can't even get off a play on 1st and goal, at home, in the 4th quarter, to ice the game.

To hell with the Cougar fans. They're the football's equivalent of Daschle Democrats.

17 posted on 11/24/2002 9:01:37 AM PST by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: billbears
What's wrong with tearing down the goalposts after the game?

Several reasons. First, there are almost always a number of serious injuries in the attempt. Second, goal posts are very expensive these days. It's not like the old days, when goal posts were just three poles (that's wooden poles, not Polish people) fastened together.

18 posted on 11/24/2002 9:01:50 AM PST by jimtorr
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To: Diddle E. Squat
I will go out on a limb here and suggest that the school that forfieted the game because of a "fifth" down was Princeton. There was a lot of discussion of the various "fifth" down gsmes here in Kansas City after the Mizzou-colorafo fiasco back in 91 IIRC. All told there have been about half a dozrn fifth down games in college football over the last 100 years or so.

Regards

alfa6 ;>}
19 posted on 11/24/2002 9:01:53 AM PST by alfa6
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To: Sparta

20 posted on 11/24/2002 9:01:57 AM PST by ewing
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To: Sparta
This crap has got to stop. Sports riots need to become a thing of the past. A few years ago it was proven that students at one college were PLANNING a riot (including soaking things in gasoline before the game even started). Frankly whatever it takes to stop this crap should simply be done, this behavior is dangerous, has resulted in injuries and will eventually result in death, cops shouldn't be using peperspray they should be matching lethal force with lethal force. Pop a couple of these morons, maybe the rest will think of something better to do with their time.
21 posted on 11/24/2002 9:03:17 AM PST by discostu
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To: patriot5186
Agreed. When home fans act like British soccer hooligans, the home team should forfeit the game. If the home team lost, they should forfeit the next game.

That goes for the real pros and college pros alike.
22 posted on 11/24/2002 9:05:29 AM PST by jimtorr
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To: billbears
What's wrong with tagging your house, people have been graphitizing private property for years?!

It's vandalism, that's what's wrong with it.
23 posted on 11/24/2002 9:05:52 AM PST by discostu
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To: alfa6
Thanks, I believe the Princeton game you mentioned was the one I had heard about and was referring to.
24 posted on 11/24/2002 9:05:58 AM PST by Diddle E. Squat
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To: jimtorr
I see the possibilities for injuries there but I see the possibility for even more injuries in just running out on the field. And I'd say there's even less chance of stopping that.
25 posted on 11/24/2002 9:08:28 AM PST by billbears
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To: TopQuark
We aer becoming a third-world country.

At least in some parts.

I am always amazed at the "Lord Of The Flys" behaviour after athletic contests.

I don't know if I EVER saw such a thing while I was growing up in Oklahoma.
There might have been cross words and verbal threats after an OU-OSU, OU-Nebraska,
OSU-Nebraka football game...but starting fires, breaking windows and mayhem...
never.

I'll never forget seeing footage of the riot in the Westwood area on one of the
FOX Police Vidoes show. UCLA wins a basketball championship...hey, let's riot!

I guess I'm just a small-town naive virgin on this topic...I just don't get it.

But as I said, it must be the cultures in some parts of the country.
My understanding is that reporterette Connie Chung got "disinvited" and taken off the
job when she came to Oklahoma City following the Federal Building bombing...
and her big comment after viewing the devastation was "Why aren't these people rioting?".
26 posted on 11/24/2002 9:11:34 AM PST by VOA
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To: Sparta
Ohio St. fans crowd the field and climb the goal posts after completing a perfect 13-0 regular season and clinching a birth in the Fiesta Bowl National Championship game before a record crowd of 105,000 in attendance at Columbus, Ohio.


27 posted on 11/24/2002 9:12:55 AM PST by ewing
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To: Sparta
Police fired tear gas and wooden pellets to break up rioting by college football fans who set fire to cars, threw bottles and burned furniture in the streets early Sunday in celebration of Ohio State University's victory over rival Michigan.

"Celebrate" now. Miami or Oklahoma awaits, and there will be no "celebration" after that game. Notice there are never riots after FSU-UF?

Could FSU have played any worse against NC State? I'm a long, long, long time 'Nole backer, and I can't remember off the top of my head ever seeing a game in which FSU looked like it cared less. And this year was supposed to bear the fruit of our "rebuilding" year last year. Beh.

28 posted on 11/24/2002 9:13:48 AM PST by Jonathon Spectre
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Naw, that's excessive. Do what the pros do, don't let anyone on the field....tradition or not.

-Eric

29 posted on 11/24/2002 9:13:57 AM PST by E Rocc
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To: billbears
Shouldn't be too hard to stop at all. When was the last time you saw a bunch of regular citizens run out onto the field after a pro-game? Seattle played 2 years in a college stadium, the Bears are playing in one right now, the Steelers shared 3-River with a college team forever, same with the Cardinals. If the pros can keep the fans off the field, often the EXACT SAME stadiums, there's no reason the colleges can't. That would be a big step to stopping this crap, but college sports riots aren't alway at the stadium, so that's just the beginning.
30 posted on 11/24/2002 9:14:46 AM PST by discostu
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Scenes from Ohio:

Ya know what, in a way I was looking forward to Ohio State playing in the mythical national championship game. It was nice to see a new team in the mix for a change, a team that had risen above so much past disappointment, fans who had waited a long time finally getting a taste of the ultimate, a conference that had been through a down spell now moving back to the top. But this is disgusting. No, these thugs don't represent the vast majority of good Buckeye fans, but neither is this behavior anything new for Columbus. Too much looking the other way. If the administration had class, they would forfeit the victory to send a strong message to any thug thinking of ever pulling this crap again. But that won't happen, this is the U. that fired John Cooper only because he lost, not because he ran a program rife with abuses. No class. So to hell with OSU(and Miami, and every other program that looks the other way.)

31 posted on 11/24/2002 9:17:02 AM PST by Diddle E. Squat
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To: discostu
Look I know it's vandalism. I know it's wrong to some extent. But it happens and it will continue to happen no matter what rules are put into place. Either let it happen (considering it happens once a year at most at most colleges) or set up police around the stadium and get face recognition software for the cameras. Let's see a couple of grand for new goalposts once a year(probably already taken into account at most major colleges in their athletic budgets) or a couple of million dollars a year in extra security and new technology to catch these 'criminals'. What do you think most colleges will do?
32 posted on 11/24/2002 9:17:34 AM PST by billbears
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To: Dog Gone
Ohio State partisans pull sod from the stadium field after the Buckeyes defeated Michigan 14-9 on an intercepted forward pass at the goal line with :01 second on the clock, preserving an undefeated campaign.

The enthusiastic fans (more like vandals-ed.) said they planned to sell the grass on the internet.


33 posted on 11/24/2002 9:19:18 AM PST by ewing
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To: discostu
Granted I can see your point considering it has gone past just goalposts (overturned cars, pulling up grass?!?) but the original intent in tearing down the goalposts was not so mean spirited
34 posted on 11/24/2002 9:20:53 AM PST by billbears
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To: Diddle E. Squat
From ESPN:

In Columbus, Ohio, about 45 people were arrested when crowds celebrating No. 2 Ohio State's victory over Michigan set fires and damaged cars early Sunday near campus.

Police spokeswoman Sherry Mercurio didn't know how many people were injured. She said the arrests were for carrying open containers of alcohol, rioting, resisting arrest or setting the fires.

Celebrations began Saturday afternoon, after Ohio State edged Michigan 14-9 to complete a 13-0 regular season. The Buckeyes next will play in the BCS national championship game at the Tostitos Fiesta Bowl on Jan. 3.

Police at Ohio Stadium used pepper spray to subdue fans who swarmed the field and pushed toward a goal post.

A little after midnight, police used tear gas and pellets to disperse a crowd of several hundred east of Ohio State's campus.

At one point, nine cars were piled together and burning, Mercurio said. Disturbances continued in portions of a 10-block area for several hours.

"Once we'd get one street under control, the crowds would move to one or two others and things would break out again,'' she said.

Streets were mostly empty near campus Sunday morning, with a few traffic barricades at some intersections and some uprooted park benches.


36 posted on 11/24/2002 9:23:26 AM PST by Diddle E. Squat
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To: hoosierham
Never overlook the lessons offered by history:

Caligula decided that a sterner show of force was necessary. Displeased with their taxes, the crowd one day shouted their troubles to him in between races. Rather than hear them out, or even ignore them, Caligula sent out hefty chunks of the military into the crowd with orders to detain any shouting persons. He had them brought to the center of the circus, halted all racing activity, and summarily executed each one so that the bulk of Rome could see he wasn't fooling around.

37 posted on 11/24/2002 9:24:02 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: billbears
That's a great attitude, swap out the word "rape" for "tearing down the goal post" and you see why it's a rediculous attitude. It's the one bad apple scenario, back in the "good ol' days" people only rarely tore down the goal post and that was the end of the anti-social post game behavior. Now it's happening more and more often, with more and more people getting hurt, and it's just the tip of the iceberg. The fans have no longer earned the right to go out on the field after the game, they can't be trusted. I'm sure it's a small percentage of the fans, but they've ruined it for everybody else.

Wait until somebody realizes that the current tort situation makes the colleges liable for whatever injuries are incurred tearing down the goal posts (I know it's stupid, but the college is in charge of the field, similar cases have proved ruinous to the rightful owner in many suits). Then the choice for the colleges become clear. Of course this isn't a discussion of what they will do, it's a discussion of what they SHOULD do. Unfortunately they won't do that until somebody sues the crap out of them.
38 posted on 11/24/2002 9:26:39 AM PST by discostu
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39 posted on 11/24/2002 9:26:41 AM PST by ewing
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To: billbears
The original intent of income taxes was to keep the nation unified (pay for the Civil War). Doesn't mean they're any good now. Same thing with the on-field post game celebration. I think it's really cool, or at least it used to be, but times have changed and the type of people charging onto the field now probably shouldn't have been allowed to attend in the first place. Time for the tradition to end, let the situation cool out for a couple years and see how the fans are behaving then.
40 posted on 11/24/2002 9:30:51 AM PST by discostu
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To: TopQuark
And the ones responsible are the extremist left wing professors who can't teach $30,000 a year students how to behave.
41 posted on 11/24/2002 9:32:56 AM PST by RWG
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To: VOA
I guess I'm just a small-town naive virgin on this topic...I just don't get it.

Not at all! You and other "small-town" folk is what always distinguished this country in terms of civilized behavior. That's what many Europeans don't get and look at how high teh culture reaches. The French, for instance, measure their culture by the writers, artists, and philosophers it has produced.

But that is just one measure of a culture. Just as human spirit, a culture may (and should) be measured not only by how high it rises but also how low it falls when it debases itself. When you looked not to "high culture" but to small-town folk, this country has always stood out in terms of its civility. The most simple people, who have not even traveled to big cities and have not partaken of the sophistry, have been for the most part well-mannered and gracious. I am far from the first to say so so strongly. Most famously, this has been done by de Tocqueville (yes, Virginia, there are open-minded Frenchmen), to wit: "America is great becasue of the basic goodness of its people. And it will cease to be great if its people cease to be good."

You have my respect and, I believe, should be proud of your values. I am sorry to disagree on one minor point: the deterioration of civility is not limited to some parts of the country. It is widespread, although it well may be that the Midwesteners hold off longer.

Regards, TQ.

42 posted on 11/24/2002 9:32:57 AM PST by TopQuark
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To: E Rocc
Of course it is excessive, that is the point. The mob mentality suggests that if we all run on the field, there is a good chance that I wont get caught. So I may then think it to be worth the risk. But if doing so causes my team to forfeit a win and a rare shot at the championship(the ultimate goal each fan holds most dear), then all of a sudden the risks are too high.

This equation holds true during the game, it is why you never see DURING a game a mob of fans rush the field even after a series of horrendous calls. They don't want to cost their team. So logically the most effective deterrent is to extend the risk of "costing the team" to beyond the game.
43 posted on 11/24/2002 9:34:59 AM PST by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Sparta
North Carolina St. fans work on a goal post at Carter Finley Stadium in Raliegh, North Carolina after the Wolfpack upset No. 14 nationally ranked Florida State 17-7.

Three people were taken to Rex Hospital with injuries and pepper spray was used to keep the goalposts inside the stadium.


44 posted on 11/24/2002 9:36:07 AM PST by ewing
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To: RWG
And the ones responsible are the extremist left wing professors who can't teach $30,000 a year students how to behave. Not at all: the ones responsible are the parents who are proud to be post-Christian, who cohabit rather than get married, who swear at the dinner table and patronize "movies" full of violence and raw sex.

Morals and values are taught in the home. In the western tradition, the universities had a very small responsibility: given that the students leave home for school at the age when they are, although already knowing right from wrong, still young and vulnerable, the universities had the responsibility not to contribute to decay, to maintain that which has been learned in the home and the church.

You remark underscors the problem: you not only fail to have an answer --- you do not even look in the right direction.

GO to church or sinagougue of your choice. Understand this difference before you yourself have children, then raise them well before they go to college.

45 posted on 11/24/2002 9:40:35 AM PST by TopQuark
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To: VOA
At least in some parts

Looks like the riots covered all areas of the compass and points in between.

I can't believe fans at Cal actually rioting over a victory. I would think winning in Berkeley would be so un-PC.

46 posted on 11/24/2002 9:43:46 AM PST by socal_parrot
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To: TopQuark
I am sorry to disagree on one minor point: the deterioration of civility is not
limited to some parts of the country. It is widespread, although it well may be that
the Midwesteners hold off longer.


Not a problem...and I wasn't trying to "santify" "flyover country".

There was a football riot in Manhattan, Kansas maybe 10-15 years ago.
This was when the hometown Kansas State U. Wildcats beat the in-state rivals
Kansas University.
A friend in graduate school said that he'd never forget a girl screaming when she
saw her Volkswagen being turned over and set on fire...by "happy" KSU fans.

I guess I must have just imbibed too much morality at Sunday School or from some of the more
virtuous things in popular culture.

As I say (in a quip) when I'm occassionally tempted to take the quick, pragmatic and wrong
way out of situations...
"Some day I've got to find a lawyer who'll help me sue my parents for inculcating me
with this bothersone conscience."
47 posted on 11/24/2002 9:47:13 AM PST by VOA
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Agreed. We've got TV cameras covering the stadiums, shouldn't be hard to get solid evidence against many of the spoiled rich kid perps. Keep it simple and simply make it a felony to go onto the field, mandatory jail time, no probation or buying off with a fine.

As with out war against terrorism, it's not the availability of weapons but the readiness to use them that is the problem. That is also the reason why the undesirable behaviors continue in both cases. I agree with all your suggestion.

P.S. Wha's this "rich kid perps" remark? Was that also "rich" kids that burned LA a decade ago? Or set fires to estates during the Russian revolution? Or sent streams of blood down Parisian streets during the French revolution? (And, incidentally, the rich kids --- all 1,000 of them here in America -- go ski trips in Alps, not the football games). Shed that envy: "The only difference between rich and poor people is that the rich ones have money. Only Marxists impute lack of morals on the bais of wealth.

48 posted on 11/24/2002 9:49:44 AM PST by TopQuark
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To: leadpenny
Then you've apparently never had to endure the traffic after a game, or wait tables in a restaurant near a speedway after a game.

NASCAR fans are the rudest, worst mannered "sports" fans on earth.

49 posted on 11/24/2002 9:50:14 AM PST by Illbay
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To: socal_parrot
I can't believe fans at Cal actually rioting over a victory.
I would think winning in Berkeley would be so un-PC.


LOL!
Guess they are trying to shake the "Blame America First" image and
say "Look, we're regular guys here in Berkeley...we can riot after a sports victory
just like every great American city!"

Guess that'll revive the tourism industry there...

Of course, maybe they were rioting due to some sort of "bad karma" or improper
feng shui (sp?) of the football stadium...
50 posted on 11/24/2002 9:50:38 AM PST by VOA
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