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New Rifle To Go To Production in Israel
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Posted on 11/24/2002 7:15:44 PM PST by yonif

Been published Sunday that there will be a new rifle that will be in production in the Israeli Military Industries. The price tag, $1500 a gun. This is a gun that uses 2 types of weapon characteristics. This will be the new gun given to some special forces divisions in the IDF.



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: idf; israel
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1 posted on 11/24/2002 7:15:44 PM PST by yonif
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To: yonif
Called the "Micro Dabor"
2 posted on 11/24/2002 7:16:22 PM PST by yonif
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To: yonif
Does it come in nickle-plate with ivory handles?
3 posted on 11/24/2002 7:18:14 PM PST by struwwelpeter
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To: yonif
Israeli Special Forces says the Dabor, Tabor whatever the hell it's called sucks. The rifle is hard to manuever with one hand and it costs way more than an M-16/M-4.
4 posted on 11/24/2002 7:18:49 PM PST by Sparta
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To: yonif
Looks like a handgun with an incongrous fat stock and a tits-on-a-boar-hog scope.
5 posted on 11/24/2002 7:21:18 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro

Now this is a great gun.

6 posted on 11/24/2002 7:29:34 PM PST by yonif
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To: yonif
Here's a few more pics of variants:


7 posted on 11/24/2002 7:30:23 PM PST by thatdewd
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To: Sparta
Here are other Tabor series rifles

Tavor - Bull Pup Assault Rifle T.A.R-21 Tavor Assault Rifle

Tavor - Bull Pup Assault Rifle Commando Tavor Assault Rifle

Tavor - Bull Pup Assault Rifle Micro, Tavor Assault Rifle

Tavor - Bull Pup Assault Rifle Sharp Shooting, Tavor Assault Rifle


8 posted on 11/24/2002 7:34:22 PM PST by yonif
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To: yonif
Those are NICE pics, I wish I could undo my previous post. :)
9 posted on 11/24/2002 7:39:17 PM PST by thatdewd
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To: yonif
A on looks, C on effectiveness, F on cost-efficiency.
10 posted on 11/24/2002 7:40:21 PM PST by Sparta
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To: yonif
Love the Uzi though.
11 posted on 11/24/2002 7:40:52 PM PST by Sparta
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To: Sparta
Yep, another finicky bullpup weapon with a tricky-to-insert-magazine-in-the-stock and mucho-muzzle-blast-close-to-your- face design. The IDF will wish they had their old M16's and M4's back.
12 posted on 11/24/2002 7:42:52 PM PST by AF68
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To: Sparta

Negev - Light Machine Gun (LMG) Negev


13 posted on 11/24/2002 7:42:58 PM PST by yonif
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To: yonif
Now this is a great gun.

I guess I'd take one on a trial basis. ;)

15 posted on 11/24/2002 7:44:32 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: yonif

Desert Eagle

Although an American idea, the "Desert Eagle" was developed in Israel by the IMI (Israel Military Industries) in the early 1980s. The first Desert Eagles were manufactured in Israel and started appearing on gun dealers' shelves in the US around 1985. Following a problem in meeting demand for the pistols in 1992 (and probably fearful of the prospect of government import limitations), Magnum Research started assembling parts of the gun in the US and currently is working toward full assembly and possibly manufacture of the guns stateside
16 posted on 11/24/2002 7:45:16 PM PST by yonif
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To: VadeRetro
lol
17 posted on 11/24/2002 7:45:44 PM PST by yonif
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To: yonif
Nice!! I'm bookmarking just for the guns alone. Do you have more and also add some tanks, APCs, and other Israeli weapons.
18 posted on 11/24/2002 7:46:34 PM PST by Sparta
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To: nanrod
It was interestiung that one of the recommendations out of Afghanistan was improving long range rifle capabilities (both traing and possibly weapons).
19 posted on 11/24/2002 7:46:46 PM PST by Wisconsin
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To: AF68
Bullpups suck. Also, we need to get rid of the 5.56 round and switch to a 6x45mm or 6.5mm round for our rifles and machine guns. Keep 7.62 NATO for medium machine guns though.
20 posted on 11/24/2002 7:48:35 PM PST by Sparta
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To: yonif
A beauty but the .50AE round is too powerful for practical self-defence. Do you have pictures of the Jericho?
21 posted on 11/24/2002 7:50:22 PM PST by Sparta
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To: yonif
I like that one (and the machine gun but Kalifornia has some really annoying gun laws) best. Now what are the retail prices for this nice gun? I am working on a Christmas list....
22 posted on 11/24/2002 7:52:54 PM PST by CARepubGal
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To: nanrod
The laws of physics don't change ...

Yes, but we learn to better master them. Add a laser for targeting and distance measurement and it will make up for quite some length.

23 posted on 11/24/2002 7:53:58 PM PST by ConvictHitlery
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To: Sparta

Upgraded M-60 Tank of the Israel Military Industries

Robot

Jericho JERICHO 941FS


24 posted on 11/24/2002 7:54:17 PM PST by yonif
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To: yonif
Read up on the Sabra(I think that's name of the Israeli-modified M-60). 120mm smoothbore gun, updated armor and electronics, and a more powerful engine. NICE!!!!! Have some pics to treat us with?
25 posted on 11/24/2002 7:57:17 PM PST by Sparta
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To: Sparta

The Sabra Main Battle Tank is a modernised upgraded M60A3, developed by Israel Military Industries Slavin heavy weapons plant at Ramat Hasharon

The Sabra provides a maximum road speed of 48 kmph and accelerates from zero to 32 kmph in 9.6 seconds


26 posted on 11/24/2002 7:59:14 PM PST by yonif
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To: yonif
My .50 cal. target rifle (Black powder)

27 posted on 11/24/2002 8:02:09 PM PST by rockfish59
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To: yonif
Is the Sabra being adopted by the IDF or is it for export only as I read from the late Ian V. Hogg.
28 posted on 11/24/2002 8:04:32 PM PST by Sparta
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To: Sparta
The 6mm PPC would be an equally good choice, too, but I doubt that it's Soviet-designed case would endear it to the military brass in the U.S.
29 posted on 11/24/2002 8:06:45 PM PST by AF68
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To: nanrod
There's nothing wrong with a bullpup, as long as your optics are working. Screw up the optics, drop back to iron sights, and you're screwed.
30 posted on 11/24/2002 8:07:56 PM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: yonif
Looks like it takes Armalite series mags.
31 posted on 11/24/2002 8:09:32 PM PST by Thane_Banquo
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To: Sparta
>Do you have more and also add some tanks, APCs, and other Israeli weapons.

Go here:
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/index.html

and scroll down to the Israeli section.
32 posted on 11/24/2002 8:10:25 PM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: AF68
The 6mm PPC would be an equally good choice, too, but I doubt that it's Soviet-designed case would endear it to the military brass in the U.S.

Can you provide ballistics data on the round. If it's a good round, it wouldn't surprise me if the brass refuse a good weapon just because it's Russian designed. (The Su-35 and newest MiG-29 varients are superior to current US warplanes.)
33 posted on 11/24/2002 8:11:14 PM PST by Sparta
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To: yonif
I've shot the Dessert Eagle .50 semi-auto. Its a monster of a gun.

First time I shot it, I hadn't really had much experience with a semi-auto. I forgot about the slide, and ripped off half my left thumbnail on the first shot (I assume.)

The dang thing had such a kick and concussion, I didn't realize I injured my thumb till the clip was empty and I saw the blood running down my wrist.

34 posted on 11/24/2002 8:19:29 PM PST by Polycarp
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To: AF68
6mm -223 Remington also known as the 6x45mm first made in 1965. nothing more than a necked up 223.
35 posted on 11/24/2002 8:25:33 PM PST by org.whodat
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To: yonif

Johnny 5

36 posted on 11/24/2002 8:25:54 PM PST by KneelBeforeZod
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With the 'plug-in' extended barrel,....looks like a great weapon?
37 posted on 11/24/2002 8:38:31 PM PST by maestro
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To: Sparta
A friend sent me an e mail today which showed a picture of his Freedom Arms .50 AE and a pile of empty cartridge cases that were as large as the revolver and some of the cases were standing up. He's getting in shape in order to use his brand new .500 Limbaugh that's going to be delivered Tuesday.
38 posted on 11/24/2002 8:39:03 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: All
Who says that our Foreign Aid to Isreal is not a productive investment!
39 posted on 11/24/2002 8:41:02 PM PST by Samurai_Jack
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To: yonif
FFFFFFFFFFFFugly!
40 posted on 11/24/2002 8:42:01 PM PST by IronJack
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To: phasma proeliator
Ping
41 posted on 11/24/2002 8:47:24 PM PST by da_toolman
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To: AF68
6mm PPC Soviet designed? I thought the PPC was developed by Ferris Pindell and Dr Louis Palmisano of Palmisano Cartridge Co. As far as I know, it's the most accurate cartrige in the world. Most PPC shooters I know use very accurate micrometers to measure their groups.
42 posted on 11/24/2002 8:51:47 PM PST by templar
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To: Sparta
The Uzi is a reliable SMG, but carrying one is like carrying a steel brick, compared to an MP5.
43 posted on 11/24/2002 8:57:42 PM PST by LouD
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To: yonif
I think it is really cool...but I'll wait for the .338 Ultra Mag version.
44 posted on 11/24/2002 9:39:15 PM PST by alphadog
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To: nanrod
Sight radius is only meaningful on traditional two-part sights. Holographic, red-dot, Reflex, and ACOG type sights eliminate the need for sight radius, and permit greater sighting accuracy in shorter guns.
45 posted on 11/24/2002 10:02:29 PM PST by ctdonath2
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To: Sparta
The hot ticket in across-the-course highpower competition is a cartridge championed by David Tubb that he calls the 6mmX. It will do things at the 600yd line that the 6mm-.223 wildcat just can't approach. The 6mm-.223 wildcat has been tried by many in highpower but never with much success.

I don't know if this cartridge is feasible in a modern rifleman's weapon but you can read about it at http://www.zediker.com/tubb/images/dies/xcdieins1.html

Both the 6mmX and the 6mm PPC have much fatter cases than the .223 and that may be the deal killer from a weapon design standpoint.
46 posted on 11/24/2002 10:19:19 PM PST by SBprone
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we need to get rid of the 5.56 round and switch to a 6x45mm or 6.5mm
You're a man after my own heart! The 6mm or 6.5mm (.243 and .264 cal respectively) would be the perfect balance for an assault rifle. Add in the operating system of the German G-36, and keep the ergonomics and controls of the M16 lower reciever. That would be the perfect assault rifle and we keep the SAW and M-240 because there's simply nothing out there better than those two.
47 posted on 11/24/2002 10:48:35 PM PST by Tailback
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To: Tailback
Oops, to correct my post above the SAW would of course be switched to fire the new caliber.
48 posted on 11/24/2002 10:56:50 PM PST by Tailback
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To: AF68
Yep, the Gallil was a nicer combo. Also, better, is the ROCC conversion upper for the M4, a longstroke piston replacing the infamous powder blow in the system of the M4. This thing just wont jam. A bit expensive though at $1500, but it will save your life. contact bobspc3@earthlink.net I believe if you want info on this. I believe it is for LE right now, but maybe it has changed.
49 posted on 11/25/2002 12:18:50 AM PST by lavaroise
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To: nanrod
The Israelis use red-dot sights. Sight radius is irrelevant.
50 posted on 11/25/2002 12:31:23 AM PST by xm177e2
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