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Sour Economy Can't Stop Tide of Immigrants (California Illegal Immigration Alert)
Sacramento Bee ^ | November 27, 2002 | Michael Doyle, Wash. DC Reporter for the Bee

Posted on 11/27/2002 9:52:18 AM PST by Saundra Duffy

Edited on 04/12/2004 5:46:31 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Sour economy can't stop tide of immigrants 673,000 entered the state in 27 months, a new study finds.

By Michael Doyle -- Bee Washington Bureau Published 2:15 a.m. PST Wednesday, November 27, 2002 WASHINGTON -- An economic slowdown and stringent anti-terrorism measures have not slowed the flow of legal and illegal immigrants into California, a new study concludes.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; illegalimmigration
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What can you say? We're being overrun. If someone doesn't do something SOON, we're doomed. This is frightening. For victory & freedom!!!
1 posted on 11/27/2002 9:52:18 AM PST by Saundra Duffy
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To: Saundra Duffy
California is slowly turning into a third-world country.
2 posted on 11/27/2002 9:53:44 AM PST by lady lawyer
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To: Saundra Duffy
At the very least, it seems like immigration policy should become more restrictive in times of increased unemployment.
3 posted on 11/27/2002 9:54:00 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: Saundra Duffy
And in California it's a well known established fact that illegals can vote and they vote for democrats.
4 posted on 11/27/2002 9:54:03 AM PST by Saundra Duffy
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To: DannyTN
At the very least, it seems like immigration policy should become more restrictive in times of increased unemployment.

Go figure.

5 posted on 11/27/2002 9:55:03 AM PST by Saundra Duffy
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To: lady lawyer
California is slowly turning into a third-world country.

Tell me about it.

6 posted on 11/27/2002 9:55:37 AM PST by Saundra Duffy
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To: lady lawyer
California is slowly turning into a third-world country.

Hmm, that needs a little work. Let's try...

California HAS BECOME a third-world country.

Much better.

7 posted on 11/27/2002 9:57:24 AM PST by Billy_bob_bob
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To: Saundra Duffy
Here's a poem writtenby one of our wonderful immigrants here in Ireland. But it could be a poem written by any immigrant in the western world!

Immigrants from the other perspective ...


* > >> > >> Immigrants Poem
> > >> > >>
* > >> > >> I come for visit, get treated regal,
* > >> > >> So I stay, who care I illegal?
* > >> > >> I cross border, poor and broke,
* > >> > >> Take bus, see employment folk.
> > >> > >>
* > >> > >> Nice man treat me good in there,
* > >> > >> Say I need to see social welfare.
* > >> > >> Welfare say, "You come no more,
* > >> > >> We send plenty cash right to your door."
> > >> > >>
* > >> > >> Welfare cheques, they make you wealthy,
* > >> > >> Southern Health Board, it keep you healthy!
* > >> > >> By and by, I got plenty money,
* > >> > >> Thanks to you, Irish dummy.
> > >> > >>
* > >> > >> Write to friends in motherland,
* > >> > >> Tell them come as fast as you can.
* > >> > >> They come in rags on back of trucks,
* > >> > >> I buy big house with welfare bucks.
> > >> > >>
* > >> > >> They come here, we live together,
* > >> > >> More welfare cheques, it gets better!
* > >> > >> Fourteen families they moving in,
* > >> > >> But neighbour's patience wearing thin.
> > >> > >>
* > >> > >> Finally, white guy moves away,
* > >> > >> Now I buy his house, and then I say,
* > >> > >> "Find more aliens for house to rent."
* > >> > >> And in the yard I put a tent.
> > >> > >>
* > >> > >> Send for family (they just trash),
* > >> > >> But they, too, draw the welfare cash!
* > >> > >> Everything is mucho good,
* > >> > >> And soon we own the neighbourhood.
> > >> > >>
* > >> > >> We have hobby - it's called breeding,
* > >> > >> Welfare pay for baby feeding.
* > >> > >> Kids need dentist? Wife need pills?
* > >> > >> We get free! We got no bills!
> > >> > >>
* > >> > >> Irishman crazy! He pay all year,
* > >> > >> To keep us immigrants in comfort here.
* > >> > >> We think Ireland is very good place!
* > >> > >> Much too good for the white man race.
> > >> > >>
* > >> > >> If they not like us, they can go,
* > >> > >> There's lots of room elsewhere you know..........

8 posted on 11/27/2002 9:58:28 AM PST by Colosis
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To: madfly; Sabertooth; Tancredo Fan; Joe Hadenuf; Tailgunner Joe; MissAmericanPie; Marine Inspector
These new residents are much more likely to be poor and need social services.

ping

9 posted on 11/27/2002 9:58:52 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: Colosis
What an excruciatingly politically incorrect poem. I love it!
10 posted on 11/27/2002 9:59:50 AM PST by Saundra Duffy
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To: Saundra Duffy
Importing poverty helps keep up short term profits for some industries, and increases our taxes. Progress!
11 posted on 11/27/2002 10:00:34 AM PST by Shermy
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To: Saundra Duffy
Its gotta be the plan...
Fill the country up with the dregs of the third world
Drain the economy
Fill up the prisons
Americans have to give up freedom for security..
America becomes England
America becomes a police state..
NWO wins..game set match
12 posted on 11/27/2002 10:01:50 AM PST by joesnuffy
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To: Saundra Duffy
I hope the Freepers in other than borders states wake up to the fact that YOUR state is going to see this same problem eventually if it's not happening now under your noses. This to me in So Calif is the most pressing issue because it comprises a large extent of the economic problem here. I urge all of the Republicans who support GW with your blinders on to take a minute & understand the consequence to this nation currently & future years, Your country is being highjacked under your nose. Get this administration to STOP IMMIGRATION IMMEDIATELY - not because of your lame party love but for your sovereignity & existance.
13 posted on 11/27/2002 10:02:40 AM PST by Digger
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To: Saundra Duffy
"By Michael Doyle -- Bee Washington Bureau Published 2:15 a.m. PST Wednesday, November 27, 2002 WASHINGTON -- An economic slowdown and stringent anti-terrorism measures have not slowed the flow of legal and illegal immigrants into California, a new study concludes."

This is a no brainer. Stop giving the illegal immigrants citizenship, free medical care, welfare, etc., and they'll stop coming.

14 posted on 11/27/2002 10:03:05 AM PST by Destructor
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To: Saundra Duffy
Here are two new CIS studies, including the above referenced report:

Immigrants in the United States - 2002

Giving Cover to Illegal Aliens IRS Tax ID Numbers Subvert Immigration Law

15 posted on 11/27/2002 10:05:35 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: Shermy
Just think about it. Mexico is such a hell hole that their citizens FLEE IN TERROR to the United States. Now, rather than blaming the country of Mexico (President Fox) for creating such a disgusting, unhealthy, poverty-stricken atmosphere, they blame US for not wanting to take care of all these illegals. It's infuriating. California is a humiliating mess. The voters passed Prop 187 in hopes of fixing the mess but the courts threw it out and now we're worse off than ever. The democrats prosper under this system, however, and since the entire state is run by democrats, there's no hope. The guest worker program (proposed by GOP) would work ONLY IF THE BORDERS ARE CONTROLLED. Until the borders are secure - and looks like they never will be - we're doomed.
16 posted on 11/27/2002 10:05:40 AM PST by Saundra Duffy
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To: Digger
Get this administration to STOP IMMIGRATION IMMEDIATELY - not because of your lame party love but for your sovereignity & existance.

I'm afraid you're right, FReeper pal.

17 posted on 11/27/2002 10:07:37 AM PST by Saundra Duffy
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To: Saundra Duffy
The game is really very simple, and as a result the solution to the problem is also simple. Our government has turned against its citizens and is working to destroy us. They tax us and use the tax money to bring in third world immigrants to destroy our neighborhoods and cities. No amount of protesting or complaining will stop it, and it usually serves to make things even worse.

The solution is obvious. Quit working so hard to get ahead. If everyone who worked hard to get ahead gave up, and instead only worked just enough to just get by, then pretty soon the tax receipts for the government go down to almost nothing. They won't have enough to pay the people already on the payroll, let alone bring in even more.

We can't fight them, we can't plead with them, we can't protest, letters to the editor do no good, and if you raise a finger against then you go to prison for the rest of your life. Therefore there is only one effective way to fight back against this system. Give up!

Quit working, quit paying taxes. Find tax free cash income ways to make your money, or just make sure to make so little that you end up paying nothing in taxes. That is the game and that is the solution. No need for bloodshed, strife or rioting in the streets. Just simply withdrawing from the rolls of those who pay taxes by reducing your income to the bare minimum. That's it. If a majority of the productive do this, then this out of control monster beast of a government will be starved into submission. This is what I have done, and this is my suggestion to the rest of you.
18 posted on 11/27/2002 10:08:05 AM PST by Billy_bob_bob
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To: Saundra Duffy; Victoria Delsoul; Marine Inspector; FITZ; Ajnin; Pelham; Travis McGee; sarcasm; ...
Camarota concluded that immigrants, legal and illegal, and their newborn children account for essentially all of the 872,000-person increase in California's population since the 2000 census. These new residents are much more likely to be poor and need social services.

Gray Davis had been Governor that entire time, and George Bush has been President for most of it.

Neither have been particularly helpful.




19 posted on 11/27/2002 10:09:17 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Destructor
Stop giving the illegal immigrants citizenship, free medical care, welfare, etc., and they'll stop coming.

But this is CALIFORNIA, pal, where the democrats rule the roost. It's hopeless.

20 posted on 11/27/2002 10:10:07 AM PST by Saundra Duffy
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To: Saundra Duffy
Two words: Taxpayer Revolt!
21 posted on 11/27/2002 10:11:15 AM PST by Destructor
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To: Saundra Duffy
Agreed.

I don't understand Bush's "alleged" support of this amnesty. Don't most Mexican-Americans vote Democratic? Why would Bush want 3 million more Democratic voters? There's no logic here. Just the appeasement of Vincente Fox, and for what?


22 posted on 11/27/2002 10:15:42 AM PST by Weimdog
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To: Saundra Duffy
You want to make your voices heard where it counts? Go to NumbersUSA.com and register. From there you can fax your representatives and the White House and tell them to stop the pandering to illegals. It's quick and very easy to do. They e-mail you when important issues are on the table so you can fax away. If everyone here on FR did that maybe we could have one strong solid voice. As the saying goes the sqeaky wheel gets the oil.
23 posted on 11/27/2002 10:27:28 AM PST by Chi-Town Lady
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To: Colosis
Question: Was this the poem that some Colorado state employee forwarded to some co-workers and he got fired for it?
24 posted on 11/27/2002 10:28:06 AM PST by NEWwoman
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To: Saundra Duffy
On the Channel 7 Eyewitness News last night, they had a story about people jumping the border from Mexico to the US. All the promos mentioned "people willing to risk their lives to come here," (we're supposed to feel sympathy,) and the promos also promised that the segment would talk about what this means for our security. Well, the actual segment said NOTHING about our security. For one thing, it stated that there are four million illegals in this country, and we all know the number is much bigger than that. Plus the piece was a total sob story, talking about women and children left behind in Mexico who are just desperate to be with their loved ones in America, but the poor things are just terrified to cross the border because we mean Americans make things so tough for them. They interviewed a teenage boy who's living in a shelter in Mexico because his parents snuck over the border, and he wants to jump the border himself but is so afraid, boo hoo. Not one word was said about how his parents CHOSE to jump the border, and what all of this means for Americans and legal immigrants, our security, our safety, our taxes, etc., etc. We're just supposed to feel sorry for these people. I'm so sick of this. How about some sob stories about Americans being driven from their homes, robbed, raped, or killed? How about a sob story about American kids robbed of their educations because they have to go to dangerous, overcrowded schools where Spanish speakers are catered to? No. We are only supposed to feel sorry for the illegals.
26 posted on 11/27/2002 10:42:28 AM PST by Nea Wood
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To: Weimdog
Weimdog,

Mexicans tend to vote democratic, so no help there.
Business owners, who tend toward conservatism, love the cheap labor.

So the taxpayer gets screwed. We've been sold out folks.
27 posted on 11/27/2002 10:47:31 AM PST by Desecrated
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To: Weimdog
The appeasement is to the "Two-Party Cartel" puppetiers. These elites run the show in both parties & keep their kind in power.
28 posted on 11/27/2002 10:47:46 AM PST by Digger
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To: Billy_bob_bob
I don't blame you for "giving up" but I just can't do that due to family concerns. But God bless you. For victory & freedom!!!
29 posted on 11/27/2002 11:01:00 AM PST by Saundra Duffy
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To: Sabertooth
Gray Davis had been Governor that entire time, and George Bush has been President for most of it. Neither have been particularly helpful.

You're right, pal.

30 posted on 11/27/2002 11:02:17 AM PST by Saundra Duffy
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To: Chi-Town Lady
NumbersUSA.com - I'll sign up. Thanks!
31 posted on 11/27/2002 11:04:06 AM PST by Saundra Duffy
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To: Nea Wood
Like I said - President Fox needs to improve the conditions in his country so that his citizens can be proud to be called Mexican citizens. Good grief!
32 posted on 11/27/2002 11:06:15 AM PST by Saundra Duffy
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To: Saundra Duffy
Be sure to mention this to all your friends, neighbors, co-workers and family too. We can never have enough people making noise about this serious situation.
33 posted on 11/27/2002 11:06:40 AM PST by Chi-Town Lady
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To: Saundra Duffy
I wish someone with a bit of time and the necessary research skills would post the Federal penalties/guidelines to employers who are caught hiring Illegals.

If these employers were 'outed' within their communities, if they looked out their front window some lunch-time to see informed citizens with signs parading up and down their sidewalks, I'll bet the Illegal faces and the phoney ssn's would disappear in a hurry.

34 posted on 11/27/2002 11:07:40 AM PST by CIBvet
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To: Desecrated
So the taxpayer gets screwed. We've been sold out folks.

You're right. Gov. Davis is calling a special session of the Legislature to deal with the budget mess. But do you think for one minute they will DEAL WITH THE PROBLEMS ASSOCIATED WITH ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION?! Oh, no!!! They'll do everything but that. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

35 posted on 11/27/2002 11:08:28 AM PST by Saundra Duffy
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To: CIBvet
I wish someone with a bit of time and the necessary research skills would post the Federal penalties/guidelines to employers who are caught hiring Illegals.

Hate speech! Hate speech!

36 posted on 11/27/2002 11:12:44 AM PST by Saundra Duffy
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To: Sabertooth
Neither have been particularly helpful.

That's an understatement!

37 posted on 11/27/2002 11:15:53 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: Saundra Duffy
Then here is what you can do. Do you have any skills such as auto repair or baking or sewing or anything like that? Do you have a neighbor who has a skill that you need? Can you trade with them? Welcome to the wonderful world of barter, where real value gets created and exchanged without ol' Uncle Sam taking his cut. The time you spend working to create value for a barter transaction is time you spend creating wealth that isn't going to be used against you, unlike the wealth you create when you are "on the clock" and paying taxes. You know, those taxes that get given to illegal immigrants? Get the idea?

Start small, and keep your eyes open for opportunities to trade and barter with other people. You would be amazed at some of the opportunities that can present themselves. The more you make happen for yourself, the more your friends and neighbors will take interest and soon they will want to trade and barter as well. This is a natural human response to oppressive taxes, most people just havn't seen any alternatives yet. The more people break out of the system, the easier it becomes for even more people to break out of the system. Eventually the system collapses under its own weight, and hopefully we can build something sane in its place.

Or, we could all continue to slave away for Corporate America, having our wages confiscated by the government while our company imports government subsidized H1-B's for us to train as our replacements. Oh, such wonderful loyalty is shown by Corporate America to those who have served it for decades! Almost as much loyalty as is shown to us by our government who keeps bringing in millions of immigrants each and every year, even though every single poll that has been taken for the last ten years has shown a solid majority of citizens are against any more immigration whatsoever. Just kinda brings a lump to the ol' throat to think about it all.

38 posted on 11/27/2002 11:17:28 AM PST by Billy_bob_bob
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To: Saundra Duffy
We'll need customs agents at the CA border. Wouldn't that be a hoot! But that isn't what's important. What's important is that Poindexter needs to investigate every citizen's purchasing algarythms.
39 posted on 11/27/2002 11:18:35 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March
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To: Nea Wood
All the promos mentioned "people willing to risk their lives to come here," (we're supposed to feel sympathy,)

We can have pity ---it's just an emotion but it's no solution. We can make it easier for them, we could provide buses and planes for them to come over in more comfort but it solves not a single problem for either country. The real answer would be for Mexico to make the changes it must make and people can have a good life in their own country.

40 posted on 11/27/2002 11:29:27 AM PST by FITZ
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To: Billy_bob_bob
Welcome to the wonderful world of barter, where real value gets created and exchanged without ol' Uncle Sam taking his cut.

I love it!

41 posted on 11/27/2002 11:52:33 AM PST by Saundra Duffy
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To: FITZ
The real answer would be for Mexico to make the changes it must make and people can have a good life in their own country.

My sentiments exactly. For victory & freedom!!!

42 posted on 11/27/2002 11:54:08 AM PST by Saundra Duffy
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To: Billy_bob_bob
[Quit working, quit paying taxes. Find tax free cash income ways to make your money, or just make sure to make so little that you end up paying nothing in taxes. That is the game and that is the solution. ]

That is my plan. Of course, we plan to move out of Texas to hopefully another state. It will have to be a much poorer state - one that has nothing an illegal could want - no semblence of jobs, I mean.

We intend to get back to raising our food, we did all the years our children were growing up, make just enough money to get buy and enjoy life.

Let's let the government figure out how to support them.

Dropping out of the 'system of servitude' is the only way to do it. WE can no longer fight it.

43 posted on 11/27/2002 12:08:10 PM PST by nanny
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To: Digger
Let's face it, they ain't gonna stop immigration. We got the Mexican's for labor. We got the Pak's and Indian's for tech. What the hell do we need a bunch of rebellious American's for? Especially white American's. The way things are going though, I'd be suprised if we don't have a little civil war here sooner or later. Maybe that's why they added all the whiz-bang new gun restrictions to the Fatherland Defense Act.
44 posted on 11/27/2002 12:29:06 PM PST by dljordan
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To: Digger
The freepers in those other states don't care and they LOVE immigrants...*sigh*....I keep arguing...

And Bush/Karl Rove keep letting them in!
45 posted on 11/27/2002 12:30:43 PM PST by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: Billy_bob_bob
Things I've bartered for and recieved.

Extensive electrical work on my house.
Extensive landscaping.
24" enclosed car trailer.
Hi end pool table.
Complete brand new shed (big one).
Automobile.
2 trips to Curacao.

I try my hardest not to give the Gub-mint MY HARD EARNED MONEY only to have them give it away on social welfare, foreign aid including underwriting loans that are later turned into "grants", corporate welfare etc.....

I'm way ahead of you pal :)

46 posted on 11/27/2002 12:40:38 PM PST by taxed2death
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To: lady lawyer
California is slowly turning into a third-world country.

That turn was about four years ago.

47 posted on 11/27/2002 12:47:03 PM PST by slimer
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
Sorry, you are wrong on that score. If you ever bothered to look at Drill Alaskas' map, you would know the whole west coast is affected.
You may think we don't care, but we do, we take action, thro numbersusa.com, emailing news articles to our prez, senators, and represenatives. I have 23, live, honest to goodnes, hard working, people who I send free faxes for.They donot have computers, and it is ok to sign them in on your personal computer. When you sign in, email them and ask them how you can add your family members, neighbors, friends. I have a sister that faxes for 6 other people.
I sent a free fax to the gov of Calif objecting to the signing of the bill for drivers license for illegals. When he did'nt sign it, sent another one thanking him for not signing. it is like a cancer,slowly eating its' way all over the US. Let me know when you get 23 signed in on your computer to send faxes for, then I will forgive your remark about people in other states do not care. lol
48 posted on 11/27/2002 1:13:54 PM PST by calawah98
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To: Saundra Duffy
They are importing not only poverty, but racism and terrorism. This government is not working for us, it's become very obvious it's working for some destructive entity, but it is not working for us.
49 posted on 11/27/2002 1:32:41 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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