Posted on 11/27/2002 12:34:20 PM PST by narses
Edited on 04/13/2004 2:08:37 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
What I do notice is Rome's apparent willingness to compromise the teachings of the Holy Bible by ecumenically accepting whomever generic "god" is out there for the sake of harmony. Worshipping other "gods" is clearly verboten in the Christian Bible as I'm sure you are aware of.
To be frank, praying with or to Islam's "god", or even with the Dalai Lama, as the Pope has done in the past is an obvious abomination...
BTW,would Christ Himself pray to a Roman's god?
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The Pope prays with Imams frequently. Do you, like the ultra-trads around here, think he's apostate?
I don't know what's getting into some of my fellow Catholics around here. Why do we pray that "All may be One" and then never go out to meet other people where they are?
Cardinal Law is imitating John Paul II, and all of us would do well to do the same.
Correct me if I'm wrong -- there is ONLY one God, is there not? Or do the "gods" the Hindus, the Buddhists, and the Taoists worship Jesus Christ as well?
Christ didn't make distinctions; He knew that His Father was God of ALL.
How does praying to the One God compromise Biblical teaching?
Yes.
Or do the "gods" the Hindus, the Buddhists, and the Taoists worship Jesus Christ as well?
I don't understand the question.
Let me be more clear -- would Jesus Christ approve of praying to other "gods" as Cardinal Law had, and as the Pope has?
Moreover, if "Allah" is not THE one and only God of the Holy Bible, who's authority does he represent, and why pray to a false deity?
He's happy with anybody who prays to His Father, I'd wager.
Moreover, if "Allah" is not THE one and only God of the Holy Bible, who's authority does he represent, and why pray to a false deity?
Muslims pray to Allah as God. He is the God of their Koran.
Praying to God with a Muslim does not mean I am a Muslim, or that I believe in the Koran.
It means I am praying to God with a fellow human being who is also praying to God.
How could that be a terrible thing?
I'm glad to hear that you're such a supporter of JPII, sinkspur. Next time you want to toss around charges of apostacy, you may want to review some of Wojtyla's writings on marriage. Try his Love and Responsibility, for starters. I'm tempted to think that anyone, who, in this day in age, still advocates for more leniency in the Church's teachings regarding the sacramentality of marriage is a complete fool. At any rate, he has no right to the claim of being a practicing Catholic. And I don't give a rat's ass if he studied for years in a seminary or spends hours each week counseling prospective brides and grooms. Why don't you do them a favor and shut the hell up?
Furthermore, such actions strengthen the cause of Islam in America by giving the impression that Christianity is a religion for the weak and faithless. Can you imagine a Muslim imam bowing before a Crucifix in a Christian church? Hell, no -- his congregation would burn him as a heretic before his feet hit the sidewalk outside the church! And why? Because, unlike Christians, Muslims sincerely believe that their faith is the one and only true religion, and consider any disrespect shown to it -- however slight or well-intentioned -- a direct insult to God. This is perhaps the only redeeming aspect of the Muslim faith: they'd rather die than see their God insulted.
I deeply love and respect our Pope. I believe him to be an infallible teacher of faith and morals. But he was wrong to kiss the Koran (if he did indeed do so), for the same reasons Law was wrong to bow down to Allah. If Allah is just another name for the God of Abraham, there is hope that many Muslims can be saved -- but through Christ's Mercy alone. If any Muslims do make it to heaven, it will be in spite of -- not because of -- their Islamic faith.
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No. Why don't you get off your ass and counsel some engaged couples yourself?
I don't teach anything contrary to Catholic doctrine. As to my ruminations about marriage, I said they were ruminations.
You really ought to relax. It's Thanksgiving, and you're on the verge of a conniption fit.
BTW, someone else accused Law of apostasy, and I was defending Law.
I never accused anyone of apostasy.
No he doesn't. He's just praying with Muslims.
Can you imagine a Muslim imam bowing before a Crucifix in a Christian church? Hell, no -- his congregation would burn him as a heretic before his feet hit the sidewalk outside the church! And why? Because, unlike Christians, Muslims sincerely believe that their faith is the one and only true religion, and consider any disrespect shown to it -- however slight or well-intentioned -- a direct insult to God. This is perhaps the only redeeming aspect of the Muslim faith: they'd rather die than see their God insulted.
God is not "insulted" when two people of different faiths pray to Him. If Muslims believe that, then they have a very childish view of God.
How is it an insult to God to pray alongside another person who is praying? I just don't see it.
The Pharisees used to hand-wring when Jesus ate with sinners, but He did it anyway. He wasn't approving of their lifestyles, was He? He was loving them, since He knew He would die for them.
Standing in the corner and tut-tutting while two people, one Christian, one Muslim, pray to God seems silly to me.
-- because it is a false, wicked, and antichristian religion.
Please note: I said that
not that I hate Muslims. I bear those deluded by the Mohammedan heresy no ill will, and I pray that they somehow are led away from the lie of Mohammed to the Truth of
and thus find their way to Heaven.
But we're not going to lead them there by grovelling in their temples. We're going to lead them to Heaven by shoving the Cross right in their faces and telling them over and over again that there is only one Way to Heaven: Christ, and Him Crucified.
I don't hate anybody, Sinkspur. I hope all of us sinners find the Grace we need to make it to Heaven. I pray that Muslims somehow find Christ and live forever with Him. But as for Islam, I give it the same big fat flying finger I give every other false faith that lies, distorts, and denies the Truth of Jesus Christ. Many Muslims are good, moral, and rightous people, but the Muslim faith is just another lie from the Pit of Lies, and it is my sincerest wish that Islam disappear from the knowledge and memory of Man as soon as possible.
Happy Thanksgiving, by the way.
It might have been tolerable had Cardinal Law prayed to God through Christ Our Lord alongside the imam as he prayed to Allah, in some other venue. But Cardinal Law bowed low to Allah, as a Muslim would, in a mosque. If this is not giving assent to Islam, then what is?
In your mind, maybe not.
But in God's view, you simply do not know.
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