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Mexican trucks to circulate freely in U.S.
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Posted on 11/27/2002 6:17:14 PM PST by ambrose

Mexican trucks to circulate freely in U.S.

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Washington, D.C., U.S., November 27, 2002 (EFE) - The U.S. government will allow the free circulation of Mexican trucks in its territory starting in January under a directive signed Wednesday by Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta.


"President (George W.) Bush has made good on his commitment to open the border to international trucking and cross-border regular route bus service. This will help increase trade between our countries," said a statement issued by Mineta.


The Transportation Department will review applications filed by 130 Mexican passenger and cargo transportation companies seeking to operate in the United States.


The companies will undergo security inspections and will be required to get insurance and make maintenance arrangements with U.S. firms. Their drivers will also be subjected to periodic drug and alocohol testing.


This provision will lift the last restrictions imposed on Mexican trucking and represents compliance with the terms of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) signed by Canada, the United States and Mexico in 1994.


Under pressure from U.S. trucking unions, President Bill Clinton's 1992-2000 administration kept out Mexican trucks, citing safety concerns.


Currently, Mexican trucks are allowed on U.S. roads only within a narrow strip 35 kilometers (21 miles) of the border.


According to official data, 4.3 million entries and departures were recorded last year along the common border. EFE




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1 posted on 11/27/2002 6:17:14 PM PST by ambrose
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To: DoughtyOne
ping
2 posted on 11/27/2002 6:17:48 PM PST by ambrose
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To: ambrose
That's just GREAT...


4 posted on 11/27/2002 6:21:34 PM PST by crypt2k
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To: crypt2k
I suspect more behind the scenes. Suddenly the Russians, French, and Germans all seem to be more amenable. My guess is that George and Vincente made some oil supply agreements.

Saddam should duck.
5 posted on 11/27/2002 6:29:33 PM PST by CruisinAround
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To: CruisinAround
- The U.S. government will allow the free circulation of Mexican trucks in its territory starting in January under a directive signed Wednesday by Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta.

Ghee would anyone expect any less of Mineta.

Easily one of the most dangerous people in D.C.

6 posted on 11/27/2002 6:36:24 PM PST by Pee_Oui
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To: ambrose
Will these drivers have American insurance? Hope so, we'll never be able to collect from a Mexican company. Will these drivers be required to read our road signs? The signs are in English. Oh no, they'll want bilingual signs. Will these drivers have to take driving tests issued by America to be sure they understand the rules of our roads? NAAAHHH. Anything for Vicente. In addition to the regular cargo, also look forward to loads of drugs and illegal aliens. Just what we need.
7 posted on 11/27/2002 6:38:24 PM PST by janetgreen
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To: Pee_Oui
This is part of our new security arrangements. Bin and Saddam should be able to get one of their n-bombs delivered right to the front door.
8 posted on 11/27/2002 6:42:45 PM PST by meenie
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To: janetgreen
They have to have US approved insurance. They have to keep a log book. They have to enter thru an inspection station(there are 12 in Texas). They have to undergo drug and alcohol testing. Everything was written into the DOT appropriations bill earlier this year by Patty Murry(D-WA).
9 posted on 11/27/2002 6:54:18 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: meenie

10 posted on 11/27/2002 6:55:12 PM PST by spycatcher
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To: ambrose
This is a job for, 'Mr. Barf', of Homeland Security!
11 posted on 11/27/2002 7:01:30 PM PST by maestro
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To: ambrose
Has Bush lost his freakin' mind?! I live in Southern California and these guys driving these trucks are a menace. There have been many accidents here involving these guys.
12 posted on 11/27/2002 7:06:38 PM PST by disgruntledinCa
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To: ambrose
You guys are in for a real treat. I live near a port and the agressive driving of truck drivers is unbelievable ( Mexican and American). Not all (but most) act like they own the highway. CD
13 posted on 11/27/2002 7:16:50 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: disgruntledinCa
Has Bush lost his freakin' mind?! I live in Southern California and these guys driving these trucks are a menace. There have been many accidents here involving these guys.

Never mind all that, it's cool, it's part of the secret Republican plan.

14 posted on 11/27/2002 7:19:32 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Joe Hadenuf
The arbitration panel ruled on this long ago. The US is in violation of NAFTA. The refusal to let these trucks in would be a "Takings". The damages have already been set at $2 billion per year and since this is already 2 years old it is $4 billion coming up on $6 billion.

Yes, the US can set standards and they have. It was taken care of in the DOT appropriations bill earlier this year. The inspection stations are all built and staffed.

15 posted on 11/27/2002 7:35:01 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: ambrose
The companies will undergo security inspections and will be required to get insurance and make maintenance arrangements with U.S. firms. Their drivers will also be subjected to periodic drug and alocohol testing.

They can already go a couple of miles inside the country. I do hope that all trucks, regardless of country, are inspected for safety and illegals.

My law: If a Mexican truck is the cause of an accident/smuggles drugs/smuggles illegals, driver goes to jail for vehicular manslaughter/criminal negligence, company pays all expenses involved + $50,000 minimum fine(collected by tarrif/seizure of goods from company), Mexico pays for jailed driver and any others we wish to detain. Same for any countries trucks.

16 posted on 11/27/2002 7:36:24 PM PST by pulaskibush
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To: ambrose
The companies will undergo security inspections and will be required to get insurance and make maintenance arrangements with U.S. firms. Their drivers will also be subjected to periodic drug and alocohol testing.

LOL, just so long as the big players get a piece of the action...vive el Presidente!

17 posted on 11/27/2002 7:37:32 PM PST by Pistias
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To: Ben Ficklin
F-ing insanity.............
18 posted on 11/27/2002 7:41:22 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Joe Hadenuf
DOT requirements on Mexican trucks and buses.
19 posted on 11/27/2002 7:41:59 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: pulaskibush
We cannot get sthem to return water they have taken from us, why would you expect them to pay for a wreck??
20 posted on 11/27/2002 7:42:09 PM PST by BooBoo1000
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To: ambrose
Another step to AMerica becoming Mexico with lowered standards. Mexico is a sewer, so why are we trying to be like them by allowing them to be us??
21 posted on 11/27/2002 7:42:43 PM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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To: Ben Ficklin
In a little while, you will be labeled a reconquista, and blamed for the fall of Western civilization.
22 posted on 11/27/2002 7:47:41 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Ben Ficklin
DOT requirements on Mexican trucks and buses.

LOL Hahahahah...........Boy, they are really gunna be clapin down huh?????????????? Oh yeah!!!!!!!!!!

23 posted on 11/27/2002 7:51:57 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Its Ronald Reagan's fault, he started it all.
24 posted on 11/27/2002 7:52:53 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: BooBoo1000
I would seize their other trucks the second they crossed the border by the military that would also be patroling the for migrants in the desert. They would either pay or not do business in America. As for the water, we should have only given them the water we agreed to when they gave us the water they agreed to on a monthly basis. They don't meet the requirement a month, the spicket goes off. Of course, I wouldn't have dealt with them in the first place. I would have used our own water and let them use theirs.

In addition to putting military on the border, deporting illegals, punishing companies that hire illegals, etc. we need to demand that the US seize Mexican assets here to pay for the many Mexican criminals we jail and for the emergency healthcare, and for truck accidents, etc.

The whole reason the Mexican "government" is pushing an illegal immigrant agenda is so that they can stuff their pockets, and not have to provide the opportunities that a nation is suppose to provide for its people.

25 posted on 11/27/2002 8:01:21 PM PST by pulaskibush
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To: Joe Hadenuf
So secret even they don't know what it is.
26 posted on 11/27/2002 9:27:56 PM PST by willyone
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To: ambrose
I saw it. I recognize it for what it is. So do you. The fifth columnists will now praise Bush and damn any "devil" that doesn't bow on bended knee. American citizens, whole families of them will die as a result of this, thanks to the NAFTA SHAFTA!

When trucks were required to dump loads within a few miles of the border, it forced people on our side of the border to handle the cargo to transfer it to another truck. Now the 98% of the trucks whose cargos are not checked at the border will be able to truck anything they like, sight unseen to any location in the United States.

This isn't a war on terrorism, it's terrorism personified on the citizens of the United States with help from the top leaders of this nation.

You fifth columnists out there, don't even bother talking to me. Stick it where the sun don't shine.

27 posted on 11/27/2002 11:50:50 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
Now the 98% of the trucks whose cargos are not checked at the border will be able to truck anything they like, sight unseen to any location in the United States.

Will we see a drop in the "street price" of heroin and cocaine?

28 posted on 11/27/2002 11:57:58 PM PST by sarcasm
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To: sarcasm
Why the hell should I care? Four hundred and thirty some-odd Congressmen, 100 Senators and one Presdent don't. More than half the folks on this forum don't. George Putnam used to say "a fish rots from the head." I'll be damned if this nation hasn't turned into the rottenest carp I've ever seen. Signed, Thuroughly disgusted!
29 posted on 11/28/2002 12:13:46 AM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
Some around here would claim that such a drop would be an example of the free market in action.
30 posted on 11/28/2002 12:17:21 AM PST by sarcasm
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To: DoughtyOne
Congressman Tarcenedo was on John & Ken the other day. He said the Republicans won't do anything about this because they want cheap labor. The Democrats won't because they want new voters. It really is a bi-partisan conspiracy. Well, conspiracy isn't the word, because this is all out in the open. Like you said, very few people care.
31 posted on 11/28/2002 12:19:57 AM PST by ambrose
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To: ambrose
The U.S. Undersecretary of Agriculture admits that it's about "cheap" labor:

"It's my sense," Penn said, "that there is a distinct labor shortage at a given price in the U.S. farming and food industry

32 posted on 11/28/2002 12:29:28 AM PST by sarcasm
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To: sarcasm
Probably so.
33 posted on 11/28/2002 1:08:12 AM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: ambrose
I agree with him.
34 posted on 11/28/2002 1:08:31 AM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
Want to wager that trucking companies are soon going to find a labor shortage at given price in the near future?
35 posted on 11/28/2002 1:19:47 AM PST by sarcasm
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To: DoughtyOne
http://www.cerrell.com/releases/a015rel.html

SCAG To Take Its Case To Mexico

El Centro Councilman David Dhillon, Los Alamitos Mayor Pro Tem Ron Bates, Buena Park Mayor Art Brown
to Brief Fox Administration on Project for Immigrant Lives,
Southwest Compact

Los Angeles, CA - A delegation of local elected leaders representing the Southern California Association of Governments (SCAG) will travel to Mexico City, Mexico for a series of meetings with key officials in the Fox administration, formally establishing contact and developing relationships for future collaborative opportunities for the Project for Immigrant Lives, North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), and the Southwest Compact. The SCAG delegation includes Los Alamitos Mayor Pro Tem Ron Bates, SCAG president; El Centro City Councilman David Dhillon, chair of SCAG’s Project for Immigrant Lives; Buena Park Mayor Art Brown, Chair of SCAG’s NAFTA Subcommittee and its Goods Movement Advisory Committee; Bruce DeVine, SCAG chief economist; and Eddie Tafoya, SCAG government relations staff.

“This trip is an excellent opportunity for us to build bridges between Southern California and the new president’s administration in Mexico,” said Mayor Pro Tem Bates. “We see ourselves in a unique position to deal with a number of matters of common interest and concern to our respective constituents, and we look forward to initiating a constructive, long-lasting dialogue.”

“The ongoing tragedy of immigrant deaths is a matter of tremendous concern on both sides of the border and, since its formation, the Project for Immigrant Lives has been working closely with the Mexican Consulate,” said El Centro Councilman Dhillon. “We are excited to have an opportunity to discuss the Project’s accomplishments and ongoing initiatives with the Fox administration, and we hope to find new areas in which our respective governments can work together to prevent these horrible tragedies. It is imperative that we determine how we can best continue working with the Mexican government to overcome this dilemma, and develop comprehensive, long-term solutions together.”

Responding to a long-standing invitation from Mexican officials, the SCAG delegation is scheduled to meet with the Secretary of Foreign Relations; the Ministry of Foreign Affairs; the Ministry of Interior; the Secretary of Communications and Transportation; and the “Border Czar” (a newly appointed position). The delegation will use a number of the meetings to bring widespread attention to the continuing problem of illegal immigrants dying as they enter the United States through California’s southeastern deserts. Working with the U.S. Border Patrol, El Centro Sector, and the Mexican Consulate, the Project is undertaking extensive efforts to stem the tide of immigration through the Southeastern deserts and eliminate tragic deaths caused by drowning and other hazards faced by illegal immigrants crossing the border.

The Project for Immigrant Lives, established in January 1999, is comprised of elected officials, law enforcement personnel, medical experts, business and religious leaders, the Mexican Consulate, and other interested citizens from the affected areas. The Project’s efforts in 1999 and 2000 helped achieve a dramatic 57 percent reduction in drowning deaths, a 38 percent reduction in heat-related casualties, and a 30 percent overall decrease in fatalities for fiscal year 1999.

Additionally, the SCAG delegation will be meeting with the Secreteria de Economia, the office responsible for NAFTA, to discuss ongoing efforts to implement the historic trade agreement reached between the United States and Mexico in 1993. There will also be preliminary efforts to promote economic development, encourage transportation infrastructure improvements, and engage public and private organizations in Mexico to promote the Southwest Compact. This is a series of cooperative economic developments along a proposed east-west trade corridor between California and Texas near the Mexican border (generally following Interstates 8 and 10) long advocated by SCAG.

“As we move forward into the 21st century, international trade will become an even more critical element of the Southern California economy, and we need to continue working closely with our colleagues in Mexico,” said Mayor Art Brown. “We see these meetings as important not only in terms of efforts to maximize economic opportunity on both sides of the border, but also to remain focused on such related issues as transportation infrastructure, truck safety and other areas of mutual interest or potential future collaboration.”

“We need to begin working now with our Mexican counterparts – as well as with the political and business leadership of Southern California and our neighboring states – to make the Southwest Compact a reality,” added Councilman Dhillon.

Any individuals or organizations interested in learning more about the Project for Immigrant Lives or participating in its upcoming activities may call Arnold San Miguel of SCAG at 909/784-1513. For more information about the Southwest Compact, please call Bruce DeVine, SCAG chief economist, at 213/236-1903.

February 8, 2001

Contact: Jeff Lustgarten at 323/466-3445

36 posted on 11/28/2002 5:08:33 AM PST by madfly
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To: DoughtyOne
Southwest Compact, SCAG, more keywords from the trade-ers.

Southwest border initiative offers Northwest lessons

37 posted on 11/28/2002 5:11:26 AM PST by madfly
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To: ambrose
Now I wonder if shippers will use Mexican ports then truck goods up?

Will this affect business at American ports?
38 posted on 11/28/2002 5:19:53 AM PST by oceanperch
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To: meenie
For sure!
39 posted on 11/28/2002 5:22:18 AM PST by oceanperch
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To: Ben Ficklin
Since when does Mexico follow American rules.

They can have requirements untill the cows come home does not mean they will follow through.

They should write the DOt requirements in the top four languages just like the handy instructions that come with so many gadgets now a days.
40 posted on 11/28/2002 5:28:45 AM PST by oceanperch
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To: Ben Ficklin
You are a reconquita and are at fault for the downward spiral of western civilization! LOL
41 posted on 11/28/2002 5:31:57 AM PST by oceanperch
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To: sarcasm
No probably the oppisite.
The truckers will be paying for insurance and blame that on price increase just as they have blamed rising prices on the drug war.
42 posted on 11/28/2002 5:36:12 AM PST by oceanperch
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To: oceanperch
Another thing that is not mentioned on any of the Mexican truck threads is the back haul.

These Mexis can't do interstate hauling. International only. This would put serious limitations on their profitability because the further away from the border they get, the harder it would be to find a backhaul and without a backhaul, there is no profit.

To solve this problem, the Mexis had to develop relationships with US trucking firms. In other words, US trucking companies have bought into Mexican trucking companies. Usually at the 50% level. Although I don't know any specifics, it is likely that some Mexican trucking companies have bought into US companies.

And this is part of the rub. These US companies that made the investment in contemplation of phase-in of NAFTA trucking regs were denied the chance to make a profit on that investment. But the Teamsters benefitted.

This whole thing is just another pile of dog doo that Clinton left behind for Bush to clean-up.

43 posted on 11/28/2002 6:02:40 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin; DoughtyOne; TigersEye; Marine Inspector; grania; flamefront; knighthawk; ...
Don't be too sure.

http://www.carlisle.army.mil/usassi/ssipubs/pubs2002/21cntury/21cntury.pdf

. . . I think we shortchange ourselves in our own hemisphere from not paying more attention beyond the Free Trade Area of the Americas, which obviously is very important.1
Rep. Robert Menendez (D-NJ)

We seek not just neighbors but strong partners. We seek not just progress but shared prosperity. With persistence and courage, we shaped the last century into an American century. With leadership and commitment, this can be the century of the Americas…. Should I become president, I will look south, not as an afterthought, but as a fundamental commitment to my presidency.2
Gov. George W. Bush (R-TX)

Introduction and Significant Trends.
Each century there are few opportunities for a major power—such as the United States—to make a monumental change in grand strategy for an important region of the world. Today, the nation states of the Western Hemisphere possess a fleeting moment to create a new community. Regionalism is on the rise around the world and in the Americas, and with it comes new ways of interacting economically, politically, socially, and militarily. States devote considerable thought and planning to economic issues, particularly trade, but precious little has been devoted to the security cooperation imperative that arises from these other integration areas.


44 posted on 11/28/2002 8:51:51 AM PST by madfly
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To: madfly
Even Clinton thought more of the lives of Americans and our sovereignty to allow this to happen. Now it will be a non-stop flood of wretched illegal aliens and drugs. I hear that only a handful of these rolling invasion machines will be inspected. This is an outrage. Mexico is far more dangerous than Iraq.



45 posted on 11/28/2002 9:07:00 AM PST by Tancredo Fan
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To: Tancredo Fan
It's both parties. This involves NAFTA and FTAA. Please don't say nice things about Clinton, lol.

The main reason I am a recovering, er, recovered liberal and New Conservative because of his and her lies.

46 posted on 11/28/2002 9:11:43 AM PST by madfly
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To: Tancredo Fan
It's both parties. This involves NAFTA and FTAA. Please don't say nice things about Clinton, lol.

The main reason I am a recovering, er, recovered liberal and New Conservative because of his and her lies.

47 posted on 11/28/2002 9:11:45 AM PST by madfly
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To: galt-jw
see #43
48 posted on 11/28/2002 9:17:26 AM PST by madfly
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To: janetgreen
Oh no, they'll want bilingual signs.

I doubt they'll have to prove they are even literate. It's insane to allow foreigners in big trucks access to all our highways if they don't have even minimal English language ability. Why have signs at all?

49 posted on 11/28/2002 9:23:58 AM PST by FITZ
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To: Tancredo Fan
I hear that only a handful of these rolling invasion machines will be inspected.

I read that Mexican bus companies are to be included ----how easy now for illegals to travel to their destination, they can board a bus in Mexico and go whereever they please.

50 posted on 11/28/2002 9:25:40 AM PST by FITZ
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