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Henry Kissinger: This Man Is On The Other Side
American Opinion ^ | June 1975 | William P. Hoar

Posted on 11/28/2002 2:39:34 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

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1 posted on 11/28/2002 2:39:34 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Is the author a Bircher, or a kook, or both? The description of Kissenger as an anti-American (aka globalist in their twisted lexicon) pro Commie symp typically comes from that quarter, or Paleo Con fellow travelers.
2 posted on 11/28/2002 2:44:00 PM PST by Torie
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To: Tailgunner Joe
That conclusion is buttressed by considerable evidence, not the least of which was his successful plan intentionally to abandon South Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia to Communist takeover.

This was hardly a secret, even at the time. Nobody was under any illusions that we weren't running out on SEA; Vietnam was a Tar Baby and it was either quit, or mount an offensive that was politically impossible.

3 posted on 11/28/2002 2:47:12 PM PST by Grut
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To: Torie
Kissinger was awarded the Nobel rize by leftists for losing the Viet Nam war. He is a Communist spy.
4 posted on 11/28/2002 2:48:13 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Depends on the definition of other side
5 posted on 11/28/2002 2:50:50 PM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: Torie
Richard Nixon was a loner. He always tried to deal with people through a third trusted person. Nixon did not like one on one situations. Nixon had a handful of trusted people and he dealt with everyone else through them.

Henry Kissenger was Nixon's foreign policy negotiator. He was not nixon's council. He was Nixon's negotiator. Henry would say what Nixon told him to say to whom Nixon told him to say it. Henry would get the response and take that back to Nixon.

Henry's total authority was limited to "I'll ask Nixon and get back with you."

The media, believing that Nixon like all Republican presidents was a dunce, invented the story that Henry was in charge and only occasionaly reported to Nixon. That was just not true.

Even Jerry Ford ordered Kissenger around.

Kissenger got this current job because he does what he is told, is loyal, and keeps his mouth shut.

6 posted on 11/28/2002 2:53:04 PM PST by Common Tator
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...Is the author a Bircher, or a kook, or both...

Haw about a Larochie

7 posted on 11/28/2002 2:53:16 PM PST by bert
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Durin the entire Viet Nam period I did not hear one serious criticism by Kissinger of North Viet Nam when they were piling up records of terrorist acts in the South. This left the pro Ho Chi Minh protest movement here unopposed and with the image that no contesting of their position was possible. It strengthened the movement more than the arguments from the movement did. It left us with no moral negotiating position. Kissinger undermined this country's position. I regarded Kissinger as a subversive nearly 35 years ago. I regard him as so now.
8 posted on 11/28/2002 2:54:02 PM PST by RLK
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To: Torie
"Is the author a Bircher, or a kook, or both? The description of Kissenger as an anti-American (aka globalist in their twisted lexicon) pro Commie symp typically comes from that quarter, or Paleo Con fellow travelers.

You say that like it is a bad thing...BTW...Henry lick's ChiCom jackboots

9 posted on 11/28/2002 3:00:10 PM PST by alphadog
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To: RLK
I regarded Kissinger as a subversive nearly 35 years ago. I regard him as so now.

So? You think George W. Bush is subversive too.

10 posted on 11/28/2002 3:01:00 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Kissinger was awarded the Nobel rize by leftists for losing the Viet Nam war

Kissenger did whatever the hell Richard Nixon told him to do. Crossing Richard Milhous Nixon was a dangerous thing to do. Henry Kissenger certainly never tried it or he would have been fired in a heartbeat.

LBJ lost the war. Nixon ran for office in 1968 on the platform of getting us out of the Vietnam war with honor. When Nixon couldn't figure out how to get out with honor, he just declared victory and get the hell out.

LBJ lost that war when he lost public support for it. Nixon got elected in 1968 on a promise to get us out of LBJ's war. .. not to win it.

You should have voted for HHH. He was for winning the Viet Nam war


11 posted on 11/28/2002 3:02:34 PM PST by Common Tator
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To: Common Tator
Yep, your take on who was the wizard behind the curtain is correct IMO. Nixon considered HIMSELF to be the pro on foreign policy (the China card play was all Nixon's, as was how to extract the US from the Vietnam tarbaby), and while Kissinger did his PR thing to make it seem otherwise, it was all jive. Still, Kissinger did his job competently, and served his nation well.
12 posted on 11/28/2002 3:02:48 PM PST by Torie
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To: sinkspur
So? You think George W. Bush is subversive too.

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George Bush is affable, but ideologically unstudied and uncommitted. He's feeble minded, directionless, and out of place in the presidency. If left to his won devices Presidente Fox will probably folloe or replace him.

13 posted on 11/28/2002 3:08:00 PM PST by RLK
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To: RLK
"If left to his own devices Presidente Fox will probably folloe or replace him.

Hahahaha

14 posted on 11/28/2002 3:09:40 PM PST by alphadog
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To: RLK
The Vietnam war was a more formal military affair in the Nixon era. The Viet Cong was wiped out with the Tet Offensive. What the place needed was the high tech weapons of today. They were not around, the South Vietnamese lacked elan, and the enterprise simply wasn't worth the body count. The domino theory also proved over time to be bogus. The one horrible legacy of it all was the genocide in Cambodia.
15 posted on 11/28/2002 3:09:52 PM PST by Torie
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To: Torie
That Cambodia domino really fell hard, huh?
16 posted on 11/28/2002 3:13:03 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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I was thinking of Thailand, which was hyped as the BIG domino.
17 posted on 11/28/2002 3:13:35 PM PST by Torie
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"What the place needed was the high tech weapons of today."

That would not have worked...just helped...besides your god Henry puppetmaster wanted us to lose...

18 posted on 11/28/2002 3:14:32 PM PST by alphadog
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To: Torie
Think of Cambodia.
19 posted on 11/28/2002 3:15:13 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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"This Man Is On The Other Side "

Theres a no brainer. We have him and good ol Nixon boy to thank for our situation now with China...

20 posted on 11/28/2002 3:15:36 PM PST by Enemy Of The State
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He's feeble minded, directionless, and out of place in the presidency.

You sound like Al Gore. Completely clueless.

21 posted on 11/28/2002 3:17:36 PM PST by sinkspur
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What the place needed was the high tech weapons of today. They were not around,

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You are wrong. We tested high tech artillary shells developed at NRL which killed the enemy by the hundreds. After they were found to work, they were packed up and sent back to the states. Additionally, the tactics employed under the direction of McNamara were self-defeating. I don't believe you know anything about the war or the period.

22 posted on 11/28/2002 3:18:05 PM PST by RLK
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To: alphadog
Henry ... wanted us to lose

BS. He played the hand he was given (eroding popular support, no way to win without going the Dresden route, economic strains, dope spreading throughout the ranks, tension among generations within the upper middle class) as Nixon told him to play it. There were few choices, and what choices there were all sucked.

23 posted on 11/28/2002 3:21:16 PM PST by Torie
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To: RLK
So we had the magic weapon to win the war, in a surgical fashion? That is the first I heard of that. And Kissinger didn't want it used, because he wanted the US to lose. IC.
24 posted on 11/28/2002 3:23:44 PM PST by Torie
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To: sinkspur
You sound like Al Gore. Completely clueless.

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Not much of a serious refutation in your statement. In the unlikely event you undergo a brief moment of introspection, maybe you might consider the possibility it is you who are clueless.

25 posted on 11/28/2002 3:26:01 PM PST by RLK
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To: Torie
So we had the magic weapon to win the war, in a surgical fashion? That is the first I heard of that.

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Stick around and you might hear a lot of things for the first time. Not that it will do much good with your attitude.

26 posted on 11/28/2002 3:29:02 PM PST by RLK
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Thank you for this important post.

I lost a number of close friends in SEA during the Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club days; and was close enough, later, to the power base in Washington to state without reservation that Kissinger is totally amoral; and cannot be trusted to fufill a national role with any objective on his part other than self-aggrandizement.

I remember all too well this despicable Kraut's power grab (1972-3)--thus shutting out My boss, Adm. Moorer (then Chairman) to the point that the Chairman had to establish his own internal spy ring to find out what Nixon and Company were up to in execution of critical foreign policy.

In summary: Kissinger is beyound contempt; a snake-oil salesman that should be behind bars as an indicted felon...and, further, an intellectual traitor to the USA.

Happy Thanksgiving. Had to get this off my chest. Wow !!
27 posted on 11/28/2002 3:32:28 PM PST by dk/coro
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Not much of a serious refutation in your statement.

Not much of a serious statement to refute. Calling Bush "feeble minded and out of place in the presidency" is contraindicated by the endorsement of the American people, which I will take over the ruminations of a retired old college professor.

28 posted on 11/28/2002 3:36:39 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: dk/coro
In summary: Kissinger is beyound contempt; a snake-oil salesman that should be behind bars as an indicted felon...and, further, an intellectual traitor to the USA.

Kissinger is quoted as saying the following at a conference in France in 1992:

"Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will pledge with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenarios, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government."

Kissinger is a globalist and has no loyalty to either America or our Constitution. He, like many in Washington, seek global government.

29 posted on 11/28/2002 3:39:07 PM PST by Mulder
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To: alphadog
That would not have worked...just helped...besides your god Henry puppetmaster wanted us to lose...

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The problem with intellectuals is that they are intellectuals. The intellectual climate of the time believed communism/socialism to be the inexorable wave of change representing the people's movement and that any resistance to it should be cosmetic while the United States was eased into decline. That view still predominates at most universities today. Kissinger was a product of that environment.

30 posted on 11/28/2002 3:43:35 PM PST by RLK
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To: Mulder
Thanx, Mudler. You made my case. Cheers.
31 posted on 11/28/2002 3:45:20 PM PST by dk/coro
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To: Mulder
I sincerely doubt your quote of Kissinger is accurate, unless you claim that it is from some secret meeting. It hits just too many of the anti-globalist crowd's code word hot buttons to be anything other than a hopeful fabrication. Somebody as sneaky and devious as HK would never say anything so ideal for his opponents.

What is your documentation for this statement?

32 posted on 11/28/2002 3:47:54 PM PST by Restorer
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To: sinkspur
Calling Bush "feeble minded and out of place in the presidency" is contraindicated by the endorsement of the American people, which I will take over the ruminations of a retired old college professor.

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I seem to remember a recent presidential election in which Bush started with a 15 point lead over a moron and ended up losing the popular vote to that moron as more people became familiar with Bush. Hardly an endorsement. Bush was on the ropes and ready to be ushered from the White House in '04 until Jihadists started flying airplanes into buildings causing people to cluster around Bush in panic.

33 posted on 11/28/2002 3:51:43 PM PST by RLK
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To: Restorer
What is your documentation for this statement?

He allegedly said it at a Bilderberg conference. Alex Jones has it listed in his book. A quick google search will also turn up many references.

34 posted on 11/28/2002 3:53:31 PM PST by Mulder
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I seem to remember a recent presidential election in which Bush started with a 15 point lead over a moron and ended up losing the popular vote to that moron as more people became familiar with Bush. Hardly an endorsement.

Your interpretation. Gore, with a booming economy, should have beaten Bush by 15 points. Interesting that you think everybody's a "moron."

Bush was on the ropes and ready to be ushered from the White House in '04 until Jihadists started flying airplanes into buildings causing people to cluster around Bush in panic.

Again, your feeble interpretation.

You don't like Bush, that's clear. But the guy you do like is despised by the rest of the American electorate.

35 posted on 11/28/2002 3:59:24 PM PST by sinkspur
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"So? You think George W. Bush is subversive too."

G.W. is a new kid on the block. Henry K. has a long history in which to be judged. G.W. has yet to make his history. I for one hope that in the future, when we reflect on G.W.'s accomplishments, we can say that he was great for America. Unfortunately when we look back on Kissingers accomplishments, we will have to conclude that he did not have America's interest at heart. And when we look back on the Kissinger commision, I'm afraid we'll see it as one of G.W.'s blunders.

36 posted on 11/28/2002 3:59:54 PM PST by hove
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Think of Cambodia?

Why?

Think of the poor innocent women and children who died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Think of the fun of being the tailgunner in those B-29s. Nothing like the smell of dead Jap children in the morning to make a tailgunner feel really good.

37 posted on 11/28/2002 3:59:56 PM PST by Common Tator
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Gee, America is so evil. Our crimes are so much worse than the Cambodian killing fields. We should be ashamed. We're such warmonger nazis. Communism is so misunderstood. </Common Tator>
38 posted on 11/28/2002 4:02:51 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: sinkspur
Again, your feeble interpretation.

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No, your feeble counterinterpretation. Your so deep into denial and resentment of me that you would assert the sun will rise in the West tomorrow morning.

39 posted on 11/28/2002 4:05:43 PM PST by RLK
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To: hove
Unfortunately when we look back on Kissingers accomplishments, we will have to conclude that he did not have America's interest at heart.

Your interpretation. I disagree.

And when we look back on the Kissinger commision, I'm afraid we'll see it as one of G.W.'s blunders.

The commission was put in place as a sop to the families. There's already congressional investigations ongoing, with professional investigators well down the road.

The commission is going to find nothing because, frankly, there is nothing to find. We know the CIA and FBI didn't pick up on the clues, but, then, hindsight is 20/20.

We have to prevent future 9/11s, which is what Homeland Security is about.

The "independent commmission" is a waste of money and a waste of time.

40 posted on 11/28/2002 4:06:48 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: Mulder
Things I just doubt any politician would say, except in the Protocols of Zion:

if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated

all peoples of the world will pledge with world leaders to deliver them from this evil

The one thing every man fears is the unknown.

individual rights will be willingly relinquished

I sincerely doubt even the Bilderbergers talk this way. Such people cloak their intentions in euphemisms, even when talking among themselves. That's because many of them like to pretend (or may sincerely believe) that their intentions are only the best. Open talk of deceit and manipulations makes their self-image harder to maintain.

For instance, the Nazis never talked about killing all the Jews. In official documents, right to the end they referred to "resettlement" or "deportation."

Haven't you read 1984?
41 posted on 11/28/2002 4:06:58 PM PST by Restorer
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To: sinkspur
Your interpretation. Gore, with a booming economy, should have beaten Bush by 15 points.

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Interesting you should mention it. Given you assumptions, since the economic boom did not suddenly arise in two weeks, I would expect Bush to have started 15 points down instead of up. The people were desperate to vote against Gore. As it was, they perceived equality between the candidates and stayed home in disgust. Lit's see what kind of psychobabble you can come up with to deal with that.

42 posted on 11/28/2002 4:10:50 PM PST by RLK
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Your so deep into denial and resentment of me that you would assert the sun will rise in the West tomorrow morning.

I don't resent you. I just think you've bought into the conventional liberal interpretation of Bush.

I trust the judgement of the American people much more than I trust your Buchanan-addled opinion of the president.

43 posted on 11/28/2002 4:12:22 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: Restorer
I sincerely doubt even the Bilderbergers talk this way.

It could well we that the quote is untrue, but since the Bilderbergers close their doors to we serfs, there is no way of knowing for sure.

44 posted on 11/28/2002 4:14:35 PM PST by Mulder
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To: sinkspur
I am not a Buchanan supporter. Your arguments are getting more lame and desperate while you are falling behind in the discussion. You're a loser.
45 posted on 11/28/2002 4:15:25 PM PST by RLK
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To: Restorer
Hitler called for the annihilation of the jews in 1939.

"In the course of my life I have very often been a prophet, and have usually been ridiculed for it. During the time of my struggle for power it was in the first instance the Jewish race which only received my prophecies with laughter when I said that I would one day take over the leadership of the State, and with it that of the whole nation, and that I would then among many other things settle the Jewish problem. Their laughter was uproarious, but I think that for some time now they have been laughing on the other side of their face. Today I will once more be a prophet: If the international Jewish financiers in and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations once more into a world war, then the result will not be the Bolshevization of the earth, and thus the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe!"

Socialists actually talk like this all the time. Marx, Lenin, Mao and the rest all proclaimed their intention to literally slaughter the bourgeois before doing so. Kissinger is a Communist. That's why he is willing to make such outrageous statements.

46 posted on 11/28/2002 4:19:07 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: RLK
Given you assumptions, since the economic boom did not suddenly arise in two weeks, I would expect Bush to have started 15 points down instead of up. The people were desperate to vote against Gore. As it was, they perceived equality between the candidates and stayed home in disgust.

You make a great deal of where Bush started. What's important is where he finished. As President of the United States.

It was close, yes. The American people did stay home, largely, as they do every election.

But, 2002 dispelled the myth that the American people have doubts about George W. Bush. He won that election for the GOP.

47 posted on 11/28/2002 4:19:56 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: RLK
I am not a Buchanan supporter.

My mistake. I seemed to recall you having good things to say about him.

Your arguments are getting more lame and desperate while you are falling behind in the discussion. You're a loser.

And your contempt for George W. Bush clouds your better judgment. Or, maybe it's just age.

48 posted on 11/28/2002 4:22:35 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Kissinger is one of the most disgusting representatives of our species. IF he belongs to our species.
49 posted on 11/28/2002 4:35:36 PM PST by A Vast RightWing Conspirator
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50 posted on 11/28/2002 4:43:38 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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