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Henry Kissinger: This Man Is On The Other Side
American Opinion ^ | June 1975 | William P. Hoar

Posted on 11/28/2002 2:39:34 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

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To: Tailgunner Joe; Mulder; RLK; dk/coro; Enemy Of The State; alphadog; Common Tator; Torie; ...
You are all referring to the co-chairman of the new "independent" commission to get to the bottom of 9/11. God help us all!

"If it walks like a duck etc."---why is it so far-fetched that this guy is not what he is cracked up to be? I don't see anyone disputing the facts in this article.

Those that disagree are caught up in that old Republican-Democrat sideshow. Clinton was not the first home-grown traitor--that's a tradition that goes way back and brings us right up to the present.

Thanks, Tailgunner, for posting.

51 posted on 11/28/2002 4:44:40 PM PST by attagirl
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To: Tailgunner Joe

52 posted on 11/28/2002 4:44:51 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
For every Nazi statement about killing all the Jews, I could probably find hundreds using the appropriate euphemisms.

I also suspect your quote would have been taken by most (certainly most foreign) listeners as hyperbole at the time.

Which just goes to show you that civilized listeners can't really hear what their attackers are saying. Their very civilization prevents it.

53 posted on 11/28/2002 4:46:20 PM PST by Restorer
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To: Restorer
You are so civilized, you can't hear our enemies screaming for more American blood? I guess I'm not civilized then.

The Jews didn't believe it could happen to them. Patriotic Americans don't believe that their own leaders intend to sell them out to "Transnational Progressivism" or whatever they're calling Marxism these days.

54 posted on 11/28/2002 4:56:27 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I'm not particularly civilized myself.

My comment was not intended as an endorsement of civilization-induced deafness. Quite the contrary.
55 posted on 11/28/2002 5:01:27 PM PST by Restorer
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To: Tailgunner Joe; sinkspur; RLK; All
Thank you for the long article from 1975 about Henry Kissinger.

In 1972, Henry Kissinger and Chinese Foreign Minister Qiao Guanhua included a paragraph in the Shanghai Communique with the phrase ". . .there is but one China and that Taiwan is a part of China."

Carter abrogated the 1954 mutual security treaty in 1979 when he recognized the mainland government as the sole government of all of China and dropped all official ties to Taiwan.

President Bush has recently said publicly we will do whatever is necessary to defend Taiwan, as he has reestablished our assistance in Taiwan's defense and acquisition of defensive weapons.

President Bush has appointed Condoleeza Rice his National Security Advisor; she distinguished herself by counselling firmness toward China in a key article for Foreign Relations--this at a time that Henry Kissinger warned the U.S. not to interfere in the interests of China.

President Bush's appointment of Henry Kissinger as head of a blue-ribbon commission to investigate the causes of the surprise attack on September 11, 2001, is for the purpose of bestowing maximum credibility in the form of a figurehead atop a ceremonial commission.

President Bush's appointment ought not be viewed as endorsing the China policies of Kissinger, or of seeking his advise on international matters.

Lt. Gen. Charles G. Cooper, U.S. Marine Corps (Ret.) writes in the May 1996 Proceedings in "The Day It Became the Longest War" that a key meeting of the Joint Chiefs and LBJ at the White House in November 1965 set the outcome of the war.

During that fifteen minutes, at which Cooper was an aide to the chiefs, the service heads pitched their plan to bomb Hanoi and mine Haiphong. LBJ listened, then cursed them, humiliated them, and dismissed them.

Cooper closes with:

We shall never know. But had General Wheeler and the others been given a fair hearing, and had their recommendations been given serious study, it is entirely possible that 55,000 or so of America's sons would not have been killed in a war that its major architect, Robert Strange McNamara, now considers to have been a tragic mistake.

President Bush's prosecution of the response to the attack of September 11, 2001 was to use Special Forces, CIA, and precision bombing to win the hearts and minds of the al Qaeda (see also Buried Briquets).

Henry Kissinger to the contrary notwithstanding, President Bush is not likely to go wobbly vis a vis China.

56 posted on 11/28/2002 5:17:19 PM PST by PhilDragoo
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To: Tailgunner Joe
He is a Communist spy.

I found this article about Kissinger on Drudge..

The Latest Kissinger Outrage - Why is a proven liar and wanted man in charge of the 9/11 investigation? By Christopher Hitchens

http://slate.msn.com/?id=2074678

58 posted on 11/28/2002 7:10:18 PM PST by Bella
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To: Torie
"Henry ... wanted us to lose"

BS. He played the hand he was given (eroding popular support, no way to win without going the Dresden route, economic strains, dope spreading throughout the ranks, tension among generations within the upper middle class) as Nixon told him to play it. There were few choices, and what choices there were all sucked.

The quote should have read "Henry's puppetmasters wanted us to lose"...Henry was told what to do...and blame current events

59 posted on 11/28/2002 7:26:48 PM PST by alphadog
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To: Luo Tong
Well hell why stop there why not just call him "Jew-Boy". You know you want to.
61 posted on 11/28/2002 8:15:28 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Torie
The link is to the JBS site. Just more trash from trash.
62 posted on 11/28/2002 8:18:23 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Torie
Torie, I have read your comments on the confilct in SouthEast Asia very closely.

I fear we are on a different song-sheet, for it appears to me that you have a rather unsophisticated view of power execution -- and its limitations.

It may prove helpful to examine very closely the writings of Bernard Fall, the noted Indo-French historian of the day. I had the pleasure of sharing brandy with Bernie Fall on the roof of the Majestic a number of times; with Joe and Stewart Alsop as well...when we were all together in Saigon in the early days.

These gents, without fail, predicted the outcome of the conflict years before we lost our 67,000 brethen to that failed enterprise. We bet on a losing horse...lame and philisophically encumbered, to boot. And, paid our losing wager in blood and national honor.

Were you there...? I doubt it.

Cheers. DKP
64 posted on 11/28/2002 8:33:04 PM PST by dk/coro
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To: alphadog
Viet Nam was "lost" long before Kissinger came on the scene.
65 posted on 11/28/2002 8:33:09 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: PhilDragoo
We shall never know. But had General Wheeler and the others been given a fair hearing, and had their recommendations been given serious study, it is entirely possible that 55,000 or so of America's sons would not have been killed in a war that its major architect, Robert Strange McNamara, now considers to have been a tragic mistake.

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The mistake was McNamara. McNamara was a devote of socialist Norman Thomas as decribed in McNamara's own book, In Retrospect He had more sympathy for the communists than serious disagreement. That sympathy directed his subversive direction of the war. He is quite happy to attribute the failures there to be thr result of the strength and motivation of the communists and the inherent impossibility of winning the war rather than to his role.

Two movies are instructive. The first is Saving Private Ryan's depiction of D day. The Second is We were Solders which was a true stoy. In the beginning of Soldiers Colonel Moore protests the order given that he move his people 60 at a time by helicopter into an area heavily infested with enemy troops. At the end of winning the battle the American units were taken back out by helicopter and the area relinquished to the enemy. Several months later the operation was repeated and so on for several years.

It was catastrophic. People were landed piece at a time into areas where they were massively outnumbered, where there was no cover or concealment, and there was little capacity for reinforcement or supply once the enemy attacked because helicopters couldn't operate in that environment. There was not even hindrance to the enemy moving into our lines. It was like having a D-day every two or three months.

No commander or Secretary of Defense would think of doing such a thing. It was slaughter of our troops.

If the area were to be attacked multiple times, instead of that strategy the area should have been held by permanent emplacements so that the enemy would need to take those emplacements to be able to operate in the area. At least one 155 should have been in the emplacement to attack any enemy within a radius of 19 miles. If the enemy gathered in concentrated numbers necessary to attack the emplacement, Napalm would have destroyed them. But that was contrary to the McNamara doctrine.

66 posted on 11/28/2002 8:46:58 PM PST by RLK
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To: attagirl
-why is it so far-fetched that this guy is not what he is cracked up to be? I don't see anyone disputing the facts in this article.

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Because there is a group of people here blindly determined to believe George Bush is perfect and correct in anything he does regardless of the truth.

67 posted on 11/28/2002 8:50:06 PM PST by RLK
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To: sinkspur
And your contempt for George W. Bush clouds your better judgment. Or, maybe it's just age.

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My contempt for Bush is something he has well earned. When I start believing your bullcrap and cease correct evaluation of Jorge Bush, you'll know age has debilitated me.

68 posted on 11/28/2002 8:53:27 PM PST by RLK
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Thanks for the ping. Good article.

Henry Kissinger ... sigh ...
69 posted on 11/28/2002 9:11:14 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: RLK
why is it so far-fetched that this guy is not what he is cracked up to be? I don't see anyone disputing the facts in this article. ----------------------------------------------------------- Because there is a group of people here blindly determined to believe George Bush is perfect and correct in anything he does regardless of the truth.

Actually, I was referring to Kissinger. But you bring up an interesting point regarding w. I think people are so happy he's not Clinton that they're not seeing that he is promoting the same agenda. (The Total Information Awareness databank; The NoChildLeftBehind Act; treasonous imigration policy; the Patriot Act with its broad definition of what constitutes terrorism; the Anti- Terrorism Bill just signed that provides for the federal govt.--as opposed to insurance companies--to pay victims of terrorism; setting a finite limit on cell lines to be used for stem cell research and then quietly remanding the regulation; faith-based initiatives; expanding the American Disabilities Act to churches; his interest in expanding NAFTA from Canada to Tierra del Fuego; his sucking up to the Chicoms; giving campaign finance reform the green light...)p> Somehow it is seen as unAmerican to criticize the man or his unAmerican policies.

70 posted on 11/28/2002 9:53:34 PM PST by attagirl
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To: attagirl
As I say in an article I'm writing to be published elsewhere:

If you combine Jimmy Carter with Bill Clinton, then subtract the Monica Lewinsky and Paula Jones affairs, the result is George Bush. Mindless useless Republicans are mindless useless Democrats with less flamboyant sex lives.

71 posted on 11/28/2002 10:24:40 PM PST by RLK
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To: attagirl
Somehow it is seen as unAmerican to criticize the man or his unAmerican policies.

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Besides, who can stop to think at a time like this when jihadists are flying airplanes into buildings. That lack of thought is Bush's protection. When this is over we're going to be stuck with a lot of things in perpetuity that we should have thought about.

72 posted on 11/28/2002 10:34:48 PM PST by RLK
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To: sinkspur
"The "independent commmission" is a waste of money and a waste of time.

Time will tell. I don't believe that the Kissinger commission will do much better. And by the way.....I'm not crazy about any of these "commissions". My problem with the President's commision....no matter how well intentioned....is that he chose Henry Kissinger to head it. Talk about a man who has diminished percieved integrity! I mean, the name alone conjurs up words like conspiracy, deceit, betrayal, and genocide. And I'm not just making this stuff up. His record is there for the world to see. For cripes sake, he is a wanted man on the world stage. No...a commission to investigat 911 is one thing....but to bring in this irrelavent dinasaur.....well it has the same stench as the Mondale fiasco! And look how that worked out for the Democrats. I just hope that this affair doesn't leave a stain on Bushes record in 2004.

73 posted on 11/28/2002 10:51:29 PM PST by hove
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To: dk/coro
"I remember all too well this despicable Kraut's power grab (1972-3)--thus shutting out My boss, Adm. Moorer (then Chairman) to the point that the Chairman had to establish his own internal spy ring to find out what Nixon and Company were up to in execution of critical foreign policy."

Thank you for this remembrance. I first heard his voice on radio in the early 1970's. I thought, "This is a voice of an evil man." I've never changed my mind. The photograph of him smiling at Mao later on this thread made me sick. How many people did Mao slaughter? Wasn't it Kissinger who led Nixon into the immoral disaster of befriending Red China? I didn't know of his KGB past, but always wondered who he was really working for. Well, Happy Thanksgiving to you, too. This is still one hell of a country, and I'm glad to be a free American as long as it lasts.

74 posted on 11/28/2002 11:39:00 PM PST by The Westerner
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To: Restorer
The statement was made during a meetig of the Bilderbers in France in 1992. I suppose you consider this group to be non-existent?

Here's something easily verified:

In 1993 Henre' writes in the Los Angeles Times about NAFTA: " What Congress will have before it is not a conventional trade agreement but the architecture of a new international system...a first step toward a new world order."

75 posted on 11/29/2002 1:18:27 AM PST by JusticeLives
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To: PhilDragoo
And even John Roche, former head of the Americans for Democratic Action, is concerned-noting that every matter of American interest Kissinger gets "involved in suddenly becomes ambiguous."
And as you note...
President Bush's appointment of Henry Kissinger as head of a blue-ribbon commission to investigate the causes of the surprise attack on September 11, 2001, is for the purpose of bestowing maximum credibility in the form of a figurehead atop a ceremonial commission.
Looks like 9-11-01 is headed for ambiguity.
76 posted on 11/29/2002 2:54:01 AM PST by philman_36
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To: Torie
"...and served his nation well."

In another thread on Kissenger's appointment to lead the investigation, someone stated that Kissenger's security team is the Mossad.

So, which nation is it that he has served well?
77 posted on 11/29/2002 5:19:56 AM PST by Capn America
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To: RLK
If you combine Jimmy Carter with Bill Clinton, then subtract the Monica Lewinsky and Paula Jones affairs, the result is George Bush.

Anytime there was talk about sex Clinton won. One scategory of scandals was used to cover the other treasonous ones.

78 posted on 11/29/2002 7:16:47 AM PST by attagirl
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To: Tailgunner Joe
bizarre article

bizarre thread

79 posted on 11/29/2002 8:03:44 AM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: What is the bottom line
Why bring in an aged diplomat to conduct an investigation into one of the most important events in our nation in the last generation?

Because the investigation is nonsense.

The buildings fell because two very large, fully loaded, fueled airplanes crashed into them.
80 posted on 11/29/2002 6:45:55 PM PST by Maelstrom
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To: What is the bottom line
Is that why Republicans promote sexual abstinence to avoid AIDS infection or pregnance?

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That should read: Is that why SOME Republicans promote sexual abstinence to avoid AIDS infection or pregnance?

There are at least four distinct subcultures within the Republican party who disagree on basic issues. Some are anti-abortion. Some are pro-abortion. Some are ant-abstinance. Some are pro-socialistic.

83 posted on 11/30/2002 9:09:55 AM PST by RLK
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To: The Westerner
Thank you for this remembrance. I first heard his voice on radio in the early 1970's. I thought, "This is a voice of an evil man." I've never changed my mind. The photograph of him smiling at Mao later on this thread made me sick. How many people did Mao slaughter? Wasn't it Kissinger who led Nixon into the immoral disaster of befriending Red China? I didn't know of his KGB past, but always wondered who he was really working for. Well, Happy Thanksgiving to you, too. This is still one hell of a country, and I'm glad to be a free American as long as it lasts.

There are so many conflicting stories about Kissinger that it's hard to tell what to believe. In cases like that, I rely on my intuition. The guy gives me the creeps.

84 posted on 11/30/2002 9:12:57 AM PST by independentmind
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To: Texasforever
This isn't the DU board...is it? Why not make a specific comment on the factual details of the article, rather than just a 6th grade ad hominem attacks.

Try again...we're waiting.

86 posted on 11/30/2002 10:13:25 AM PST by Verax
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To: sinkspur; RLK
You sound like Al Gore. Completely clueless.

He isn't clueless. I have been reading Robert L. Koch for a number of years on Zola Times and consider him to be one of the most incisive thinkers writing today.

Clueless he ain't !

87 posted on 12/29/2002 2:44:46 PM PST by happygrl
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