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Gun laws myth the target
Washington Times ^ | 11/30/02 | Thomas Sowell

Posted on 11/29/2002 10:32:13 PM PST by kattracks

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:59:23 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Professor Joyce Lee Malcolm of Bentley College deserves some sort of special prize for taking on the thankless task of talking sense on a subject where nonsense is deeply entrenched and fiercely dogmatic. In her recently published book, "Guns and Violence," she examines the history of firearms, gun-control laws and violent crime in England. What makes this more than an exercise in history is its relevance to current controversies over gun control in the United States.


(Excerpt) Read more at washtimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist

1 posted on 11/29/2002 10:32:13 PM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks
This article puts England's approach and situation in a new perspective. New York though has always been a special case because it has always been the teeming point of entry to this country for so long. Not to blame it on the ever-changing waves of immigration but just to point out that NYC has always been in flux, and flux generates stress which generates...
If you ever read anything about the gangs of NY (Coming Soon to a Theater Near You!) you'll know something about violence. The explosion of violence in other American cities can only be catalogued in a work of of much greater length (loss of manufacturing jobs, abandonment of city centers, corrupt local governments, etc etc). A fascinating study but completely different than what happened in England.
Thanks for post.
2 posted on 11/29/2002 11:44:06 PM PST by thegreatbeast
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To: thegreatbeast
New York though has always been a special case

Don't remind me. :-(

The current system of handgun "permits," whereby you must apply to the STATE for permission to even OWN a handgun (a six month process) dates back to the Sullivan Act (after Big Tim Sullivan, the corrupt Speaker of the Assembly who wrote it). The Sullivan Act was passed in the 1920s, in reaction to growing labor strife and (to a lesser extent) the rise of organized crime during the same period.

3 posted on 11/29/2002 11:53:11 PM PST by Clemenza
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To: *bang_list

Molon Labe !

4 posted on 11/30/2002 1:10:09 AM PST by TERMINATTOR
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To: kattracks
Another Thomas Sowell bull's-eye! Dr. Sowell is the most consistently rational and honest commentator in America. He follows the data, regardless of whether or not it supports his convictions. He never alters or denigrates the data to preserve his convictions. How many soft-scientists in this country can say as much?

Not a bad pun, either.

Freedom, Wealth, and Peace,
Francis W. Porretto
Visit the Palace Of Reason: http://palaceofreason.com

5 posted on 11/30/2002 4:13:21 AM PST by fporretto
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To: kattracks; *bang_list
bump bump bang
7 posted on 11/30/2002 4:51:17 AM PST by Maelstrom
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To: glc1173@aol.com
It's actually higher than 8 times the amount.

This is true simply because it's not limitedto "blacks" but to a culture popularly attributed to "blacks" but is not limited to them.

You can find this culture among "blacks", hispanics, whites, and, although rarely, asians.
8 posted on 11/30/2002 4:52:40 AM PST by Maelstrom
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To: glc1173@aol.com
Good point, link. Crime isn't attacked in major urban areas. It has become an industry that provides a living for socialists...at the expense of many victims.
9 posted on 11/30/2002 5:16:36 AM PST by PGalt
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To: backhoe; Libertarianize the GOP; Carry_Okie; 2sheep; Fish out of Water; 4Freedom; Alamo-Girl; ...
ping
10 posted on 11/30/2002 6:11:56 AM PST by madfly
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To: AnnaZ; Mercuria; feinswinesuksass; incindiary; Kithlyara; lowbridge; gc4nra
bumpnudgeping!
11 posted on 11/30/2002 8:39:14 AM PST by HangFire
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To: madfly
Gun control myths
TownHall.com ^ | Tuesday, November 26, 2002 | by Thomas Sowell
Posted on 11/25/2002 9:37 PM PST by JohnHuang2
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/795937/posts

Gun control myths: part II
TownHall.com ^ | Wednesday, November 27, 2002 | by Thomas Sowell
Posted on 11/26/2002 9:39 PM PST by JohnHuang2
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/796616/posts

GUN CONTROL MYTHS: PART III
TOWNHALL.COM ^ | 11-28-02 | THOMAS SOWELL
Posted on 11/28/2002 8:08 AM PST by KLT
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/797486/posts
12 posted on 11/30/2002 9:14:15 AM PST by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: kattracks
American zealots for the Brady bill say nothing about the fact that the man who shot James Brady and tried to assassinate President Reagan has been out walking the streets on furlough.

Holy cow...I forgot all about Hinckley!

Hinckley -- who attempted to kill Reagan as a way of impressing Jodie Foster -- is one of the triumvirate that has spoiled, once and for all, the concept of celebrities answering their own fan mail. The other two are Arthur Jackson (who nearly fatally stabbed Theresa Saldana as she walked outside her house to her car) and Robert James Bardo (stabbed Rebecca Schaeffer at her front door).

The grandest irony is that Hinckley almost certainly was wasting his time with Foster. The more we observe her lifestyle, the more clear it is that there wasn't the faintest possibility she would ever have been interested in him, if you know what I mean and I think you do.

13 posted on 11/30/2002 10:57:25 AM PST by L.N. Smithee
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To: Maelstrom; glc1173@aol.com
FYI

Homicide trends in the U.S. Trends by race

14 posted on 11/30/2002 12:09:54 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: madfly
The Second Amendment...
America's Original Homeland Security !!

Stop the attacks on our God given Rights by the extreme wacko left-wing anti-gun nazis' !!

The Right Of The People To Keep And Bear Arms Shall Not Be Infringed !!

An Armed Citizen, Is A Safe Citizen !!

Guns Save Lives !!

No Guns, No Rights !!

Freedom Is Worth Fighting For !!

Molon Labe !!

FMCDH !!

15 posted on 11/30/2002 12:33:58 PM PST by blackie
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To: PGalt
"Good point, link. Crime isn't attacked in major urban areas. It has become an industry that provides a living for socialists...at the expense of many victims."

Yours is a good point too, PGalt. There is little doubt in my mind that the government (at any level) knows that less guns means more crime. It should follow, then, they are not interested in saving lives and property, but more concerned with attaining their great society at the expense of freedom, the blood of Citizens, and the destruction of private property. What better way to attain those goals than by outlawing the means that would hinder those goals while insuring their own safe haven against retribution or revolt?

16 posted on 11/30/2002 12:59:56 PM PST by Eastbound
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To: blackie
The Second Amendment... America's Original Homeland Security !!

Roger that blackie!! I can't remember the name of the Jap General but he said something to the effect that it was impossible to invade the US because of all the guns in the hands of the populus there. I wish I had the quote, but that is ANOTHER reason for loving the 2nd Amendment. It not only keeps us safe (somwhat) from local tyranny, it causes those that would invade us to think twice.

17 posted on 11/30/2002 2:30:50 PM PST by mc5cents
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To: mc5cents
I can't remember the name of the Jap General but he said something to the effect that it was impossible to invade the US because of all the guns in the hands of the populus there

Yamamoto and the quote was "... a rifle behind every blade of grass ..."

18 posted on 11/30/2002 3:54:29 PM PST by Centurion2000
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To: HangFire
Thanks HF and a Liberty Belles bump!
19 posted on 11/30/2002 5:44:49 PM PST by gc4nra
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To: madfly
Thanks for the ping.
20 posted on 11/30/2002 5:55:29 PM PST by sistergoldenhair
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To: madfly
The first step to a Socialist society is to take the guns away from people.

In Switzerland, people are required by law to keep a gun in their homes, and crime is virtually unknown. Since criminals carry guns, why shouldn't law-abiding citizens do the same?

21 posted on 11/30/2002 7:02:04 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: monkeyshine
I swear to you, it's not race, it's culture.

And half the "whites" crimes are from people following the same corrupt and broken culture.
22 posted on 11/30/2002 7:43:06 PM PST by Maelstrom
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To: Eastbound
"Good point, link. Crime isn't attacked in major urban areas. It has become an industry that provides a living for socialists...at the expense of many victims."

Yours is a good point too, PGalt. There is little doubt in my mind that the government (at any level) knows that less guns means more crime. It should follow, then, they are not interested in saving lives and property, but more concerned with attaining their great society at the expense of freedom, the blood of Citizens, and the destruction of private property. What better way to attain those goals than by outlawing the means that would hinder those goals while insuring their own safe haven against retribution or revolt?

 

That's the logical conclusion(and I thought everyone knew that)

So, best to act accordingly!


23 posted on 11/30/2002 8:47:54 PM PST by eyes_only
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To: madfly
"In England, as she (Joyce Lee Malcom) points out, over the centuries "violent crime continued to decline markedly at the very time that guns were becoming increasingly available."

Interesting. Ms. Malcom's thesis appears to support the modern American wisdom that outlawing guns means only outlaws will have them.

Could she be right????

24 posted on 11/30/2002 9:32:38 PM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: Maelstrom
I swear to you, it's not race, it's culture.

Oh I know that. But culture is next to impossible to define. Race is much easier to classify.

Could the DOJ do statistics on the number of killers (and killed) who come from single family homes/drug addicted/alcoholic parents, high-school dropout/flunkie, low income neighborhoods, listen to rap music, speak excessive slang, etc?

25 posted on 12/01/2002 1:19:27 AM PST by monkeyshine
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To: monkeyshine
I disagree.

Race is as impossible to define as culture today.

The fact of the matter is if your great-great-grandmother was married to a black man, and that's the only black person in your family, you're defined as black. "Just one drop" policy.

It's just wrong. Culture is actually more easily defined because actions and beliefs dictate it. All you have to do is name it. It isn't traditional American culture.
26 posted on 12/01/2002 6:12:25 AM PST by Maelstrom
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To: kattracks
Senate Document 2807, entitled "The Right to Keep and Bear Arms", is the 1984 report of the Senate Judiciary Committee's subcommittee on the constitution. The purpose of the committee was to determine the Founders' reasons for creating the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.

All patriots should be familiar with this document. It has not been distributed in the media in this country for reasons which will become obvious to you upon reading it. I have only linked to the report because of its length. However, there is a short introduction and summary written by Committee Chairman Senator Orrin Hatch.

The Right to Keep and Bear Arms

27 posted on 12/01/2002 7:16:48 AM PST by nygoose
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To: nygoose
Great link, thanks!

Molon Labe!
28 posted on 12/01/2002 12:49:51 PM PST by blackie
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To: blackie
Thanks! BTW, I love the links on your Freeper home page.
29 posted on 12/01/2002 5:39:52 PM PST by nygoose
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To: nygoose
Thanks... :o)
30 posted on 12/02/2002 10:34:04 AM PST by blackie
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