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Medical Marijuana laws working well report says
Eugene Register Guard ^ | 11-30-2002 | AP

Posted on 11/30/2002 4:40:33 PM PST by Rocksalt

November 30, 2002

Medical marijuana laws working well, report says By The Associated Press

WASHINGTON - Law enforcement officials in four of the states that allow medical use of marijuana say the laws have had minimal impact on crimefighting, although they at times complicate prosecution of drug cases, a congressional report said Friday.

The report by the General Accounting Office said that only a small fraction of the people in Oregon, Hawaii and Alaska used marijuana for medical purposes. The results in California, the fourth state studied, were limited to only four counties and no statewide data were available.

Some law enforcement officials said that while crimefighting was not harmed, the laws allowing doctors to prescribe marijuana at times has complicated efforts to seize illegal marijuana or to prosecute some cases, according to the GAO report.

In some cases, law enforcement officials said the marijuana laws resulted in ``a general softening'' in attitudes among the public toward marijuana, the report said, and some were concerned about conflicts that arise with federal law enforcement, which still bans the drug.

The GAO examined only four of the eight states that have allowed medical uses for marijuana. The other states are Nevada, Colorado, Washington and Maine.

The GAO found that a total of about 2,450 people in Oregon, Hawaii and Alaska use marijuana for medical purposes - accounting for no more than .05 percent of the population in any of the states.

The report provided no statewide data for California. That state's law does not require medicinal marijuana users to register, although about 4,500 people have done so voluntarily in four of the state's 58 counties, according to the GAO.

In Northern California, Humboldt County officials said marijuana growers are allowed to grow hundreds of plants while claiming to be a medical caregiver to multiple patients, and no documentation is required.

Some local law enforcement officials in California questioned how effectively they could prosecute criminal marijuana cases since the state has no limit on the amount of marijuana that can be held by a patient or a caregiver.

While the other three states have established limits, some law enforcement officials said they too were less likely to pursue cases that could be shielded by the provisions.

The Bush administration disagreed with some of the report's findings.

The state marijuana laws have resulted in a ``worsening of relations between federal, state and local law enforcement,'' Acting Assistant Attorney General Robert Diegelman wrote the review of the report.

The laws create ``legal loopholes for drug dealers and marijuana cultivators to avoid arrest and prosecution,'' he said.

Data from the three states that require registries - Oregon, Hawaii and Alaska - showed that over 70 percent of medicinal marijuana users from each state were at least 40 years old.

In Hawaii and Oregon, where information on gender was kept, about 70 percent of users in each state were male, according to the report.

The GAO conducted its study from September 2001 to June 2002.


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1 posted on 11/30/2002 4:40:34 PM PST by Rocksalt
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To: Rocksalt
The state marijuana laws have resulted in a ``worsening of relations between federal, state and local law enforcement,'' Acting Assistant Attorney General Robert Diegelman wrote the review of the report.

Yup, the feds hate it when the states go out and do something on their own and the feds know they can't do anything about it.

The only problem with the law is the same with a lot of new laws. No set definitions. Ever since the Clinton era, we're too busy arguing over what IS is in the court room. Make the growers become registered and certified with the local county. There, now all the drug warriors will know who they can and cannot touch.

2 posted on 12/01/2002 4:13:19 AM PST by zx2dragon
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To: zx2dragon
"The state marijuana laws have resulted in a ``worsening of relations between federal, state and local law enforcement,'' Acting Assistant Attorney General Robert Diegelman wrote the review of the report."

What you are saying is true,and there has been alot of cases of the feds overriding state laws and raiding providers.Massive federal raids took place in California resulting in patients having a hard time getting their medicine.Growers are supposed to be certified and registered,at least in my state.Do you think if this issue of federal repression of states rights to sanction medical use ever goes before the supreme court,and the court rules favoribly for some reason it could affect the whole issue of state laws vs. federal laws,not only on this issue,but every issue? I doubt it would happen,but it would be a real breakthrough for freedoms.

3 posted on 12/01/2002 12:59:19 PM PST by Rocksalt
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To: Rocksalt
The SCOTUS ruling are supposed to really on reflect on the one case brought before it. However, it would give something for the lower courts to base future rulings on, if they agree with the SCOTUS.

Unless something is done at the federal legislative level, we'll end up with a hodge podge of states that either allow or disallow use. This will lead to other courts, which will keep forcing the issue to the fed level. All in all, we're looking at probably a good 20 years before anything is done.
4 posted on 12/02/2002 6:24:50 AM PST by zx2dragon
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To: Wolfie; vin-one; WindMinstrel; headsonpikes; philman_36; Beach_Babe; jenny65; AUgrad; Xenalyte; ...
WOD Ping
5 posted on 12/02/2002 9:20:19 AM PST by jmc813
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To: Rocksalt
Have the Feds ever heard of the 10th Amemendment?
6 posted on 12/02/2002 10:04:08 AM PST by Sparta
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To: zx2dragon
Every state should be allowed to set their own drug laws.
7 posted on 12/02/2002 10:04:47 AM PST by Sparta
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To: jmc813
thanks for the ping, by the way,
in the to list just put in Wod_list. and it will populate the Wod list.
if you can get to that list it contains a bunch of stuff on the WOD.

Jedi Girl lives........
8 posted on 12/02/2002 11:03:31 AM PST by vin-one
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To: jmc813; *Wod_list
thanks for the ping, by the way,
in the to list just put in Wod_list. and it will populate the Wod list.
if you can get to that list it contains a bunch of stuff on the WOD.

Jedi Girl lives........
9 posted on 12/02/2002 11:03:40 AM PST by vin-one
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To: Sparta
Problem is that it will cross state lines eventually and then the feds step in. Federal regulations are also the only way for there to be enough consistancy in the laws and the drugs. Image a medical marijuana user moving from one state where they grow some really go weed to one where it's not so good or can't get it at all. I'm not advocating more fed involvement with our lives, but sometimes you can't escape it.

Now what will happen is how the states handle it. IE Alcohol. In NC there are ABC stores that sell liquor and the grocery stores sell the beer. The beer cannot be any stronger than 6%. There are three different licenses depending on what you sell (beer, wine, port wine) and each one has fees attached. However, if you take a trip to somewhere like NJ, you have to find liquor stores to buy any alcohol at all and I believe they have a set amount of licenses that they allow state-wide, creating a great way for local politicians to gain some really good funding via everyone campaigning for what's leftover.

So basically the feds will handle the trading and quality of pot and also lay down general law guidelines and then the states will add their own relatives, or rather beauracracies to further regulate it and tax it even further (it'll be for the schools!).
10 posted on 12/02/2002 11:19:07 AM PST by zx2dragon
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To: Rocksalt
"Data from Hawaii and Oregon also showed that about 75 percent -- and more than 80 percent respectively -- of the physicians' recommendations were for severe pain and conditions associated with muscle spasms,..."
UPI -- 11/30/02

Well, so much for nausea and glaucoma.

11 posted on 12/02/2002 11:55:27 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: zx2dragon
Problem is that it will cross state lines eventually and then the feds step in.

Why is that a "problem"? IntERstate commerce is the fed's area of authority.

Federal regulations are also the only way for there to be enough consistancy in the laws and the drugs. Image a medical marijuana user moving from one state where they grow some really go weed to one where it's not so good or can't get it at all.

Beats the status quo, in which the feds interfere with sick peoples' medicine in all 50 states.

I'm not advocating more fed involvement with our lives

Good, because they only make things worse.

12 posted on 12/02/2002 12:01:06 PM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: robertpaulsen
Well, so much for nausea and glaucoma.

They're in that other 20-25 percent. Did you have a point?

13 posted on 12/02/2002 12:02:17 PM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: vin-one
Jedi Girl lives........

Don't worry, another 17 year old addict will appear soon on this forum to endorse your views.

14 posted on 12/02/2002 12:03:09 PM PST by Hacksaw
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To: MrLeRoy
That is the point.
15 posted on 12/02/2002 12:18:21 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
And a pointless point it is, too ....
16 posted on 12/02/2002 12:20:30 PM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: Hacksaw
Don't worry, another 17 year old addict will appear soon on this forum to endorse your views.

I guess I would rather have a 17 year old,
than some politcal flunky like Dane, or CAguy.trampling on all my rights.
What gives the Fed Gov. the right to tell me what I can and can't put into my body
anyone remember what a great success prohibition was,
afterall it gave us Al capone, the Kennedys, and the Mafia.
17 posted on 12/02/2002 12:28:32 PM PST by vin-one
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To: MrLeRoy
Pointless? Hardly.

All I ever hear on this board is how marijuana is so great for glaucoma -- almost like there is no other treatment.

And nausea! I'm getting nauseous myself thinking about how many times marijuana was touted as the only cure for nausea in AIDS patients and cancer patients on chemo.

Glaucoma, nausea, glaucoma, nausea, blah, blah, blah.

So a report comes out, and lo and behold, marijuana is being used to treat pain. Whoop dee do.

18 posted on 12/02/2002 12:32:54 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: vin-one
What you put into your body does not just affect you.
19 posted on 12/02/2002 12:38:57 PM PST by Hacksaw
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To: robertpaulsen
All I ever hear on this board is how marijuana is so great for glaucoma -- almost like there is no other treatment.

If you haven't heard about its use for pain, you haven't been paying attention---that has been noted in a number of threads here (threads in which I seem to recall you posting, in fact).

And nausea! I'm getting nauseous myself thinking about how many times marijuana was touted as the only cure for nausea in AIDS patients and cancer patients on chemo.

Provide evidence that marijuana has been cited by any FReeper as the "only" cure for ANYTHING.

20 posted on 12/02/2002 12:42:06 PM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: Hacksaw
What you put into your body does not just affect you.

How does it affect others, and how are those effects any of government's business?

21 posted on 12/02/2002 12:42:54 PM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: robertpaulsen
The whole point is that drug advocates like MrLeRoy do not understand addiction, or he is in denial. I would hate for my pre teen nephews or nieces to read his posts.

For all the fans of the 17 year old drug abuser Jedi Girl, how will you feel if you read her name in the obitiary (sp) column? Would you even give it a second thought?

22 posted on 12/02/2002 12:46:00 PM PST by Hacksaw
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To: MrLeRoy
It affects families, loved ones, and the people they kill.
23 posted on 12/02/2002 12:46:50 PM PST by Hacksaw
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To: Hacksaw
What you put into your body does not just affect you.

How about alcohol, much more damaging than MJ.
but big brother allows that.
get the gov't out of my personal life.
24 posted on 12/02/2002 12:47:53 PM PST by vin-one
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To: Hacksaw
The whole point is that drug advocates like MrLeRoy

I am not a "drug advocate"---I am a freedom advocate.

do not understand addiction, or he is in denial.

What have I written that reveals misunderstanding of addiction?

25 posted on 12/02/2002 12:47:57 PM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: Hacksaw
do not understand addiction

Do YOU understand that tobacco is the most addictive drug around---and that it and alcohol are much more addictive than marijuana?

26 posted on 12/02/2002 12:49:28 PM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: Hacksaw
It affects families, loved ones, and the people they kill.

You didn't answer the second question: how are those effects any of government's business?

27 posted on 12/02/2002 12:50:23 PM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: vin-one
"...afterall it gave us Al capone, the Kennedys, and the Mafia."

Did you ever think that that, in fact, does explain the popularity of the WOD.

Can't argue with success; that's the American Way, right?

Someday there will be trials of the WOD-pursuing b*stards...if they're lucky.
28 posted on 12/02/2002 12:50:56 PM PST by headsonpikes
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To: Hacksaw
WRONG. Anything he or she does on their own time, in their own house with their own damn money doesn't effect you or anyone else.
29 posted on 12/02/2002 12:51:39 PM PST by HELLRAISER II
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To: vin-one
We both know that alcohol has a much greater social history that weed does - despite the stories of the pro Drug Warriors. As I have said before, Jesus passed around wine before his execution - not a joint.

Even so, there are United States counties who still ban alcohol. If the majority supports it, okay.

30 posted on 12/02/2002 12:51:48 PM PST by Hacksaw
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To: Hacksaw
It affects families, loved ones, and the people they kill.

So big brother should take over and tell us how to live our lives.
Just substitute alcohol, tobacco, or anyother of a number of things
for MJ, and what do you get,
Prohibition that benefits,the dealers,
gov't gets bigger, and you pay higher taxes and get more gov't interference with your life.
not exactly what I thought my America stood for.
I thought I was free, free as I what to be as long as the gov't says it is OK.
31 posted on 12/02/2002 12:52:40 PM PST by vin-one
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To: MrLeRoy
Do YOU understand that tobacco is the most addictive drug around---and that it and alcohol are much more addictive than marijuana?

The process to addiction to alcohol or tobacco takes much longer that heroin or weed.

32 posted on 12/02/2002 12:53:28 PM PST by Hacksaw
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To: Hacksaw
It's not a Cocaine or heorin addiction H.S. Hell Alcohol & Nicotine are documented to be more addictive than pot, don't believe me read a few medical journals.
33 posted on 12/02/2002 12:54:12 PM PST by HELLRAISER II
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To: Hacksaw
We both know that alcohol has a much greater social history that weed does

So what?

Even so, there are United States counties who still ban alcohol. If the majority supports it, okay.

Do you support allowing counties to legalize pot?

34 posted on 12/02/2002 12:54:36 PM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: Hacksaw
The process to addiction to alcohol or tobacco takes much longer that heroin or weed.

Provide evidence for your claim.

35 posted on 12/02/2002 12:55:38 PM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: MrLeRoy
I am not a "drug advocate"---I am a freedom advocate.

You are a drug advocate. You attempt to minimize the affects of addiction such as heroin while claiming that tobacco and alcohol are the only dangerous drugs. You have no idea what you are talking about.

36 posted on 12/02/2002 12:55:54 PM PST by Hacksaw
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To: Hacksaw
Jesus passed around wine before his execution - not a joint.

Hack, you see I don't see much of a difference between the two,
those who say, that you don't have to get drunk when you drink,
don't understand that you don't have to get high when smoking weed.

all in all the biggest difference between MJ, and booze is that you don't feel as bad the next day when tying one on with MJ, as you would with booze.
37 posted on 12/02/2002 12:56:58 PM PST by vin-one
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To: Hacksaw
Document 1 death associated with Pot & then look at how many DUI of Alcohol deaths their are, the difference will set you straight on the real drug associated with multiple deaths.
38 posted on 12/02/2002 12:57:13 PM PST by HELLRAISER II
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To: Hacksaw
You attempt to minimize the affects of addiction such as heroin

Provide evidence that I have done so.

while claiming that tobacco and alcohol are the only dangerous drugs.

Provide evidence that I have made this claim.

39 posted on 12/02/2002 12:57:18 PM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: MrLeRoy
So what?

So what? You discard history.

Do you support allowing counties to legalize pot?

Yes.

40 posted on 12/02/2002 12:59:24 PM PST by Hacksaw
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To: Hacksaw
That's it, argue through appeals to emotion rather than logic!

Skydiving accidents kill people often enough, so then why isn't it outlawed? Same with bungee-jumping mishaps. Why am I not allowed to pump my own gas in Oregon?

Frankly, I don't like it when a few stupid people ruin something for everyone else when the government do-gooders decide we non-stupid people can't handle these things.
41 posted on 12/02/2002 12:59:28 PM PST by spodbox
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To: Rocksalt
Who are the liberals going to sue for multi-millions when habitual marijuana-smoking users develop lung cancer? The government?
42 posted on 12/02/2002 12:59:35 PM PST by stripes1776
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To: MrLeRoy
You have made many posts to impley that alcohol and tobacco are the only dangerous drugs. You would be a liar if you denied so.
43 posted on 12/02/2002 1:01:22 PM PST by Hacksaw
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To: Hacksaw; Kevin Curry
So what? You discard history.

I discard irrelevant history. How is the history you cite relevant to the advisibility of legalizing pot?

Do you support allowing counties to legalize pot?

Yes.

Excellent. (Kevin Curry will be along to denounce you shortly.)

44 posted on 12/02/2002 1:02:00 PM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: Hacksaw
You have made many posts to impley that alcohol and tobacco are the only dangerous drugs. You would be a liar if you denied so.

I have implied no such thing---you have incorrectly inferred it.

45 posted on 12/02/2002 1:02:53 PM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: Hacksaw
For all the fans of the 17 year old drug abuser Jedi Girl, how will you feel if you read her name in the obitiary (sp) column? Would you even give it a second thought?

When logic fails, go for the emotions.

46 posted on 12/02/2002 1:03:12 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass
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To: stripes1776
dude, just like the gov't has allowed tobacco lawsuits,
which I believe are the most stupid things in the world.
why would you sue the Gov't they only make the laws,Not make the habitual users smoke, it.
Legalize MJ now, and most of your Drug problems go away,
Gangs have limited cash flow,
Prison Population and incarceration rates drop
Reveunue from Taxation goes up
The world would be a much happier place,
47 posted on 12/02/2002 1:05:09 PM PST by vin-one
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To: Hacksaw
For all the fans of the 17 year old drug abuser Jedi Girl

Slandering someone who has no ability to respond on this forum is pretty bad form if you ask me.
48 posted on 12/02/2002 1:13:28 PM PST by jmc813
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To: Trailerpark Badass
When logic fails, go for the emotions.

Okay, I should not have stated the fact that you are using an admitted 17 year old abuser to justify your position.

49 posted on 12/02/2002 1:13:39 PM PST by Hacksaw
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To: jmc813
Slandering someone who has no ability to respond on this forum is pretty bad form if you ask me.

Oh hell, post it on whatever board she is on and let her rip on me. I am concerned for her, as oppossed to the "You Go Girl" posts.

50 posted on 12/02/2002 1:16:17 PM PST by Hacksaw
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