Posted on 12/01/2002 6:37:28 AM PST by SJackson
Have you ever read THE PLO'S PHASED PLAN adopted in the wake of the Yom Kippur war, in recognition of the fact that the Arab’s couldn’t defeat Israel militarily?
They’re TELLING the world what they are going to do.
Article 2: Through the "armed struggle" (i.e., terrorism), to establish an "independent combatant national authority" over any territory that is "liberated" from Israeli rule.
Next, Article 4, continue the struggle against Israel, using the territory of the national authority as a base of operations
finally, article 8, provoke an all-out war in which Israel's Arab neighbors destroy it.
So much for negotiations, though from Oslo makes sense from this perspective. So does the “road map”
BTW, note articles 5 and 6, they’re planning on overthrowing Jordan along the way. After all, it is their true “homeland”
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THE PLO'S PHASED PLAN
Political Programme
Adopted at the 12th Session of the Palestinian National Council
Cairo, June 9, 1974
Text of the Phased Plan resolution:
The Palestinian National Council:
On the basis of the Palestinian National Charter and the Political Programme drawn up at the eleventh session, held from January 6-12, 1973; and from its belief that it is impossible for a permanent and just peace to be established in the area unless our Palestinian people recover all their national rights and, first and foremost, their rights to return and to self-determination on the whole of the soil of their homeland; and in the light of a study of the new political circumstances that have come into existence in the period between the Council's last and present sessions, resolves the following:
1. To reaffirm the Palestine Liberation Organization's previous attitude to Resolution 242, which obliterates the national right of our people and deals with the cause of our people as a problem of refugees. The Council therefore refuses to have anything to do with this resolution at any level, Arab or international, including the Geneva Conference.
2. The Liberation Organization will employ all means, and first and foremost armed struggle, to liberate Palestinian territory and to establish the independent combatant national authority for the people over every part of Palestinian territory that is liberated. This will require further changes being effected in the balance of power in favour of our people and their struggle.
3. The Liberation Organization will struggle against any proposal for a Palestinian entity the price of which is recognition, peace, secure frontiers, renunciation of national rights and the deprival of our people of their right to return and their right to self-determination on the soil of their homeland.
4. Any step taken towards liberation is a step towards the realization of the Liberation Organization's strategy of establishing the democratic Palestinian state specified in the resolutions of previous Palestinian National Councils.
5. Struggle along with the Jordanian national forces to establish a Jordanian-Palestinian national front whose aim will be to set up in Jordan a democratic national authority in close contact with the Palestinian entity that is established through the struggle.
6. The Liberation Organization will struggle to establish unity in struggle between the two peoples and between all the forces of the Arab liberation movement that are in agreement on this programme.
7. In the light of this programme, the Liberation Organization will struggle to strengthen national unity and to raise it to the level where it will be able to perform its national duties and tasks.
8. Once it is estabished, the Palestinian national authority will strive to achieve a union of the confrontation countries, with the aim of completing the liberation of all Palestinian territory, and as a step along the road to comprehensive Arab unity.
9. The Liberation Organization will strive to strengthen its solidarity with the socialist countries, and with forces of liberation and progress throughout the world, with the aim of frustration all the schemes of Zionism, reaction and imperialism.
10. In light of this programme, the leadership of the revolution will determine the tactics which will serve and make possible the realization of these objectives.
The Executive Committee of the Palestine Liberation Organization will make every effort to implement this programme, and should a situation arise affecting the destiny and the future of the Palestinian people, the National Assembly will be convened in extraordinary session.
First of all, the land belongs to Israel for the simple reason that they won it in battle (that the Arabs initiated). Do you have a problem with land won in this manner? If so, and to be consistent, perhaps you should get the hell out of the U.S....for after all, we did win our land in battles with Native Americans.
Secondly, when you and your ilk start protesting about the amount of money the American taxpayer gives to a terrorist sponsoring state (Egpyt, $2 billion/yr) and an actual terrorist organization (The PA, $500 million/yr) instead of just focusing solely on the amount we give to the only western democracy in the region (Israel), then perhaps your argument would have some validity. As it is now, you just look like an ignorant fool.
This does not follow. Just as Hussein took Kuwait, it was taken from him. By your logic, you should not care about the allies (US) taking it back. I don't particularily like the concept of an American Imperium imposing a PAX AMERICANA. But, the alternatives all look worse.
I would happily entertain any alternatives that you can come up with. Good ones would brighten up the future a bit. Though I must say, the future doesn't look necessarily horribly glum.
And you forgot (or never understood) that our tax money going to Egypt and the PA is going at the behest, and in the interests of, the Israelis. The money given to Egypt and the PA is bribe money to keep them subservient to Isreali interests.
It has worked in the case of Egypt, but not in the case of the PA, because unlike the Egyptians, the Israelis are actively pursuing a policy of ethnically cleansing the Palestinians, by a gradual process of colonization via settlements, and expulsion, land seizures, state terrorism (using weapons paid for by the US taxpayer, rather than suicide bombers), and economic strangulation. Under these circumstances, our bribe money to the PA is insufficient to prevent them (or other, non-PA forces) from striking back at the Israelis with whatever weapons they have (very few, which is why suicide bombers are used; it is the one weapon they have which has any effect).
Under such circumstances, we have just as much right to object to the detrimental effects of our tax dollars being used to fund Israeli aggression in the Occupied Territories, as we do of aid money going to Egypt or the PA. If we were not bound, hand and foot, in subservience to the Israeli lobby, we would not have to send billions of dollars every year, either to Israeli, or to our subservient or would-be subservient clients in Egypt and Palestine. If we weren't being dragged into this mess by treasonous forces within our country's elites, we wouldn't have to give a penney to either side.
To h_ll with both sides: they are getting, or will get, precisely what they deserve. There is no need for us to be dragged down with them.
But then, a) the Arabs are living in a desert, b) the Arabs don't have access to billions in foreign money which they can waste on inefficient, water-wasteful modern farming techniques. Pull the plug on the Israeli gravy train, and force them to live on solely their own resources and efforts, and we will quickly see there is nothing "miraculous" about the state of Israel.
It is a parasite and a socialist sparta; Israel needs to do a little soul-searching and reform before it moves to take more land that doesn't belong to it. If Israel had to pay the bill for its own aggression, or its own economic "experiments", it would rapidly reform itself. As long as we continue to pay for its existence, it has no incentive to do so.
Yes.
>Those other Children of the 10 "lost" tribes have long ago assimilated into wherever.
There is no evidence whatever to support this "traditional" view. It is the politically correct view, strictly a "default" position offered long ago by those who had no answer but were not honest enough to simply say "I don't know".
That "answer" has been accepted down through the years (for it does solve a number of touchy political and biblical problems) and became part of church "custom and tradition", much like saying the earth was flat and the center of the universe. But to say the Lost Tribes of Israel "assimilated" is as totally lacking in merit as saying "Jesus spent most of his life as a carpenter". There is no Biblical support whatever for Jesus swinging a hammer after age 12.
>These Jewish people have been trodden upon by Gentiles for Millennia.
What does that have to do with who are Israelites, assuming it is literally true? Do you really know who the Gentiles are?
>The Jews as we recognize them have been kicked out of almost every country ever known, including their own.
That has no bearing whatever on whether or not todays Jews are the worlds only Israelites.
>The Jewish people have contributed more to Civization than any other ethnic group on the face of the Earth!
Jews have generally found a welcome haven in the company of their ethnic cousins, the Celts who make up the majority of Europeans and Americans. Jews are not a separate "ethnic" group, other than being a part of the white race.
>Should we continue to oppress Jews?
Hey, I'm not oppressing Jews! Are you oppressing Jews?
>These people who are trying to destroy them ... by ... foolish history revisions
I'm sorry you miss then entire point of my post. I am neither trying to "destroy Jews", nor engaging in "foolish history revisions". I am trying to support my Jewish cousins by helping both them and their Celtic cousins understand who there really are!
Do you think there is no reason why Jews find a safe haven in the nations of their cousins. Do you think there is no reason why America and Europe today are the only nations on earth supporting Jews and the new Nation Israel? Do you think there is no reason why Jews and Celts looks so much like cousins?
>I shall always support Israel.
Me too, but I shall do so on my own terms, which foremost includes getting the historic facts right and supporting for the right reasons.
I suppose you're completely unaware that Israel's firing of the first shots in that war was a pre-emptive strike against massive Arab forces built up on Israel's borders. ...Or perhaps you just choose to ignore the facts at your convenience? And btw, the Israelis kicked the holy crap out of all those Arab nations completely without U.S. aid of any kind, including weapons. They were using mostly home grown or French equipment at the time.
we have just as much right to object to the detrimental effects of our tax dollars being used to fund Israeli aggression in the Occupied Territories, as we do of aid money going to Egypt or the PA. If we were not bound, hand and foot, in subservience to the Israeli lobby
I agree with you that we shouldn't be sending tax dollars to either side (or ANY country for that matter), but your paranoid rant about the vast influence of "the Israeli lobby" is getting old. Those Jooos sure are powerful, eh?
because unlike the Egyptians, the Israelis are actively pursuing a policy of ethnically cleansing the Palestinians
You have a problem with the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians? I don't. And I suspect you wouldn't either if not for your blind and irrational hatred of all things Israeli/Jewish. As far as the Egyptians are concerned, they're second only to the Saudis when it comes to the dissemination of anti-U.S. propaganda, and inspiring terrorism against us. But of course (in your mind) none of this would be a concern if we merely stopped supporting the "Zionist entity."
LOL, talk about myths.
Actually, the 67 war started in May, when Nasser not only ordered the U.N.E.F forces out of the Sinai, but also imposed a naval blockade on the Gulf of Aqaba , as clear an act of war as you’ll find anywhere.
The 56 war, want to tell me when the post 48 attacks ended? Of course, you discount the naval blockade of the Straits of Tiran, I’m sure. Yeah, Israel just woke up one day and said, “Gee, who can we attack today”, and well, there was no one but poor victimized Egypt, minding her own business, no time to mobilize (LOL)
Almost as nasty as what we did to Afghanistan, no proper warning and all.
Thanks for the note, my friend. We are all on the same side, searching for truth and God's enlightenment wherever we can find it.
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