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S. Carolina: No Tattoo's Here!
CAPITALISTCHICKS.COM ^ | FR Post 12-1-2002 | Debbie Brannigan

Posted on 12/01/2002 1:24:01 PM PST by vannrox

S. Carolina: No Tattoo's Here!

Debbie Brannigan (Email Author)

"Never say never". That has been my mantra these days. Ten years ago it seems I had a never ending list of things that "I'll never (fill in blank)". One of those was "I'll never get a tattoo." I would have sworn to it back then. Well here I am, in my late 30's, getting a tattoo. It was not a rash decision made while finishing off rounds of tequila in the bar. No, actually, it was a very long thought process with much research. Those who know Tara and me personally know that we had a very rough and challenging time just a few years back. This tattoo was a personal marker of that time and how we came through it. Like most people who get tattoos, it is a very personal statement that marks a significant chapter of your life.

Perhaps this is why I find the tattoo ban of South Carolina so absurd. It seems outrageous that in the Land of the Free, there is a law prohibiting self expression on your very own body. No, this is not one of those antiquated laws that nobody pays attention to, like not being allowed to go hatless in public on a Sunday. No, this is a very real and every enforced law.

Sect. 16-17-700 (S.C. Code of Laws)

"It is unlawful for a person to tattoo any part of the body of another person. It is not unlawful for a licensed physician or surgeon to tattoo part of a patient's body if in his medical opinion it is necessary when performing cosmetic or reconstructive surgery."

I can't help but laugh at the image of my doctor performing a pap smear, and then scrubbing up for a "tattoo procedure". I don't know any physicians that can write a prescription clearly and I can't imagine what a tattoo by one would be like. Considering it is only permitted when deemed medically necessary, I don't suppose many will find out what creative talents their doctors may possess.

"Certainly this is not being enforced" you may say. Oh, but it is! Consider the case of Mr. Ron White. Ron is a talented and dedicated tattoo artist currently living in Florence, S.C. In 2000, WBTW-TV was filming a 3-part series on the history and practice of tattooing. The station asked White to demonstrate the process. On camera, in his own home, he tattooed the arm of a willing participant. When the program aired, the county sheriff arrested White and he was sentenced to a year in prison and a fine of $2,500. This was later reduced to 5 years of probation and a $500 fine. Now Ron White can't carry his firearms, drink in a bar, or leave the state without prior permission from his probation officer.

White appealed his conviction all the way to the S.C. Supreme Court. He contested that tattooing is an art form and should be protected by the First Amendment. The Supreme Court did not see it that way and on March 4th, they upheld his conviction. Undeterred, Ron's next move was on to the US Supreme Court. An international law firm, Kirkland & Ellis, took up Ron’s cause and is providing him with legal services free of charge. His lawyer is none other than Kenneth Starr who became well known when he headed up the investigation into President Clinton's Whitewater real estate development and former White House intern, Monica Lewinsky. "In a free society, this is intolerable." says Starr.

South Carolina is one of only two states that ban tattooing entirely. Oklahoma is the other.

South Carolinians who wish to get tattooed must either cross the border or do it illegally. People are doing it in basements and backrooms and this can only increase the risk of disease. Tattoo artists like White would like to see the state create health regulations for the practice to ensure public safety. They would like to be allowed to operate a business and claim that the state is only losing out on revenue to its neighboring states, N. Carolina and Georgia.

Opponents to this ban have an ally in the S. Carolina State Senate: Sen. William Mescher, R-Berkeley. Mescher says he would like to bring tattooing out of the underworld of basements and garages, and let the Dept of Health and Environmental Control regulate it. He has introduced legislation over and over for several years in an attempt to lift the ban. The medical community and DHEC support Mescher's measures, as does the Governor's office. So where is the resistance? For as long as Mescher has tried to legalize tattooing, Jake Knotts has stood in his way. Jake Knotts is a Lexington Republican who served many years in the SC House of Representatives before recently winning a special election to the State Senate. Knotts bases his opposition to tattooing on what he claims is a biblical mandate against marking the body. "It's spelled out very vividly in the Bible that tattooing is taboo" Knotts has said. "I am opposed to it and it ain't gonna pass. I'll do whatever I got to do to stop it. " It is mentalities like this that make me thankful for Separation of Church and State.

I found it hard to believe that this ban was enforced and upheld purely by personal religious opposition and attempted to find the documented reasoning behind the law. I naturally contacted Sen. Mescher's office and expected the usual brush off. Not the case. I was helped by Sen Mescher's very informative assistant, Debbie Griffin. Not only did I get her direct phone number and email address, she also faxed over countless documents and articles. I was surprised to see that the only wording documented is the brief paragraph of text that I listed above (sect 16-17-700). There is never any mention as to WHY this ban was approved. It is assumed that it was originally a health concern. In the 1960's nearly all states banned tattooing after a hepatitis outbreak was blamed on a dirty tattoo parlor in New York. By the 1980's those prohibitions had all vanished, except in S. Carolina and Oklahoma. It is ridiculous to think that you can pierce any imaginable body part and ride your motorcycle without a he lmet but you cannot adorn yourself with a tattoo in S. Carolina.

Tattooing is an ancient art form that can be traced back to Egypt 8,000 years ago. Celtic tribes used plant pigments for tattooing in early cultures and the oldest proof of tattooing can be found on the body of a 5,300 year old "iceman". Tattooing is the oldest form self expression and individuality. In modern day America tattoos have progressed from the bad-ass-biker-gang image to a more main stream and even chic persona. The fastest growing category of tattoo clients in America is the suburban upper class female aged 35-45 years. Not quite the same clientele you'd see in tattoo parlors of the 50's and 60's. Thus, most parlors today are the high tech and sterile environments that this new clientele would prefer and expect. There appears to be little risk that tattooing presents a serious problem in public health. According to a dermatologist in the Federal Office of Cosmetics and Colors the most common problem with tattoos is not infection but dissatisfaction. As for myself, I am completely satis fied with my own tattoo. Not only with the artwork itself but also with the artist, Jen Billings, and the clean and friendly parlor: "Atlas Tattoo" of Portland, OR. I could not imagine having to go across state lines or in some back alley to have it done.

For Ron White and Ken Starr, the legal battle continues. On October 7th the U.S. Supreme Court denied to review the case. Their case is now pending in Federal Habias Court. In the meantime, there is some hope of repeal through the legislative process. Previously, Sen. Mescher's bill would pass only to die in the House at the hands of Rep. Knotts. Now that Jake Knotts was elected to the state senate in April, there is little opposition left in the House.

If you are reading this and living in S. Carolina, I would suggest you contact your local congressman and voice an opinion on this ban. For Ron White the road to justice must seem long and frustrating. He will continue his probation restrictions and wait for the day he can actually ply his trade as a valid businessman and recognized artist.

Until then, the 1st Amendment will protect the art but jail the artist in S. Carolina.



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1 posted on 12/01/2002 1:24:01 PM PST by vannrox
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To: vannrox
Dear Debbie,

It's just so fascinating and all to hear of your tattoo. However, none of us here gives a fudge, so kindly keep your trap shut.

Sincerely,
2 posted on 12/01/2002 1:27:28 PM PST by paulklenk
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To: vannrox
FYI: the U.S. Supreme Court turned down this case last month.
3 posted on 12/01/2002 1:28:48 PM PST by AntiGuv
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To: paulklenk
The Issue is this...


"...There is never any mention as to WHY this ban was approved. It is assumed that it was originally a health concern. In the 1960's nearly all states banned tattooing after a hepatitis outbreak was blamed on a dirty tattoo parlor in New York. By the 1980's those prohibitions had all vanished, except in S. Carolina and Oklahoma. It is ridiculous to think that you can pierce any imaginable body part and ride your motorcycle without a he lmet but you cannot adorn yourself with a tattoo in S. Carolina...."
4 posted on 12/01/2002 1:30:01 PM PST by vannrox
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To: vannrox
BUMP
5 posted on 12/01/2002 1:31:13 PM PST by Aurelius
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To: AntiGuv
Probably turned down on the basis of the 10th Amendment. Certainly it is a local state issue. The solution would be for high schools to teach civics...but that is never going to happen in SC.
6 posted on 12/01/2002 1:31:38 PM PST by vannrox
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To: vannrox
TAT BUMP

As the proud bearer of a well-considered (and, BTW, visible only when shirtless) tattoo administered gratis by a good bud of mine, I want to know, what exactly are these biblical mandates against tattoos? Where is it "spelled out very vividly in the Bible that tattooing is taboo"? (Bwaha-- ain't it also spelled out very vividly in the Bible that drinking alcohol is a mortal sin? /cheeked tongue)

7 posted on 12/01/2002 1:38:21 PM PST by maxwell
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To: vannrox
There are ways to get laws overturned, repealed, or rewritten; none of those ways should involve the judicial system.
8 posted on 12/01/2002 1:40:34 PM PST by jz638
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To: vannrox
Next on the books- a law prohibiting misuse of apostrophes!
9 posted on 12/01/2002 1:43:00 PM PST by frodolives
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To: vannrox
Is tatooing illegal in SC? So glad to hear it, but it doesn't seem to inhibit what I like to call the inverse ration of tatoos to teeth I have observed among SC natives...(the more tatoos, the fewer teeth)...

I'd like to know of a way to invest in tatoo removal. There are going to be some serious, painful and expensive regrets that I could turn into an investment profit if I just knew how to go about it.

10 posted on 12/01/2002 1:43:12 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: vannrox
Whoops! I just got around to reading the final two paragraphs, where it mentions the Supreme Court turning the appeal down. Interesting that the case remains alive on a different level; I didn't know that. I can't imagine why the South Carolina legislature has failed to repeal this idiotic statute.
11 posted on 12/01/2002 1:47:31 PM PST by AntiGuv
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To: vannrox
I am for keeping this ban on tattooing in South Carolina. I plan on writing my reps and reiterating the need for it. Tattooing is a pagan, heathen practice. I wish to preserve a Christian-as-possible culture.
12 posted on 12/01/2002 1:50:56 PM PST by CWRWinger
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To: Mamzelle
You obviously don't know many South Carolinians. I know many men and women with tattoos and all have nice teeth.
13 posted on 12/01/2002 2:02:20 PM PST by rebelyell
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To: vannrox


Well, there goes the neighborhood.
14 posted on 12/01/2002 2:03:45 PM PST by reagan_fanatic
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To: reagan_fanatic
Chelsea?
15 posted on 12/01/2002 2:06:06 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: vannrox
I heard of some law sponsored from that AZ Senator- something about reforming campaigns and speech and oh well, let's not go there.(/sarcasm)
16 posted on 12/01/2002 2:20:11 PM PST by Mark
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To: Mamzelle
South Carolina has a tatoo ban it is news to the parents of Clemson students that come home sporting that paw ( you cannot see). The remark about the teeth was idiotic.
The people from SC are more than nice to us when we visit.




17 posted on 12/01/2002 2:20:24 PM PST by oldironsides
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To: Bella_Bru
Comments, Miss Bella?
18 posted on 12/01/2002 2:21:25 PM PST by maxwell
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To: maxwell
For a while, tattooing was illegal in NYC. Curiously, some of the best work came out of NYC at that same time.
19 posted on 12/01/2002 2:23:39 PM PST by Bella_Bru
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To: CWRWinger
Agreed, I didn't even know about this ban, but just another reason to support South Carolina. Truely becoming one of the few Southern states that has kept its ideals
20 posted on 12/01/2002 2:24:03 PM PST by billbears
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To: CWRWinger
I wish to preserve a Christian-as-possible culture.

So, what is your take on circumcision? What about women cutting their hair or wearing make-up and jewelry? Do any women in your life have their ears pierced? How about you, do you have your ears pierced?

21 posted on 12/01/2002 3:16:49 PM PST by Tennessee_Bob
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To: Mamzelle
I agree tattoo removal could be an excellent investment about this time. It has been a real fad for many years now. If people want to get them,great,but I wonder how many young people get them just to keep up with the latest fad. the permanence of them as always scared me off.
23 posted on 12/01/2002 4:22:21 PM PST by Rocksalt
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To: maxwell; CWRWinger
Where is it "spelled out very vividly in the Bible that tattooing is taboo"?

I'd like to know too. Perhaps our Holier-than-thou freepers can let us know.

Being a former Fundamentalist, I did some research on this before I got my tattoo about 5 years ago. The only thing I could find in the Bible is an Old Testament passage about God's people being prohibited from "making marks on one's body in rememberance of the dead" (not exact wording, but as close as I recall). A few months later, I read that early (1st/2nd century) Christians tattooed Crosses on the insides of their forearms as a sign of Faith. Days later, I was in the chair, getting inked. It's a tribal style eagle with a "USA" tribal band that wraps half-way around my upper right arm.

My family and I are currently converting to the Catholic Faith and we're attending Catechism classes. As far as I know, the traditional Church takes no stand on this issue, but I will find out the specifics before I get inked again.

CWRWinger - I hope you're joking!

24 posted on 12/01/2002 4:34:37 PM PST by pocat
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To: vannrox
I've been to Myrtle Beach several times and I'm pretty sure I've seen open tattoo parlors right on the strip. I could be wrong, but that's my recollection.
25 posted on 12/01/2002 4:44:15 PM PST by Azzurri
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To: billbears
Truely becoming one of the few Southern states that has kept its ideals

What "ideals" are those?

Suppressing the individual to please the wannabe theocrats?

Look, I'm pro-South, pro-life and pro-religion all the way, but what these idiot SC legislators are doing is the exact reason that our Founders were against State-sponsored religion.

26 posted on 12/01/2002 4:58:03 PM PST by pocat
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To: Tennessee_Bob
So, what is your take on circumcision? What about women cutting their hair or wearing make-up and jewelry? Do any women in your life have their ears pierced? How about you, do you have your ears pierced?

You've been around FR long enough to know it's rude to stray from the subject of a thread. Why don't you start a thread on each of the above idle musings.

You are not a sincere seeker of the truth.

27 posted on 12/01/2002 4:58:37 PM PST by CWRWinger
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here are a few verses about drinking, decide for yourself

Ephesians 5:18 And do not get drunk with wine, for that is dissipation, but be filled with the Spirit,

Proverbs 20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink a brawler, and whoever is intoxicated by it is not wise.

Proverbs 23:20-21 20 Do not be with heavy drinkers of wine, or with gluttonous eaters of meat; 21 For the heavy drinker and the glutton will come to poverty, and drowsiness will clothe one with rags. Here's what is said about John the Baptist:

Luke 1:15 "For he will be great in the sight of the Lord; and he will drink no wine or liquor, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit while yet in his mother's womb.

strong drink,

Luke 21:34-36 34 "Be on guard, so that your hearts will not be weighted down with dissipation and drunkenness and the worries of life, and that day will not come on you suddenly like a trap; 35 for it will come upon all those who dwell on the face of all the earth. 36 "But keep on the alert at all times, praying that you may have strength to escape all these things that are about to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man."

1 Thessalonians 5:4-10 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, that the day would overtake you like a thief; 5 for you are all sons of light and sons of day. We are not of night nor of darkness; 6 so then let us not sleep as others do, but let us be alert and sober. 7 For those who sleep do their sleeping at night, and those who get drunk get drunk at night. 8 But since we are of the day, let us be sober, having put on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet, the hope of salvation. 9 For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, 10 who died for us, so that whether we are awake or asleep, we will live together with Him.

Proverbs 23:29-35 29 Who has woe? Who has sorrow? Who has contentions? Who has complaining? Who has wounds without cause? Who has redness of eyes? 30 Those who linger long over wine, those who go to taste mixed wine. 31 Do not look on the wine when it is red, when it sparkles in the cup, when it goes down smoothly; 32 At the last it bites like a serpent and stings like a viper. 33 Your eyes will see strange things and your mind will utter perverse things. 34 And you will be like one who lies down in the middle of the sea, or like one who lies down on the top of a mast. 35 "They struck me, but I did not become ill; they beat me, but I did not know it. When shall I awake? I will seek another drink."

Romans 13:13-14 13 Let us behave properly as in the day, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual promiscuity and sensuality, not in strife and jealousy. 14 But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh in regard to its lusts. More verses.

Isaiah 5:11-13 11 Woe to those who rise early in the morning that they may pursue strong drink, who stay up late in the evening that wine may inflame them! 12 Their banquets are accompanied by lyre and harp, by tambourine and flute, and by wine; but they do not pay attention to the deeds of the LORD, nor do they consider the work of His hands. 13 Therefore My people go into exile for their lack of knowledge; and their honorable men are famished, and their multitude is parched with thirst.

Matthew 24:46-51 46 "Blessed is that slave whom his master finds so doing when he comes. 47 "Truly I say to you that he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48 "But if that evil slave says in his heart, "My master is not coming for a long time,' 49 and begins to beat his fellow slaves and eat and drink with drunkards; 50 the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour which he does not know, 51 and will cut him in pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Luke 12:43-49 43 "Blessed is that slave whom his master finds so doing when he comes. 44 "Truly I say to you that he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 45 "But if that slave says in his heart, "My master will be a long time in coming,' and begins to beat the slaves, both men and women, and to eat and drink and get drunk; 46 the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know, and will cut him in pieces, and assign him a place with the unbelievers. 47 "And that slave who knew his master's will and did not get ready or act in accord with his will, will receive many lashes, 48 but the one who did not know it and committed deeds worthy of a flogging, will receive but few. From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more. 49 "I have come to cast fire upon the earth; and how I wish it were already kindled!

Galatians 5:19-25 19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, 21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. 24 Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit.

Ecclesiastes 10:14-20 14 Yet the fool multiplies words. No man knows what will happen, and who can tell him what will come after him? 15 The toil of a fool so wearies him that he does not even know how to go to a city. 16 Woe to you, O land, whose king is a lad and whose princes feast in the morning. 17 Blessed are you, O land, whose king is of nobility and whose princes eat at the appropriate time-- for strength and not for drunkenness. 18 Through indolence the rafters sag, and through slackness the house leaks. 19 Men prepare a meal for enjoyment, and wine makes life merry, and money is the answer to everything. 20 Furthermore, in your bedchamber do not curse a king, and in your sleeping rooms do not curse a rich man, for a bird of the heavens will carry the sound and the winged creature will make the matter known.

28 posted on 12/01/2002 5:03:34 PM PST by Maxpowers
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To: CWRWinger
Bear with me for a moment here.

From the article:

Knotts bases his opposition to tattooing on what he claims is a biblical mandate against marking the body. "It's spelled out very vividly in the Bible that tattooing is taboo" Knotts has said. "I am opposed to it and it ain't gonna pass. I'll do whatever I got to do to stop it. "

From the article:

It is ridiculous to think that you can pierce any imaginable body part and ride your motorcycle without a he lmet but you cannot adorn yourself with a tattoo in S. Carolina.

From your reply:

Tattooing is a pagan, heathen practice. I wish to preserve a Christian-as-possible culture.

I believe my question still applies - what is your stand on the items I mentioned?

29 posted on 12/01/2002 5:05:49 PM PST by Tennessee_Bob
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To: pocat
"Look, I'm pro-South, pro-life and pro-religion all the way, but what these idiot SC legislators are doing is the exact reason that our Founders were against State-sponsored religion."

Getting a tattoo is a persnonal matter that is no concern of government. For myself, I'd never do it.

30 posted on 12/01/2002 5:16:59 PM PST by blackbart.223
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To: pocat
The only thing I could find in the Bible is an Old Testament passage about God's people being prohibited from "making marks on one's body in rememberance of the dead" (not exact wording, but as close as I recall).

"Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the Lord."

Leviticus 19:28

31 posted on 12/01/2002 5:22:02 PM PST by Down South P.E.
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To: Azzurri
I could be wrong...

You're wrong...

32 posted on 12/01/2002 5:31:36 PM PST by Libloather
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To: paulklenk
If people like you didn't see fit to block her from getting a tattoo, she wouldn't be making an issue of it.
33 posted on 12/01/2002 5:33:59 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: pocat
I'd like to know too.

I suggest you get with your local spiritual consultant and get your answers. Or why not email Jake Knotts at "JMK@scstatehouse.net" and ask him.

34 posted on 12/01/2002 5:37:33 PM PST by CWRWinger
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To: vannrox
Knotts has said. "I am opposed to it and it ain't gonna pass. I'll do whatever I got to do to stop it. "

Thank you, again, Senator Knotts.

This gentleman has made positive contributions to SC in many ways.

35 posted on 12/01/2002 5:41:04 PM PST by CWRWinger
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To: Tennessee_Bob
You are just upset at my original comment, or something.
36 posted on 12/01/2002 5:45:05 PM PST by CWRWinger
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To: pocat
idiot SC legislators are doing is the exact reason that our Founders were against State-sponsored religion.

Well that's not entirely true now is it? The introduction of a required religion was limited of course at the federal level, but as evidenced by several of the states establishing official churches (off the top of my head Massachusetts' Congregational church and South Carolina's proclamation that Christian Protestant was the official religion in that state) in the decades after 1789 and their separate state constitutions requiring belief in God (Almighty God in some cases insinuating a Judeo-Christian God) before holding office

37 posted on 12/01/2002 5:47:24 PM PST by billbears
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To: pocat
I hope you're joking!

No.

Why don't you have a cow over South Carolina's Blue Laws? You seem to be in the mood.

38 posted on 12/01/2002 5:48:28 PM PST by CWRWinger
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To: CWRWinger
Nope, just wondering how you feel about the other practices that the state does allow. You "wish to preserve a Christian-as-possible culture," so, where do you stand on those other pagan and/or heathen practices, like makeup, ear-rings and other jewelery? The question goes hand in glove with the statement that you made.

Put up your Christmas tree yet??

39 posted on 12/01/2002 5:52:08 PM PST by Tennessee_Bob
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To: billbears
Truely becoming one of the few Southern states that has kept its ideals

Thank you for your comments. With real men like Jake Knotts, Danny Verdin and others, we'll be able to hold the line.

I wish I could say, "Turn things around", also.

40 posted on 12/01/2002 5:54:31 PM PST by CWRWinger
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To: CWRWinger
South Carolina's Blue Laws

I'm probably the last generation to ever experience Blue Laws here in NC. I remember as a little kid, even early teens, everything was closed on Sunday. It was absolutely wonderful on a Sunday afternoon. Hardly any traffic out except for some folks visiting relatives and so much quieter.

41 posted on 12/01/2002 5:59:34 PM PST by billbears
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To: pocat; CWRWinger
This is a states' rights issue as far as I'm concerned, not a religious or artistic issue. When enough South Carolinians are fed up with the ban, then they'll change the law. Until then, it's up to South Carolinians whether or not they ban tattoos. The Supreme Court declined to hear it, most likely because the Court doesn't see any need to hear it. I hear you can only buy liquor in those little, tiny airport bottles in SC, too, but whose business is it but the people of South Carolina?

I'm from North Carolina, and I say this tattoo ban is purely a South Carolina issue and non-South Carolinians should stay out of it. Anyone who just can't stand for their skin to be un-tattooed any longer can hop up here to NC to get tattooed, just like if I feel the overwhelming need to buy a lottery ticket, I can go to SC or VA to buy one. I have no idea how much tattoos cost, but if you've got the money to waste on one, you've got the money to travel to get one.

Having said that, I see nothing wrong with tattoos in moderation. My granddaddy had the obligatory anchor, mermaid and heart tattooed on his forearms and upper arms from his Coast Guard days and so I'm used to seeing them.

As far as tattoos being a pagan, heathen practice, well that's merely their origin. So are wedding cakes. Some of the best Christians I ever knew were tattooed. Tattoos in and of themselves aren't going to keep anyone out of heaven, that's for sure.

I think this whole thing is a tempest in a teapot, on both sides of the argument.
42 posted on 12/01/2002 6:08:13 PM PST by wimpycat
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To: billbears
Wilmington had Blue Laws when I was growing up. I can remember everything being closed on Sundays--except for convenience stores.
43 posted on 12/01/2002 6:11:27 PM PST by wimpycat
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To: Mamzelle
"...Chelsea?..."

I thought the same thing.

Give her a few years, a few broken marriages, a tanker truck or two of brown liquor...

44 posted on 12/01/2002 6:26:07 PM PST by DWSUWF
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To: wimpycat
re: I hear you can only buy liquor in those little, tiny airport bottles in SC, too, but whose business is it but the people of South Carolina? )))

That's only in bars. Bartenders are allowed no artistry in SC--they can only use the little bottles with standard measured ingredients. A margarita has one full measure of tequila, and another full measure of triple sec. Too much triple sec... I wondered what the rationale was...was the legislature trying to protect the drinker as a consumer, from watered-down drinks?

45 posted on 12/01/2002 7:28:31 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: vannrox
"It is unlawful for a person to tattoo any part of the body of another person."

Well, that settles it then. If you want a tattoo, do it yourself!
46 posted on 12/01/2002 7:30:43 PM PST by July 4th
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To: vannrox
If you are reading this and living in S. Carolina

I am reading this and I live in South Carolina. I will immediately contact my senator, Jake Knotts, and tell him to hold the line.

By the way, somebody tell this bimbo that here in the "Land of the Free" nobody wishes to "prohibit self expression on her very own body." She is free to go anywhere outside South Carolina and express till her heart's content. We won't even hold it against her.

47 posted on 12/01/2002 7:36:10 PM PST by PistolPaknMama
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To: Mamzelle
among SC natives...(the more tatoos, the fewer teeth)...

I was born in South Carolina. Have lived here all my 49 years. Know a lot of people with tatoos who are generally ex-military. Your observations are more bigoted than factual.

48 posted on 12/01/2002 7:41:14 PM PST by PistolPaknMama
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To: oldironsides
Tattoos (I've learned to spell the word) are LOW RENT and just plain disgusting. The sooner we put parlors out of business, the better. Tattoo parlors aid in the transmission of Hepatitis C due to poor hygene...and could transmit HIV. Hep C is easier than AIDs, however, due to a higher transmission rate with infected needles. Even
(toothsome) Clemson students from Nice Families can get Hep C or HIV.
49 posted on 12/01/2002 7:45:30 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: PistolPaknMama
Tattoos used to be for sailors. Now sorority girls get tattooed barbed wire around their biceps. disGUSTING.
50 posted on 12/01/2002 7:47:24 PM PST by Mamzelle
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