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Students Fight Back Introducing NoIndoctrination.org
NRO ^ | 12/2/2002 | Stanley Kurtz

Posted on 12/02/2002 7:12:29 AM PST by geedee

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To: Tijeras_Slim
Good read. I glad to see that there is resistance to these liberal educators and their phychobable. I'm just glad that my son's teachers have tended to not be smart enough to have an opinion.
21 posted on 12/02/2002 8:53:06 AM PST by CougarGA7
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To: Clemenza; PARodrig; Yehuda; rmlew
food for thought
22 posted on 12/02/2002 8:55:57 AM PST by Cacique
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To: geedee
I think these web sites are an excellent idea. It's time conservative students networked to end this political madness on our university campuses.

I viewed an interesting expose on a student who had a great idea on his campus. He was tired of the cultural preferences used to make sure every lunatic fringe sexual and deviant lifestyle was represented on the student body pannel. He surmised that his conservatism placed him in a slim miniority on campus.

In truth, out of about 150 professors on campus, only two were registered Republicans. Therefore the student surmised that conservative voices were seldom heard on campus, and he demanded a spot on the student council.

This is an idea that should be implemented on as many campuses as possible.

The campus paper should have conservative representation on a par with liberal representation. There's a lot of room for similar ideas in a number of areas on campuses around the nation.

This should be suggested as a viable game plan on the sights mentioned in the article. Anything we can do to open up those campuses to conservatism is a good thing. I might suggest that if quotas are used in any way with regard to teachers, (so many women to men, blacks or hispanics to whites etc) that a precident has been set that could be used to force more conservative professors onto these campuses. It's certainly worth a try.

23 posted on 12/02/2002 8:58:11 AM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: Interesting Times
Thanks for the ping. I commented in post 23.
24 posted on 12/02/2002 9:01:38 AM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: Aquinasfan
i think they have exceded their bandwidth thanks to us freepers! lol
25 posted on 12/02/2002 9:04:04 AM PST by Frapster
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To: geedee
My most liberal professor was at her usual best today... the word 'conservative' was used 7 times while describing the 'from outer-space' SCOTUS decisions in two of our cases today. She also called Bradley v Milliken the "most evil decision of the 20th Century" (the court refused to allow the remedy in a racial school case to extend out of the district).

The other thing that bothered me today was her insistence that "property rights are NOT natural rights" and that "property rights are only what the government says they are". I don't know enough yet to intelligently debate the point, but it sure doesn't sound like something from our Founding Fathers writings.

26 posted on 12/02/2002 9:19:58 AM PST by Teacher317
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To: geedee
I wonder, was I and my generation when this liberal propoganda took hold?

In your/our defense, there's a difference between rampant liberal propaganda and campuses transforming themselves into Maoist reeducation camps. The latter has happened only within the past dozen years.

I graduated from college in 1990. This P.C. nonsense only started to surface on my campus during my senior year, and that was only the tip of the iceberg. Since that time, it has spread like a cancer. When I was a student, conservative were at least tolerated and allowed to speak. Now they are shouted down and muzzled by Soviet style speech codes.

As bad as things may have been in the past, it wasn't until very recently that campuses were ripe for this kind of revolution.
27 posted on 12/02/2002 9:32:16 AM PST by Media Insurgent
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To: .45MAN; geedee
Be afraid...be very afraid....

I can only hope that this website makes a difference to the mindless, drooling, liberal-pandering "educators". I find it amazing that they feel they can spew their filth inside of the classroom, but resent it when it's taken out to the public. If they weren't ashamed of what they preach, it wouldn't bother them.
28 posted on 12/02/2002 9:32:46 AM PST by dansangel
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To: ODDITHER
The next semester, I saw a complete change in the "Intro to literature" course.

I, for one, am glad that your tremendous courage, well-thought out responses, and great tenacity paid off!

31 posted on 12/02/2002 10:07:02 AM PST by cmak9
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To: Yehuda
They state that they are having server problems right now on their website.
32 posted on 12/02/2002 10:10:33 AM PST by cmak9
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To: Frapster
academianuts

Deliciously LOL!

33 posted on 12/02/2002 10:21:39 AM PST by xJones
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To: geedee
I went to a community college and had only one idiot in the bunch. She also taught English lit classes and heavily emphasized on all of the female writers. The only guy I remember was Walt Whitman. Every new author was "the best" and she would treat everyone like they were in kindergarten. I finally walked out after she ignored my questions, which she didn't (or couldn't) answer.

The professor I had for english classes after that was great. I couldn't tell you what his politics might have been or anything like that. he would listen to the students and let them have their say. After they were done, he would pause for just a moment and ask "what about this..." and would make the class look at the problem or situation from a variety of views.
34 posted on 12/02/2002 10:30:25 AM PST by zx2dragon
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To: Bodacious
This type of indoctrination is only one reason we've chosen to educate our daughter at home.

I don't know what area your grandchildren live...some areas are more PETA friendly than others. Personally I haven't come across this.

35 posted on 12/02/2002 11:21:36 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: Bodacious
Has anyone had trouble with PETA or Earth First type of brainwashing?

Yes. The schools are letting PETA people come to the schools and indoctrinate the children. My friends' children have become vegetarians because of it. (Note, the teenage girl gained about 30 pounds when she quit eating meat.)

It's an outrage.

36 posted on 12/02/2002 6:23:52 PM PST by Auntie Mame
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To: Aquinasfan
I got a "Forbidden" warning when trying to "View Postings." Did you have any luck?

Yes, I could see all of them, if I had the time to wait about five minutes for each one to load. It's a form the students fill out, very short, and it's apparent there are boxes to check. ..... I just went to the site and had no problem this time, maybe this morning there were too many freepers hitting the site. Here's what you will see there:

Click on the school name to view the complete posting.

  course no rebuttal University of California, Santa Barbara (UCSB) Nov. 27, 2002  
  Soc 108F: Studying People At First Hand (Prof.: Kumkum Bhavnani)
  Lecture bias: Objectionable   Discussion bias: N/A   Readings bias: Objectionable   Required? Major/Minor
  course no rebuttal North Harris College Nov. 12, 2002  
  GOVT 2301: American Government I (Prof.: Warren Anderson)
  Lecture bias: Excessive   Discussion bias: Excessive   Readings bias: Excessive   Required? All Students
  course no rebuttal Tufts University Nov. 11, 2002  
  ENG0059: The Continuity of American Literature (Prof.: Ronna Johnson)
  Lecture bias: Excessive   Discussion bias: Excessive   Readings bias: N/A   Required? Met GE Req.
  course no rebuttal University of Kentucky (UK) Nov. 11, 2002  
  PS 431: National Security Policy (Prof.: Stewart Kaufman)
  Lecture bias: Excessive   Discussion bias: Excessive   Readings bias: Noticeable   Required? Major/Minor
  orientation no rebuttal Ohio State University (OSU) Nov. 10, 2002  
  Freshman Orientation
  Bias: Objectionable   Required: Yes
  course no rebuttal Cornell University Nov. 5, 2002  
  GOVT 111: Introduction to American Government (Prof.: Theodore T. Lowi)
  Lecture bias: Objectionable   Discussion bias: None   Readings bias: Objectionable   Required? No
  course no rebuttal University of Idaho (UI) Nov. 5, 2002  
  JS 101: Introduction to the Justice System (Prof.: Loretta Capeheart)
  Lecture bias: Excessive   Discussion bias: Objectionable   Readings bias: None   Required? Met GE Req.
  course no rebuttal Brown University Nov. 5, 2002  
  PS0022: City Politics (Prof.: James Morone)
  Lecture bias: Noticeable   Discussion bias: Objectionable   Readings bias: None   Required? Major/Minor
  course no rebuttal Brown University Nov. 5, 2002  
  HI0178: Modernizing America, 1890-1930 (Prof.: John Thomas)
  Lecture bias: Excessive   Discussion bias: N/A   Readings bias: Noticeable   Required? No
  course no rebuttal Bucknell University Nov. 2, 2002  
  POLS 205: Comparative Politics (Prof.: John Peeler)
  Lecture bias: Noticeable   Discussion bias: N/A   Readings bias: Noticeable   Required? Major/Minor
  course rebuttal Bucknell University Nov. 2, 2002  
  ECON 103: Economic Principles & Problems (Prof.: Geoffrey Schneider)
  Lecture bias: Objectionable   Discussion bias: Objectionable   Readings bias: Excessive   Required? Major/Minor
  course no rebuttal University of California, San Diego (UCSD) Oct. 26, 2002  
  WCWP 10B: Warren College Writing Course (Prof.: Linda Brodkey (director))
  Lecture bias: N/A   Discussion bias: Excessive   Readings bias: Excessive   Required? All Students
  course no rebuttal University of Washington (UW) Oct. 21, 2002  
  Soc. 271: Introduction to Deviance (Prof.: Robert Crutchfield)
  Lecture bias: Objectionable   Discussion bias: Objectionable   Readings bias: Noticeable   Required? No
  course no rebuttal University of California, Santa Barbara (UCSB) Oct. 17, 2002  
  Political Science 7: Introduction to International Relations (Prof.: Aaron Belkin)
  Lecture bias: Objectionable   Discussion bias: Noticeable   Readings bias: Objectionable   Required? Major/Minor
  course no rebuttal University of Central Oklahoma (UCO) Oct. 14, 2002  
  Hist 1483: History of US to 1877 (Prof.: Jere Roberson)
  Lecture bias: Excessive   Discussion bias: Excessive   Readings bias: Noticeable   Required? All Students
  course no rebuttal University of California, Santa Barbara (UCSB) Oct. 7, 2002  
  Black Studies 38B: Introduction to Afro-American Literature (Part II) (Prof.: Jane Duran)
  Lecture bias: Excessive   Discussion bias: Noticeable   Readings bias: Noticeable   Required? Met GE Req.
  course no rebuttal University of California, Santa Barbara (UCSB) Oct. 7, 2002  
  Soc 1: Introduction to Sociology (Prof.: Margaret George-Cramer)
  Lecture bias: Excessive   Discussion bias: N/A   Readings bias: Noticeable   Required? Major/Minor
  course no rebuttal University of California, Santa Barbara (UCSB) Oct. 7, 2002  
  Black Studies 50: Blacks in the Media (Prof.: Ottis Madison)
  Lecture bias: Excessive   Discussion bias: Noticeable   Readings bias: Noticeable   Required? Met GE Req.
  course no rebuttal University of California, Santa Barbara (UCSB) Oct. 7, 2002  
  PolSci 176: Black Politics in America (Prof.: Christopher Parker)
  Lecture bias: Objectionable   Discussion bias: N/A   Readings bias: Excessive   Required? Met GE Req.
  course no rebuttal University of California, San Diego (UCSD) Oct. 6, 2002  
  WARR 11A: Warren Scholars Seminar (Prof.: David K. Jordan)
  Lecture bias: None   Discussion bias: Objectionable   Readings bias: N/A   Required? Met GE Req.
  course no rebuttal Barnard College Sep. 26, 2002  
  3011: Poverty and Income Distribution (Prof.: Cecilia Rao)
  Lecture bias: Excessive   Discussion bias: Excessive   Readings bias: Noticeable   Required? Major/Minor
  orientation no rebuttal University of California, San Diego (UCSD) Sep. 25, 2002  
  Freshman Orientation
  Bias: Objectionable   Required: Yes
  course no rebuttal University of California, San Diego (UCSD) Sep. 23, 2002  
  WCWP 10A: Warren College Writing Course (Prof.: Linda Brodkey)
  Lecture bias: N/A   Discussion bias: Excessive   Readings bias: Excessive   Required? All Students


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Here's the complete text from the first listing. This is a great service to students who are looking for good classes and good teachers. I hope there will be many many more postings.

entry #39.

  University of California, Santa Barbara (UCSB) Nov. 27, 2002  
  http://www.ucsb.edu CA  
  Course: Soc 108F: Studying People At First Hand
  Course Catalog Description: A vital aspect of modern sociology is the study of social activities in natural settings. This course explores the different methods a fieldworker can use to discover truths about society.
  Professor: Kumkum Bhavnani
  Required? Yes, for my major or minor
  Lecture Bias: Objectionable
  Comments: Sociology 108f is billed as a methods class in which students are taught methods of research in dealing with people. Among the different methods are interviews, survey etc... It seemed unlikely to me that there could be any bias in the instruction of methods of research. I was surprised to find out that there in fact is a way for such a thing to be manifested. On the first day of class professor Bhavnani explained that the primary focus of the class would be on ethnography. She then went on to explain that throughout the course she would use past research and ethnography to convey methods of research. I was not put off by this at all; however, that soon changed. The first piece of research she presented was in the form of a video called "Women of the Hezbolah". The video depicted the plight of Palestinian revolutionaries who were fighting for a free Palestine. In the video several women explained why they were fighting and what terrible subjugation they have experienced at the hand of Israel. In one scene they showed two individuals visiting their childhood home which had been decimated. The general concept of the video was to convey that something terrible had been done to Palestinians and that the hesbolah was going to make it right at any cost. Later in the video young children were shown marching with automatic weapons in a rally with hezbolah revolutionaries. In my opinion these people were terrorists and I was appalled that they would enlist their young children to fight, but I could understand that the video was attempting to offer a new perspective on a familliar subject or as Professor Bhavnani put it: Making the familliar unfamilliar by providing new insight. So it was clear to me that this video was presented from an extreme left perspective, but I accepted it expecting to see many other presentations from different perspectives. The next video she showed was called "Maria's Story," in which a group of communisit-like rebels in El Salvador were fighting their oppresive United States backed government. This video followed one particular guerrilla fighter named Maria who enlisted children to fight with her. When one of the children was shot, she was recorded screaming about what type of monster would shoot a child. I suppose the point of showing children fighting was to ensight support for a cause that was so in jeopardy that they need children in order to progress their cause. Once again I saw another piece of extreme left propaganda but I still hoped for something balancing. The next segment Bhavnani discussed with the class was her own research study of women in prison, in which she interviews prisoners in America and abroad and shows how unfair the prison system is to their needs that a mother could not be with their child. It was clear to me that the mother should have thought of that before committing crimes but that type of view was never presented or discussed. Throughout the course the same type of left oriented material was presented one after another. Although Professor Bhavnani asserted that the material was presented for the purpose of showing different methods of studying people, it became clear to me that the course title "Studying People at First Hand" was an excuse to present objectionally biased material. In my oppinion the course should have been called Studying People from a Leftist Perpective. This of course would not work however, because at no time did Professor Bhavnani admit that she was in fact pushing a leftist agenda disguised as instruction on methodology. Upon completing the class I could not help but feel that I had not really learned much about studying people from the professor herself. She gave us assignments to go observe people or to interview people in which I had to teach myself how to best complete such tasks, but her instruction on the subject was minimal at best.
  Discussion Bias: N/A
  Comments: Although there was no discussion section for the class, there were two Teaching Assistants of whom I had virtually no contact with, with the exception of one day in which one of the teaching assistants presented her research on the flower picking industry of South America. In the presentation she explained how capitalist enterprises were subjugating laborers in South America, etc...
  Readings Bias: Objectionable
  Comments: The readings were supplements to the presented material and contained the same bias that the lectures had.
  General Comments: I believe that in a methods course there is no reason to present such controversial material, particularly when it is presented with no rebuttal. I believe that we could have learned the same information about studying people looking at a video of a family gathering or some other such benign event.


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37 posted on 12/02/2002 6:59:49 PM PST by Auntie Mame
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To: xJones
... Internet, it's driving the old libs wild.

But Algore is an "old lib". And he "invented" the internet. Ergo, the "old libs" have only themselves to blame for not
being able to continue to defraud the students, the students' parents, and ultimely, the tax payers.

38 posted on 12/02/2002 7:30:10 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: Calvin Locke
Logic will be your downfall. Logic has no place in discusing Dems. :)
39 posted on 12/02/2002 7:54:48 PM PST by xJones
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To: geedee
No doubt it would have been far better had our nation's colleges and universities not allowed themselves to be hijacked by narrow claque of tenured radical professors.

Is it too late to prepare the gallows for these tenured "educators"? I say better late than never....

40 posted on 12/02/2002 8:06:18 PM PST by F16Fighter
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