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Why Most Teachers Are Leftists
Toogood Reports ^ | 12/2/2002 | Michael D. Shaw

Posted on 12/02/2002 9:13:24 AM PST by geedee

After reading about the trials of Santa Monica (California) High School student Steve Miller, to say nothing of how many young minds are being poisoned every day, teachers themselves, seemed like a worthwhile educational topic.

Teachers Consider Themselves Victims

According to the National Education Association (NEA), the average salary of a U.S. public school teacher for the 2001-02 school year was $44,499. No doubt, this is much lower than other professions such as law and medicine, but one can't enter those with a 2.0 undergrad average from, say, Chico State, nor are there many emergency provisions to obtain employment in those fields without proper certification.

Unlike the other professions, teaching has the security of civil service, and there are almost unlimited opportunities to make considerably more money by simply hanging in, running extracurricular programs, and by becoming an administrator. It is not uncommon for a school administrator, in larger districts, to make well over $100,000.

The "victim" persona comes from them comparing their worthy occupation of instructing America's youth, and being involved in intellectual pursuits, to highly paid entertainers and athletes. To be fair, they also take way too much criticism for being the sole cause of our country getting continuously more stupid with every passing year. They are more aware than most that this failure is primarily the result of the destruction of the American family – especially amongst the Black population – but being toe-tag liberals, cannot say this. This makes them feel even more victimized.

If you're a victim, you're a leftie.

Teachers Consider Themselves To Be Intellectuals

Teachers work with books all day, and, at least, on the surface, are engaging in activities of the mind. They can take some comfort in this, when they compare themselves to athletes and others who seem to get a lot of money for merely physical attributes. Most intellectuals believe that they are superior to all other people, who, even if they must use their minds in their work, have sold out in some manner to achieve their economic success. What could be a more pure use of the intellect than instructing children, after all?

As intellectuals, they are only too ready to tell everyone else how to live, and to put that into practice requires an all-powerful government. Like most intellectuals, they seem to care little for the original functions of government, such as defense, police, and promoting commerce. And like most intellectuals, they enjoy embracing the most perverse ideas, just for the attention.

If you're an intellectual, as this term applies today, you're a leftie.

Teachers Belong To A Huge And Powerful Union

Stripped to its essentials, the NEA is about more money for the school districts, always and without limits of any kind, less accountability, and nearly every single left-wing cause you could possibly imagine. Oh yes, they talk about accountability, but inevitably refer to it as a complex issue that will require more study, so nothing ever seems to actually get done about it.

The NEA sends more voting delegates to the Democratic National Convention than does the State of California, yet the NEA enjoys tax-exempt status, claiming not to engage in political activities of any kind.

Perhaps the teachers would consider themselves less of a victim class if they made significantly more money, but the NEA – like most unions – does its best to determine that will never happen, by protecting bad performers, and fighting against the competition that would occur if vouchers were widely used. The NEA's animus against vouchers stems, of course, from its atheism, since a goodly portion of vouchers would be used to support parochial schools. I guess it's important to be able to choose to terminate a pregnancy, but not to choose where your kid goes to school.

If you're still a true believer in trade unions, you're a leftie.

Teachers Have No Self-Esteem

I know teachers talk about self-esteem all the time, but think of the frat boy who always talked about his sexual conquests, and then was unmasked to have none. For many of them, it's all they can do to lord it over a bunch of kids, and it is just in this kind of environment that Leftist politics flourishes. Why? Since none of the cockamamy ideas would ever stand up to debate, and can only be promulgated unchallenged. That's also why most teachers tend to hang out with other teachers. Despite all the air of superiority, they really do feel inferior. They can take comfort only with their own, and other downtrodden folks.

If you have no self-esteem, you're a leftie.

One or two of these factors would push many people over to the Left, but since most teachers have all four going full-blast, their present condition is easy to understand.


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This, to moi, should infuriate those of you with children. Where was I when the NEA was given this kind of power? Asleep, obviously. We have to take it back.
1 posted on 12/02/2002 9:13:24 AM PST by geedee
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To: geedee
The NEA sends more voting delegates to the Democratic National Convention than does the State of California, yet the NEA enjoys tax-exempt status, claiming not to engage in political activities of any kind.

This is disgusting. Most organizations that lean to the left, such as AARP, receive tax preference. Donations to conservative groups, to the contrary, are not deductable.

3 posted on 12/02/2002 9:32:59 AM PST by elbucko
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To: geedee
People with self-esteem never talk about it. People who won't shut up about self-esteem are always lacking in self-esteem. Teachers lack self-esteem (as well they should) and they convince their students that focusing on self-esteem rather than accomplishments is the right way to go. Sickening.
4 posted on 12/02/2002 9:34:41 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: geedee
The NEA obtained this power pretty much by asking for it and by default. The obtained it when public employees were allowed to organize. The obtained it when school boards knucked under to strike threats instead of saying "fine, you want to strike? you're all fired. And we'll staff the schools with adminstrators and volunteers until you come crawling back without the union or we can hire certifed teachers or get the volunteers certified. And by the way, no more tenure. No politics."

Public unions can be broken, Reagan did it, Thatcher did it. It takes will and the will to mobilize resources to do without the 'withheld labor' of the unionistas.

5 posted on 12/02/2002 9:35:59 AM PST by CatoRenasci
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To: geedee
.....Most intellectuals believe that they are superior to all other people, who, even if they must use their minds in their work, have sold out in some manner to achieve their economic success.......

Seems to me I've met one or two of those....

6 posted on 12/02/2002 9:39:02 AM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: geedee
Where was I when the NEA was given this kind of power? Asleep, obviously.

If I recollect correctly, National Education Assn. was founded by an insurance agent whose wife happened to be a teacher. He cooked up a better insurance package than teachers were getting from their districts. Sounds good to me. But once the money and power were there, corruption by the Democrats soon followed.

7 posted on 12/02/2002 9:39:45 AM PST by elbucko
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To: geedee
Oh, and finally: to be a teacher you have to go through the Education courses at your local university, where you will be fed left-wing propaganda relentlessly.

Sweden good, USA bad;
collectivist good, individualist bad;
black, hispanic, native American good; white, jewish, bad;
Islam good; Christian, Jewish, bad;
socialism good, capitalism bad;
enrivonmentalists good, industrialists bad;
emotion good, reason bad;
and on and on and on.

8 posted on 12/02/2002 9:43:46 AM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: CatoRenasci
"Public unions can be broken..." bump. ;^)

It's our only hope.
9 posted on 12/02/2002 9:46:51 AM PST by headsonpikes
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To: geedee; All
I had been listening to one of my sons, a sophomore in high school, tell me time and time again about his ELP (economics, law, politics) teacher spouting liberal drivel, putting down conservatism, Republicans, and President Bush. This has been going on all year to date, and finally......enough was enough. The following took place little over a week ago:

I asked my son to get me this teacher's email address. He did it.....if a bit nervously.:) I sent this clown an email wherein I explained that I was VERY aware of what he had been spouting to his class (his own, very liberal opinions) under the guise of "teaching". I challenged him to openly debate such issues with me in front of his class(es) if he was so sure of the veracity of his stances. I made it clear that it was his duty to teach; to present facts; to present multiple sides of every issue. He wasn't doing that, so I called him on it. I also laid out my qualifications for such a debate, provided my work and home phone numbers, and awaited a response.

I got one......and double quick.

The guy sent me an email response and fell all OVER himself apologizing. I mean, I thought he was going to drive to my house and beg to kiss my behind while exposing his throat.

No more problem.

Stand up to these jerks, folks, and CHALLENGE them. Like all bullies, they back down when someone stands up to them.

10 posted on 12/02/2002 9:48:40 AM PST by RightOnline
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To: geedee
The author is naming the trees but ignoring the forest.

The motivating force behind teaching and all the problems of mass-schooling is control, which is, of course, the heart of leftism. Control drives the unions, it drives the laws, it lays seige on the homeschoolers. (Perhaps the desire for control arises out of low self-esteem or perhaps the low self-esteem develops out of a failure to do something besides learn how to control. It matters not. Any point that relies on a "self-esteem" argument is lame.)

John Taylor Gatto wrote an excellent essay ( The Six-Lesson Schoolteacher) on this topic. Even the most well-meaning teachers fall into the control trap.

11 posted on 12/02/2002 9:54:57 AM PST by Lil'freeper
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To: CatoRenasci
They obtained it when public employees were allowed to organize. They obtained it when school boards knuckled under to strike threats...

The right of public employee's to strike needs to be resolved, and soon (within 50 years). I do not believe that an employee of a government entity has a natural right to strike. The employee of a private entity has the natural right to withhold his labor, as the opposite would be slavery.

Employee's of public institutions, by virtue of the inherent security of government employment and the publics reliance on a monopoly of labor, i.e. police , fire, should not have the right to strike. They should, however, be granted immediate access to the courts for the resolution of grievances.

12 posted on 12/02/2002 9:55:18 AM PST by elbucko
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To: geedee
bttt for later read
13 posted on 12/02/2002 9:56:34 AM PST by lainde
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To: RightOnline
Oooooh! Good for you! I'd love to be a fly on the wall for one of those debates.
14 posted on 12/02/2002 9:57:10 AM PST by Lil'freeper
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To: geedee
Good commentary. Another related problem is that many enter the education profession because they already feel inadequate for other professions. And, our universtities are churning out tons of these "professionals". Each of them enter the profession knowing full well the supply/demand for teachers and the prevailing compensation. Once there, they see that large segments of the population are passing them by - and a form of class envy develops. Once there is class envy, they become easy prey for the mantras of the left.
15 posted on 12/02/2002 9:57:10 AM PST by Lando Lincoln
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To: RightOnline
Press the moron for a debate. Don't let him off that easy!
16 posted on 12/02/2002 10:00:55 AM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: RightOnline
WOW! Good for you!

Some of my friends wonder why I am not complacent about certain things. If you don't stand up to the "Velvet Glove Bullies", they tun into "Iron Hands".

17 posted on 12/02/2002 10:01:42 AM PST by elbucko
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To: geedee
One hundred thousand plus in a large school system? Wrong. My little city in Missouri has one high school, one junior high school and five elementary schools plus one tech school. We have one superintendant at about $130 thousand a year plus two assistant superintendants. This is in a city of slightly more than ten thousand citizens. I think large systems such as Kansas City or St. Louis are over the $250 thousand a year range.
18 posted on 12/02/2002 10:03:07 AM PST by em2vn
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To: Lando Lincoln
Once there is class envy, they become easy prey for the mantras of the left.

I suppose I should have noted that many, if not most, are already tilting left to begin with. Our universities virtually guarantee it.

19 posted on 12/02/2002 10:05:01 AM PST by Lando Lincoln
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To: RightOnline
Like the article says: "Since none of the cockamamy ideas would ever stand up to debate, and can only be promulgated unchallenged"

You did the right thing calling this guy on the carpet.

As an instructor myself, I have observed many kids accept what they are taught. So many times, differing opinions are ostrasized in the classroom, so kids just go with it; they don't want to be singled out by the teach.

20 posted on 12/02/2002 10:05:21 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: A_perfect_lady
I'm glad I went to high school in the late 60s and college in the 70s.

Yea... we had some whacko professors in college but not like today.

None of them had a political slant... other than being “different”.

21 posted on 12/02/2002 10:06:59 AM PST by johnny7
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To: enfield
They are attacking Homeschool here in CA saying the teacher would need at home a teaching credential to be creditied at home.

They are losing the battle to homeschoolers here in CA and the Teachers Union is making a desperate stand to get control of all the children, both legally and illegally here.
22 posted on 12/02/2002 10:08:11 AM PST by A CA Guy
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To: RightOnline
Good work, Right. You've got the tactics down pat.

Institutions all have their own dynamics. If you conform to those dynamics and work with them, you'll tend to prosper within the institution, and the inverse is true as well. The dynamics of the teaching trade -- no, it's not a profession -- emphasize authoritarianism, pseudo-intellectual pretensions, and an attitude of omniscience despite relatively slender real intellectual credentials and an even more slender record of tangible achievement.

You know, thinking about the above, if we hadn't already created the public school system, I'm sure the Left would have invented it.

Freedom, Wealth, and Peace,
Francis W. Porretto
Visit The Palace Of Reason: http://palaceofreason.com

23 posted on 12/02/2002 10:12:08 AM PST by fporretto
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To: geedee
My first wife was a public school teacher. She was one of the very few conservative ones. The majority of her peers, I found to be shallow, pseudointellectuals. A criticism I have heard is that the pool of public school teacher candidates was made up of people who were too wimpy to get a job in the private sector. Well, I find that to be true.

My wife had first worked for many years in the private sector, before getting a job teaching. She was hard nosed and didn't take any cr*p from her students, and she was a "special ed" teacher (basically, all the problem behavioral students). She was so good she went on to win an award in the State for teacher of the year, or some such.

But the fact is, most teachers are exactly as the stereotypes portray them. Beevis and Butthead do an excellent parody, as does South Park.

24 posted on 12/02/2002 10:16:13 AM PST by Paradox
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
"Press the moron for a debate. Don't let him off that easy!"

I made my point, and he now knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that I'm closely monitoring him.......and I am.

I had told him that I'm far too busy in my work to have to take a day out for such a thing....and that it should be unnecessary......but I was VERY prepared to do just that. I gave him concrete suggestions of things he should be teaching that are matters of historical fact and, therefore, not as subject to his interpretation.

The slightest hint of a relapse and I'm on 'im like white on rice. I've taken on his Principal and a couple of idiotic English "teachers" there before without blinking, and I think he knows it.

25 posted on 12/02/2002 10:26:12 AM PST by RightOnline
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To: CatoRenasci; doug from upland; *Education News
"Public unions can be broken..."

It's time to bust the National Education Association Union.


Help Defund the National Education Association Union

26 posted on 12/02/2002 10:26:42 AM PST by EdReform
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To: johnny7
Ping - Like you, I finished High School in 61 and a Masters in 66. Hell of a difference in the way they started teaching in the 70’s on, for I had to go to school throughout the US many of times to counter the way they were teaching mine and other children in the subjects of English, Math, Science and US & World History.
27 posted on 12/02/2002 10:26:51 AM PST by Slipjack
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To: Paradox
Ain't it a shame that teachers like your wife can't rise to the top like the high-achievers in other industries? We so often blame others for the dumbing-down of the curriculum when, in fact, the blame lies with us. With you and me and John Q. Public.

We've been surrounded by the "It ain't my fault" crowd Bill Clinton motivated and, through his refusal to ever accept any personal responsibility for his psychopathic foibles, allowed to dominate this nation's agenda and morals. We've lost the way taught us by our parents' generation. We've allowed the NEA to take over. We've allowed the stars like your wife to be overlooked and abused until their fiery drive eventually flickers and blinks out.

But we can take our schools back. We just need the courage to do it.

28 posted on 12/02/2002 10:30:24 AM PST by geedee
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To: CatoRenasci
The obtained it when school boards knucked under to strike threats instead of saying "fine, you want to strike? you're all fired. And we'll staff the schools with adminstrators and volunteers until you come crawling back without the union or we can hire certifed teachers or get the volunteers certified. And by the way, no more tenure. No politics."

Very true. Now all we have to do is deal with the soccer-mom/useful idiots who will vote for anything if it's "for the children." These selfish, lazy, unthinking morons are the ones who help the marxists maintain their power and cash flow. The school districts know this and play to them come time for a new tax levy to go on the ballot. You can threaten to reduce administrators and staff and they don't even flinch...but threaten to cut Johnny's soccer team or (GASP) football program and they will vote away everything that they own, as well as everything of their neighbors. I have voted against every school levy since I reach age 18, and I'll vote against every school levy every time there is one on the ballot.

29 posted on 12/02/2002 10:39:44 AM PST by Orangedog
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To: geedee
But, but, but......if it wasn't for teachers, where would the rich doctors and lawyers come from?

We live in one of the most affluent school districts in our state. Thankfully, both of our kids are now in college and do not seem to be too badly maladjusted. It was a struggle to keep them on the RIGHT path. When we went to PS functions (band concert, parent/teacher conference, etc), they all invariably featured a poverty speech. Jenny Mulhern, Michigan's next governor, has promised the MEA (Michigan Extortion Association) that she will work to overthrow the law that prohibits teachers striking.

30 posted on 12/02/2002 10:42:40 AM PST by RushLake
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To: hobbes1
ping
31 posted on 12/02/2002 10:45:38 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: RightOnline
what a fantastic story! i love it!
32 posted on 12/02/2002 10:45:59 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: geedee
the average salary of a U.S. public school teacher for the 2001-02 school year was $44,499. No doubt, this is much lower than other professions such as law and medicine, but one can't enter those with a 2.0 undergrad average from, say, Chico State

One must recalculate the $44,499 to reflect the fact that teachers get over 3 months OFF.

33 posted on 12/02/2002 10:49:52 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: Lil'freeper
End compulsion schooling. Violence lies at the heart of it.
34 posted on 12/02/2002 11:56:09 AM PST by secretagent
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To: enfield
Well our situation is the F'ing Teacher's Union are a bunch of self serving traitors.

We had no problem getting a good education when I was younger with 60 people in a class with one teacher.
Today, if it were up to the Teacher's Union, there would be one Administrator, two teachers and two assistants per child. What a load of caca!

The super secret reason no quality education occurs on a regular basis in public school is the simple reason that "CHILDREN DON'T COME TO SCHOOL PREPARED TO LEARN"

The reason for this is the change of culture as represented by the mostly self indulgent parents who have little or no time for their kids.

Parents don't in great percentages truly put their children before themselves. They say they do, but the lack of preparation for school PROVES THOSE STATEMENTS FROM PARENTS ARE BUNK!

The Teacher's Union shake when they see people home schooling. They can't grow their union and they are proven to be a lousy bang for the public buck.

The thought that teachers need a higher salary is also bunk. Most are the 2.0 students from college, not the 3.65 graduates who took better jobs.
So we are also dealing with moderately capable people who even have the nerve to create their own teacher language for what they are trying to do in order to have them sound like they are smarter than they come close to being.

Yes there are nice teachers as well as the rotten ones out there today.

The real issue is that UNTIL PARENTS PREPARE THEIR KIDS TO LEARN IN A CLASSROOM, public schools will fail.

They also puposly want illegals in class for the sole purpose of growing teachers in their union. It is a gross perversion of our education system and puts our citizens in an even worse condition.
The TEACHER'S UNION IS A SPECIAL INTEREST ONLY!

That is a mild bit about how I feel about that...and how was your day? LOL
36 posted on 12/02/2002 6:46:18 PM PST by A CA Guy
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To: geedee
Not ALL teachers are leftists. Why don't some of you try supporting and backing up those of us who think correctly? Hello?

We're out here...we just don't get much support. My main beef with conservatives is that they don't support each other. The liberal element sticks together like glue.

37 posted on 12/02/2002 6:48:21 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
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To: Lil'freeper
The motivating force behind teaching and all the problems of mass-schooling is control

B-I-N-G-O! You got it 100% right. Control what children learn, think and know and you contol the masses. Teach them to be victims, to depend on the gubmint, to not think for themselves, to not judge right from wrong.

38 posted on 12/02/2002 6:56:34 PM PST by FourPeas
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To: All; Paradox; geedee; enfield; ClearCase_guy; CatoRenasci; A_perfect_lady; headsonpikes; ...
I know it is a fun sport here on FR to bash teachers. And so many of the complaints are valid. But goddamnit, what are any of you doing to make a difference?

You whine because teachers get more time off than you. Become a teacher. You are not satisfied with the grade point averages and intellect of teachers. Become a teacher. It is not acceptable that teacher's unions have so much power. Become a teacher, and you can help to change these things.

I am a conservative.

I am a veteran of the armed forces.

I deplore the teacher's unions and their power.

My colleagues are not very bright.

My grade point average in undergrad was 3.8.

I have a Master's degree.

I owe $25k in student loans.

I make $45k per year.

I am a teacher.

...and I Freep.

39 posted on 12/02/2002 7:11:49 PM PST by Semper911
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To: enfield
one word: Homeschool.

Spellcheck says that's two words.

;-)

(Our daughter is 18 now, and we've homeschooled from the beginning.)

40 posted on 12/02/2002 7:17:32 PM PST by savedbygrace
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To: Semper911
Right on! Tell them. I am so frustrated these days...they flame me for pointing out that the students by and large don't want to do their work, BUT it's true. They don't want to do it. We need support from parents to get the working again. Then, they're hireable. Then, employers will not have a leg to stand on when they hire illegal aliens. Do SOMETHING to take the system back, folks, something instead of just complaining or bashing.
41 posted on 12/02/2002 7:18:21 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
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To: Semper911
Most who teach (in higher education, anyway) are experts in their field, as education goes. But they're not tough enough to duke it out in the marketplace, so they retreat into the safety of a union job. Hence most are lefties.

The grade school teachers, in my experience, are motivated by noble intentions, and most that Ive met are salt-of-the-earth types.
Really two classes of people here.
42 posted on 12/02/2002 7:18:49 PM PST by ovrtaxt
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To: Semper911
Good post and so enlightening.

I'm so glad you are a teacher. Undoubtly, you will make a difference in many lives and be responsible for many successes.
43 posted on 12/02/2002 7:24:44 PM PST by NEWwoman
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To: Semper911
God bless your honored service to our country and your hard work to get a Masters with a high GPA. You are NOT the majority at schools as you yourself know.

My sister is a teacher at a private school where learning actually occurs.

The issue that evades the NATIONAL DISCUSSION in this country is the fact that it is not the need for more or substantially better teachers... the issue is that THE PARENTS NO LONGER BRING THEIR CHILDREN TO CLASS PREPARED TO LEARN.

As long as mommy and daddy put their kids at #8 in their true priorities and don't work with their kids 2-4 hours a day at home after school, no change from the current situation will occur.
We also have a problem in that the people who are the poorest manage to breed the most. They tend to put the most stress on the school system IMO!

The Teacher's Union know the problem is the parent's lack of work to bring a prepared child to school, yet they play the problem to grow their ranks and power much like a cancer.

What needs to be done is to change the national debate from teachers in any way, to parents responsibilities for their kids. The parents need to already have their children prepared to learn when they come to school is the real unspoken issue. If that changed, you could have classes of any size and learning would occur.

My question to you is, how do we snag the national debate away from the Teacher's Union and focus it on the need for parents to bring a child prepared to learn to school?

The parents bringing a prepared child to school is the whole issue in a nutshell.
44 posted on 12/02/2002 7:42:59 PM PST by A CA Guy
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To: A CA Guy
Will you move to my town and enroll your kids in my school?

You really get it. And that is one debate that will never happen, because it involves personal freaking responsibility. Not a trend in this country that I can see.

But I will still fight the good fight... one middle schooler at a time.

45 posted on 12/02/2002 7:48:18 PM PST by Semper911
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To: Semper911
The debate will have to happen....eventually there can be no other excuse for what is happening.

Home schooling brings this issue to the public as they make people ask how somebody at home with little or no funds could outperform the professionals.
46 posted on 12/02/2002 8:02:02 PM PST by A CA Guy
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To: Semper911
You make some good points. I would like to point out that everyone can do something to make a difference. Be a mentor.

Not to be a jerk, but what was your undergrad degree in? 3.8 is good, but it is more impressive in some subjects than others. Also, 45k a year is almost twice the national average wage. More importantly, is this 45k a year include working during the summer or not? 45k with good health care, good retirement...it could be a lot worse!

47 posted on 12/02/2002 8:02:31 PM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: Semper911
I thought about your post for a few minutes before responding because I wanted to make sure my thoughts were clear.

I am 44, and have worked in the High Tech sector since I got out of the Army in 80.

With the ups and downs of the economy, I have found myself out of a job on several occasions, and have been working for a School District of 50,000 students for 10 years.

I manage a huge Telecom Network. I attend planning sessions, do Infrastructure design, and manage a multi milliom dollar budget.

And what do I get paid for this you ask?

About $60K a year. What I made in a bad year as a contractor.

In return, I get a lot of days off and job security.

I would LOVE to become a teacher. I am great with kids, and actually was an Instructor in the Army in Electronics and loved it.

I enquired to the possibility of becoming a teacher and found the dirty little secret of the teaching profession.

You must have a Teaching Certificate in order to become fully qualified. I could of course have gone back to school and recieved a Degree then a Teching Certificate, after about 8 or 9 years of course.

The fact that I actually DO the craft has apparantly nothing to do with it.

The recent trend in education is to do away with all education in "the trades", such as Carpentry, Automotive and Electronics in favor of a strictly college bound track.

So I ask you, what should be done to open up the system to people like myself ?

I ask all the time, to those of whom will listen anyway, where will the next set of Mechanics, Carpenters and Electricians come from ?

Certainly not from the pencil necked geek crowd who think the world lives and dies on degrees. frankly, I think the majority of the "Certificated Employees" I work with, would all tend to agree. They all make at least my salary or better, all for 2 months a year more off and better benefits.

Please don’t take any of this as a personal attack, far from it.

I sympathize with you and would love to join you in the teaching profession, but the deck seems stacked against it.

The fact is, for most Government jobs that involve any sort of education requirement, you nearly always get paid less.

This is not always a bad thing.

I am personally willing to trade a more lucrative lifestyle for security and free time.

It all depends on what you are looking for...

Cheers,

knews hound

48 posted on 12/02/2002 8:07:39 PM PST by knews_hound
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To: ovrtaxt
I know quite a few teaching in higher learning circles. The ones I know are highly successful outside of class (millionaires). They can-do as well as teach, at least in the business departments. LOL
49 posted on 12/02/2002 8:07:40 PM PST by A CA Guy
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
Depending on where you live in the US, $45,000 is not average money for a household. In California, that would be a family struggling real hard to pay the bills in most cases.
50 posted on 12/02/2002 8:18:19 PM PST by A CA Guy
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