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The gun owner next door
The Daily Camera (Boulder) ^ | 1 December 2002 | staff

Posted on 12/02/2002 12:45:35 PM PST by 45Auto

Pinpricks of sound crackle in succession.

The heady smell of gunpowder hangs in the air.

At the No. 8 firing point, Jim Monserud takes a deep breath, cradling his custom-made Colt CAR-A3 rifle.

Gently, almost lovingly, he squeezes the trigger, rocking back ever so slightly with the force of the recoil.

Focused, he doesn't even see the other competitors through his sun-colored glasses.

"It's kind of a competition with yourself," says the 50-year-old marksman from Lafayette, one of 14 gun enthusiasts vying for supremacy during this high-power rifle match on a recent Saturday at the Boulder Rifle Club.

A private facility just north of the city, the club sits on a 6-acre parcel of land that houses an indoor range, four outdoor ranges — 25, 50, 100 and 200 yards — and a trap area, where sharpshooters fire at clay targets that are catapulted into the air.

Although the club is members-only, the ranges are open to the public for safety classes, matches and, on designated days throughout the year, target practice. The Boulder Rifle Club also welcomes the Boulder Police Department, the Boulder County Sheriff's Department and the University of Colorado Army R.O.T.C. for training sessions at select times during the month.

Despite attempts to provide services to as many people as possible, there are still individuals and organizations who can't use the range. As of this past week, there are 805 members in a club designed to accommodate 250, with more than 350 people on a waiting list.

"That is a good example of how much demand there is for shooting facilities and time," says Ralph Stoevener, owner of High Country Gunsmithing in Longmont. "I'll guarantee there is not a day that goes by that people don't call here and ask where they can go shoot."

If you're thinking to yourself, 'No, not in Boulder County,' think again.

The NRA estimates that there are more than 200 million privately-owned firearms in the United States, with approximately 45 percent of households containing at least one firearm.

Brady Campaign members throw out similar numbers, saying there are roughly 192 million privately-owned firearms in the country, with an estimated 39 percent of residences housing a gun.

And according to the ATF's Federal Firearms Licensee Database, 60 licensed firearm dealers, pawnbrokers and manufacturers are listed in Broomfield and Boulder County alone.

"I would say that more people own guns (locally) than don't," Stoevener says.

Which means that in Boulder, a city known for peace, love and all things politically correct, chances are pretty good that someone on your block owns a firearm.

Aiming to please

Grant Von Letkemann sits at one of the cafeteria-style tables near the indoor range, smoking a cigarette. The 63-year-old president of the club moves his arm in a semi-circle, taking in the surroundings.

"Be it ever so humble, this is our club," he says.

Lockers, magazines and a soda machine decorate the immediate room. Through the doors to the east is the indoor range, part of a larger hangar-like building in which he's relaxing.

Twelve fire points cater to small bore and handgun users who shoot at paper targets attached to plywood some 50 feet away.

"We have a fairly good plywood bill every year," Letkemann says good-naturedly.

The outdoor ranges are on elevated tiers of land, a couple hundred yards up from the hangar.

This complex is one of only two firing ranges in Boulder County. The other, smaller and less accessible, is near Table Mountain and is owned by the Boulder Rifle Club as well.

Statewide, there are six public ranges and 28 private ranges, relatively small numbers, gun owners say. Part of the reason for that, according to Letkemann, is the image that's associated with the sport.

"I think (people) probably picture us as redneck, beer-swilling Bambi shooters or survivalists," he says, adding that the perception couldn't be further from the truth. "The sport of shooting is a precision sport, whether people believe it or not. It's a lot of hand/eye and mental coordination to be a good shot ... it takes a tremendous amount of skill."

What residents probably don't realize either, Letkemann says, is that it's your doctors, lawyers, teachers, government workers and police officers who use the facility.

"It would be very difficult to pigeon-hole a gun owner or a typical member of the rifle club," says Jo Johnson, a database manager who lives in Boulder. "People don't seem to fit in a box like that."

It also would be tough to generalize the reasons people join the club. Many of the members are hunters and want to improve their accuracy.

Some are there to learn self-defense. Others simply enjoy the sport and the competitive aspect of matches.

The only commonality, members say, lies within a collective, and often fervent, defense of the Second Amendment.

Johnson says she was brought up around guns, though she didn't really become proficient until about 10 years ago.

She says it was part personal protection that contributed to her decision to join the club, but also an element of fun.

"There's something about a hand-held missile that finds its mark," Johnson, 50, says. "It's almost an extension of your hands, your eyes, your body."

Johnson owns a Ruger .38 Special as well as a Ruger 9mm P94, though she's not exactly forthcoming about that bit of information.

"Living in Boulder you feel very defensive about it," she says. "You do tend to be secretive."

At least outside the club.

When you're sharing the range, it's a different story.

The interesting thing about the sport, enthusiasts say, is that everyone is on equal footing, regardless of age or background.

"It was a lot of fun being a junior and beating a lot of the guys (in high-power rifle) who've been doing it for way longer than I have," says 18-year-old Daniel Hoffer.

The Morrison teen was a member of the junior program, which currently has 48 active participants ages 9-17.

Hoffer's current firearm of choice is an AR-15 (a civilian version of the M-16). Despite what many people think, Hoffer says his chosen pastime is not at all dangerous.

"It's the safest sport I've ever played," he says. "And I've played football, soccer and baseball."

Letkemann backs him up to an extent, saying that there have never been any injuries by one person to another at the club. But there have been situations, mostly when the range has been open to the public, in which people have cut open their foreheads because they didn't anticipate a gun's recoil. And in one instance, he says, a guy took the end of his finger off.

"We try very hard to keep it a safe facility," Letkemann says. "If you're unsafe, I take it very personally. And 'whoops' doesn't cover it."

On your mark

A series of short dirt roads lead upward from the indoor range to the outdoor ranges. Incidentally, the only bathroom, an outhouse with no running water, sits at the base of the hill.

Thousands of tires, piled on top of each other and hand-packed with dirt, demarcate each of the four open-air ranges. Earthen berms, intended to stop the bullets, back each one.

Picnic tables and gun racks stand nearby, with rabbits and other wildlife frequenting the area.

"They don't appear to be bothered by the noise," Letkemann says, adding with a laugh that it's probably because they're deaf.

Mike Walton, an English teacher at Cherry Creek High School, is leading the high-power rifle match on this particular day, calling out instructions and making sure everyone follows the rules.

"I wear about three hats," says Walton, who teaches firearms safety and is the junior high-power coach.

Walton says the morning's windy conditions make it extremely difficult for the competitors.

But that's what he likes about the sport.

"I've always been fascinated with things that are difficult," Walton, 55, says. "Some people can dribble a basketball and shoot baskets.

"I've always enjoyed firearms."

High-power is one of many match sports the Boulder Rifle Club offers.

Other competitions run the gamut from cowboy and defensive pistol matches to IPSC (International Practical Shooting Confederation) and indoor combat matches, where participants move through a course and shoot at multiple targets.

Again, you can compete at any age level.

Walton's youngest daughter, 17-year-old Rose, is an exceptional shot. She is one of only two women Master Class rifle shooters in Colorado, he says.

"She beats me regularly," Walton says happily. "It's a strange sport in which a little teenage girl can compete on level ground (with adults).

"The maturity one acquires is just incredible. She can relate to anybody."

Diane Nicholl, 50, a 15-year member and instructor at the club, agrees.

The longtime research scientist turned author loves how people in their 80s get along perfectly with those in their teens. Nicholl offers a monthly class just for women, incorporating wisdom from the book she wrote, "Teaching Women To Shoot: A Law Enforcement Instructor's Guide" (DTI Publications).

Like many club members, Nicholl grew up around guns, but she became more involved with their defensive aspect when a convict escaped from a local prison.

"That was sort of a wake-up call that bad things can happen in the world," she says. "It's not always your choice.

"I said I really needed to learn more about firearms for self defense."

In addition to Nicholl's class, the club offers the following NRA classes: basic pistol, basic personal protection, home firearm safety and pistol instructor, shotgun and reloading.

It's the law

How important is the Boulder Rifle Club to law enforcement agencies?

"Extremely doesn't describe it enough," says Sgt. Greg Schumann of the Boulder County Sheriff's Office.

The range Schumann and his fellow officers had been using just east of Lafayette closed down a couple years back, and the Rifle Club invited them to use its range free of charge.

"Essentially they saved our backsides," Schumann says.

Even so, the department is not receiving the optimum amount of training.

"Ideally, if we had more availability we would definitely use it," he says. "There's enough usage (right now) that I have to plan a year in advance to make sure we can get an adequate amount of time."

Boulder police chief Mark Beckner is in the same boat.

"Ideally, we'd certainly like to have more access to a range," he says.

But as things stand right now, he's just glad to have a place to go.

"As far as a resource, they're very valuable to this community," Beckner says. "Without the Boulder Rifle Club, we'd have a very difficult time getting our officers trained."

Both Beckner and Schumann have sought out alternatives, including opening up new facilities, but they've met with no success.

At one point, roughly five years ago, there was an initiative to open a new range on top of Table Mountain, but that proposal came under fire immediately.

"We were concerned about the noise, the threat and the traffic," says Jim Swift, a member of the Table Mountain Association, which was formed specifically to deal with the gun range proposal.

More than 100 nearby residents attended a meeting to shoot down (successfully) the range initiative.

But that leaves the county in something of a dilemma, at least as far gun owners are concerned, because there are only two safe, regulated places to shoot.

"And not having safe places to shoot is a public safety issue," says Ralph Stoevener of High Country Gunsmithing, adding that many people head up into Lefthand Canyon unsupervised. "It encourages misuse ... that is a mindless situation for us to be in."

On this particular issue, most anti-gun groups seem to agree.

"It would depend on the location and what the regulations were (but) if people would limit themselves to shooting in dedicated areas, it might be an improvement," says Betty Ball of the Rocky Mountain Peace and Justice Center, adding, however, that ranges "just encourage gun use, which is a disturbing aspect."

As for the Denver-based Physicians for Social Responsibility and the Brady Campaign, the topic of ranges is not even on their radar.

"Well, we have not gotten too involved with the whole rifle range issue," says Ted Pascoe, of Physicians for Social Responsibility. "It's not high up on our list of things."

John Shanks, regional director for the Brady Campaign, echoes his counterpart, saying that ranges haven't been an issue.

"We do not oppose individual law-abiding citizens," he says. "We believe that with gun ownership comes a great deal of responsibility (though)."

To this point, the Boulder Rifle Club, whose first incarnation was founded in 1923, has lived up to the responsibility. The club moved to its current location off 28th Street in 1977 and the only complaint on record, says Jim Burrus, media information officer for the County Commissioner, dates back to 1987, from a guy who ran a landfill operation near the club.

He contended that the club was dumping tires and trash on his property.

But nothing ever came of it.

Biting the bullet

For all of Jim Monserud's concentration during the high-power competition, his final tally was disappointing.

Out of a possible 800 points, which no one in the history of the sport has ever achieved, he put together a total in the 730s.

"It was a below average day," he says matter-of-factly.

As it was for a lot of people, due to tough environmental conditions, especially the wind.

But that's the beauty of the sport, Letkemann says.

"It's as much a game as anything else," he says. "It's just mind and body, working together to achieve the best you can.


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Fairly positive article. And from Boulder, the bastion of liberal looniness from Colorado.
1 posted on 12/02/2002 12:45:35 PM PST by 45Auto
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To: 45Auto
As of this past week, there are 805 members in a club designed to accommodate 250, with more than 350 people on a waiting list.

Sounds like it's time to open another facility or three.

2 posted on 12/02/2002 12:50:13 PM PST by wideawake
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To: 45Auto
This, in Boulder? Wonders never cease...BTT...
3 posted on 12/02/2002 12:50:28 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: *bang_list
I almost missed this one. Read for later.
4 posted on 12/02/2002 12:52:35 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: 45Auto
I see these "fairly positive" articles from time to time. I'm always struck by the bemused and condescending tone, as though they were written by some highly sophisticated anthropologist describing the primitive amusements of a bunch of uneducated savages.
5 posted on 12/02/2002 12:54:18 PM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: wideawake
Sounds like it's time to open another facility or three.

Probably can't due to some regulation or another. This facility is probably grandfathered.

7 posted on 12/02/2002 1:03:22 PM PST by facedown
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To: glc1173@aol.com
I've often thought about how profitable a range would be as a business venture.

I agree that making it a friendly place for women would be paramount - in general women take the responsibility very seriously, they make for steady repeat business and they are excellent for free word-of-mouth advertising. Key factors for attracting female customers are cleanliness and professionalism - i.e. spotless restrooms and well-groomed, polite employees.

Giving group seminars on firearm safety and practical self-defense would be greatly appreciated as well, I expect.

An indoor range gives a sense of a more-controlled environment, even though it's expensive to maintain.

8 posted on 12/02/2002 1:06:32 PM PST by wideawake
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To: ArrogantBustard
Same here. It almost seems like the reporter is in shock to see some middle-age woman school teacher blasting away with a .45 or (God forbid) a black battle rifle. These reporters probably be in less shock if their best friend confided in them that he and his spouse really enjoy S&M.

Hopefully, the assigned reporter might augment their silly leftist notions when they realize that many, many Americans are ferverent Second Amendment supporters.
9 posted on 12/02/2002 1:10:38 PM PST by jjm2111
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To: ArrogantBustard; All
Someone out there in Boulder needs to invite this guy to a range trip to try out some hardware. This article was positive enough, that a range trip for that guy might bring him over to being an enthusiast. It has happened before.

Anyone have a Colorado FReeper ping list, or know any FReepers in Boulder that are also into firearms?
10 posted on 12/02/2002 1:13:48 PM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: dansangel; wideawake; glc1173@aol.com
Any comments on post #8?
11 posted on 12/02/2002 1:15:22 PM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: wideawake
I've been on the waiting list for four years. I'm currently driving about 50 miles to the Weld County range. The lefties here really wet their panties at the idea of another range opening.
12 posted on 12/02/2002 1:18:04 PM PST by dljordan
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To: 45Auto
Gently, almost lovingly, he squeezes the trigger...

What is it about firearms that give the average journalist a woody?

13 posted on 12/02/2002 1:19:10 PM PST by Redcloak
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To: wideawake
It's almost impossible now to open a range anywhere near an urban area here in the Midwest. A gun store in a suburb of Milwaukee wanted to buy a warehouse property in an industrial park. The municipal government of the area said no and then hurried up and changed the zoning law to exclude gun ranges. The insurance co.s are also down on ranges and hem and haw about insuring a new range. Existing ranges have to keep the policies they have and hope to heck no claims occur.
14 posted on 12/02/2002 1:20:16 PM PST by RicocheT
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To: Redcloak
This "almost lovingly" language gets repeated again in a number of variations in every mainstream media article about firearm owners.

That's partially because most journalists only see firearms in action movies, where people just fire off a bunch of rounds without any real target acquisition.

They just don't realize that the more deliberate and gentle you are in aiming and firing, the better your accuracy is.

15 posted on 12/02/2002 1:22:49 PM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake; .45MAN; FreedomPoster
FreedomPoster: Thank-you, as always for the ping.

wideawake: I was directed to this comment specifically for my opinion. You make some very valid points. .45MAN and I stopped patronizing one indoor range due to lack of ventilation, extreme dirtiness and the clientele it attracted. It's a bit unnerving to allow patrons to shoot sideways like they see in the movies and inadvertently take down ceiling tiles.

A firing range business venture with your points in mind would attract not only female gun enthusiasts, but male, as well. No one wants to compromise their safety just for the sake of firing a gun.
16 posted on 12/02/2002 1:24:08 PM PST by dansangel
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To: wideawake
I love my guns because: 1) You don't have to plug them in and 2) They don't need batteries.
17 posted on 12/02/2002 1:24:12 PM PST by Jerrybob
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To: wideawake
As of this past week, there are 805 members in a club designed to accommodate 250, with more than 350 people on a waiting list.

Sounds like it's time to open another facility or three.

Many communities are in the same situation or worse. In our case we have the only well equipped club in several counties (near Lexington, KY.) We have about 2500 members and a waiting list. Some years ago we relocated from an essentially urban location to approximately 2300 acres in a rural setting.

It wasn't easy to find a location where neighbors would accept us. We could not make such a move today without many more challenges - probably a battle through the courts.

IMO the next round of shooting ranges will be indoors, perhaps underground if they are to be near urban areas.

18 posted on 12/02/2002 1:25:33 PM PST by toddst
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To: glc1173@aol.com
If you are looking for a woman friendly range in the Connecticut, RI, NYC area I heartily recommend Ginsite Indoor Range in Guilford, CT. Frank and Patty the range owners even sponsored a Women on traget NRA event.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

19 posted on 12/02/2002 1:25:57 PM PST by harpseal
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To: toddst
IMO the next round of shooting ranges will be indoors, perhaps underground if they are to be near urban areas.

I was wondering whether someone would think of converting an underground parking garage into a range.

It makes a lot of sense.

20 posted on 12/02/2002 1:27:56 PM PST by wideawake
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To: 45Auto
Locator ^
21 posted on 12/02/2002 1:29:27 PM PST by backhoe
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To: dansangel
It's a bit unnerving to allow patrons to shoot sideways like they see in the movies and inadvertently take down ceiling tiles.

Aaarghh!

The famous hip-hop shooting stance.

22 posted on 12/02/2002 1:30:58 PM PST by wideawake
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To: toddst
I learned that my high school (built in the 30s) had a 100 yard range underground only last week from my old civics teacher (who was a graduate of that fine institution and remembers).
23 posted on 12/02/2002 1:33:06 PM PST by RKV
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To: dljordan
One way to stop that fifty mile drive is to go to the competitions of the club you want to join. I can get all the shooting done I want by taking part in the IDPA and the High Power matches. You can also get checked out as a range safety officer and help run the matches. I'm currently in my third year with the club and finishing my first year as a Range Safety Officer and they finally realized I wasn't a member. I think if I asked, I would go to the top of the list.

In every match I have gone to, there are only about seven people who really run the matches out of forty people. They are always asking for more help and they would be glad to support someone who supports them. Give it a try.
24 posted on 12/02/2002 1:38:56 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: wideawake; dansangel; .45MAN
Aaarghh!

The famous hip-hop shooting stance.

While I don't want to be at a range where that shooting "style" is being displayed, I hope it continues to be popular among the homeboyz, as it pretty well guarantees inaccurate fire.

Return fire will be well-aimed.

Let's just hope they don't learn about HoMeBoY NyTe SyTeS. ;-)

25 posted on 12/02/2002 1:49:48 PM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: wideawake
I was wondering whether someone would think of converting an underground parking garage into a range. It makes a lot of sense.

It does if soundproofing is possible, dimensions allow appropriate distances along with ways to provide adequate ventilation. Most practical is a specific-use design that allows surface areas to have other commercial applications that don't conflict. Think out-of-the-box on this.

26 posted on 12/02/2002 1:51:03 PM PST by toddst
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To: Redcloak
Gently, almost lovingly, he squeezes the trigger... What is it about firearms that give the average journalist a woody?

The writer is "emoting", like Stone Philips on the tube. One of the problems of the press, is the desire to write the great American novel on the newspapers time and at the expense of our liberties.

27 posted on 12/02/2002 1:51:16 PM PST by elbucko
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To: wideawake
The famous hip-hop shooting stance.


28 posted on 12/02/2002 1:57:01 PM PST by Britton J Wingfield
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To: Britton J Wingfield; FreedomPoster
LOL!!!
29 posted on 12/02/2002 1:58:51 PM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake
If you hate that, don't see the finale in the movie, "Behind Enemy Lines".
30 posted on 12/02/2002 2:07:10 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: 45Auto
I'm not sure but I think there are only three other Freepers besides myself that shoot High Power Rifle.
31 posted on 12/02/2002 2:08:46 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: toddst
I've been thinking for a couple of years now that a great business idea would be a combo golf driving range / underground shooting range. Golf on top, of course, with the shooting below. How much room does a golf driving range need--300 yards? 400 yards? That would be more than sufficient. I'd love to have an indoor (underground) 200 yard rifle range. Perfect family fun, maximum utilization of your acreage.

Stick this in a convenient location for folks to get to during their lunch hour or after work and you'd be set.

If I were the entrepreneurial type I'd love to try this.

32 posted on 12/02/2002 2:08:56 PM PST by Andiceman
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To: Shooter 2.5
>I'm not sure but I think there are only three other Freepers besides myself that shoot High Power Rifle.

That would surprise me, but I guess it might be true. I've done a 100 yard high power simulation match. It was a lot of fun. I may join the range that sponsored the shoot. Given this article, I had better get at and do it, before their membership fills up.

The match used relaxed rules, and didn't just allow CMP-sanctioned U.S. rifles; any military pattern rifle was allowed. Enfields, FAL's, even SKS's were there. I shot my FAL, came in 2nd or 3rd in the FAL category (there were 8 or 9 of us shooting FAL's).
33 posted on 12/02/2002 2:15:16 PM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: 45Auto
Boulder, a city known for peace, love and all things politically correct

Along with the offices of Soldier of Fortune magazine. :)

34 posted on 12/02/2002 2:15:53 PM PST by El Gato
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To: wideawake
"I've often thought about how profitable a range would be as a business venture. I agree that making it a friendly place for women would be paramount - in general women take the responsibility very seriously, they make for steady repeat business and they are excellent for free word-of-mouth advertising. Key factors for attracting female customers are cleanliness and professionalism - i.e. spotless restrooms and well-groomed, polite employees."

It can do quite well - if it does the things you mention, plus is not in a semirural-to-rural area where outdoor shooting areas abound for free. As you note, it absolutely has to be - and look - woman-friendly; the look of a little WWII-surplus furniture doesn't cut it.

35 posted on 12/02/2002 2:16:31 PM PST by glc1173@aol.com
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To: FreedomPoster
Ha!! I have seen this pistol, it's only accurate up to 6 feet some of the time, and holding the pistol that way makes it very hard to reload..
36 posted on 12/02/2002 2:19:25 PM PST by .45MAN
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To: 45Auto
Wouldn't it be great if there were a gun club and firing range in every high school acrosss the country?
37 posted on 12/02/2002 2:25:45 PM PST by Gary Boldwater
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To: FreedomPoster
I have been to matches like that. It still qualifies the shooter for CMP status. One person shot a 45/70 trapdoor and I started the applause when he finished his rapid string. You could see the holes at 200 with a pair of binoculars, not in the black though.

A year or so ago, I asked on numerous occasions if anyone shot High Power and only three other people replied and this was among the shooters from the Freeper Postal Rifle match and the pistol match.
38 posted on 12/02/2002 2:27:00 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: El Gato
>>Along with the offices of Soldier of Fortune magazine. :)

Best on-the-ground reporting on the War on Radical Islam to be found. The folks at Barnes and Noble are idiots for not merchandising it as such, and selling a boatload of copies.
39 posted on 12/02/2002 2:28:17 PM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: 45Auto
We have a fairly good plywood bill every year,"

The gun club in near here, uses a laminated insulation board which is about 1/2" thick, with foil on both sides. It's easy to staple or tape targets and I suspect it's cheaper than plywood.

40 posted on 12/02/2002 2:41:26 PM PST by CWRWinger
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To: 45Auto
Thousands of tires, piled on top of each other and hand-packed with dirt, demarcate each of the four open-air ranges. Earthen berms, intended to stop the bullets, back each one.

Interesting use of old tires.

41 posted on 12/02/2002 2:44:33 PM PST by CWRWinger
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To: Shooter 2.5
I shoot a Ruger #1 in 270 when deer hunting, does that count? Have not shot in competition.
42 posted on 12/02/2002 2:49:28 PM PST by tnwalker
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To: Andiceman
. . . a great business idea would be a combo golf driving range / underground shooting range.

Yours is an excellent idea. The two would be compatible - no problem IMO. Worth considering.

43 posted on 12/02/2002 3:10:56 PM PST by toddst
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To: Britton J Wingfield; .45MAN; FreedomPoster; wideawake
LOL!!! "If you build it, some moron will use it."
44 posted on 12/02/2002 3:13:52 PM PST by dansangel
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To: tnwalker
There's a mandatory reload so you would do better with any semi or bolt action with a magazine or clip fed. Iron sights only.

A fifty round match is:
200 yards-standing-single load-10 shots/10 minutes.
200 yards-standing to sitting or kneeling-10 shots with one mandatory reload/60 seconds.
300 yards-standing to prone-10 shots with one mandatory reload/70 seconds.
600 yards-prone-single load-20 rounds/20 minutes.

For reduced ranges, reduced targets are used.

My average is 460-465 and I have shot a couple of 99's and 98's in the sitting rapid.
45 posted on 12/02/2002 3:43:56 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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I've shot highpower - F-class.

What residents probably don't realize either, Letkemann says, is that it's your doctors, lawyers, teachers, government workers and police officers who use the facility.

I belong to a private outdoor range in Racine, WI, and the vast majority of it's members are blue collar union workers. I have yet to meet a doctor, a lawyer, or a teacher there.

46 posted on 12/02/2002 3:59:19 PM PST by Monitor
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I looked through the rules and I think you shoot in the 3.2 Any Rifle Rules. I have never seen anyone shoot who had a scope. In fact, I have only seen one match rifle lately. We're using the NRA High Power Rifle Rules.

I shoot with Doctors, Nurses, and people who have a little bit of disposable income. The only reason I know the people were doctors and nurses was they all worked at the same hospital and they talked shop a couple of times. We don't talk a lot about our jobs. I shot with a guy for about a year and I found out later he worked a few feet from me but on another shift. I may have even met him at work a couple of times but since I retired, I have forgotten a lot of people.
47 posted on 12/02/2002 4:19:46 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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I looked through the rules and I think you shoot in the 3.2 Any Rifle Rules.

Could be. I don't have a copy of the rules. But, I understand that F-class is unsanctioned by the NRA, and it's up to the club putting on the match if they'll allow F-class (fun-class) rifles.

Generally speaking, F-class allows non service weapons, scopes, bipods, sand bags, and all shots are done prone.

48 posted on 12/02/2002 4:29:14 PM PST by Monitor
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That makes sense now. Your club sanctioned the match.

I used to shoot at matches at a club that called their matches Garand Matches. All of us didn't have Garands but by shooting the match, it entitled us to qualify for a Garand from the CMP. It wasn't until years later, I learned we were really shooting sanctioned NRA High Power Matches.
the club I'm shooting with now has tightened the rules up so much that I have only seen one Match Rifle. That's by choice. It's much easier to see how well I do if I shoot the same classification.
49 posted on 12/02/2002 4:39:00 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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Our juniors shooting NRA High Power Rifle

Even our Juniors know how to adjust a sling better than algore.

50 posted on 12/02/2002 4:42:22 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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