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Vietnam hero who opposed war wants to take on Bush (KERRY ALERT)
The Daily Telegraph ^ | December 3, 2002 | Toby Harnden

Posted on 12/02/2002 5:13:09 PM PST by MadIvan

Senator John Kerry, a decorated Vietnam veteran who became a leader of the anti-war movement, has announced he is challenging President George W Bush for the White House in 2004.

With Mr Bush's popularity ratings topping 60 per cent, the Democrat from Massachusetts has a political mountain to climb, even if he sees off opponents in the party's primary elections.

He has become the first Democrat to offer a comprehensive critique of Mr Bush's policies and some party elders believe his war record could make him a more attractive candidate than Al Gore, the former vice-president.

Mr Kerry, 59, said he was forming an "exploratory committee" for 2004 and attacked Mr Bush. "On almost every issue, I believe there is a better choice for this nation," he said.

Although he voted to authorise military action against Iraq, Mr Kerry urged caution before using troops. "I will not support the president to proceed unilaterally if it is simply the president's effort to try to do regime change without regard to the legitimacy of the inspection process or the legitimacy of the United Nations process itself," he said.

The war on terrorism had gone badly, he argued, saying that Osama bin Laden, al-Qa'eda and the Taliban leader Mullah Omar were "still on the loose".

Mr Gore, who won the popular vote in 2000, is considered the leading Democratic contender. But there is little enthusiasm for him in the upper reaches of a party close to panic after the Republican victory in last month's mid-term elections.

Senator John Edwards, of North Carolina, a wealthy lawyer, is the favourite of conservative Democrats, but critics say he must prove he is more than a pretty face.

Publicly at least, the White House relishes a challenge from Mr Kerry because he could be portrayed as a "Massachusetts liberal" in the mould of Senator Ted Kennedy or Governor Michael Dukakis, who was defeated by George Bush Snr in the 1988 presidential election.

Mr Kerry was lieutenant governor of the state under Mr Dukakis and, like him, opposes the death penalty, a stance considered political suicide.

Other question marks have been raised against Mr Kerry. As a youth, he is said to have been fixated with becoming president and often referred to having the same initials as John F Kennedy, with whom he once went sailing. Others called him self-obsessed and suggested the initials stood for "Just For Kerry".

He is married to Theresa Heinz, the ketchup heiress and widow of Republican Senator John Heinz. Mr Kerry's aides worry that his wife's frankness could damage his chances.

During a Washington Post interview this year, she contradicted him when he said his Vietnam nightmares had stopped and mimicked him shouting "down, down, down" in his sleep.

"I haven't gotten slapped yet," she said. "But there were times when I thought I might get throttled." As a US Navy lieutenant, Mr Kerry won a Silver Star for storming a Vietcong position on the Mekong Delta and a Bronze Star for rescuing a comrade. He was wounded three times.

In a protest in Washington, he joined veterans throwing their medals on the Capitol steps. It later emerged he had discarded only the ribbons, an act portrayed by non-admirers as typically calculating. But as head of Vietnam Veterans Against the War, he left an indelible mark when testifying to members of the Senate foreign relations committee, on which he now sits.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; US: Massachusetts; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: bush; kerry; massachusetts; president
The last Northeastern liberal to be elected President was John F. Kennedy in 1960. Please do run, Senator Kerry, we all need a good laugh. ;)

Regards, Ivan


1 posted on 12/02/2002 5:13:09 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: Delmarksman; Sparta; Toirdhealbheach Beucail; TopQuark; TexKat; Iowa Granny; vbmoneyspender; ...
Bump!
2 posted on 12/02/2002 5:13:29 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
He is an idiot and a loser if he thinks that will win him the presidency.
3 posted on 12/02/2002 5:18:02 PM PST by areafiftyone
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To: MadIvan
In a protest in Washington, he joined veterans throwing their medals on the Capitol steps. It later emerged he had discarded only the ribbons, an act portrayed by non-admirers as typically calculating.

Kerry actually threw medals belonging to someone else. Read all about that POS and his role in Dewey Canyon in the book Stolen Valor.

4 posted on 12/02/2002 5:21:42 PM PST by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: MadIvan

Senator Kerry is the only Candidate that could debate Gore and make Gore look like a man with charisma.


5 posted on 12/02/2002 5:27:18 PM PST by Common Tator
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To: MadIvan
What's really hilarious is that he's planning on running a "populist" campaign, ala Al "I grew up in a DC penthouse" Gore. He's a real man of the people - according to Rush today, he gets his hair cut by Hillary's stylist at $150 a pop. He even talks like Gore - that same snotty pedantic monotone.
6 posted on 12/02/2002 5:29:14 PM PST by CFC__VRWC
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To: MadIvan
Kerry the Chameleon

"Kerry, the "noble statesman" and "highly decorated Vietnam vet" of today, is a far cry from Kerry, the radical, hippie-like leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) in the early 1970s. After Kerry, as a Navy Lieutenant (junior grade) commanding a Swift boat in Vietnam, was awarded the Silver he found it advantageous to quit the Navy, change the color of his politics and become a leader of VVAW. He went to work organizing opposition in America against the efforts of his former buddies still ducking communist bullets back in Vietnam. Kerry gained national attention in April 1971, when he testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, then chaired by Sen. J. William Fulbright (D-AR), who led opposition in the Congress against U.S. participation in the war. During the course of his testimony, Kerry stated that the United States had a definite obligation to make extensive economic reparations to the people of Vietnam.

Kerry's testimony, it should be noted, occurred while some of his fellow Vietnam veterans were known by the world to be enduring terrible suffering as prisoners of war in North Vietnamese prisons. No doubt most of the Establishment press will continue to obscure from the public and themselves the raw truth about Kerry, the communist Vietnamese and the POW/MIA issue because it is politically convenient. There is also no doubt the POW/MIA families and Vietnam veteran activists know the truth and recognize Kerry for what he truly is--a traitor, hypocrite, liar and chameleon.”

Full Story

7 posted on 12/02/2002 5:29:24 PM PST by South40
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To: MadIvan
Kerry will probably squeeze a little catsup on himself and claim it's blood.

He's SOOOO 60's it makes my teeth hurt.

Did I mention I'm only a few years younger than Mr. big hair?

sheesh

8 posted on 12/02/2002 5:32:06 PM PST by mombonn
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To: MadIvan
The day he orchestrated the throwing back of medals by many VietNam Vets, he disgraced himself and worse, my buddies whose names are on the wall!!!!!

I will never forget or forgive that!!

9 posted on 12/02/2002 5:33:07 PM PST by gitmogrunt
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To: Common Tator
Senator Kerry is the only Candidate that could debate Gore and make Gore look like a man with charisma.

The networks would literally have to run a health advisory for that debate - "Warning, the Surgeon General has determined that exposure to the Gore/Kerry debate could slow down your cerebral function to the point where you may stop breathing. Have oxygen immediately on hand."

Of course, they could just skip that and show the debate on MSNBC and PBS.

10 posted on 12/02/2002 5:38:45 PM PST by CFC__VRWC
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To: MadIvan
The same Viet Nam hero threw all a grateful nation pined on him away the day he stood behind an impeached rapist he called a great president. He stood for party and not principal. I wouldn’t believe a word the sorry so & so has to say. He is also delaying some help to a small tribe of mountain people who are the subjects of genocide---today! Why?
11 posted on 12/02/2002 6:17:20 PM PST by yoe
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To: MadIvan
Actually having a decorated fighting man run might not be a bad way for the Dems to go, especially during this present time. I don't think anyone is going to defeat Bush, but Kerry is not such a bad Dem idea, strategically speaking.
12 posted on 12/02/2002 6:21:17 PM PST by realpatriot71
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To: MadIvan
Let's start with the "Vietnam hero" thing. I heard people talking about that foul-up while I was in-country. According to them, the dumb sh*t managed to run his boat aground and was then forced to fight his way out of his own screw-up.

But then, John Kennedy managed to be the only PT boat skipper in WW II dumb enough to shut-down his engines during a battle and subsequently get himself rammed and sunk, and look what he did with what should have been a court-martial.

Of course, those accidents happened before the Internet and the Vast Right-Wing Press Conspiracy...Muuhahahahahaha!

13 posted on 12/02/2002 6:28:20 PM PST by pabianice
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To: mombonn
Kerry will probably squeeze a little catsup on himself and claim it's blood.

Kerry is very good at squeezing the Heinz...widow that is...

14 posted on 12/02/2002 6:31:51 PM PST by Young Rhino
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To: MadIvan
He is married to Theresa Heinz, the ketchup heiress and widow of Republican Senator John Heinz. Mr Kerry's aides worry that his wife's frankness could damage his chances.

Who's fast shaping up to be the Anna Nicole of politics. Bring it on and pass the popcorn.

15 posted on 12/02/2002 6:59:55 PM PST by guitfiddlist
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To: MadIvan
Senator John Edwards, of North Carolina, a wealthy lawyer, is the favourite of conservative Democrats, but critics say he must prove he is more than a pretty face.

As opposed to being a "butt ugly gold digger"?

16 posted on 12/02/2002 7:00:52 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter
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To: South40
This documentation should be sent to Rush Limbaugh. His research and writers will distill the facts and opinion piece by Rush down to a half hour discussion by El Rushbo. Rush cooked Tiny Tom, and he can do the same to Kerry.
17 posted on 12/02/2002 8:39:16 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: pabianice
Let's start with the "Vietnam hero" thing. I heard people talking about that foul-up while I was in-country. According to them, the dumb sh*t managed to run his boat aground and was then forced to fight his way out of his own screw-up. But then, John Kennedy managed to be the only PT boat skipper in WW II dumb enough to shut-down his engines during a battle and subsequently get himself rammed and sunk, and look what he did with what should have been a court-martial.

Yeah, like Max Cleland, ex-Sen from Georgia, is a "war hero" becuase he lost 3 limbs jumping on a live grenade....a live grenade HE was playing around with and dropped!

18 posted on 12/02/2002 8:45:26 PM PST by Fledermaus
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To: Cobra64
Don't worry, Rush was having a lot of fun with Kerry today!
19 posted on 12/02/2002 8:46:29 PM PST by Fledermaus
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To: Fledermaus; pabianice; South40; MadIvan
Yeah, like Max Cleland, ex-Sen from Georgia, is a "war hero" becuase he lost 3 limbs jumping on a live grenade....a live grenade HE was playing around with and dropped!

I have never heard that before, although it wouldn't surprise me. Could you point me to a source on that (tried google with no luck)?.

Most Dem "veterans" (and not a few Republicans, I am sure) have a few skeletons in their closet...as far as I know John Glenn is still the real deal, despite his politics.

Does anyone know if there is a comprehensive site devoted to tracking down the records, warts and all, of our political war "heros"? I have found many sources on McCain, for example, but if those could be summed to some damning evidence on Cleland and others (like, say, Kerry with his alleged My Lai-style antics) it could be very useful.

Mind you, I do not bring this up because I *enjoy* finding flaws in our military men, but rather because the truth about these things is important in and of itself, and what's more, I am sick and tired of all these fraudulent martyrs pretending they ever gave a damn about this country.

The POW/MIA Vietnam situation is a whole 'nother can of worms that needs to get busted open...I can't believe McCain got away with selling out American lives...

20 posted on 12/02/2002 8:56:05 PM PST by Lizard_King
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To: MadIvan
I still contend that JFK was not a liberal. He instituted across the board tax cuts, built up the military, and ran on a platform that said he was just as tough as Nixon on communists. The same thing Reagan did 20 years later.
21 posted on 12/02/2002 11:33:07 PM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: KC_Conspirator
still contend that JFK was not a liberal. He instituted across the board tax cuts, built up the military, and ran on a platform that said he was just as tough as Nixon on communists. The same thing Reagan did 20 years later.

Pardon me, Northeastern Democrat. I doubt however that someone who votes with Ted Kennedy 100% of the time is going to play well in the South and Midwest.

Regards, Ivan

22 posted on 12/02/2002 11:35:27 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
I have always said that the far left likes to wrap themselves in JFK, but the facts are that JFK and the rest of the Kennedy's did not get too liberal until after his assassination. Even Bobby worked with Roy Cohn in hunting down communists in the 50's and Joe Sr. seriously thought about marrying one of his daughters to McCarthy. Joe Sr. also donated campaing contributions to Nixon until it was apparenty he was going to face his son.

The left always wants to point out how they served in the military or have friends or relatives who served in order to burnish their anti-war credentials. However, after spending over three decades fighting efforts of the US to defend itself, he's going to be another Dukakis in a tank.

23 posted on 12/02/2002 11:45:54 PM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: South40
You needed to post this part of the dispatch:

"Recently, Kerry became extremely defensive when David Warsh, an economics columnist for The Boston Globe, questioned the circumstances for which Kerry was awarded the Silver Star. Kerry, who was in a close re-election battle with Gov. William F. Weld, a Republican, quickly gathered his former crew from his Swift boat days to rebuff the 'assault on his integrity.'

"According to the official citation accompanying the Silver Star for Kerry's actions on the waters of the Mekong Delta on February 28, 1969: 'Kerry's craft received a B-40 rocket close aboard. Once again Lieutenant (j.g.) Kerry ordered his units to charge the enemy positions. . . Patrol Craft Fast 94 then beached in the center of the enemy positions and an enemy soldier sprang up from his position not ten feet from Patrol Craft 94 and fled. Without hesitation Lieutenant (j.g.) Kerry leaped ashore, pursued the man behind a hootch and killed him, capturing a B-40 rocket launcher with a round in the chamber.' In an article printed in the October 21st and 28th 1996 edition of The New Yorker, Kerry was asked about the man he had killed.

"'It was either going to be him or it was going to be us. It was that simple. I don't know why it wasn't us--I mean, to this day. He had a rocket pointed right at our boat. He stood up out of the hole, and none of us saw him until he was standing in front of us, aiming a rocket right at us, and, for whatever reason, he didn't pull the trigger--he turned and ran. He was shocked to see our boat right in front of him. If he'd pulled the trigger, we'd all be dead . . . I just won't talk about all of it. I don't and I can't. The things that probably really turn me I've never told anybody. Nobody would understand,' Kerry said. In the column, Warsh quoted the Swift boat's former gunner, Tom Belodeau, as saying the Viet Cong soldier who Kerry chased 'behind a hootch' and 'finished off' actually had already been wounded by the gunner.

"Warsh wrote that such a 'coup de grace' would have been considered a war crime. Belodeau stood beside Kerry and said he'd been misquoted. He conceded that he had fired at and wounded the Viet Cong, but denied Kerry had simply executed the wounded Viet Cong. Dan Carr, a former Marine from Massachusetts, who served 14 months as a rifleman sloshing around in the humid jungles of I Corps, South Vietnam, questioned whether or not Kerry deserved a Silver Star for chasing and killing a lone, wounded, retreating Viet Cong. 'Kerry is certainly showing some sensitivity there. Most people I knew in Vietnam were just trying to pull their time there and get the hell out. There were some, though, who actually used Vietnam to get their tickets punched. You know, to build their resumes for future endeavors,' Carr said."

IMHO John Kerry is a smuck!

24 posted on 12/03/2002 1:50:15 AM PST by sonofatpatcher2
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To: areafiftyone
Who wants a President who look like he's one of the living dead????
25 posted on 12/03/2002 4:14:54 AM PST by chiefqc
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To: Fledermaus
and i'm sure that you, great 'hero', would also jump on a live grenade that you were 'playing' with to protect others from your folly rather than running away and saving your own butt (or limbs for that matter)
do me a favor and try to refrain from insulting _any_ veterans (whatever their politics may be) who gave one ounce of sweat or blood in service to our nation.
insult them on their ideas if you wish, but not their service.
26 posted on 12/03/2002 4:49:09 AM PST by anka
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To: chiefqc; Fledermaus; MadIvan

27 posted on 12/03/2002 4:51:07 AM PST by BigWaveBetty
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To: MadIvan; parida
Here's a first-person account of two separate run-ins with Senator Kerry that show better than a thousand op-ed columns what kind of person Kerry really is. (Not that we need a lot of convincing.)
28 posted on 12/03/2002 11:54:32 AM PST by Middle Man
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To: anka
do me a favor and try to refrain from insulting _any_ veterans (whatever their politics may be) who gave one ounce of sweat or blood in service to our nation. insult them on their ideas if you wish, but not their service.

You are right. I'll start think better thoughts of Timothy McViegh now. Or maybe Al Gore, the pretend veteran who stayed in hotels with a body guard and didn't have to fill out his 2 year commitment because his daddy lost his election.

29 posted on 12/06/2002 7:40:36 PM PST by Fledermaus
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To: Fledermaus
hey fledermaus.

re-read my post. specifically the part about not insulting them for their service but their ideas.
you decided to deride a man who served for our country for blowing off some limbs because he jumped on a grenade... if you don't see something wrong with that then I don't really have anything else to say.

later.

anka
30 posted on 12/09/2002 4:12:21 PM PST by anka
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To: anka
re-read my post. specifically the part about not insulting them for their service but their ideas. you decided to deride a man who served for our country for blowing off some limbs because he jumped on a grenade... if you don't see something wrong with that then I don't really have anything else to say.

I don't have to re-read your post, I got it the first time. Obviously with you, everyone who ever put on the uniform is a saint and can't be questioned about their service and only their ideals.

I'll be happy to pass that on to my youngest brother who will retire from the Air Force this March after 21 years of service. Most of that working undercover with OSS finding, tracking and arresting jerks who wear the uniform that committed crimes such as rape, drug dealing, theft and even murder!

He couldn't have cared less about insulting them for any reason since they all were convicted and drummed out of the serivce.

There are bad apples in all bunches. And Max Cleland is no hero for protecting the lives of people he endangered through his own stupidity!

31 posted on 12/13/2002 1:30:23 AM PST by Fledermaus
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To: Cobra64
Rush is the LAST person who should be working this angle IMHO.
32 posted on 12/13/2002 1:44:11 AM PST by kms61
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To: Fledermaus; pabianice
Those are strong accusations you both make. I assume you have equally strong evidence to back up your allegations.
33 posted on 12/13/2002 2:08:55 AM PST by kms61
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