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Bomb Canada: The case for war
National Review ^ | November 25, 2002 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 12/03/2002 5:25:52 PM PST by quidnunc

It's quite possible that the greatest favor the United States could do for Canada is to declare war on it. No, this isn't a tribute to South Park, the TV cartoon that popularized a song — Blame Canada — calling for an outright invasion of America's northern neighbor. A full-scale conquest is unnecessary; all Canada needs is to be slapped around a little bit, to be treated like a whining kid who's got to start acting like a man. Why would such a war be necessary? The short answer is: to keep the Canadians from being conquered by the United States. In effect, it would be a war to keep Canada free. But first some background.

Five decades ago, historian Frank Underhill wrote that the Canadian is "the first anti-American, the model anti-American, the archetypal anti-American, the ideal anti-American as he exists in the mind of God." In a sense this isn't really true. Philosophically and politically, the New Soviet Man was a superior anti-American: He not only hated America but had a blueprint for its replacement. After all, the perfect anti-American must be pro-something else; he must offer a viable alternative to that which he detests.

Canadian anti-Americanism does none of this. It is anti-American by reflex, which is to say that when America goes about its business, Canada flinches and calls this tic "the Canadian way." It was ever thus: The very formation of the Canadian state was, quite literally, a flinch in response to America;=’s muscle-flexing. Canada’s 1867 confederation, according to most historians, was the direct result of Canada’s not-unfounded fears that the battle-hardened Union Army would turn its sights on Canada the way a still-peckish lion lazily turns on a fat gazelle. The Canadian Mounties, perhaps the most enduring symbol of Canadian pride and rectitude, were created to restrain the tomfoolery of American whiskey traders. They chose their red tunics solely to distinguish themselves from the union blues of the American cavalry. It may even have been Americans who came up with the Mounties’ famous motto, “They always get their man.”

The sick man of North America

Virtually all of Canada's public policies were born out of a studied contrariness to U.S. policies, real or perceived. Canada's disastrous health-care system survives because of three things: vast sums of (poorly spent) money, the limitless patience of Canadian citizens who are regularly willing to wait between four and eight months for necessary surgeries, and the widespread fear that any reform might constitute "Americanization." There's every reason to believe that Canadians would embrace at least a few market reforms — which might, for example, reduce the wait for an MRI from a national median of 12.4 weeks — if only it didn't seem like capitulation to "American-style" health care. But Canada won’t even legalize private health insurance as long as this is perceived as Americanization. It is a matter of national pride to have a “different” — i.e., worse-but-more-egalitarian — health-care system than they do south of the border (I mean south of our border: Canada has fewer MRI machines per capita than Latin America).

The accusation of wanting to “Americanize” healthcare is a Medusa’s head any politician can use to petrify opponents. Mike Harris, the premier of Ontario, declared in a 2001 TV interview: “If we’re going to have a universal system … we should not be afraid to say, ‘Can the private sector run this hospital better? If they can, why should we fear that?’ “ The reaction from editorialists and the health-care community was one of near-total condemnation — including the charge of “Americanization.”

At a conference sponsored by the Fraser Institute, a free-marker-oriented Canadian think tank, I listened to a speech by Preston Manning, a founder of the conservative New Alliance Party. I sat next to David Gratzer, a Canadian health-care expert and physician. “This guy is sort of the standard-bearer for free-market conservatives in Canada,” Gratzer said, gesturing at Manning, “and he’s to the left of Sweden.”

Gratzer was serious. Over the last ten years, Sweden has introduced a host of fee-for-service reforms, and the government now permits private health insurance. These moves have reduced waiting periods for equipment and surgeries, by 50 per-cent in some cases. Canada is the only industrialized democracy in the world that flatly prohibits private insurance of any kind. One wonders why they don’t just call it Swedenization and get to work.

Indeed, in the last election Prime Minister Jean Chrétien campaigned on a promise to shut down private MRI clinics that had sprouted up to meet demand. Chrétien argued that such clinics undermine the ideal of universal health care; not a single major party objected. The result was predictable: Hospital parking lots in Michigan are full of Canadian license plates. And is Saskatchewan — the province where Canadian socialized medicine was born — the phone book displays an ad for a clinic in North Dakota. It reads: “Need Health car Now?”

Health care is only the most prominent example of the Canadian ethos being frozen in the headlights of anti-Americanism. The dysfunctional state of Canadian democracy is partially attributable to Canada's fears of seeming too American. Preston Manning has spoken about the need to permit cross-party coalition building in Parliament — yet he is very quick to caution that Canadians don't want "American-style" politics. But Canada is barely a functioning democracy at all: Its governmental structure, if described objectively, is far more similar to what we would expect in a corrupt African state with decades of one-party rule. Jeffrey Simpson , who might be called to Canadian David Broder, has even written a book entitled The Friendly Dictatorship, which sports on its cover a doctored photo of Jean Chrétien in a Pinochet-style military tunic. Simpson argues not only that Chrétien is the “Sun King” of Canada, but that the government itself is designed to be for all intents and purposes a secular monarchy. In Canada, the prime minister appoints the entire senate and has a level of control over members of parliament that would make Tom “The Hammer” DeLay surrender his whip. If one of Chrétien’s fellow Liberals fails to toe the party line, the prime minister has the power to kick him out of the party and even to refuse to ratify his election papers.

The Americanization of Nanook?

In fact, nothing would be better for Canada than a rabble-rousing, American-style democracy. It's not as if Canada had no conservatives: The western region, for example, is remarkably similar to America's in its laissez-faire attitude, but the stagnant political system simply doesn't permit the expression of such regional differences at the federal level. Canada's Senate was intended, like America's, to represent regional interests — but because Canada's is appointed by the Prime Minister, its Senators tend to be geriatric cronies appointed as a reward for sycophancy.

One reason Canadians are reluctant to reform this bizarre system is that Canadian culture confuses its quirks with its character. Feeling swamped by U.S. culture, Canadians have stitched together a national identity from whatever's lying around. They try to plug leaks by restricting foreign ownership of bookstores and mandating huge quotas for homegrown cultural products. Canadians cling to this barely seaworthy raft, and are loath to untie a single plank from it. This explains the famous Canadian radio survey which asked listeners to complete the phrase, "as Canadian as ..." (looking for something like "as American as apple pie"). The winning response was: "as Canadian as possible, under the circumstances."

Consider, also, the rant of Molson Joe: “”I’m not a lumberjack or a fur trader. I don’t live in an igloo, eat blubber, or own a dogsled. i don’t know Jimmy, Suzie, or Sally from Canada, although I’m certain they’re very nice. I have a prime minister, not a president. I speak English and French, not American. And i pronounce it ‘about,’ not ‘a-boot.’ i can proudly sew my country’s flag on my backpack. I believe in peacekeeping, not policing; diversity not assimilation. And that the beaver is a proud and noble animal. A tuque is a hat, a chesterfield is a couch. And it’s pronounced zed. Okay? Not zee. Zed. Canada is the second-largest land mass, the first nation of hockey, and the best part of North Americas. My name is Joe and I am Canadian.”

This is the text from a Molson beer commercial that first appeared in movie theaters two years ago. It made “Molson Joe” a figure of Paul Bunyanesque stature in Canadian life. The public reacted to the ad as if it announced V-J Day: Schoolkids quoted it; parents loved it; Sheila Copps, Canada’s heritage minister, even showed it at an international conference on American cultural imperialism. This national bout of St. Vitus’s Dance over a mildly amusing beer commercial is a manifestation of Canada’s obsession with its own inferiority complex. Canadian Bookshelves groan with self-help books for the Canadian soul: Why I Hate Canadians; Nationalism Without Walls: The Unbearable Lightness of Being Canadian; Lament for a Nation; and many dozens of others.

The Washington Post’s former Canada bureau chief, Steven Pearlstein — an American — set off a firestorm with an essay noting that Canadian identity is being threatened by America’s overwhelming cultural and economic influence. This point has, of course, been made by one Canadian journalist or another pretty much every day for the last century; but for some reason, when it appeared in an American paper it was considered an outrage. Pearlstein wrote: “Over the years, Canadians might have coalesced around a shared sense of history but for the fact that they have little of it they consider worth remembering. The country never fought a revolution or a civil war, pioneered no great social or political movement, produced no great world leader, and committed no memorable atrocities — as one writer put it, Canada has no Lincolns, no Gettysburgs, and no Gettysburg addresses.”

Victoria Dickenson, director of Montreal’s McCord Museum of Canadian history, mouthed the typical reaction when she sarcastically exclaimed: “Gosh, if we could just massacre some people!” Journalists swarmed famous Canadian historians asking them to preen about Canada’s morally-superior history — which, Canadians boast, is an evolution not a revolution. They noted that America — what with slavery and war and all that — had no right to judge Canada.

Given all of the above, it's not surprising that when you talk to ordinary Canadians — who are, by and large, a wonderfully decent and friendly bunch — they have a ready vocabulary to explain the U.S.-Canada relationship. They talk about how America is Canada's "big brother" and how, like any younger sibling, Canada is naturally inclined to find fault with its more accomplished elders. But this metaphor leaves out an important part of the dynamic: Kid brothers normally express their objections not to their big brothers, but to their parents. "He failed his report card!" "He's guilty of 400 years of racism and oppression!" And so on.

For much of Canada's history, its parents could be found in the British Empire. Canada was founded largely by loyalists who rejected America's rebelliousness toward King George; it was never the prodigal son to England, but rather the good son who never left home. With independence, the Canadians were left without a parent to suck up to and with a resented brother who was now their only real protector. Indeed, the U.S. has supplanted dear old Dad as the most important player on the world stage; this new circumstance has prompted Canadians to find a surrogate parent in the United Nations. And that's a real problem, for both Canada and the U.S.

Kofi Annan’s Newfound Land

It is no exaggeration to say that Jean Chrétien is no friend of the United States. Shortly after 9/11 he made a series of idiotic remarks about how America essentially deserved what it got from al-Qaeda: We were attacked because we are too rich and arrogant, and the rest of the world is too poor and humble. He's never backed off those remarks and has even reiterated them. Chrétien's view is the settled opinion of most of Canada's intellectual class.

The Chrétien government believes that the war on terrorism is basically illegitimate. Hence Chrétien's mortifying foot-dragging before visiting Ground Zero; his insistence that it wouldn't be right to outlaw Hezbollah on Canadian soil; and his government's absurd hissy-fit over America's attempt to police its borders against immigrants from terrorist states who try to come through Canada. These policies are partly the product of a longstanding Canadian desire to be the UN's favourite country: Breaking with its immediate family — the U.S. and Britain — Canada has found a new family in the "international community." Canada has internalized the assumptions and mythology of UN-ology: not just anti-Americanism but also the belief that Western nations don't need military might anymore. As a consequence, Canada is simply unarmed.

“Canada has never been able to defend itself” says Barry Cooper, a Canadian defense expert. “We’ve always had to rely on coalitions, be they British, French, or the Americans.” The difference today, notes Cooper, is that Canada pretty much has no interest in even contributing to the coalition. Canada’s military has an immensely proud tradition and by all accounts Canadian warriors remain an impressive lot, but they are ill-equipped and increasingly under-trained.

Canadians have long talked about how they are a "moral superpower" and a nation of peacekeepers, not warriors. While they were never in fact a moral superpower — when was the last time a dictator said, "We'd better not, the Canadians might admonish us"? — Canadians were at one time a nation of a peacekeepers who helped enforce UN-brokered deals around the world (Suez 1956, Congo 1960, etc.). Today, Canada ranks Number 37 as a peacekeeping nation in terms of committed troops and resources, and it spends less than half the average of the skinflint defence budgets of NATO. Chrétien talks about not sending troops to Iraq; in truth, even if Chrétien wanted to join the Iraq invasion, Canada's role would be like Jamaica's at the Winter Olympics — a noble and heartwarming gesture, but a gesture nonetheless.

Despite Canada's self-delusions, it is, quite simply, not a serious country anymore. It is a northern Puerto Rico with an EU sensibility. Canada has no desire to be anything but the United Nations' ambassador to North America, talking about the need to keep the peace around the world but doing nothing about it save for hosting countless academic conferences about how terrible America is. It used to be an equal partner in NORAD, but now chooses to stay out of America's new homeland-defence plans — including missile defence — partly because it reflexively views anything in America's national-security interest to be inherently inimical to its own, partly because it draws juvenile satisfaction from being a stick-in-the-mud. In a sense, Canada is the boringly self-content society described in Francis Fukuyama's The End of History, except for the fact that history continues beyond its shores.

Naturally, America is going to defend itself with or without Canada's co-operation, but this self-Finlandization has serious consequences nonetheless. If, for example, al-Qaeda launched a September 11-style attack from Canadian soil, we would have only two choices: Ask Canada to take charge, or take charge ourselves. The predictable — and necessary — U.S. action would spark outrage.

We certainly don't need the burden of turning "the world's longest undefended border" into one of the world's longest defended ones. And that's why a little invasion is precisely what Canada needs. In the past, Canada has responded to real threats from the U.S. — and elsewhere — with courage and conviction (for instance, some say more Canadians went south to enlist for war in Vietnam than Americans went north to dodge it). If the U.S. were to launch a quick raid into Canada, blow up some symbolic but unoccupied structure — Toronto's CN Tower, or perhaps an empty hockey stadium — Canada would rearm overnight.

Indeed, Canada might even be forced to rethink many of its absurd socialist policies in order to pay for the costs involved in protecting itself from the Yankee peril. Canada's neurotic anti-Americanism would be transformed into manly resolve. The U.S. could quickly pretend to be frightened that it had messed with the wrong country, and negotiate a fragile peace with the newly ornery Canadians. In a sense, the U.S. owes it to Canada to slap it out of its shame-spiral. That's what big brothers do.


TOPICS: Canada; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: canada
MORE CANADA MAIL [Jonah Goldberg]

"I'm still getting about a half dozen angry emails a day from Canadians and two or three positive ones. Here's a fun angry one (yes, the comstockish asteriks are mine):

Yeah sh*thead, we apologize for even you a**holes' enjoyment in blowing everyone up. Typical american war-mongering rhetoric, who can we carpet bomb next, gotta keep our arms manufacturers rich! We'd all much rather be the UN's good son for MORAL reasons, many of us have the opinion we should pull out of NATO and NORAD all together and just concentrate on peacekeeping, we have priorities up here that do not include stomping on anyone who doesn't bow down to us, oh, and Chretien could win another majority election because we all agree you deserved it and your president IS a moron, something, by the way, that has gotten more press coverage down there than your dumb-a** pilot's friendly fire incident, or have you not heard about that? Keep up the good work, the less friendly terms we are on the better."

Posted at 10:52 AM

(‘The Corner’ in National Review, December 3, 2002)
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1 posted on 12/03/2002 5:25:52 PM PST by quidnunc
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To: quidnunc
Anti-American Attitude? Blame Canada

What David Hasselhoff is to Germans, I am the opposite to Canadians. OK, maybe I'm getting ahead of myself. But in the last week, yours truly has become one of the most reviled Americans north of the 49th Parallel. It's all because of a cover story for the current issue of National Review in which I argue for the strategic bombing of Canada.

Let me recap. Five decades ago, historian Frank Underhill wrote that the Canadian is "the first anti-American, the model anti-American, the archetypal anti-American, the ideal anti-American as he exists in the mind of God."

It's a rather famous quote among students of U.S.-Canada relations, and it's pretty much entirely wrong. The New Soviet Man or the French Intellectual: these are the "ideal" anti-Americans because they not only hated America but they offered an alternative to it (a dictatorship of the proletariat and a dictatorship of extremely clever cheese-makers, respectively).

Canadian anti-Americanism, meanwhile, is reflexive not reflective. It offers no alternatives, no positive vision. One angry e-mail I received summed it up: "The one great thing about Canada is that we're not America." Well, there are hundreds of countries that can put "not America" on their collective resumes.

-snip-

All of this matters because you cannot be a moral superpower — or even a persuasive voice — in world affairs if you are not willing to put your money where your mouth is. Moreover, despite what many Canadians may think, America has long seen her northern neighbor as a partner, not a vassal. But if Canada refuses to act like an ally, preferring to parrot anti-American insults from the floor of the U.N., the U.S. will do what's necessary without bothering to ask for Canada's opinion.

That's why I suggested — sarcastically — that we should bomb Canada. If we did, it might slap the Canadians back into coherence and force them to take their responsibilities seriously again.

The reaction from Canadians has been both surprising and predictable. Of the nearly 1,000 e-mails I've received, about a third of them are from Canucks on my side. They are ashamed of the false face projected by their government and media. It's heartwarming to hear, especially amid so many offers to slap me around. It's not the same as being the Canadian David Hasselhoff, but I'll take it.

(Jonah Goldberg [Tribune Media Services] in Town Hall, November 15, 2002)
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2 posted on 12/03/2002 5:33:58 PM PST by quidnunc
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To: quidnunc
Laughing BUMP
3 posted on 12/03/2002 5:34:33 PM PST by RippleFire
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To: quidnunc
I think the history of Canada would have been different if the Tories had gone to Jamaca.
4 posted on 12/03/2002 5:41:26 PM PST by Little Bill
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To: quidnunc
Lets send all vile French Canadians back to Canada, starting with Peter Jennings and Gary Trudeau. Both of these clymers hate America, and it is time to send them back to their land of hate.

Then, we can bitch slap the rest of the French Canadians who hate us as per Goldberg's suggestion:The U.S. owes it to Canada to slap it out of its shame-spiral.

All of the sane Canadians are welcome to come down or to secede and then become new American States.

5 posted on 12/03/2002 5:44:14 PM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: quidnunc
Actually, we did bomb Canada last summer - August, I believe it was. Blew the SkyDome to smithereens during a Bluejays game, but since nobody was there it hasn't hit the newspapers yet.
6 posted on 12/03/2002 5:48:43 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: quidnunc
There is something about the French language that warps the human mind. Maybe it's the diphtongs.
7 posted on 12/03/2002 5:52:09 PM PST by Consort
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To: Grampa Dave
Alberta, is about the only place worth saving, the rest are filled with vile NDP types. Give Qubec to the frogs and then seal the boarders, by the time they stop fighting among themselves, the two hundred prople left will willingly accept exile to France, homestead.
8 posted on 12/03/2002 5:55:31 PM PST by Little Bill
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To: Little Bill
You are even tougher on them than I am!:_)
9 posted on 12/03/2002 5:57:34 PM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: quidnunc
Well, I find much of this article's points hard to argue, but I will say this: the author made the point that the Canadian people are good people, for the most part. I will firmly attest to the truth of that statement; I live on a bordertown (Soo, Michigan) and I visit Canada several dozen time per year. The Canadian people I've met (and there are many) are the salt of the earth, friendly, humorous, and appreciative of my visits.

We need to remember that fact; the vast majority of the Canadian people where I live are NOT representative of their government. They are our friends, and they deserve mutual respect......

10 posted on 12/03/2002 5:59:55 PM PST by yooper
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To: quidnunc
Stupid post. Canada is our good friend. OK, OK, they have their problems. But name one other country that has consistently remained behind us more than Canada?

I love Canadians.

Besides, we love beating up on their hockey teams.

11 posted on 12/03/2002 6:01:18 PM PST by AGreatPer
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To: Grampa Dave
You are even tougher on them than I am!:_)

My Mother is a Herring Choker, Communists all, my Grandfather, who was a FDR Rat, hated the lot of them, came to the States after he got gased in WW1 and never crossed the boarder again, F'em he used to say, "They know where I live.

12 posted on 12/03/2002 6:13:18 PM PST by Little Bill
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To: AGreatPer
England and Australia.

Ooops, that's two. My bad.
13 posted on 12/03/2002 6:16:21 PM PST by rogue yam
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To: AGreatPer
Like during the Salt Lake Olympics?
14 posted on 12/03/2002 6:36:25 PM PST by xp38
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To: quidnunc
It is a northern Puerto Rico with an EU sensibility.

What did Puerto Rico do to deserve this insult?

15 posted on 12/03/2002 6:42:02 PM PST by Young Rhino
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To: Grampa Dave
Lets send all vile French Canadians back to Canada, starting with Peter Jennings

Hello?

Hey, I'm totally with you on Jennings being a jerk and embarassment, but Quebec has enough issues without soldiering them with Pete. :)

We're not a land of hate. We have a messed up political system that puts low grade morons in power and perpetuates their rule due to a lack of proper checks and balances. We've muddled along not badly until recently, but Chretien has taken to centralization of power more than Canada as a whole thought anyone would. Shortsighted, IMHO, but that's the fact. He only gets away with it because our Right can't get itself together. Something for another discussion.

Brian Mulroney enjoyed a strong relationship with The U.S.
Chretien is one of those stupid people who thinks acting superior to the States makes him look sophisticated. Any Canadian who has grown up near the border (something like 80+ percent of Canucks live within a few hundred kilometers of the border, and for most much less), cringes when they see and hear Chretien and those like him sneer like whiney spoiled children at the U.S. and wishes they would just shut up and go away.

Hey, you folks survived The Man From Hope, and stakes are higher if things go nuts in Washington; we'll come out of the Cretien era in time. Damage done, for sure, but Canadians always ultimately seem to put things right when it has to be done.

Cheers, eh!

16 posted on 12/03/2002 6:46:43 PM PST by mitchbert
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To: yooper
I'm with you, I like the Canadians, even some of the French Canadians in Montreal, Quebec, lol.

I loved the article though, its right on target as far as the woozie Canadian governments poor leadership and oh so typical liberal self-hatred (which carries over to hatred of the US). I especially loved this quote from the article:

when was the last time a dictator said, "We'd better not, the Canadians might admonish us"? —

How true! Brave Canadians have died fighting with, and sometimes even for, the United States. But cowardly leaders such as Prime Minister Jean Chrétien make the Country a laughing stock to the worlds murderers, militants, and terrorists. They simple call Canada a "home away from home."

17 posted on 12/03/2002 6:51:32 PM PST by Enlightiator
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To: Jimer
Maybe because Qu'est-ce que c'est? (What is it?) is pronounced: kes-keh-seh? Remember, those Normans are the ones who screwed up our spelling...
18 posted on 12/03/2002 6:54:06 PM PST by stands2reason
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To: rogue yam
Australia, England, Israel...
19 posted on 12/03/2002 6:56:01 PM PST by stands2reason
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To: AGreatPer
name one other country that has consistently remained behind us more than Canada?

The U.K.

20 posted on 12/03/2002 6:58:32 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: mitchbert
They must also accept responsibility for William Shatner.
21 posted on 12/03/2002 6:59:46 PM PST by The Iguana
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To: The Iguana
LOL. Let's get the easy ones out of the way first :)
22 posted on 12/03/2002 7:03:10 PM PST by mitchbert
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To: quidnunc
It would be impossible to invade Canada. They would just invite us in and offer tea.
23 posted on 12/03/2002 7:14:43 PM PST by CharacterCounts
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To: quidnunc
Let's lay off Canada for a while. They just lost their Air Force today when it flew into an elk.
24 posted on 12/03/2002 7:19:37 PM PST by Barnacle
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To: CharacterCounts
It would be impossible to invade Canada. They would just invite us in and offer tea.

Ha! And in Montreal, where I travel on occassion, the French would take you to a nice restaurant for a three hour dinner and good wine, and proceed to TALK about the proper way for OTHERS, such as the US, to fight the war against terrorism...

25 posted on 12/03/2002 7:23:46 PM PST by Enlightiator
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To: The Iguana
They must also accept responsibility for William Shatner.

May an un-cloaked Bird of Prey fly up your left nostril.

May your warp core develop serious coolant leaks.

May a hoard of tribbles populate your bathroom.

Other than that, Happy Holidays!

LVM

26 posted on 12/03/2002 7:38:14 PM PST by LasVegasMac
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To: quidnunc
I have worked with a long list of Canadians throughout most of my career, and I like them, and as working buddies would put them up against anyone, anytime. Too bad their pols are such losers.

But I have lost a lot of my judgementalism since we Re-elected Clinton. The first time I wrote off as a Perot-concocted fluke. But the second time, I was just embarrassed.

And to think we only missed Gore by about a hundred votes. This country is teetering on the brink of going the way Canada went. But if we do, it won't be pretty. Just like some people can hold their liquor and still sit upright, Canadians manage to endure their socialist misrule and enforced conformism with some dignity. We would be the other kind, the sloppy, drunken, embarrassing socialists, bellowing and wetting ourselves, with no sense of limits or proportion.
27 posted on 12/03/2002 7:40:08 PM PST by marron
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To: quidnunc

28 posted on 12/03/2002 8:00:47 PM PST by watcher1
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To: mitchbert
90% of Canadians live within 100 miles of the US border.
29 posted on 12/03/2002 8:08:22 PM PST by donmeaker
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To: stands2reason
Don't the French always come up with their own word/expressions so they
don't use the American version like the rest of the world does?
And don't you see that this is just another excuse to post this...

Canadians Want to Rule the Earth

Evil Canadians

31 posted on 12/03/2002 8:17:37 PM PST by babaloo999
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32 posted on 12/03/2002 8:17:43 PM PST by watcher1
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To: rogue yam
"England and Australia

OK. Ok, agreed, but really, England is a division of Canada. They only think they rule them. And Australia is an Englend wanna bee.

33 posted on 12/03/2002 8:22:52 PM PST by AGreatPer
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To: Rye
Rye: Check Post #33.
34 posted on 12/03/2002 8:24:29 PM PST by AGreatPer
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To: STD
bump...eh
35 posted on 12/03/2002 8:25:39 PM PST by watcher1
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To: quidnunc
canada is a very good neighbor.
36 posted on 12/03/2002 8:54:05 PM PST by aSkeptic
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To: Barnacle
They just lost their Air Force today when it flew into an elk.

I'm still laughing.

38 posted on 12/03/2002 9:38:22 PM PST by zeugma
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To: zeugma
Did you know that Canada has an Army? It happened so fast but between training Americans I had a Canadian class and they were one of the best I had. It was almost as if they were they best in Canada. Well let me tell you. They were great.

BTW, my training is not outdoors. All I can say is "computer". Nough said.

39 posted on 12/03/2002 10:40:25 PM PST by AGreatPer
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To: mitchbert
Most Canadians that I have meet are wonderful people.

Most French Canadians I have meet are first class arrogant a$$holes. When they move down here, they become even more arrogant and intolerable. Everyone of them needs to be sent back to Quebec to rid this country of vermin.
40 posted on 12/03/2002 11:05:45 PM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: Barnacle
Actually, I heard that it flew up the a$$ of a moose.
41 posted on 12/03/2002 11:07:04 PM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: donmeaker
90% of Canadians live within 100 miles of the US border.

Thanks for that. That was the figure in my head but I didn't have anything to verify it handy so I went wide. I'd rather take it on the chin around here for underestimating :-)

42 posted on 12/04/2002 6:44:48 AM PST by mitchbert
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To: Judge Holden
You mean the mighty Israeli soldiers that fought with us in Vietnam, uh Korea, somewhere else? The only military action I can think of is when they bombed one of our ships and intentionally killed American sailors. Besides that they have made enemies for us in the entire Arab world. And spied on us too. Yeah, they have done a lot for us.

That's right! If it weren't for the Jews the WTC would still be standing..... < / sarcasm >

43 posted on 12/04/2002 8:07:32 PM PST by freebilly
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To: Judge Holden
Amazing..., I've yet to meet a francophile who wasn't anti-semitic.
44 posted on 12/04/2002 8:13:19 PM PST by freebilly
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To: mitchbert
Just wondering mitch if anyone ever figured out how many Americans live within 100 miles of the border.
45 posted on 12/04/2002 8:13:40 PM PST by Snowyman
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To: Snowyman
Interesting question, and no, I've never seen any estimate. Obviously it's nowhere near the proportion of Canucks but let's pull out the handy map here...

Starting at the East coast and moving westward, major cities (population roughly 100,000 or greater...I'm inevitably going to miss some here) within (approximately) 100 miles as the eagle flies from the standard representation of the Canada/U.S. border:

Starting in Maine: Portland, Burlington, Utica, Syracuse, Rochester, Buffalo, Erie, Youngstown, Cleveland, Toledo, Detroit, Bay City, Duluth, Grand Forks, Fargo, Spokane, Tacoma and Seattle.

Basically several million East of where the western border of Ontario meets Minnjisota at Lake of the Woods and then relatively few until you hit Washington.

Interesting. Thanks for the question!

46 posted on 12/05/2002 6:41:09 AM PST by mitchbert
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