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Caption - Palestinian Funeral in Gaza - Mustafa Sabah
Yahoo News Photos ^ | 12/5/02 | Reuters

Posted on 12/05/2002 9:11:00 AM PST by NormsRevenge

A masked Palestinian gunman holds a handmade rocket launcher in Gaza during the funeral of Mustafa Sabah, who was killed by an Israeli air strike, December 5, 2002. Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has approved plans that would seal off northern Israel from the West Bank by extending a security fence to defend against Palestinian attacks, government officials said.  (Oleg Popov/Reuters)
Thu Dec 5, 7:33 AM ET

A masked Palestinian gunman holds a handmade rocket launcher in Gaza during the funeral of Mustafa Sabah, who was killed by an Israeli air strike, December 5, 2002. Prime Minister Ariel Sharon (news - web sites) has approved plans that would seal off northern Israel from the West Bank by extending a security fence to defend against Palestinian attacks, government officials said. (Oleg Popov/Reuters)


TOPICS: Israel; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: gaza; mustafa
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To: PeopleKillPeople
You say you avoided history and politics. That must be the reason for your views. You should really educate yourself on this stuff, and in a fair way (not just swallowing the CNN rubbish you seem to be repeating). Read some good authors. You've already had recommendations from other posters. Read Bernard Lewis, too.
101 posted on 12/05/2002 11:55:31 AM PST by Inkie
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To: Inkie
No no -- I was the one avoided history and politics -- and being on FR is one way that I am educating myself

103 posted on 12/05/2002 11:58:19 AM PST by twyn1
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To: PeopleKillPeople
Saying you're a blue=eyed whit guy from Indiana doesn't really mean it's true -- I could say I am really Julia Roberts, couldn't I ?

As for the Native Americans fighting an insurrection to recover America (sounds interesting, but unfortunately there's only about 35 left in my tribe -- maybe we should have tried earlier ?) -- isn't this what the Palestinians are doing ? They say they are fighting to reclaim land that they claim is historically theirs (whether this is true is in dispute) but which was lost in a war that the Arabs started -- why should Israel be obligated to give this land back ?

105 posted on 12/05/2002 12:03:45 PM PST by twyn1
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To: PeopleKillPeople
Did you know that Jews in the Middle East were treated better than Jews in Europe for hundreds of years? Islam was more accepting of Judaism than Middle Ages Christianity.

Christianity has pulled itself out of the Middle Ages. Maybe you should pull your head out of your rear end.

107 posted on 12/05/2002 12:11:44 PM PST by Alouette
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To: PeopleKillPeople
Did you know that Jews in the Middle East were treated better than Jews in Europe for hundreds of years

You aren't refering to dhimmis are you ? I guess that could be viewed as "more tolerant" -- considering Jews were being killed outright or forced to convert (thru' torture) elsewhere

108 posted on 12/05/2002 12:11:47 PM PST by twyn1
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To: NormsRevenge
Obituary:

A pre-funeral procession will be held today for Mustafa Sabah. The family asks that in lieu of flowers, attendees bring missile launchers. Thank you.

111 posted on 12/05/2002 12:16:21 PM PST by mass55th
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To: PeopleKillPeople
"I see a group of people who have had their asses kicked for 35 years."

Yeah, and most of the kicking has come from the rest of the Arab world who refuses to acknowledge or accept Palestinians. You can expect an ass kicking when your own kind doesn't even want you.

112 posted on 12/05/2002 12:19:06 PM PST by mass55th
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To: The Ghost of Richard Nixon
That question was way too easy -- even I knew that one and I am -- a)from Penna. b) hate basketball, esp. college basketball
117 posted on 12/05/2002 12:32:18 PM PST by twyn1
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To: PeopleKillPeople
Who does Gaza belong to? or the Sinai? and why would anyone want that land?

Bottomline --- The Arabs want the jewel of the Middle East, Jerusalem .. without the Jews. And shocker or shockers ... It IS a religion thing.

This whole discussion started off with me wondering whether people thought ..

(1.)Israel would go apartheid, ... Ohhh PLease!

(2.)force out the Arabs from within its borders to maintain democracy or ... That may be prudent if attacks accelerate or don't eventually cease

(3.)settle with Arafat. He is irrelevant... Dead but the body hasn;t fallen yet.

119 posted on 12/05/2002 12:37:00 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: PeopleKillPeople
ah shucks --high school-college -- same thing, eh ? -- all I know is that a game where it takes half an hour to play the last 2 minutes is not for me !
121 posted on 12/05/2002 12:52:09 PM PST by twyn1
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To: PeopleKillPeople
yeah -- exactly -- what a yawn ! -- see we agree on that too :)
123 posted on 12/05/2002 1:03:03 PM PST by twyn1
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To: PeopleKillPeople
Arafat is dead. Move on. Even Barghouti denounces him. He is the poster boy for the UN. Terror, Inc.

Re: the demographic shift you see coming; The Jews would be prudent to use "bulldozing" on the poor, oppressed Palis. That the arab-israeli population would also have to be moved out is not necessarily going to happen. I believe many arabs would relish living in peace and ending the hostilities but

I just don;t think a timeframe exists where that can happen.

We are dangling on the edge of the fulfillment of the Book of Revelations. That may help you set your filter when I attempt to convey my beliefs in these matters.

I am not even going to pretend to be an expert on anything at all, all I know is what I see coming. All the rest of this stuff about settlements, intifada, attacks will fall to the wayside soon for this peace. Beware of this temporary peace.. you allude to that being what you want to see.

It moves us one step closer to the revealment of mysteries that have dogged mankind for thousands of years.
124 posted on 12/05/2002 1:04:28 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: PeopleKillPeople
The question has always been... Why the Jews?

Someday soon, we all may know. In the mean time, we must do the best we can and pray that the terrorists are caught and eliminated. Comparing the plight of the Palestinian people with what the Jews have suffered, irregardless of the events of the Middle Ages, it still does not match the Diaspora. The Birth of Israel and the restoral of Jerusalem to Jewish ownership are. Of course, the Arabs forget who was there before them, and now is back again making the deserts bloom.

Thanks for the exchange. We'll see if Israel goes for Mitzna or keeps Sharon. Then, we'll know which way the wind is blowing.

I don;t think the old Israelis would want to deal with the PLA or PLO or Hamas or Hezbollah. Maybe the Arab-Israelis would. They can;t breed fast enough is my point. They sacrifice their young in the pursuit of false dreams and following corrupt leaders.

Later..
127 posted on 12/05/2002 1:24:43 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
Left off a piece ..

The Birth of Israel and the restoral of Jerusalem to Jewish ownership are... significant biblical events.
128 posted on 12/05/2002 1:26:30 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: PeopleKillPeople
OK -- just think to yourself what you see now. You see an Israel where Muslims and Christians live there, have all the same rights as Jews and serve in the government, etc. You see any Arab country -- take your pick -- where Jews and Christians are not allowed (Judenfrei in Hitler lingo). Which country is democratic? Which ones aren't? You have to use your common sense here. You cannot take a moral-equivalence position. One culture celebrates life, the other death. One society severely punishes those who transgress against others. One society celebrates these people and rewards their families with thousands of dollars -- a lot of money over there.

The Palestinians were not kicked out of anywhere, as others have posted. They are in camps 50 years later because it suited Arab countries to keep them there. Those that did not run away were invited to stay and be part of Israel (not to say that this was 100% accepted by all the Israelis, but it was the government position and strongly enforced by the government).

Not to denigrate your hard work in obtaining your degrees -- it is a feat. But think about campuses and the education you got. Full of post-modernist, moral-equivalent propaganda, which is fine except that it went totally unchallenged probably in an academic environment that was politically correct in the extreme. It is no wonder that you are thinking the way you do. You virtually have to re-educate yourself, and I say this as the mother of two sons who are doing the same, that is, reading widely the many intellectually supportable and clear views that contradict all the brainwashing they received from their professors. You will see which arguments hold water when you do this, and it's nice to see you express a willingness to read some of the books posters have recommended. That one by the woman who started out to write a pro-Palestinian view and ended up on the other side sounds like a good start. I think I'll get that one myself. It is so rare that authors with a certain ideology are open enough and intellectually honest enough to change their views when their research points in that direction.

Aloha

129 posted on 12/05/2002 1:40:34 PM PST by Inkie
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To: PeopleKillPeople
This is called a "caption thread"...you see, someone will post a picture and then fellow Freepers will post their original and humorous captions , it's fun --- lighten up.
130 posted on 12/07/2002 6:36:42 AM PST by oline
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To: NormsRevenge

A tragic story....

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Ronald McDonald buried in Jenin

JENIN, Israeli-0ccupied Palestine-December 8th. Palestinian Militants carry the dead body of Ronald McDonald to a pauper's grave outside of Jenin. McDonald, late of West Covina, California, had moved to the Palestinian refugee camp after the Israeli invasion in April. Shortly thereafter, he opened a McDonald's restaurant with a loan from a Saudi holding company.

Ronald McDonald in happier times

Palestinian sources indicated that McDonald had been denounced as an Israeli spy by Hamas militants who run a 7-11 Convenience Store in the neighborhood. McDonald was killed Thursday evening by two Palestinian assailants wielding a flamethrower and a white phosphorous grenade. One assailaint administered the "coup de gras" to Mr. McDonald's smoking corpse with what appears to be a round from a 9mm Makarov automatic pistol.

Palestinian Authority police were still investigating at last report.

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Be Seeing You,

Chris

131 posted on 12/07/2002 9:41:57 PM PST by section9
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To: section9
Stop! you're Killing me!@!
That guy with the giant crayon isn't that the Hamburgler?
132 posted on 12/07/2002 9:48:40 PM PST by tet68
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