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Goodbye Europe (Steyn Alert)
The American Enterprise Online ^ | 12/5/02 | Mark Seyn

Posted on 12/05/2002 3:15:51 PM PST by TomB

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"Surely the first time in Dutch political history that a fruitarian had killed a fruit Aryan."

Unbelievable. How does he do it?

1 posted on 12/05/2002 3:15:51 PM PST by TomB
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To: Pokey78
Another gem.
2 posted on 12/05/2002 3:17:20 PM PST by TomB
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To: knighthawk; dennisw; TomB

Welcome to EURABIA.


4 posted on 12/05/2002 3:22:49 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: TomB
In Holland, a militant vegan killed the flamboyant homosexual nativist Pim Fortuyn during the election campaign. Surely the first time in Dutch political history that a fruitarian had killed a fruit Aryan.

Absolutely, positively the Quote of the Week.

5 posted on 12/05/2002 3:25:54 PM PST by Illbay
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To: TomB
"Surely the first time in Dutch political history that a fruitarian had killed a fruit Aryan."

Unbelievable. How does he do it?

I almost gagged laughing it this myself.

6 posted on 12/05/2002 3:25:57 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: TomB
I've argued with Canadians and Europeans on-line who are more afraid of Bush and the "Christian Right" than they are of radical Islam. This piece should be required reading for those people. But as Steyn points out, "Almost any issue worth talking about has been ruled taboo." Those allegedly super-smart Europeans are committing cultural suicide, they are throwing everything away, and they simply haven't a clue what awaits them.
7 posted on 12/05/2002 3:26:43 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: scholar; Bullish
Ping
8 posted on 12/05/2002 3:27:04 PM PST by knighthawk
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To: TomB
Continental voters, faced with a choice between Eurodee and Eurodum, have been turning elsewhere

Great description of the EU.

A collapsed birthrate, accelerating immigration, lavish welfare, an evasive political culture, phony transnational structures: For Europe, this is the Perfect Storm.

When people don't feel positive about the future, they are less likely to have children. Unless Europe pulls itself out of the destructive spiral of socialism, these trends will not only continue they will accelerate.

9 posted on 12/05/2002 3:28:20 PM PST by Badger1
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To: TomB
I'm sending this quote to all my friends! :-) I'm also going to Holland next year, where I'll close my eyes to everything but the tulip festival and the art museums!
10 posted on 12/05/2002 3:28:58 PM PST by Tax-chick
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To: TomB
DO NOT - ever - eat while reading a Mark Steyn column, or you will be cleaning your monitor after you start belly-laughing...
11 posted on 12/05/2002 3:30:40 PM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: Travis McGee
Today we took another step towards the Islamic Republic of the Netherlands.

Today we celebrate Sinterklaas, it's a festivity for children (the guy was saint). But today also was the sugarfest, the end of ramadan. So in 25% of the schools in the Randstad (the Rotterdam-Amsterdam-Utrecht area) put Sinterklaas on another day, and celebrated sugaerfest instead. And in some schools they removed the cross from the headgear of Sinterklaas, because 'some people could take a cross as an offense'.

And this from the same people (the apologists) who claim that islam is a tolerant religion.
12 posted on 12/05/2002 3:32:31 PM PST by knighthawk
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To: TomB
It's a recurring theme in the Bible that when people abandon God, they lose their political freedom. I think over the next few decades, Europe will (again) see how true that is. People who can't learn from the Hitler experience are probably unteachable. Traditional religious belief is much stronger in the U.S.A, and I think that is one factor that makes us take the Islamic threat more seriously.
13 posted on 12/05/2002 3:33:51 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: TomB
sleepwalking its way to suicide

Man! Does Steyn have a gift for wordsmithing!!!

14 posted on 12/05/2002 3:35:08 PM PST by America's Resolve
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To: Pokey78
ping!
15 posted on 12/05/2002 3:42:44 PM PST by BullDog108
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To: TomB
Bump for another great Steyn piece.
16 posted on 12/05/2002 3:47:29 PM PST by Guillermo
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Surely the first time in Dutch political history that a fruitarian had killed a fruit Aryan.

Oh my goodness, that has to be a candidate for Quote Of The Year.

17 posted on 12/05/2002 3:56:28 PM PST by Dr.Deth
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I'll close my eyes to everything but the tulip festival and the art museums!

I wonder how long it will be before that infidel art is destroyed by Islamists?

18 posted on 12/05/2002 4:17:29 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: TomB
A collapsed birthrate, accelerating immigration, lavish welfare, an evasive political culture, phony transnational structures: For Europe, this is the Perfect Storm.

I swear, if I didn't know Steyn was talking about Europe, I would have thought he was talking about the United States!!

19 posted on 12/05/2002 4:37:54 PM PST by Gritty
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To: aruanan; wimpycat; discostu; PeaceBeWithYou; RadioAstronomer
A little intentional silliness (with serious commentary woven in) as opposed to the unintentional silliness of our friend.
20 posted on 12/05/2002 4:46:53 PM PST by TomB
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To: Gritty
So,in about a generation or so Europe will be Muslim controlled, and we will be at war with stronger Islamist.
21 posted on 12/05/2002 4:55:23 PM PST by centurion
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To: Paleo Conservative
I hear a voice asking this question from about 800 A.D. in Constantinople!
22 posted on 12/05/2002 5:11:38 PM PST by Tax-chick
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To: centurion
So,in about a generation or so Europe will be Muslim controlled, and we will be at war with stronger Islamists.

If they stay true to form, they will plunder Europe and leave it a devastated wasteland. There may be more of them, but they won't be any stronger.

23 posted on 12/05/2002 5:16:10 PM PST by Loyalist
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To: Steve_Seattle
Traditional religious belief is much stronger in the U.S.A, and I think that is one factor that makes us take the Islamic threat more seriously.

Traditional religious belief may very well be one factor. But it isn't the only factor.

Our form of government which allows for different parties to hold the White House and the Congress is also one of those factors. It's held us closer to the middle than the European parliamentary systems have.

With the western shift to socialistic thinking (and we are certainly not immune to it here) we'd probably have gone down the same road as the Euros and the Canadians had we been left with a parliament instead of the Constitution.

You religious types wish to forget that many of us on the right are not religious at all -- we're here, though. And I guess we help each other.

24 posted on 12/05/2002 5:27:01 PM PST by BfloGuy
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To: TomB
A man fell off a 100-story building. At the 50th floor, someone called out a window, "How's it going?" The falling man replied, "So far, so good."

In Western Europe, "So far, so good."

Sell your Euros.

25 posted on 12/05/2002 5:43:52 PM PST by Rocky
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To: TomB
"Surely the first time in Dutch political history that a fruitarian had killed a fruit Aryan."

Pretty succinct.
26 posted on 12/05/2002 5:46:52 PM PST by aruanan
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To: knighthawk
When will the Dutch begin to fight for national survival?

Is the very idea of defending your culture now taboo?

27 posted on 12/05/2002 6:06:26 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: knighthawk
So in 25% of the schools in the Randstad (the Rotterdam-Amsterdam-Utrecht area) put Sinterklaas on another day, and celebrated sugaerfest instead. And in some schools they removed the cross from the headgear of Sinterklaas, because 'some people could take a cross as an offense'.

Stunning news. Frightening, even.

The Dutch are forgetting who they are. Some, anyway.

Or they are not proud of who they are. Which is the same thing.

Not to say that we don't have the same problem in the United States.

This from a doughty little country that colonized almost a third of the known world, using small, round-bottomed boats...

28 posted on 12/05/2002 6:17:02 PM PST by okie01
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To: centurion
So,in about a generation or so Europe will be Muslim controlled, and we will be at war with stronger Islamist.

They will be a bunch of welfare raised uneducated walking dead living in a new Dark age and no threat to anyone but themselves . If the Middle East didn't have oil for $$$$ they would be back in the cave man era.
And Europe has no natural resources outside of Russia . And even if they did who the hell is going to set up the means of production, this bunch of rag headed parasitic rabble
29 posted on 12/05/2002 7:13:27 PM PST by uncbob
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I agree, by that point, if all goes well, the United States will be so military and economically powerful that no group of European weaklings will constitute a threat. With any amount of luck, we will have instituted military and trading agreements with countries that will really count, i.e., India, Turkey, Isreal, Russia, and, if things fall into place, economically strong Latin American states. Who will need Europe at that point in history?

I suppose that I can just kiss off my modest investment in a European stock fund, made eight years ago, when I didn't know any better.

The caveat, of course, is that we don't make the same mistake that Europe is in the process of doing: destroying our national identity.

30 posted on 12/05/2002 8:38:43 PM PST by OldPossum
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When will the Dutch begin to fight for national survival?

Is the very idea of defending your culture now taboo?

Not if you're a Muslim...

31 posted on 12/05/2002 8:49:29 PM PST by copycat
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To: Steve_Seattle
"I've argued with Canadians and Europeans on-line who are more afraid of Bush and the "Christian Right" than they are of radical Islam. This piece should be required reading for those people. But as Steyn points out, "Almost any issue worth talking about has been ruled taboo." Those allegedly super-smart Europeans are committing cultural suicide, they are throwing everything away, and they simply haven't a clue what awaits them."

So true...and the Democratic Socialists in this nation seem to think these nations are a good model. (Remember how often we heard "the Europeans are laughing at us for making such a big deal out of having a sleazeball like Clinton defiling the Oval Office"?)

This nation didn't become great by following any other nation's lead.

As for your point about their being more afraid of Bush and the "Christian Right", such witness to the fact that this is the Truth that the Deceiver does not want those he is leading astray to discover is seen all the time. One can have lengthy cocktail party discourse on the various aspects of Buddhism, or Islam or Hinduism or any world religion, but mention the name of Christ and people start getting "offended". It's a phenomenon that is fascinating to hear people, such as myself, talk about the experience of having been blind members of the wrong army in the continuing spiritual warfare that most in the world have no idea we all are active participants in and have the blinders fall away.

Changed lives!...the only tangible proof of the Truth of the Bible and God's wonderful plan of salvation...PRAISE GOD!

32 posted on 12/05/2002 9:26:09 PM PST by intolerancewillNOTbetolerated
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To: TomB
When they are in the majority, they will burn the museums and art galleries. They will blow up the medieval cathedrals, baroque churches, the Sistine Chapel, and Saint Peter's.
33 posted on 12/06/2002 2:09:53 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Nogbad
Bump
34 posted on 12/06/2002 2:10:57 AM PST by Nogbad
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It has been for quite a while.

Years ago if you were wearing an Dutch-army jacket, with a tiny flag on your sleeve, you could be dragged into court, because it offended people! It became big news, and a journalist asked that how it was possible Turkish youths could wear leahter jackets with huge Turkish-symbols on the back, some were even Gray Wolves symblos, the extremist Turkish organization (still not banned in the Netherlands).

We are lost. Some are trying to stand, but the AEL wants to become big in the Netherlands. A Dutch version of the riots in Antwerp is not too far away.
35 posted on 12/06/2002 3:30:08 PM PST by knighthawk
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We lost our will to fight centuries ago. The Dutch used to rule the waves. We fought the Spanish and even won sometimes.

But socialist/liberals wrecked the place.
36 posted on 12/06/2002 3:31:40 PM PST by knighthawk
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To: knighthawk
You Europeans need to give power back to your royal houses IMHO as soon as you became Democratic everything went to hell.
37 posted on 12/06/2002 3:57:23 PM PST by weikel
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To: TomB
Ping for later read. But I've sent the "fruit Aryan" thing to everybody I know!
38 posted on 12/06/2002 4:05:24 PM PST by livius
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To: TomB
BTTT
39 posted on 12/06/2002 6:29:11 PM PST by MoJo2001
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To: TomB
Thanks Tom!


41 posted on 12/10/2002 11:37:05 AM PST by Pokey78
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To: TomB
In the advanced technocratic Euro-state, almost any issue worth talking about has been ruled taboo.

We’re not far behind on that front.

Great, great article.

The Eurinals are doomed.

43 posted on 12/10/2002 11:38:51 AM PST by dead
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To: knighthawk
Today we took another step towards the Islamic Republic of the Netherlands.

It may have been another step, but not towards an islamic republic. More like another step towards a violent confrontation after which islam will again be purged from the continent, IMO.

There is time to settle things peaceably, provided the multiculturalists are stifled and sensible policies enacted. But if pushed far enough, western man will eventually have had enough and push back.

44 posted on 12/10/2002 12:16:06 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Travis McGee
The Dutch are faced with an insurmountable obstacle, that of Being White. They may be damned tall, but they are most definitely very white. This condition precludes them from mustering any organized defense of their culture.

I've told a few people in the last year that, if they want to go visit Europe as they think it is, they better hurry it up. Been a few years since I was over there, and already it was like walking through the ME/NAfrica in many cities.
45 posted on 12/10/2002 12:24:38 PM PST by Semaphore Heathcliffe
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To: Semaphore Heathcliffe
Indeed.
46 posted on 12/10/2002 12:47:46 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: MadIvan
You have probably read this Ivan...but wanted to be sure...an excellent article.

Cheers from Chile
47 posted on 12/10/2002 12:55:56 PM PST by Cuttnhorse
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To: Cuttnhorse
You have probably read this Ivan...but wanted to be sure...an excellent article.

I have to agree with Steyn - the Continent is an absolute mess - Britain will only gain if we move far away from anything they want.

If we move away, we'll be all right. If we tie our future to them, i.e., join the Euro, we'll be dead.

Regards, Ivan

48 posted on 12/10/2002 1:00:38 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: Cuttnhorse
BTT
49 posted on 12/11/2002 3:49:38 AM PST by Cuttnhorse
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In Holland, a militant vegan killed the flamboyant homosexual nativist Pim Fortuyn during the election campaign.

Surely the first time in Dutch political history that a fruitarian had killed a fruit Aryan. - Mark Steyn

Absolutely, positively the Quote of the Week. - Illbay

Quote of the Day ping!
50 posted on 12/11/2002 4:04:36 AM PST by RonDog
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