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Bush praises Islam for its 'morality'
THE WASHINGTON TIMES ^ | Dec 6, 2002 | Bill Sammon

Posted on 12/06/2002 12:33:51 PM PST by robowombat

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1 posted on 12/06/2002 12:33:51 PM PST by robowombat
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Yes, it should.
2 posted on 12/06/2002 12:35:40 PM PST by Bikers4Bush
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Why are we continuing this charade? Our modern P.C. sensibilities will be the death of us all...
3 posted on 12/06/2002 12:39:00 PM PST by Loyolas Mattman
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To: robowombat
Here is some of Islamic / Mohammed morality:

* Mohammed is estimated by scholars to have had somewhere between 15-25 wives. All agree that he had 9 wives at the time of his death (5 more than the Quran permits for other Muslims)!

* He died at age 63 in the home of Aisha, his favorite wife, and was buried on the spot where he died in Medina.

* Earlier, he fell in love with Zeinab, his cousin, and wife of his adopted son Zeid. He then received a "revelation" from Allah that it was permissible to marry the wife of an adopted son. Zeid divorced Zeinab so that Mohammed could marry her.

Sources: Ernest Kellett, A Short History of Religions. New York: Books for Libraries Press, 1971, P. 343, and Washington Irving, Life of Mahomet. New York: Dutton & Sons, 1911, p. 231.

* On his deathbed, Mohammed said: "Do not fear those who disbelieve, fear me" and called for the conquest of Christianity.

Source, Essad Bey, Mohammed. New York: Longmans, Green & Co., 1936, p. 330.

6 posted on 12/06/2002 12:44:50 PM PST by KriegerGeist
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To: Bonapartist
Islamic society used to be far more advanced than Christian society, so when Bush praises it as having many great achievements, he is correct.

Yeah, I use the number 0 a lot...like when I add up the believability quotient of most leftist leaders. :)

7 posted on 12/06/2002 12:47:59 PM PST by CanisMajor2002
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To: robowombat
Posted and discussed here.
8 posted on 12/06/2002 12:49:27 PM PST by Consort
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To: robowombat
Do the polls in Saudia Arabia NOW suggest that Americans aren't so bad afterall? McDonalds should be safe now, especially since the Prez took off his shoes.
9 posted on 12/06/2002 12:52:50 PM PST by rovenstinez
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To: robowombat
This is the Islamic Center directly connected to the Saudi Government as follows:

http://www.saudiembassy.net/Consulate/regulations.htm

5. Islamic marriage certificates and the Islamic declaration certificates [“Al-Shahada”] needed for a Saudi Arabian marriage to a foreign wife must first be authenticated by an Islamic center of the respective county or state and then by:

The Islamic Center
2551 Massachusetts Ave, N.W.
Washington DC 20008
tel (202)332-8343

And then by:
The Royal Embassy of Saudi Arabia
Consular Section
601 New Hampshire Ave. N.W.
Washington DC 20037

But if you do choose to have your marriage "authenticated" by the Saudis, you must realize that the children are not yours, and can be kidnapped to Saudi Arabia at will, never to return.

10 posted on 12/06/2002 12:54:11 PM PST by Uncle Miltie
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"He's made it very clear that the war on terrorism is not a war about religion. It's a war about good vs. evil."

Quite right. Only 75% of Arabs oppose our war on terrorism (per Pew). Three quarters evil, one quarter good. No religion involved.

11 posted on 12/06/2002 12:56:26 PM PST by Uncle Miltie
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"Millions of our fellow Americans practice the Muslim faith," said Mr. Bush, a born-again Christian.

"And I'm happy that they're still just practicing," though the President, "because when they get real good at it, we're gonna have us a Texas-sized problem."

12 posted on 12/06/2002 12:56:36 PM PST by Sender
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"Islam affirms God's justice"

I believe Bush was making a prophetic statement here. Before all this is over, our conflict with them will indeed prove that God is a just God. FNC interviewed Mansoor Ijaz about this speech yesterday. It was great. He said that this makes President Bush the voice of Moslem moderation in this country, which should come from a Moslem voice (he was praising the president). The other guest was left sputtering in anger. I think this president knows exactly what he is doing!

13 posted on 12/06/2002 12:57:15 PM PST by twigs
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To: Bonapartist
Here is some more Islamic / Muhammad's morality:

Marriage to Six-Year Old

In 624 Abu Bakr (Muhammad’s daily companion and one of his first believers and successor of Muhammad) gave Muhammad his daughter Aisha when she was six years old, although the actual marriage was not consummated until she was nine. This fact is uncontested by all Muslim scholars and chroniclers without exception). At the time of their marriage Muhammad was 54 years old (the age of her grandfather) – a difference of 45 years in their ages.

Aisha herself testified to these facts:

“The messenger of God betrothed me when I was six years old and then married me when I was nine years old.”

Source: Sahih Muslim (by Imam al-Mawawy), vol. 3, p. 577.

Islamic law has codified this principle of non-consent for under-age women based on Muhammad’s precedent:

“A father may give consent to have his young virgin daughter married without obtaining her permission, for she does not have a choice, exactly as Abu Bakr El Sadiq did to his daughter Aisha, when she was six years old. He married her to the prophet Muhammad without her permission.”

Source: Ibn Hazam (acknowledged by all Muslims as one of the greatest scholars on Islamic Law) in his al-Muhalla (“The Sweetened”). Vol. 6, part 9, pp. 458-460.

Abd El Schafi, author of Behind the Veil stated in response: “These are cruel, hard words and iniquitous Islamic principles which the free human conscience utterly rejects and detests because it is related to the most important subject in the girl’s life, that is, her body and her future” (p. 83).

Polygamy, Concubines, and Mistresses in Islam

“No one is allowed to wed more than four women, but he is permitted however, in addition to them, to buy (women), as many as he wants.”

Source: Ibn Hazam, vol. 6, part 9, pp. 441, 467.

However, exceptions were made for the Prophet and his successors:

Muhammad had 11 wives and an Egyptian concubine Umar Ibn al-Khattab had 7 wives plus 2 maid-salves

Uthman Ibn Affan had 8 wives

Ali Ibn Abi Talib (cousin of Muhammad) married 10 women plus 10 concubines and maid-slaves for a total of 29

Al-Hasan Ibn Ali (grandson of Muhammad and called by the Prophet “the master of the youth of Paradise”) married 70 women (and was said to sometimes divorce two women in a day!).

Sources: Biographies such as Ibn Kathir’s, Bidaya and the Nihaya, vol. 7 & 8, and Suyuti’s, Chonicles of the Caliphs.

Marriage to wives of men killed by Muslims, including the murder of Jews

It was standard practice, and made legal by Muhammad, to take as a “wife” in addition to captives, the wives of men killed in battle (or executed). On one occasion when Muhammad launched an attack on a Jewish tribe he personally witnessed their beheading and then took some of their widows to bed. Semitic scholar and historian A.B. Davidson (a professor at New College, Edinburgh) recorded one such instance:

“On one day he caused 800 Jews to be beheaded in cold blood, himself standing by and watching the butchery; and in the evening, to efface the unpleasant impression from his mind, and give a more happy turn to his ideas, he took home the wife of one of the murdered chiefs, and added her to his harem.”

Source: A.B. Davidson, Biblical and Literary Essays, ed. J.A. Peterson (London: Hodder & Stroughton, 1902), p. 228.

Sexual License in Islam – The Temporary Contractual Marriage

According to all Muslim scholars (especially in Sahih Muslim) the temporary, contractual marriage was made lawful by Muhammad simply to satisfy the sexual passions of his soldiers. The “marriage” only had to last 3 days, after which the woman could be deserted and left without any rights. Only the fact that it is temporary a “marriage” separates it from outright fornication and adultery (forbidden in Islam), but there is practically no difference. It was practiced during the beginning of the Islamic era (during the caliphates of Abu Bakr and Ibn Abu ‘Umar) and is continued in practice today by over 100 million Shi’ite Muslims worldwide.

Concerning this practice the following Islamic authority states:

“While in the army, Allah’s Apostle came to us and said, ‘You have been allowed to have Muta (“pleasure”), so do it.’ If a man and a woman agree to marry temporarily, their marriage should last for three nights …”

Source: Sahih al-Bukbari, part 7, p. 37.

14 posted on 12/06/2002 12:57:27 PM PST by KriegerGeist
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15 posted on 12/06/2002 12:59:28 PM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: twigs
I've been watching Mr. Ijaz ever since 9/11/01, and I continue to be impressed by his clarity, courage, and style. But I am still wary, as someone who dresses that well and slicks his hair back so carefully must have a hidden agenda . . .

He has made some amazingly prescient comments about Al Qaida and the Islamofascists, so I make a point to stop and listen to him. But I wonder . . .

16 posted on 12/06/2002 1:04:13 PM PST by Remole
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To: robowombat
Let's all pray that President Bush gets a real wake-up call on Islam. It's one area where he's really seems stubborn.
17 posted on 12/06/2002 1:06:28 PM PST by No dems 2002
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inspiring "countless individuals to lead lives of honesty, integrity, and morality."

Indeed, I have not been able to count any. They are truly countless...

18 posted on 12/06/2002 1:08:44 PM PST by American in Israel
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To: Remole
I agree with your assessment. I'm inclined to believe him, but I too am always wary. I found a very interesting article about him when I began to wonder about him several weeks ago. He grew up in the same area I did--SW VA. His southern accent is detectable. The one thing I found interesting is that his father (a professor at VA Tech) went to Saudi Arabia for several years in the early 80s and seemed to return much the poorer. At that point, he pressed Mansoor into service providing for the family finances. His background was in engineering of some type I believe. Nuclear maybe? I do find that Saudi Arabia stint interesting and potentially disturbing. I believe Mansoor was born in Pakistan. Someone else may know for sure.

Always keep my eyes open; trust but verify!!

19 posted on 12/06/2002 1:21:27 PM PST by twigs
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To: robowombat
Even if Islam could inspire them to lead "relatively" moral lives, which nobody except Bush and Powell really believes anyway, there remains a fundamental problem.

Our morality is not judged on a bell curve of human morality where Hitler and Mother Theresa form the extremes and if you are better than Joe Normal you are ok.

Instead we are judged by a God who, unlike Allah, is perfect, Holy, sinless. And He has already judged all of us and found us all sinful.

Islam condemns it's followers to death because it dismisses the only solution to sin, which is to be forgiven through the substitution of God's sacrificial lamb, Jesus.

In that regard Islam is just a more violent version of all of the other world's non-JudeoChristian religions that con man into thinking that man can earn his way to heaven if he is just good enough.



20 posted on 12/06/2002 1:22:19 PM PST by DannyTN
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