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Whitehouse Christmas Card
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Posted on 12/10/2002 1:11:05 AM PST by ricer1

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To: NY Catholic
If it were not for Christ...none of the other religions/holidays would even be celebrated.

I think you need to lie down.

101 posted on 12/10/2002 5:33:46 AM PST by steve-b
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To: Crawdad
If you happen to run into the gentleman, please convey for me my appreciation of his painting that was used for the card. The detail was so painstakingly created that I first thought it was a photograph. My daughter is an art major, and pointed out to me the excellence of both the composition and the use of light in the painting.

He should be very proud, as should all Georgians.

102 posted on 12/10/2002 5:35:40 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: NY Catholic
What a joke not even a mention of Christ. GWB is way to concerned what people the PC world thinks.

Yea, I'll bet Jesus is really pissed at 'ol GW.

Bet Jesus would have given these folks what-for back when he walked the Earth for not making his birthday a main event.

I think you miss the point.

GW lives it. He doesn't need to broadcast it to make it known. He's not a "Jesus spokesman", he is a walking, living Christian, not a frikkin billboard. Can someone walk up to you and say "I know you're a Christian by how you live your life" as they do to GW?

103 posted on 12/10/2002 5:36:38 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: AppyPappy
Please see my reply #94 - the more I study the Bush family, the more I am impressed by them. They have managed to place a billboard announcing Merry Christmas into this card and it was missed by all of us.
104 posted on 12/10/2002 5:36:59 AM PST by Ol' Sox
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To: NY Catholic
Christmas is the celebration of Jesus Christ's birth..the grand piano and a quote from the old testament does not suffice for this Catholic Christian not when my beliefs are attacked daily. Besides America is 90% Christian. It is a Joke.


I don't frequent Church but I do believe in God and I have accepted Jesus Christ as my savior. But what I don't quite understand this line of thinking. It's not like the President has never talked about God or Jesus in public in the past. The guy proclaimed Jesus Christ has his hero in a public politcal debate for goodness sake. A verse from the Bible, although from the Old Testament (BLASPHEMY! ), is included on the card. What more do you want from the guy? Would you rather have Gore as President and have the Manger scene on the White House Christmas Cards? SSSSSSEEEEEESSSSSHHHHH
105 posted on 12/10/2002 5:37:26 AM PST by Honcho
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To: NY Catholic
Perhaps you should move to a more religious country, say Iran or Egypt.
106 posted on 12/10/2002 5:37:35 AM PST by Redleg Duke
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To: NY Catholic
...Eisenhower and Coolidge's Christams card..they are better than a PIANO...

How are they better? Both cards show a secular nature. "Season's Greetings" is quite generic. You were complaining that Christ has been taken out of the White House Christmas cards. And yet, the history of the cards shows a long-standing practice. Not just invented by the present President.

107 posted on 12/10/2002 5:38:32 AM PST by Carolina
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To: Piltdown_Woman
Has anyone informed NY Catholic that Jesus, Mary and Joseph were really Jews?

I'll bet they never celebrated Christmas either.

108 posted on 12/10/2002 5:39:56 AM PST by Redleg Duke
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To: steve-b
What I mean is that Christmas celebration has prompted other Religions to be included out of a need to be be recognized at this time of year.
109 posted on 12/10/2002 5:40:36 AM PST by NY Catholic
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To: NY Catholic
If they were being PC they wouldn't have quoted a bible verse. Jeeeeeezzz.
110 posted on 12/10/2002 5:40:59 AM PST by Lee'sGhost
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To: NY Catholic
Sorry meant to post to Eisenhower and Coolidge's Christams card..they are better than a PIANO...

Puh-leeze. Sticking the Presidential seal and a generic (which is what started this foolishness in the first place) "Season's Greetings" on a card requires all the thoughtfulness and artistic talent of a chimpanzee.

111 posted on 12/10/2002 5:42:12 AM PST by steve-b
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To: NY Catholic
The President's job is leading this country, not converting it to a State Religion (and I am certain you believe it should be led out of the Vatican!).

The President and his lovely Wife are doing a fine job, witnessing for Christ by their conduct and sincerity. This is called the "Separation of Church and State". That it has been subverted into "Freedom From Religion" is more of an indictment of the single-issue conservatives that allow the liberals to gain too much power.

I'm not buying what you are selling, because God's Grace and Forgiveness isn't for sale! That is what Martin Luther discovered.

112 posted on 12/10/2002 5:44:16 AM PST by Redleg Duke
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
Very Well Stated!

And a very Merry Christmas to you and yours!

113 posted on 12/10/2002 5:45:19 AM PST by Redleg Duke
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Yes.
114 posted on 12/10/2002 5:46:05 AM PST by NY Catholic
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To: AppyPappy
It appears that you don't care who you drive away from Christianity, do you?

Is this "Conversion at the Point of a Bayonet?"

After looking at your sheet, I somehow think Christ would be uncomfortable around you. He probably wouldn't measure up either. Too forgiving. Too compassionate. Too loving.

115 posted on 12/10/2002 5:49:11 AM PST by Redleg Duke
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To: Carolina; NY Catholic
Hmmm, I see no mention of Jesus in his speech. Just something about a "quiet birth" in a small town. GWB is afraid to say Jesus.
116 posted on 12/10/2002 5:49:17 AM PST by oldvike
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To: steve-b
"Flor de Noche Buena"

The beautiful poinsettia, a Christmas tradition in nearly every American home during the holidays, was virtually unknown here until 1851. Dr. J.R. Poinsett, U.S. Ambassador to Mexico, brought this showy plant back to his home in South Carolina from south of the Rio Grande. He, never in his wildest dreams, could have predicted that the poinsettia would become the leading flowering potted plant grown in the United States. It even exceeded chrysanthemums and geraniums in recent production quantity studies. Paul Ecke Greenhouses in Encicitas, California leads the U.S. production of poinsettias, but hundreds of other growers help us beautify our homes, churches, and almost every other public building.

Legend tells us that the poinsettia, properly known as Euphorbia pulcherrima, came into being when a poor Mexican girl had no gift for the Christ child. As she walked to church on Christmas Eve, she was deeply saddened. Touched by an angel, she gathered twigs from along the roadside. She placed them at the altar and they miraculously turned into the magnificent red 'Flor de Noche Buena,' flower of the Holy Night.

Look on the sideboard behind the piano.

117 posted on 12/10/2002 5:49:20 AM PST by Ol' Sox
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To: Redleg Duke
Actually I think the Church is in trouble..and No I do not think the Vatican should lead a state Religion. One thing the Vatican does have right and the USA does not is Abortion..and the last I looked didnt GWB compromise on Stem Cell reserch on Aborted Fetus'?
118 posted on 12/10/2002 5:49:42 AM PST by NY Catholic
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To: NY Catholic
Card schmard,,,,instead of sitting here pissing and moaning about hurt feelings regarding the White House Christmas card, I think I 'd rather spend my time reflecting for a while on the families of those lost to the 9/11 criminal act against FREEDOM. I will also be spending some time remembering and thanking those all over the world who have stepped up to the plate and continue to defend America and Americans against our enemies, both foreign and domestic, and send them my prayers of thanks and comfort during this CHRISTMAS HOLIDAY season, while they separated from their loved ones.
119 posted on 12/10/2002 5:50:45 AM PST by Neets
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To: oldvike
I noticed that too...but I didnt want to start fighting. All I tried to point out is that Christianity is being attacked on all levels...maybe it has been always maybe not. My example with the Christmas caed was probably not the best to prove my point.
120 posted on 12/10/2002 5:51:33 AM PST by NY Catholic
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To: Honcho
The guy proclaimed Jesus Christ has his hero in a public politcal debate for goodness sake.

That was before his approval numbers were above 65%. Besides, he only said that to get the fundie vote.

121 posted on 12/10/2002 5:51:40 AM PST by oldvike
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To: AppyPappy
I do not presume to guess what God thinks. But he said "If you deny me, I will deny you".

Bears repeating..."But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in Heaven". Matthew 10:33



122 posted on 12/10/2002 5:51:43 AM PST by who knows what evil?
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To: NY Catholic
Chill out. It's a beautiful card. You have to be brain dead if you are not aware of the President's and Laura's devotion to Christ. Most important, Christ knows! This card was sent to people of all faiths. It is classy and appropriate.
123 posted on 12/10/2002 5:51:49 AM PST by NewsGal
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To: Miss Marple
I get the feeling that our friends AppyPappy and NY Catholic are upset that the President is restoring the dignity to the White House and providing a proper moral role model. I think they thought the Clintons were a sign of the second coming and now, it seems like the Bushes might mess this up.

Yeah, I know it doesn't make much sense, but the posts they are leaving don't either.

Merry Christmas, Miss Marple! :-)

124 posted on 12/10/2002 5:52:46 AM PST by Redleg Duke
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To: Neets
I live in nYC and my wife worked at AMEX so lay off the 9/11 crap. Ig GWB was serious about 9/11 he would do somthing about imigration.
125 posted on 12/10/2002 5:52:50 AM PST by NY Catholic
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To: NY Catholic
You're right! Christianity IS being attacked from all sides. They're chipping away at it one little piece at a time.
126 posted on 12/10/2002 5:54:04 AM PST by oldvike
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To: NY Catholic
Ah, your single issue surfaces at last.
127 posted on 12/10/2002 5:55:57 AM PST by Redleg Duke
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To: WhiteGuy
How did you get on the list?

In my case, the old fashion way; I EARNED it.

128 posted on 12/10/2002 5:56:36 AM PST by lonestar
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To: Redleg Duke
Thats cold! :)
129 posted on 12/10/2002 5:56:37 AM PST by NY Catholic
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To: NY Catholic
So, in a round about, convoluted, mulit-posting way, your beef with the President isn't REALLY about the CARD, but about his stand, or your perceived lack-there-of on immigration.

WHY DIDN"T YOU SAY SO???

(and I am from a community that lost over 30 people to 9/11 so don't tell me to lay off any 9/11 crap dipwad)
130 posted on 12/10/2002 5:57:07 AM PST by Neets
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To: NY Catholic
Great! And does it make you any less a Christian if you don't send out a card with a picture of the manger scene or something? Man, you guys need to lighten up; it doesn't make GW "pc".
131 posted on 12/10/2002 5:57:52 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: NY Catholic
You forgot the apostrophe.
132 posted on 12/10/2002 5:58:04 AM PST by Redleg Duke
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To: Neets
Funny, NY Catholic just told me he is against Bush because Bush hasn't crushed abortion.
133 posted on 12/10/2002 5:59:28 AM PST by Redleg Duke
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To: Redleg Duke
Maybe he is just against President Bush PERIOD.

Nah!!!

HAR!!!!
134 posted on 12/10/2002 6:02:00 AM PST by Neets
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To: ricer1
Thank you SO MUCH for posting this card.How great to have the WORD OF GOD used in a card from our President.What a big change from condoms on a tree!
135 posted on 12/10/2002 6:03:40 AM PST by pollywog
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To: NY Catholic
To All--I feel that my faith is being attacked on a daily basis. I live in NYC and I stand and walk tall in my faith. I am married with 2 children under 3...so I have hope and faith in God and this NAtion. However, it seems to me that Professing Christianity or being a "Protector of the Faith" is getting harder and harder each day. My example of the Whitehouse Christmas card probably is NOT the BEST example to prove America is turing more Secular each day. This scares me, well actually I fear for my Children. I do like GWB and I was very surprised to see a PIANO on the FACE of a "Christmas Card." Thats all. Enough said on the subject by me.
136 posted on 12/10/2002 6:04:05 AM PST by NY Catholic
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To: pollywog
Watch it! You will have NY Catholic down on you for that heresy!
137 posted on 12/10/2002 6:05:42 AM PST by Redleg Duke
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To: NY Catholic; ricer1
My card (also mailed from Crawford with a flag stamp)has a quotation from the Bible--

FOR THE LORD IS GOOD; HIS MERCY IS EVERLASTING;AND HIS TRUTH ENDURETH TO ALL GENERATIONS. --PSALM 100:5

Does NY Catholic have a problem with that?

138 posted on 12/10/2002 6:06:39 AM PST by lonestar
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To: ricer1
It quotes a psalm and the cover has eagles on it. I like it.
139 posted on 12/10/2002 6:09:20 AM PST by dalebert
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To: NY Catholic
Why don't you read the Bible. You will find that Christ and his Appostles warned us to be strong in our faith and expect to be attacked for it.

The problem is that you attacked a decent Christian just because he didn't meet your particular standards. George W. Bush was elected to be President of all Americans, not just the Roman Catholic Sect of the Christian Church! As such, our President makes a special effort to be considerate of all Americans.

You need to consider how you can exercise Christian Charity in recognizing the awsome job he has to accomplish for all of us. And stop driving wedges between Americans. We are still trying to heal the cuts caused by the Clintons!

Merry Christmas!

140 posted on 12/10/2002 6:10:41 AM PST by Redleg Duke
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To: Ol' Sox
In addition to the Poinsettas, the Lighted Lampstand is significant (representative of the Holy Spirit) as are the eagles. Examine the card closely, it is rife with Christian symbology.
141 posted on 12/10/2002 6:11:22 AM PST by Ol' Sox
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To: NY Catholic
NY Catholic,

Get a grip! The President sends out thousands of cards a year to people of all faiths, and I for one am pleased to see a Psalm included.

In a few days, a much smaller number will go out to those he knows better, and I will bet it has a very religious message. It did last year.

142 posted on 12/10/2002 6:12:36 AM PST by HoustonCurmudgeon
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To: Ol' Sox
Thank you for pointing out the symbolism in the card. I am going to take another look at it.

Of course, the lack of a Christmas tree is the big deal to some people. Nevermind that before the mid-19th century, 99% of Americans didn't have one! Jeesh!

143 posted on 12/10/2002 6:19:24 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple
More importantly, if memory serves me, the Christmas Tree was a pagan symbol of the Winter Solstice that was hi-jacked by the early Church as a means of converting the pagans to Christianity!
144 posted on 12/10/2002 6:23:28 AM PST by Redleg Duke
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To: ricer1
I received a White House Christmas Card and think it is beautiful and in keeping with the one that George and Laura Bush sent out the year before he was inaugurated. That one showed the staircase and entrance hall of the Texas Governor's Mansion.

Everyone who goes on the White House tour can see this piano as they are leaving through the front door. The card is a nice reminder of that experience.
145 posted on 12/10/2002 6:23:42 AM PST by Angelwood
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To: Redleg Duke
Oh, and by the way, before anyone jumps, the pagans didn't call it a "Christmas Tree"!
146 posted on 12/10/2002 6:24:30 AM PST by Redleg Duke
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To: NewsGal
All other things said (and said and said and said...), that is one ugly mofo piano.
147 posted on 12/10/2002 6:25:14 AM PST by Timesink
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To: Miss Marple
Did you even GET a card from the White House? I did, and mine is at the framers, because I am THRILLED that we have a president who quotes scripture in his card, and lives his faith.

And you claim not to be a bushbot; yeah, right. What's the symbolism/meaning of the Grand piano? I don't get it.

149 posted on 12/10/2002 6:37:08 AM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: Fred Mertz
Wherever did you get the idea that I claim to not be a Bushbot? Go look at my profile page! I am PROUD to be a Bushbot!

I don't think the piano itself is symbolic. I think the use of light, the lamp and the poinsettias is. Ask the poster Ol' Sox, who has pointed out the symbolism.

150 posted on 12/10/2002 6:41:56 AM PST by Miss Marple
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