Horrors of stoning captured on film

Washington Times ^ | 12-09-02 | Arnold Beichman

[SJackson]

In my snug little apartment on the Stanford University campus I have just watched on my TV screen 15 minutes of pure horror: the lashing and stoning ordered by Iranian judges of two Iranian men for committing so-called crimes.

The 15-minute film I viewed is an old one, shot outdoors in broad, sunny daylight in 1991 and very amateurish. But all is clear, much too clear for queasy stomachs. It was smuggled out only recently by agents of the National Council of Resistance of Iran.

[Buffalo Bob]

This is exactly what must be done to pedophiles in America. And done often.

[Deep_6]

re:
"...in a minute or so the head sags forward and there is no more movement...."

That's about as long as any execution takes in the United States. Who can
determine what pain a live being feels, just prior to death?

There are many in our Nation, that will go to any length to end our
policy of capital punishment; the rallying to denounce other country's
forms of capital punishment is part of that rally.

I would be very wary of the hyperbole.

 

[tennessee469]

Bring back PUBLIC HANGINGS !!!!

[Kerberos]

"This is exactly what must be done to pedophiles in America. And done often. "

Yeah those Muslims they sure know how to run a country the right way. We could learn a lot from them.

[Bluntpoint]

And the rest of the world hates us for driving SUVs and our fast food? Note to world: PERSPECTIVE!!!!

[fporretto]

More fun times from the Religion Of Peace (tm).

Both civilized and barbarous peoples execute, of course. Civilized peoples execute to protect others from the depravity of the executed one. Barbarous peoples execute to inflict the maximum of pain and humiliation on the executed one. Just one more marker by which the clueless can confuse us, and the intelligent can tell us apart.

Oh, one more thing: a people that does not execute cannot coherently answer the question "What is an innocent life worth?" This is made manifest by its unwillingness to protect innocent lives from those who have demonstrated a willingness to destroy them.

Freedom, Wealth, and Peace,
Francis W. Porretto
Visit The Palace Of Reason: http://palaceofreason.com

[The Raven]

Wrestling with Islam

[freeper12]

I like it...when can we start the stonings here in America?

I'd also like to bring back the large hollow brass bulls where you could place the criminal and then build a fire under it. The screaming of the criminal inside then appear to make the bull come alive...we could use that for pedophiles and rapists too...I got the matches.

[wimpycat]

I am in favor of capital punishment; however, I prefer lethal injection, electrocution and possibly the firing squad.

I know we all like to sit and talk about the "just" punishment for pedophiles and terrorists and other scum, but in reality, stoning and other ancient and medieval methods of execution are the methods of ancient and medieval people. It takes a brutal and bloodthirsty person to throw rocks at someone wrapped in a sheet and buried up to the waist; it takes a brutal and bloodthirsty person to cheer a public beheading--unless you're one of the actual victims, in which case you'd be filled with vengeance.

But as for stoning for pedophiles here in the U.S.? We can all talk and kid around about it because it will never happen, but if it ever did, I wouldn't want any part of it. Maybe I could flip the switch or pull the trigger, but I wouldn't be part of an angry, rock-throwing mob. Either way you're killing someone, but stoning and other "hands on" execution methods have a more brutalizing effect on the executioners.

[Deep_6]

re:
"..Civilized peoples execute to protect others from the depravity...."

Nonsense. It serves as an "example" of what punishment will
suit the crime you may be about to commit. It is a preventative
tool and used to help protect against crime.

Without severest of punishment, what reason does one have
to not commit the heinous act of killing an innocent being?

If we were to simply "protect" our society, we could imprison
indefinitely. And be compelled to do so in "the most humane
manner".

Hardly a compelling reason to not kill an innocent human
while committing a common crime.

 

[Slyfox]

This is exactly what must be done to pedophiles in America. And done often.

Yep, except I think that they should be upside down and the part stoned should be the offending member.

[Bluntpoint]

Urinating in public: What would be the punishment?

[wimpycat]

I used to work for a guy back in the 80's who had worked for a time in Saudi Arabia. He says he witnessed a beheading. I also read a book that detailed how they are done. Apparently, the condemned criminal has several pints of blood drawn from his or her body, to make them bleed less. As if being bled half dry isn't enough to make one woozy and disoriented, the condemned is also drugged, so they're pretty much stumbling around and don't have the energy to say anything to the crowd. This is supposed to make it more "humane". Actually, if a beheading is done right, it's probably one of the quickest and therefore more merciful methods for the condemned, but that doesn't make it any less brutal or messy to witness.

[Deep_6]

Of interest:

Capital Punishment

The policy around the world varies at present.

By the early twentieth century, capital punishment had been abolished in Italy, Holland, most of the cantons of Switzerland, Belgium, Portugal, and Rumania, and in the States of Michigan, Rhode Island, Wisconsin, Iowa, and Maine.

It had fallen into practical disuse in Finland and Prussia.

It was retained in Russia only for treason and military insubordination.

The State of Colorado abolished it in 1897, but as the result of a lynching outbreak in 1900 it was restored in 1901.

The death penalty was publicly inflicted by the guillotine in France, Belgium, Denmark, Hanover, and two cantons of Switzerland. Criminals were executed privately by the guillotine in Bavaria, Saxony, and in two cantons of Switzerland.

Execution upon the gallows was in vogue in Austria and Portugal. Hanging was conducted privately in Great Britain and in most of the states of the Federal Union.

In America, the states of New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Ohio, North Carolina, and Virginia were among the first to execute criminals by electricity.

In fifteen cantons of Switzerland criminals condemned to death were publicly beheaded; in Prussia they were privately beheaded.

In Ecuador, and in the Grand Duchy of Oldenburg, they were shot.

In Spain they were publicly executed by means of an instrument called the garrotte.

In China they were strangled in public with a cord.

In Brunswick they were beheaded.

 

[Deep_6]

USA Executions

 

Dunklin County:

The tension increased as 8:00 a.m. approached. Kennett Street was lined from Julius Kohn's Department Store to Second Street. Glen Brogden was just fifteen at the time. He said, "I didn't leave the store but watched as all the stores, shops and roof tops on the south side of the square filled with the curious. Many of the owners were fearful their roofs would collapse. It was impossible for them to see a full block away but no matter, they could always say they were "there."

From my vantage point it was only possible to see the top of the scaffold over the newly erected 10 foot board fence. When they brought out Adams we could only see the top of his head. I watched as a hood and rope were placed over his head and seconds later he disappeared.

http://www.missourinet.com/capitalpunishment/Fred_Adams.htm

Oklahoma

Oklahoma has executed a total of 132 men and 3 women between 1915 and 2002 at  the Oklahoma State Penitentiary.
Eighty-two were executed by electrocution, one by hanging (a federal prisoner) and 52 by lethal
injection. The last execution by electrocution took place in 1966.

The first execution by lethal injection in Oklahoma occurred on September 10, 1990, when Charles
Troy Coleman, convicted in 1979 of Murder 1st Degree in Muskogee County was executed.

http://www.doc.state.ok.us/DOCS/CapitalP.HTM#Execution%20Process

 

[Bluntpoint]

Is this part of your Christmas card?

[fporretto]

I'm afraid you're the one vending nonsense. If deterrence were our principal reason to execute, we'd execute every felon, not just those who commit Murder I. After all, the more severe the possible penalty, the greater the deterrent effect, right?

We execute only in those cases where one may reasonably conclude -- where twelve presumedly reasonable men have concluded -- that the murderer either:

1. planned his crime in cold blood, or:
2. exhibited such viciousness in carrying it out as to indicate that he has no conception of the sanctity of life or sympathy for the rights of others.

Either of these conditions indicates that the murderer, even if imprisoned for life without parole, would remain a likely hazard to the lives of others who don't deserve to die. Conversely, a man who, though he has killed, appears to be little or no threat to others need not be executed. Despite the arguments of some that all killers deserve to be executed, that is not the practice in America today.

(An aside: Thomas Sowell and others have demonstrated that the protective effect of execution is the reduction of recidivist murders. Most killings are committed by persons who have killed more than once. By comparison to this, execution's deterrent effect is far weaker, largely owing to the reluctance of judges and juries to impose the death penalty, and the complex webs of reviews and appeals that apply to all capital verdicts.)

There are reasons for the divide between Murder I and all other crimes. You might not like those reasons -- you might think there are better arguments, or arguments that would militate for executing a broader class of offenders -- but they motivated the shaping of the laws as they currently are, and remain the legal and legislative community's dominant thinking on capital punishment at this time.

Freedom, Wealth, and Peace,
Francis W. Porretto
Visit The Palace Of Reason: http://palaceofreason.com

[eccentric]

Set this video to the 'music' of peace-niks singing "Give Peace a chance"

[The Duke]

In China execution takes the form of a bullet to the back
of the head, with the family subsequently sent a bill for
the cost of the bullet.

[Stefan Stackhouse]

A case could be made for applying that method of execution that most closely matches the method that the criminal employed in killing his victims - "let the puniahment fit the crime." For example, those who killed their victims by gunshot would face a firing squad, those who used knives would be beheaded, those who strangled their victims would be hanged, those who poisoned would get lethal injection or cyanide gas, etc.

[bray]

Islam-The Bridge to the 8th Century

Pray for GW and the Troops

[agrace]

The film has been shown to the U.N. Committee of Human Rights, presently under the chairmanship of Libya...Other members of the U.N. Committee of Human Rights include Zimbabwe, Sudan, China and Cuba.

No additional comment necessary.

[Diverdogz]

For urinating in public...you'd wake up in a bathtub full of ice ..with a note on your chest that says to Get to the Hospital in a hurry for your kidneys have been removed.

...you probably thought that your tallywhacker would get lopped off.

[Bluntpoint]

Could I still write my name in the snow? How about if it is in my my best friend's wife's handwriting?

[job]

yeah, that's what I thought, this is just another left wing piece to kill the momementum for capital punishment in the United States.

No, not really. Everything is not about the United States.

[wideawake]

Another repulsive exercise in moral equivalence.

In America someone is executed through painless lethal injection for the crime of murdering another human being in cold blood.

In Iran someone is brutally stoned to death for the crime of speaking up against the regime.

[buffyt]

I met some nice young women from Iran last year when I was volunteering at Tom DeLay's Houston area offices. I asked them if they plan to move back or stay here. They all said they plan to stay here, it is much nicer here. Now I know what they meant. Lovely beautiful conservative young women. Now I see what they left behind, and why. They said they have more opportunity here, they said they would not have been allowed to go to college over there.

[buffyt]

Can we use that on ex-boyfriends.... I guess not, never mind.... LOL

[Hatteras]

We had a fellow executed her in Raleigh last Thursday. Due to the power outage from the ice storm, they had to go to back-up emergency generators. The show must go on...

[Aquinasfan]

The film has been shown to the U.N. Committee of Human Rights, presently under the chairmanship of Libya.

LOL!

[Jason_b]

The electric chair for execution idea came out around the time that Edison and his DC generators and Tesla with his AC alternators were both struggling for industry supremecy. Tesla, working with Westinghouse, wanted his method of generating and transmitting electricity to be accepted on its merits. A very nasty Thomas Edison wanted so badly for his DC to dominate decided to make AC look as bad as possible. So Edison got hold of AC equipment, burned and killed animals with it in public view to prove to the public how dangerous, evil, and wicked AC is. This is what led to the idea of using it to kill the condemned. Nontheless, the engineers of the time saw that Tesla's AC was superior, and Westinghouse AC generators were installed at Niagra Falls, and life went on. And we still use electrocution to put down the condemned. BTW who saw "The Green Mile?" I thought it was a great movie.

[astounded]

AFL:

You hit the nail on the head - if Islam takes us over, we will no longer have any freedom. This is no joke - we Americans are in a war literally for our way of life against Islam. The muslims seek to defeat us - take us over - through violence and - this is key - through infiltration by immigration. Unless Americans - what is left of us who speak English as a first language - revolt and coerce the "government" to close and secure our borders soon, we are in real danger of being taken over from inside through the political process. Already, France is in real danger of falling to Islam, and could be followed by England, thence the rest of Europe. The leftists in the media and academia have it wrong - this war is about the West versus Islam - not the West versus terror. Wake up America, before it's too late.

[Hatteras]

Well, they didn't exactly use the generators in Raleigh to electrocute this guy. But they needed power in the facility, including the little mixing machine, to go about their business. I guess people figured if the area was shut down, schools and shopping closed due to the loss of power, then the execution, it would stand to reason, would be put off a day or two. I guess not.

Of course, for the Democratic Governor Easley, the timing couldn't have been better. No one was paying attention due to the ice storm so it got very little coverage.

[Delbert]

Sounds like a bad way to go...unfortunately in Iran..they probably only blasphemed Allah or something like that...and that got them killed. Stoning was the common form of capital punishment even in the Bible.

[Delbert]

I would not feel so all alone.....Everybody must get stoned<--Bob Dylan

[Doctor Stochastic]

"...With her head tucked underneath her arm, she walks the Bloody Tower...."

[Doctor Stochastic]

Singapore uses caning.

[MHGinTN]

Careful, Bob, the stoning phenomenon is designed to stir the blood thirsty stoners (have to have irrational followers, don'tcha know) as much or not more than it is designed to execute a criminal. Is there glee to be found in cruel, torturous methods of killing a rabid dog?... Or should the dog merely be exterminated to prevent further danger to society?

[buffyt]

But they are Muslim and Islam is a religion of peace.......

[Hatteras]

"No one is to stone anyone until I blow this whistle!"

[Deep_6]

re:
"...In America someone is executed through painless....[yada-yada]"

Unless you can personally attest to the lack of pain or feeling that the brain
has; the absolute emotions one feels at the the time of death, you cannot
possibly determine that one style of execution is more or less "painless"
than another.

Being smacked unconscious by a rock to the head, may be more "humane"
than being strapped to a chair [like "old sparky"] with the wrong voltage applied,
or have the wrong dosage of chemicals injected into your arm.

Likewise, as noted in earlier posts, having one's head lopped off after
a "blood letting" ceremony and after drugs to delude ones senses, is certainly
as applicable as a "humane" method, as cyanide or any other method we use.

In the USA, many innocent individuals have suffered the death penalty.
Where then, is your argument?

I stated earlier and will say it again:

There are many that would like to rid this Nation of the death penalty. With
each denouncement of another nation's method will bring an equal amount
of denouncement of our method.... Within the ranks of our country's legislation.

If that's what you seek, stone away.