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SEVEN MORE 'CATHOLIC' UNIVERSITIES FOUND PROMOTING PLANNED PARENTHOOD
LifeSiteNews.com ^ | December 9, 2002 | LifeSiteNews.com

Posted on 12/10/2002 9:08:45 AM PST by Polycarp

LifeSite Daily News
Monday December 9, 2002

SEVEN MORE 'CATHOLIC' UNIVERSITIES FOUND PROMOTING PLANNED PARENTHOOD
Cardinal Newman Society head calls such promotion “a scandal and a terrible crime”

CHICAGO, December 9, 2002 (LifeSiteNews.com) - LifeSite has learned of seven more 'Catholic' universities and colleges in the United States which promote Planned Parenthood on their websites. In light of San Francisco University’s recent removal (at least temporarily) of links to the pro-abortion organization from its website, LifeSite hopes that this latest expose will shine a needed cleansing light.


DePaul University in Chicago, founded in 1898 by the Vincentians boasts of being "The largest Catholic university in the nation." However, DePaul not only links to the pro-abortion Planned Parenthood but goes even further offering its students internships with the pro-abortion organization.
(See links verifying DePaul's Planned Parenthood internships:
http://condor.depaul.edu/~soc/undergraduate_descriptions.htm )


Georgetown University in the nation's capital pride itself on being "founded in 1789” and “the nation's oldest Catholic and Jesuit university." Nonetheless, the Georgetown website offers a "sexual health & safety" page which would make even insensitive Catholics blush with embarrassment with its encouragement of the use of sexual aids including "dental dams" and "latex gloves" for "safer sex". Not only does Georgetown link to Planned Parenthood Federation of America, it also suggests the use of the abortifacient morning after pill in case of rape.
(See Georgetown's sexual health site:
http://www.georgetown.edu/student-affairs/healthed/sex.htm )


Loyola University in Chicago is one of the largest of the 28 Jesuit universities and colleges in the United States. Besides linking to Planned Parenthood, the university's women's studies website links to the pro-abortion lobby group National Organization of Women.
(See: http://www.luc.edu/depts/women_stu/links.html )


Santa Clara University in California which was founded in 1851 by the Society of Jesus not only links to Planned Parenthood on its Medical Assistance website, but explains clearly that " Planned Parenthood provides services including family planning, pregnancy testing, prenatal care, cancer screening, surgical sterilization, abortion."
(See: http://www.scu.edu/SCU/Projects/SourceBook/Medical/content.htm )


Seaattle University in Washington claims "The Gospel vision of the human person in society, as understood and developed by our Catholic and Jesuit tradition, is the wellspring of our educational values and hence our educational mission." But on a university website, besides linking to Planned Parenthood for "wellness" services, the students are urged to "activism" with groups such as "National Organization for Women" and "National Gay and Lesbian Task Force".
(See: http://www.seattleu.edu/wismer/links.htm and
http://www.seattleu.edu/student/wellness/Resources2001v2.html )


Two other Catholic institutions, Boston College and John Carroll University in Cleveland also offer their students links to Planned Parenthood offices from the university websites.
( See: http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/svp/house/offcampus/phone.htm and
http://www.jcu.edu/studentl/HealthServices/information.htm )


LifeSite sought a comment on the findings from Patrick J. Reilly, President & CEO of the Cardinal Newman Society which was established in 1993 and dedicated to the renewal of Catholic identity in Catholic higher education. The Society, which is backed by ten U.S. bishops and archbishops and counts among its spiritual advisers, Rev. Benedict Groeschel, and Rev. Richard John Neuhaus, works towards the faithful implementation of Pope John Paul II's 1990 constitution Ex Corde Ecclesae "On Catholic Universities".


"In Ex Corde Ecclesiae, one of the requirements of a Catholic university is that all official actions and commitments must be in accord with the university's Catholic identity," said Reilly. "Anything that would appear or be announced or promoted by the university's website or professors is an official action. By promoting Planned Parenthood or taking any step that might drive students towards Planned Parenthood for an abortion is not only a violation of Ex Corde Ecclesiae but a scandal and a terrible crime against these young women."


See the Cardinal Newman Society website and Ex Corde Ecclesiae:
http://cardinalnewmansociety.org
http://www.ewtn.com/library/papaldoc/jp2unive.htm


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1 posted on 12/10/2002 9:08:45 AM PST by Polycarp
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To: pseudo-justin
Thanks for the heads-up.
2 posted on 12/10/2002 9:09:23 AM PST by Polycarp
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To: *Catholic_list; .45MAN; AKA Elena; al_c; american colleen; Angelus Errare; Antoninus; ...
Our work is not over yet ping...(as usual, if you desire to be added to or deleted from my "conservative" Catholic ping list, please send me a FReepmail.)
3 posted on 12/10/2002 9:10:41 AM PST by Polycarp
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To: Polycarp
Georgetown University in the nation's capital pride itself on being "founded in 1789” and “the nation's oldest Catholic and Jesuit university."

Georgetown is still a Jesuit University but it hasn't beeb a "Catholic" University for over a quarter of a century. I went to Catholic University across town and waaaaay back then we were surprised and angered by the pro-abortion activities of the faculty staff and student government.

4 posted on 12/10/2002 9:13:17 AM PST by pgkdan
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To: pgkdan; Polycarp; cebadams; Desdemona; Salvation; patent
Looks like Georgetown already got around to pulling their site. I am sure the pro-life organizations are all over this already. I hope they saved the webpages...I did.
5 posted on 12/10/2002 9:16:20 AM PST by pseudo-justin
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To: Polycarp
bttt
6 posted on 12/10/2002 9:16:23 AM PST by polemikos
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To: Polycarp
bttt; thanks.
7 posted on 12/10/2002 9:16:33 AM PST by Romulus
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To: pgkdan
Georgetown is still a Jesuit University but it hasn't beeb a "Catholic" University for over a quarter of a century.

So long as the basketball team made the sweet 16, nobody cared.

I'm kind of surprised some others aren't on this list.
8 posted on 12/10/2002 9:17:26 AM PST by Desdemona
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To: pgkdan
Dear pgkdan,

Hey, I went to CUA, too. Class of '81.


sitetest
9 posted on 12/10/2002 9:18:21 AM PST by sitetest
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To: pseudo-justin
Looks like Georgetown already got around to pulling their site.

I bet they did. Just the fight to get Crucifixes back in the classrooms was unreal. This is ridiculous.
10 posted on 12/10/2002 9:18:57 AM PST by Desdemona
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To: Polycarp
Wheeling Jesuit University, in Wheeling, W.Va., is among the many officially pro-abortion "Catholic" colleges. In May of 2000, Janey Reno was Commencement Speaker. The event is memorialized on their website, and the presence of "pro-life demonstrators" OUTSIDE the gates of the campus is mentioned.
11 posted on 12/10/2002 9:20:13 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan
Reminds me of 1984 - forget the real meaning of words and ideas, just use false words and get peoples' minds 100% twisted. Call it Catholicism, or religion, but it really is a whorehouse and murders' den.
It is past time for people who are disgusted by the liberals' horse s**t to stand up and SHOUT about it, demonstrate, etc. I've tried writing letters to editors for years and they have never printed one. We have to get over our fear of standing up. Thanks to all on this site who keep informed and inform others.
I just found out about this website last week and I love it.
12 posted on 12/10/2002 9:39:33 AM PST by First Amendment
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To: pram
On the other hand, Tom Monaghan is starting another campus of Ave Maria U. in Florida. Link
13 posted on 12/10/2002 10:03:48 AM PST by JohnnyZ
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To: Polycarp
Does anyone have any info on the Univ. of Dallas? I know Janet Smith was a Professor there (may still be) and she is a very vocal supporter of Humanae Vitae. Also, does UD have a Law School? Our son plans to attend Law School in the fall and is looking for a good school in the South. He's tired of the snow and cold up here in MA.

I wish Ave Maria School of Law would go ahead and move to FL with the University, and would do it by next fall!! LOL!

14 posted on 12/10/2002 10:14:07 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: JohnnyZ



Uhm, not put to put a wrench into your desire to see a good
Catholic college in the US, but what with all the
Opus Dei connections at Ave Maria I wouldn't
want my kids going there, come out like members of a cult,
with "the pope is never wrong" attitude... Or,
worse... "you mean there was a Catholic Church before
Vatican II"

O the other hand it is better to send you children to a secular college, near
home, where they can commute, then to send them
off to a so called Catholic College, like any of those
in the article.


No thanks.

15 posted on 12/10/2002 10:26:22 AM PST by Smocker
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To: Polycarp
Thank goodness for LifeSite. I, for one, will never contribute to Catholic Charities or any supposed Catholic cause again. My family and I used to but now I only contribute to the Salvation Army and the local pregnancy centers. I also am very unhappy with the Catholic Churches in my area but have just found a chapel that has traditional latin masses. I think that Catholicism should revert back to values and customs before Vatican II.

16 posted on 12/10/2002 11:07:07 AM PST by For the Unborn
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To: pram
Welcome to Free Republic. You have found a new home.
17 posted on 12/10/2002 11:13:09 AM PST by Bigg Red
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To: For the Unborn
I think that Catholicism should revert back to values and customs before Vatican II.


Amen! Amen! I long for those days.
18 posted on 12/10/2002 11:14:45 AM PST by Bigg Red
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To: Polycarp
This organization is clearly doing very good work pointing this out. Hopefully it will embarass the scumbags. Pope should come down hard on them as well. No more using the Catholic brand name if the product is pure satan.
19 posted on 12/10/2002 11:16:52 AM PST by Zviadist
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To: SuziQ
Does anyone have any info on the Univ. of Dallas?

Univ of Dallas went through a purge a year or two ago and got rid of some of the people that gave them a conservative reputation. Kind of like Univ San Francisco getting rid of Fr. Fessio and the Ignatius Institute. There's a reason that Janet Smith is no longer there. It's been a little while and I'm on my second new computer since then, or else I'd try to point you to some documentation.

20 posted on 12/10/2002 11:18:37 AM PST by Maximilian
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To: SuziQ
Although I lost any old links to the story, Google came up with some info about the changes at the Univ of Dallas:

http://www.diocesereport.com/diocese_report/news/udallas_res.shtml

http://www.catholic.net/rcc/Periodicals/Igpress/2001-07/inquiry.html
21 posted on 12/10/2002 11:27:32 AM PST by Maximilian
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To: Diago
Two other Catholic institutions, Boston College and John Carroll University in Cleveland also offer their students links to Planned Parenthood offices from the university websites.

Cleveland ping. I'm surprised to see John Carroll on the list, but maybe I'm just naive.

22 posted on 12/10/2002 11:29:59 AM PST by Maximilian
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To: Polycarp
Thanks for the information. Santa Clara has actively supported the homosexual, abortion and anti-Pope agenda for many years. The school president also opposed the Pope's push for local Bishop's consent to any individual who would run the theology department. However, the school is quick to solicit money from Roman Catholics on the basis of "support for a Catholic University".
23 posted on 12/10/2002 11:36:00 AM PST by Tadhg
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To: 2nd amendment mama; A2J; aposiopetic; attagirl; axel f; Balto_Boy; bulldogs; Charlie OK; ...
ProLife Ping!

If anyone wants on or off my ProLife Ping List, please notify me here or by freepmail.

24 posted on 12/10/2002 11:45:07 AM PST by Mr. Silverback
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To: Maximilian
I stopped purchasing anything from Ignatius Press (Fr. Fessio) after he published Kimberly Hahn and Mary Hasson Book on homeschooling, (which had very little Catholic in it) Hans Urs Von Balthasar material, Prince of Egypt video, CBS version of Joan of Arc, any and all Scott Hahn material.

The company does publish some good books, but the infestion of liberal ecumaniacal post Vatican II ideology sickens me.

25 posted on 12/10/2002 11:54:53 AM PST by Smocker
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To: pgkdan
"Georgetown is still a Jesuit University but it hasn't beeb a "Catholic" University for over a quarter of a century."

Our daughter attended Georgetown Visitation when it was still a Catholic school and we used Georgetown Hospital for that reason. These days we still use the Hospital out of choice but it can hardly be thought of as Catholic.

We figure it has a chance of a better atmosphere than the Fairfax Hospital abortion mill which could be our alternative and of which I have heard many bizzare examples of lack of care or attention. My sense is that an organization so intent on taking life is hardly prepared to adequately also serve to heal or further life.
26 posted on 12/10/2002 12:00:23 PM PST by Spirited
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To: Smocker
I stopped purchasing anything from Ignatius Press (Fr. Fessio) after he published Kimberly Hahn and Mary Hasson Book on homeschooling, (which had very little Catholic in it) Hans Urs Von Balthasar material, Prince of Egypt video, CBS version of Joan of Arc, any and all Scott Hahn material.

I don't buy anything from Ignatius Press either. But it wasn't promotion of Hans Urs (Mr. Universal Salvation) Von Balthasar that made the Univ of San Francisco shut down the Ignatius Institute. I've posted before that I don't expect anything very Catholic from this Ave Maria campus down in Florida. I get a fund-raising letter from Fr. Fessio practically every day in the mail, and I just toss them unopened in the garbage. But the Jesuits in California still found him to be a dangerous reactionary from their point of view.

27 posted on 12/10/2002 12:01:35 PM PST by Maximilian
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To: Maximilian
Shout out to Ignatius Press, which publishes a great many excellent books. My parents do a lot of work for them in the book production business.

I find it rather odd that vibrant orthodox Catholic figures like Monaghan & Co, Ignatius Press, Pope John Paul II, Opus Dei, et al, would come under fire from conservatives, but I guess it takes all kinds . . .

28 posted on 12/10/2002 12:42:37 PM PST by JohnnyZ
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To: Polycarp
Georgetown website offers a "sexual health & safety" page which would make even insensitive Catholics blush with embarrassment with its encouragement of the use of sexual aids

My face has turned red alright .... but I'm not blushing!

What some perceive as an all out attack on the catholic church is taking some interesting turns. Good!! Time to clean up the churches and universities.

29 posted on 12/10/2002 1:08:32 PM PST by NYer
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To: Polycarp
Woops! Georgetown tried to hide the evidence (or perhaps they felt true remorse and shame). But luckily Google took a snapshot yesterday.....

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G o o g l e's cache is the snapshot that we took of the page as we crawled the web.
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Sexual Health & Safety

Closeness, touching, and intimacy are good for health. One way to experience these is through sexual contact. Some people decide to delay sex until they are in a long-term committed relationship. Others decide to become sexually active without one. If you choose to be sexually active, consider your health and peace of mind by playing it safe.

Safer Sex

Safer sex means being intimate but using measures that minimize the risk of sexually transmitted diseases (STDs). Not having sex, including intercourse, oral sex, anal sex, and genital to genital contact is the only sure way to eliminate the risk for STDs. Caressing, hugging, dry kissing, and masturbation are no risk or extremely low-risk practices. So is limiting your sexual contact to one person your entire life if your partner is also monogamous and does not have an STD.

Follow these measures to reduce the risk for contracting an STD:

Use latex or polyurethane barriers, such as condoms (male or female ones), dental dams, latex gloves, etc. These reduce the spread of STDs when used properly and carefully and for every sex act. They do not eliminate the risk entirely. Barriers made of natural membranes, such as lamb skin do not offer effective protection against STDs. Unless they are in a monogamous relationship in which neither partner has an STD, both females and males should carry latex or polyurethane barriers and insist that they be used every time they have genital contact and/or oral sex. Use polyurethane condoms if either partner is allergic to latex.

For oral-vaginal sex and oral-anal sex, use latex dams ("doilies"). These are latex squares.
For additional protection, use spermicidal foams, jellies, or creams (especially with Nonoxynol-9 if you are not allergic to this), and a diaphragm. Use these with (not instead of) a condom. Use water-based lubricants, such as K-Y Brand Jelly. Don't use oil-based or "petroleum" ones, such as Vaseline. They can damage latex barriers.
Don't have sex while under the influence of drugs or alcohol.
Limit sexual partners. Sexual contact with many persons increases the risk for STDs, especially if no protection is used.
Discuss a new partner's sexual history with him or her before beginning a sexual relationship. (Be aware, though, that persons are not always honest about their sexual history.)
Avoid sexual contact with persons whose health status and health practices are not known.
Avoid sex if either partner has signs and symptoms of a genital infection, such as sores or a discharge.
Wash the genitals with soap and water before and after sexual intercourse.
After manual, sexual contact in another person's genital area, wash your hands with hot water and an antibacterial soap, especially before you touch your eyes or anyone else's genitals.
Talk to your health care provider about getting vaccinated for hepatitis B.

If you have multiple sex partners, ask your health care provider to check for STDs every 6 months (or as he or she advises), even if you don’t have any symptoms.

Seek treatment for a sexually transmitted disease if you know your sex partner is infected.

For Information, Contact:

Your school’s Student Health Center, your health care provider, or your local health department

The National STD Hotline
1-800- 227-8922

American Social Health Association (ASHA)
http://www.ashastd.org/

Planned Parenthood Federation of America
www.ppfa.org/ppfa
Planned Parenthood at 1-800-239-PLAN (7526)

Sexual Assault

Sexual assault is an unlawful act that may involve the touching of intimate body parts, sexual intimidation, or forced sexual penetration. This includes sexual intercourse, oral sex, and digital penetration.

Rape is forced sexual intercourse. Force may be by verbal threats, physical restraint, or violence.

Rape is one of the most underreported, violent crimes in the United States. Only about 16% of rapes are reported. Acquaintance or date rape is forced or coerced sexual intercourse by a friend or acquaintance, usually in a dating situation. About 80% of sexual assault victims knew their assailant. Most acquaintance rape is sexually motivated with violence or coercion as factors. Almost all sexual assaults on college campuses are acquaintance rapes, and in most cases at least one of the persons involved is under the influence of alcohol or another drug.

Safety Tips to Reduce the Chances for Sexual Assault

Be aware of the risks of date rape with drinking alcohol. About 75% of male students who take part in acquaintance rape had been drinking; about 55% of female students had.

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The best defense is to not drink. If you drink, limit alcohol intake.

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Don’t drink anything you have not brought or opened yourself. Don’t drink from another person’s container, from a punch bowl, beer bong, etc. When at a bar or club, accept drinks only from a bartender or waiter.

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Keep your drink in your hand and under your watch at all times. If needed, have a friend watch your drink. Do the same for your friend(s).

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Don’t drink alcohol in a high-risk setting for sexual assault (e.g., frat house or team parties or with persons you don’t know and/or trust).

Be aware of these “date-rape” drugs, which have no odor or color when mixed with drinks:

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Rophypnol. See the Drug Chart under "Drugs & Drug Safety" for the effects of this drug, which can last 6 to 8 hours. This drug is added to drinks and punches at parties, raves, etc., usually to lower sexual inhibitions in females. When mixed with alcohol or other drugs, Rohypnol can cause death.

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GHB and GLB. See the Drug Chart under "Drugs & Drug Safety" for the effects of this drug, which last about 8 hours. If you have had this drug, you may wake up partially clothed with no recollection of a sexual assault. GHB is often made in homes with recipes and ingredients found and purchased on the Internet. GHB can cause death.

Consider using a coaster or test strip made to detect date rape drugs in drinks before you take a sip. An example is Drink Safe CoasterTM by Drink Safe Technology. For information, contact http://www.drinksafetech.com/.

If you suspect you have been drugged keep a sample of your drink. Get help immediately. Have a friend help you get medical care. Call EMS, if necessary. Get tested for the drug within 12 hours of the suspected incident at a hospital emergency department.

Do not have sex with a person who is under the influence of alcohol and/or drugs, which compromise consent. Also, look out for the safety of your friends and yourself and don’t put yourself in vulnerable situations.

Alert your female friends (and the authorities) to rumors of guys using date- rape drugs.

Don't assume that anyone under the influence is "too nice a guy" to commit sexual assault. Intervene on a friend's behalf (e.g., walk her out of a party, take her to a safe place, etc.).

Know your sexual limitations and communicate them both verbally and nonverbally. If you sense you are being pressured to have sex and don't want to, state your position clearly. Say "NO" emphatically when you mean "NO!" Be aware, too, that a female/partner does not need to say the word, "NO" to mean "NO." Listen for words like, "I'm just not ready," "We're going too fast," etc. The female/partner may be afraid to say "NO."

Attend your school’s classes, etc., on preventing acquaintance rape, sexual assault, etc. Take a class in self-defense.

Carry a cell phone with you to call for help, if needed.

Avoid being alone, especially in unsafe situations and with strangers and persons you don’t know well or feel safe with.

Keep the doors to your home and car locked. Don’t open doors to strangers. Don’t tell strangers that you are alone.

If Rape Occurs

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Do not shower, clean or wash up in any way, or change clothing before you go to the hospital emergency department. Doing so could destroy evidence (e.g., blood type, hair samples, etc.), which may not be legally acceptable if collected later than 72 hours after the rape. If you have removed clothes worn at the time of the rape, put them in a plastic bag and take them with you to the ER.

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Get medical or police help right away. (Date-rape drugs may not be detectable after 12 hours.) Go to the ER. Recall and write down as much detail as you can. Report the rapist's age, height, weight, race, hair color, clothing worn, noticeable body marks, tattoos, etc. If a vehicle was involved, report its type, color, licence plate, etc. Take a friend with you for comfort and support. At the ER, you will get information about health care providers in your area who can help you after the ER visit. You will likely use it at some point.

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Talk to the emergency care provider about emergency contraception and tests for STDs.

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Contact your campus Sexual Assault Crisis Center or call the Rape Crisis Hotline at 1-800-656-HOPE (4673).

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30 posted on 12/10/2002 2:18:15 PM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: Polycarp
How about everywhere a "Planned Parenthood" sign exists, it be modified to read "Aborted Parenthood"?
31 posted on 12/10/2002 2:23:32 PM PST by G Larry
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To: Maximilian
Thanks for the links about U of Dallas. I checked their website after I'd asked and saw they don't have a Law School, so I'm not interested at this point.
32 posted on 12/10/2002 3:17:11 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Polycarp
Too bad we're not in the millstone business!

It's very very sad to think about. It's easier to joke if the stakes weren't so high, individually and societally.

33 posted on 12/10/2002 3:23:42 PM PST by attagirl
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To: JohnnyZ
would come under fire from conservatives

Don't confuse "conservatives" with "traditionalists."

"Conservatives" don't try to destroy their own the way some "traditionalists" do as a matter of course.

34 posted on 12/10/2002 3:26:58 PM PST by Polycarp
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To: G Larry
Personally I prefer "Planned Barrenhood."
35 posted on 12/10/2002 3:28:45 PM PST by Polycarp
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To: JohnnyZ
Don't forget Tan Books!
36 posted on 12/10/2002 3:40:01 PM PST by pray4liberty
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To: Polycarp
For the sake of His Sorrowful Passion, have Mercy on us and on the whole world.
37 posted on 12/10/2002 3:41:27 PM PST by pray4liberty
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To: pray4liberty
amen
38 posted on 12/10/2002 5:58:21 PM PST by pseudo-justin
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39 posted on 12/10/2002 5:58:47 PM PST by Bob J
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To: Smocker
but the infestion of liberal ecumaniacal post Vatican II ideology sickens me.

I like Ignatius Press and our kids use their Catechism materials. They have a great series, "Faith and Life", that teaches basic Catholic Doctrine without the 'peace and love' fluff we had to endure when they were in Catholic Schools.

Face it, most Catholics today weren't alive, or they weren't paying attention pre-Vatican II. That Church and the practices mean nothing to them. You have to reach people where they are and bring them along into a more rich, sacred life in the Church. You don't do that by demanding that everything post Vatican II be dumped. Some of it is atrocious, but some can be rather nice. I, for one, don't need a Latin Mass in order to feel it a prayerful experience. I receive Holy Communion in the hand, and I don't think I'm any less a Catholic for that reason. I know that it is the Body and Blood of Jesus, and I am prayerful and respectful when receiving. I'm even an Extraordinary Minister of the Eucharist because we have Holy Communion under both species at our Masses. Not everyone avails themselves of the opportunity, but that's their decision. There are many Catholics today who don't even believe in the Real Presence, so it will be a while before those folks would care about whether the Mass is in English or Latin. They're just there because they know they are supposed to be and God Bless them for that! It is my hope that newer priests will be willing to TEACH from the pulpit all those things the average Catholic missed because of poor catechetics. The younger priests are tending to be more conservative than middle aged or older priests these days. Maybe God had the plan all along that we wouldn't have too many of these weaker priests and he would send more strong men to the priesthood when we need them and can appreciate them!

As for the homeschooling materials which don't promote 'Catholic' homeschooling, I don't have a problem with that. We are strong orthodox Catholics and we don't use exclusively 'Catholic' materials either. I use secular textbooks, and supplement when necessary with Catholic materials. I have frankly found some of the exclusively Catholic materials lacking in substance and quality. So we use lots of materials and discuss where these differ from what the Church teaches. Our kids are reading a History of the Catholic Church in America along with their secular US History materials. When they begin their classical studies next year, they'll study about the religious practices of the Ancient civilizations and about Judaism leading to the birth of Christ. Then we'll pick up with the History of the Church corresponding to the time frame being studied. I want them to have a well rounded education and to know of the secular references as well as the Catholic.

40 posted on 12/10/2002 6:41:18 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Polycarp

How could any Catholic University forget the beauty of a Mother and Child?

41 posted on 12/10/2002 6:57:21 PM PST by victim soul
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To: SuziQ
SuzyQ:

Ignatius Press' Faith and Life, is a good starting point for Catholic Catechisis. It is well written, & beautiful, and yet, if you teach catechism everyday of the week the Faith and Life series would fall short of material, you still would have to supplement it with another series.

I do not think I said everything post VII needs to be dumped, however, there are many innovations which have been carried out since VII which have definetely not helped the Faith. To begin one must recognize that VII was not a dogmatic council, it was pastoral. I am not bound to go along with anything in it, since it did not carry the weight of infallibility or official Church
Dogma.

Many of the wreckovations that have been carried out in the name of VII have been actually carried out because progressives and modernists wished to do so, found themselves in positions where they could do so, and as you say, since many of the faithful were either not paying atttention or did not know better, or thought they had to be obedient, then the innovations got passed off as done deals.

I don't attend a Latin Mass either, I did not grow up with one, I have only ever attended, that I know of, one Latin Mass, so I do not know how my 'prayerful experiences', would be better with a Latin Mass. I do not receive Communion in the hand, nor am I a lay minister because I believe the handling of the Body of Christ is a privilege of the ordained. I do not think any less of a person attempting to live sincere, holy, Catholic lives but who also receives communion in the hand. I personally have come to
believe it is not right. Maybe one day you will too. I think Communion under both species should be administered by the priest, I think a priest can do this using special chalice and it is what is called intinction. I am not sure of the term. However, self administered reception of the Blood of Christ I think falls into the same category as receiving in the hand.

I think the practice of receiving in the hand has led many to lessen the belief of the True Presence of Christ in the Eucharist. I think this was done on purpose and has lessened the Sacramental aspect in people's minds. I agree, those who do not believe in the True Presence, also don't care a fig whether Mass is in the local language or Latin. Yes, God bless them for at least showing up to Mass, at least they still attend Mass, bc they know that to not attend on Sunday is a sin. I also think as you say the newer priests in some cases are more conservative, may be this will also lead them to teaching the truth from the pulpit, because yes, the average Catholic has not been well taught. I think though that this ties in with the role of lay persons
distributing communion. It is a privilege of the ordained, too many priestly duties are being coopted by those outside the priesthood, and priests have been emasculated.

The case of poor catechesis brings us both to homeschooling. My objection to Hahn/Hasson is their work in NACHE which
promotes guidelines for homeschoolers which push homeschoolers into the poor parish catechetical programs which are ommitting knowledge of the Faith which should be passed on, while at the same time in many cases pushing sex ed right in the religion books. These things are wrong, there are encyclicals, canon laws, and papers from Rome which point out that it is the parents duty to teach the children sex ed, or to supervise the content of the program. Time and again you have a Cardinal, a Bishop in a position of power in the church, diocesan priests, Church beaurocratic lay people, who deny parents this right, and
cause problems and grief. Furthermore, the people H & H work with also promote the use in Catholic homeschools of
materials which, contrary to Church teaching, are not permeated with Catholic thought. I am not talking here of a course which you may be teaching your children, which is not available within these teachings. I am talking of their book printed by Ignatius Press which makes light of the use of secular and anti Catholic material, while at the same time barely mentioning long time
Catholic homeschooling programs which are available, and further: banning solid and orthodox Catholic homeschool providers from selling their wares at NACHE curriculum fairs, because they (Hahn/Hasson) have disagreements on certain Catholic points of theology. I purchased their book: Catholic Homeschooling Homeward Bound and was supremely disappointed when I sent away for one after another of the resouces they mentioned in the book, only to find, there was not Catholic material coming homeward bound to my home. There is a lot of documentation on this by the Mother's Watch Organization http://www.motherswatch.org/

These are part of my objections to Ignatius Press materials, supporting them by purchasing a book that would be considered non objectionable, enables them to continue to sell books which are contrary to the Faith. Does not make sense to me. I don't want to be an enabler.

These colleges who want the Catholic label, don't want individuals who have read Church history or Church encyclicals, because then they would be publicly chastised as Life Site did when they engage in pro death activity. It is the same for organizations or individuals who promote non Catholic ideology or thought.

42 posted on 12/11/2002 11:33:02 AM PST by Smocker
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I can understand what you're saying about reception of the Holy Eucahrist in the hand possibly being a cause of the reduction in the number of folks who don't believe in the Real Presence, but I don't necessarily agree. I think it was the horrible catechetical programs over the last 30 yrs. which has done that. I had to go to a public high school because our Catholic high school closed, and thus had to attend CCD classes. I endured the 9th and 10th grade classes, and actually enjoyed the 11th grade class because the teacher was a man from the Parish who had attended the Seminary briefly in high school, and was a faithful Catholic. In the 12th gr. the class was, once again, a waste of time, so my Mama let me stop going.

I have educated myself in my adulthood about the Faith, though my basic understanding is what I learned up to the 8th gr. in Catholic School. Maybe it is a regional thing (the Northeast has some STRANGE Catholics), but I am continually having to educate my adult friends on what the Church teaches. That includes folks who went to Catholic School thru the 12 gr. and attended Catholic colleges! It is appalling!

43 posted on 12/11/2002 10:14:50 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Polycarp
Here's the email I sent to the newspaper, alumni orgs, and several other people at my mala mater, Boston College:

To the Editor,

As an alumnus of Boston College (A&S '93), I recall that the university was still ostensibly Catholic when I attended, now nearly 10 years ago. Recently, I have been made aware that Boston College now provides on its web site the phone number of the local branch of Planned Parenthood. If you are incredulous about this, as I was, just have a look:

http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/svp/house/offcampus/phone.htm

Lest we forget, Planned "Barrenhood" is that same nefarious organization that promotes such "Catholic" values as abortion, birth control, and sexual adventurism of all kinds, even among children. We should also keep in mind that this purveyor of death is a major player in the big-money abortion industry and actively supports such Culture of Death organizations as "Catholics for a Free Choice," -- an agit-prop group that is attempting to have the Vatican removed from the United Nations.

Now I ask you: why is the phone number for this horribly anti-Catholic organization being provided on the web site of an ostensibly Catholic university? It should be removed post-haste lest BC lose whatever remaining shred of credibility it has among those of us who managed to remain Catholic after passing through.

Sincerely,

Antoninus
44 posted on 12/12/2002 11:20:56 AM PST by Antoninus
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Bada-bing! A couple days later, and the Planned Barrenhood number on the BC site is el-gone-o! Let's hear it for Pro-life activism! For the record, here's the Google cache of the original site before the change:

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45 posted on 12/12/2002 11:30:12 AM PST by Antoninus
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