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Hollywood Appeasers: Another "peace" coalition by a bunch of left-leaning celebs but with a twist
FrontPageMagazine.com ^ | December 11, 2002 | Paul Bond

Posted on 12/11/2002 5:05:43 AM PST by SJackson

Actors Mike Farrell, Matt Damon and Martin Sheen do not want the United States to go to war with Iraq.

Therefore, along with 97 other celebrities, they have formed a group called Artists United to Win Without War.

What the public didn't see at their Tuesday press conference is far more significant than the formation of yet another peace coalition by a bunch of left-leaning celebrities like Jessica Lange, Anjelica Huston and Elliott Gould.

What that significant development is, is the healthy dose of skepticism displayed by the mainstream press at Tuesday’s well-covered Hollywood event.

But first, the group’s statement, scheduled to appear soon in select newspapers:

"War talk in Washington is alarming and unnecessary.

"We are patriotic Americans who share the belief that Saddam Hussein cannot be allowed to possess weapons of mass destruction. We support rigorous United Nations weapons inspections to assure Iraq’s effective disarmament.

"However, a preemptive military invasion of Iraq will harm American national interests. Such a war will increase human suffering, arouse animosity toward our country, increase the likelihood of terrorist attacks, damage the economy, and undermine our moral standing in the world. It will make us less, not more, secure.

"We reject the doctrine – a reversal of long-held American tradition – that our country, alone, has the right to launch first-strike attacks.

"The valid U.S. and U.N. objective of disarming Saddam Hussein can be achieved through legal diplomatic means. There is no need for war. Let us instead devote our resources to improving the security and well-being of people here at home and around the world."

Now for the significance.

An NBC reporter immediately set a skeptical tone for the spirited question and answer session, asking group co-chair Farrell if Artists United to Win Without War isn’t made up of celebrities who were also against the Gulf War a decade ago. Wouldn’t the world be an even more dangerous place if Hussein was not ousted from Kuwait and U.N inspectors weren’t brought in to Iraq back then?

The deft former star of M*A*S*H* said he would have preferred it had the elder President Bush explored "options short of war" before expelling Hussein from Kuwait.

Then Sheen was asked by a couple of reporters why it is that President Bush would threaten war against Iraq if Hussein presented little or no threat to the U.S.

"I don’t know if we’ll ever get the whole truth from this administration – about anything," he answered.

Pressed again as to the president’s motives, Sheen attributed them to mere family pride. "I think he’d like to hand his father Saddam Hussein’s head," Sheen said.

Then there was this exchange between a reporter and Sheen:

"Would you like to see Saddam Hussein overthrown?" the reporter asked.

"I don’t know what you mean," Sheen answered.

"Removed from power," said the reporter.

"I don’t even know what that means," Sheen said.

The undaunted reporter pressed on. "Regime change," he explained.

"I’d like to see that come from the Iraqis, not the Americans," Sheen finally conceded.

Not wanting the other reporters to have all the fun, I asked if, assuming our military were to overthrow Hussein quickly and with few casualties, and then Iraqi citizens were shown dancing in the streets and praising America for liberating them from a torturous dictator, would the Artists United to Win Without War rethink their position? Would they consider they might be wrong, and say so publicly?

Sheen offered, "I’m always open to the possibility that I’m wrong."

The bulk of the answer, though, came from Farrell, who made the point that, just because some Iraqis might applaud such a removal of Hussein, doesn’t make it the right thing to do.

"The idea that somehow the end justifies the means, as you’re suggesting, is exactly contrary to the principles on which this country was founded," Farrell said.

"The idea you suggest, forgive me, is an inappropriate one," he scolded.

The best bit of levity came at the close of the hour-long event. It had been suggested by some of the dozen celebrities in attendance that Artists United to Win Without War was nonpartisan.

Asked to name a Republican among the group, Farrell claimed there were some, but quipped, "I don’t want to out them."

In a room full of skeptical reporters who clearly were not there to rubber-stamp Hollywood’s latest political effort, the very revealing joke went over quite well.


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To: SJackson
Hey Martin Sheen is President. If Mike Farrell doesn't want to go to war and patch our wounded up he should complain to him.
51 posted on 12/11/2002 6:45:52 AM PST by beaversmom
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To: conservativemusician
Gee, do ya think we'll get on the news?LOL

Of course!

We'll just let our press agents handle it!
(/sarcasm)

52 posted on 12/11/2002 6:46:48 AM PST by Publius6961
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To: freeperfromnj
She was wearing intellectual glasses and "acted" like she knew what she was talking about.
53 posted on 12/11/2002 6:50:05 AM PST by beaversmom
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To: MNChestyPuller
Vincent D’Onofrio

Damn it!

I'm still going to watch "Law and Order: Criminal Intent" though. His character is pro-war :-)

55 posted on 12/11/2002 6:52:09 AM PST by Hawkeye's Girl
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To: MNChestyPuller
Thanks for the list, I was trying to piece ont together, not very successfully. Did they have a website by any chance, or a breakdown by shows?
56 posted on 12/11/2002 6:53:34 AM PST by SJackson
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To: freeperfromnj
I saw her "comedy" act some years back on HBO or some other premium channel. What a hateful, spiteful, cynical little b!tch she is. And I don't mean that in a good way to paraphrase Dom Irrera. She was also in the news in the past year with an extreme anti-American rant going on about what a horrible country is the U.S. The fact that a no-talent leftist female jackass like her can make millions with the paucity of gifts she has makes a mockery of her views.
57 posted on 12/11/2002 6:53:52 AM PST by driftless
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To: LibWhacker
why is O'Reilly putting them on?

Hopefully so they can make fools of themselves. I must say he wasn't all that tough on them. A couple of the names on the list were disappointing to see, like Bonnie Rait and the Little House on the Prairie actress. Just have to add them to my boycott list. Pretty soon there won't be anyone in Hollywood worth buying a ticket to see. They are stupid enough to think they can survive with just a liberal audience. Good to see West Wing's ratings going down the tube.

58 posted on 12/11/2002 6:54:46 AM PST by freeperfromnj
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
"Elliott Gould...made any good movies lately ? Any movies ?"

I think he had a bit part in the George Clooney remake of "Ocean 11" ... at least, it looked like him in the advertisements on TV just before the release of that movie.

59 posted on 12/11/2002 6:55:15 AM PST by BlueLancer
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To: driftless
What a hateful, spiteful, cynical little b!tch she is.

That's an exact description of how she came across on O'Reilly last night.

60 posted on 12/11/2002 6:58:03 AM PST by freeperfromnj
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To: SJackson
...they have formed a group called Artists United to Win Without War.

Would it be un-PC to suggest that we refer to them as 'Target-Rich Environment'? How about 'Big Bundle O'Traitors', available at Sam's Club?

Sorry if that sounds over the top. I don't have a problem with anti-war protests per se, but in this case I believe regime change is unquestionably necessary, and I believe that these wacko celebrities are using their fame to act like they know more about national security than our own leadership. Maybe if Clinton were in power they would be justified, but they seem to have forgotten that President Bush (with help from other countries, granted) liberated Afghanistan.

I'm too mad to type any more coherently, so I'll leave it at that.

61 posted on 12/11/2002 6:59:09 AM PST by TrappedInLiberalHell
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To: SJackson
The one skill you must have to be an actor is the ability to lie convincingly. Other than that, the job is lacking in skill.

Ask yourself the following question: What profession can a 10 year old master and receive critical acclaim for on a national stage?

Any 10 year old doctors at the top of their profession? Any 10 year old rocket scientist? Engineers? Journalist? Writers? Teachers? Garbage collectors? Fast food store managers? Waitresses? Nope. All those professions require skill.

Ten year old actors? Yes, when the only skill involved is the ability to lie convincingly is it any wonder these people looked up to Bill Clinton, democrats and other well known liars? How credible should actors be off the stage? Do their thought on war matter more than other citizens of their skill level?

Actors carry no more weight when it comes to their "feelings" about war than any other citizen. And a case can be made that excellent liars opinions should carry less weight.

62 posted on 12/11/2002 6:59:33 AM PST by GOPJ
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To: beaversmom
She was wearing intellectual glasses and "acted" like she knew what she was talking about.

Right. The Banfield look. What every happened to her?

63 posted on 12/11/2002 6:59:50 AM PST by freeperfromnj
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To: Hawkeye's Girl
That was my first reaction, too - I can't give up "Law and Order: Criminal Intent."

Anything but that!
64 posted on 12/11/2002 7:00:22 AM PST by EllaMinnow
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To: SJackson
Would you like to see Saddam Hussein overthrown?" the reporter asked.

"I don’t know what you mean," Sheen answered.

"Removed from power," said the reporter.

"I don’t even know what that means," Sheen said.

The undaunted reporter pressed on. "Regime change," he explained.
________________________

Brilliant! Sign this guy up for a cabinet position. Geeze, and they claim Bush is dumb!

65 posted on 12/11/2002 7:00:51 AM PST by Charlie OK
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To: SJackson; All
The one skill you must have to be an actor is the ability to lie convincingly. Other than that, the job is lacking in skill.

Ask yourself the following question: What profession can a 10 year old master and receive critical acclaim for on a national stage?

Any 10 year old doctors at the top of their profession? Any 10 year old rocket scientist? Engineers? Journalist? Writers? Teachers? Garbage collectors? Fast food store managers? Waitresses? Nope. All those professions require skill.

Ten year old actors? Yes, when the only skill involved is the ability to lie convincingly is it any wonder these people looked up to Bill Clinton, democrats and other well known liars? How credible should actors be off the stage? Do their thought on war matter more than other citizens of their skill level?

Actors carry no more weight when it comes to their "feelings" about war than any other citizen. And a case can be made that excellent liars opinions should carry less weight.

66 posted on 12/11/2002 7:01:12 AM PST by GOPJ
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To: SJackson
This is the exact reason why we conservatives should not support the movies these creeps make and their advertisers etc. It's time to boycott Hollywood and make our affect known!
67 posted on 12/11/2002 7:02:53 AM PST by Lucky2
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Actors Mike Farrell, Matt Damon and Martin Sheen ...

Please, don't insult the Three Stooges that way.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

68 posted on 12/11/2002 7:09:45 AM PST by section9
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To: All
One of the actors is Laurence Fishburne (Morpheus).

How many plan on boycotting the next two Matrix movies?

69 posted on 12/11/2002 7:10:03 AM PST by avg_freeper
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To: MNChestyPuller
Where are Charlie Sheen and Emelio Estevez? Daddy must be letting them off the tether.
70 posted on 12/11/2002 7:11:33 AM PST by Dionysius
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To: SJackson
Pressed again as to the president’s motives, Sheen attributed them to mere family pride. "I think he’d like to hand his father Saddam Hussein’s head," Sheen said.

Don't these people read or listen to true experts? Why doesn't Sheen pick up a copy of Laurie Mylroie's book The War Against America: Saddam Hussein and the World Trade Center Attacks: A Study of Revenge?

She makes the case quite convincingly that Saddam is tied to the first WTC bombing as well as other terrorist attacks against us over the past few years.

Sheesh, Sheen, get a clue!

71 posted on 12/11/2002 7:13:04 AM PST by texasbluebell
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To: SJackson
And I find it interesting that during WWII, it seemed all of Hollywood jumped on board to do their part in the war effort. Carole Lombard even lost her life while on a war bonds tour.

And yet we have such exemplary characters there today who wouldn't lift a finger to help out the country that has been so good to them.

72 posted on 12/11/2002 7:15:55 AM PST by texasbluebell
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To: Charlie OK
"Geeze, and they claim Bush is dumb!"

Excellent point, actually.

Why would anyone give a rat's *ss what a freakin' ACTOR thinks about anything REAL?!?

Listen up, America! : These Hollywood people live in a fake world! FAKE!

They're not really Presidents and doctors and heroes and stuff...they're actors.

And mostly p*ss-poor ones, at that!

People. they're actors. It is to weep.

73 posted on 12/11/2002 7:17:03 AM PST by headsonpikes
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To: headsonpikes
Why would anyone give a rat's *ss what a freakin' ACTOR thinks about anything REAL?!? Listen up, America! : These Hollywood people live in a fake world! FAKE!

People were smarter in the past, I think. Once upon a time, actors were considered mad, and were shunned by decent folk. Those days sadly are behind us.

74 posted on 12/11/2002 7:20:49 AM PST by texasbluebell
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To: SJackson
O'Reilly reported that Clint Eastwood and Harrison Ford were asked to sign but refused.
75 posted on 12/11/2002 7:23:05 AM PST by nonliberal
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To: banjo joe
When Farrell joined "MASH" the show jumped the shark. He was simply NOT FUNNY! The scripts descended into maudlin activism. Alda and Farrell became everyone's consciense (gag me!)and patriotism was held out to ridicule.
76 posted on 12/11/2002 7:26:03 AM PST by Dionysius
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To: headsonpikes
Sheen did sound pretty presidential during the exchange with that reporter. Very Clintoonish if you ask me.

"It depends on what your definition of 'regime change' is..."

77 posted on 12/11/2002 7:27:36 AM PST by Charlie OK
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To: MNChestyPuller
Going over the list...most are no surprise at all although some are. I watch so little boycotting them would be somewhat redundant for me.
78 posted on 12/11/2002 7:28:19 AM PST by xp38
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To: All
et tu, Chester. Did you learn nothing from Marshall Dillon?
79 posted on 12/11/2002 7:29:31 AM PST by altura
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To: conservativemusician
Martin Sheen? Excuse me but , wasn't it he that referred to our President as a "white knuckled drunk"?

I'll never forget that he did that. And funny, but I think Sheen is actually the white-knuckled drunk.

80 posted on 12/11/2002 7:34:12 AM PST by texasbluebell
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To: MNChestyPuller
Anyone else notice that these are all B list drones? I think there might be 10 Oscars in the whole bunch. This just re-enforces my hypothesis that Leftists grow old without actually maturing. Think of how much fun it would be to get paid WAY too much money, just to play "Pretend".

Farrell got to play pretend doctor, and at the end of the day he washed food dye and Karo syrup off his hands and got to go home without having to be concerned about how many people he killed. What's worse, he honestly believes he has done something so exceptional, so creative, so critical, that it is worth the money he's being paid.

He's what I call an Otto, from 'A Fish Called Wanda'. Aristotle was Belgian, the London Underground is a political movement. Monkeys and actors read philosophy, they just don't understand it.

81 posted on 12/11/2002 7:36:08 AM PST by jonascord
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To: MNChestyPuller
Okay, thanks a lot for posting the whole list of these useful idiots.

Of those names, I recognize only about half, and the ones I do recognize are not surprising here. It's sad though to see that they rounded up a couple of military people, and no surprise on that ambassador, Peck. He never fails to defend the clintoon regime when I've heard him interviewed.

82 posted on 12/11/2002 7:41:22 AM PST by texasbluebell
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To: texasbluebell
Hate to say it, but in fact Carole Lombard was a way-left actress who FDR loved because she made such a big public display of how much she supported the progressive income tax and other socialist economic schemes. Actors have always been largely leftists, it's just that they at least used to have the sense to keep their opinions to themselves. Myrna Loy, Charles Laughton, John Garfield -- Hollywood has long been full of them. Oh, I loved seeing William Schallert's name on this list -- he played Patty Duke's father on "The Patty Duke Show" and was President of the Screen Actors Guild. I met him once at a memorabilia show -- one of the worst shoe-polish hair dye jobs this side of Tim McCarver!!
83 posted on 12/11/2002 7:45:14 AM PST by speedy
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To: avg_freeper
How many plan on boycotting the next two Matrix movies?

That's brutal.

84 posted on 12/11/2002 7:51:48 AM PST by Semaphore Heathcliffe
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To: jonascord
He's what I call an Otto, from 'A Fish Called Wanda'.

One of the all-time funniest movie characters.
HIM: BLAM BLAM BLAM
HER: What are you doing!?
HIM: I'm thinking!

85 posted on 12/11/2002 7:57:27 AM PST by Semaphore Heathcliffe
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To: Semaphore Heathcliffe
I'm beginning to think they must be turkeys anyway, or they would've released one of them by now.
86 posted on 12/11/2002 7:58:20 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: SJackson
(On "celebrities" opinions being special):

Homer Simpson: "TV said that? Now I don't know who to believe!"
87 posted on 12/11/2002 8:00:35 AM PST by SerpentDove
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To: MNChestyPuller
THANK YOU!

What a list of idiots this is and where is Barbra?
88 posted on 12/11/2002 8:01:04 AM PST by grammymoon
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To: speedy
Well, I never knew Lombard's political leanings, but at least she did her part and wasn't divisive the way this current crop are. And you're right, they used to have the sense to keep their politics to themselves. I know they have a right to their opinions and all, but I'm so tired of these people now trying to influence others. Most of them are as uneducated as toads.
89 posted on 12/11/2002 8:02:30 AM PST by texasbluebell
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To: SJackson
Yep, I have to fully agree that Sheen was the perfect candidate for West Wing (although it should have been called Left Wing), given the objective of the show. Who better to portray a Clinton-like character as an effective and patriotic president?

It is really a shame that Socialist celebs, with no knowledge of the real world, and nothing sort of disdain for the population are given such importance on issues they know nothing about!


MARK A SITY
http://www.logic101.net/
90 posted on 12/11/2002 8:03:12 AM PST by logic101.net
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To: avg_freeper; All
I'm disappointed, if not surprised, to see a few Star Trek actors on there.

avg_freeper: How many plan on boycotting the next two Matrix movies?

I couldn't stand the first one.

91 posted on 12/11/2002 8:04:27 AM PST by Celtjew Libertarian
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To: grammymoon
Artists United to Win Without War

She must've objected to the win part.

92 posted on 12/11/2002 8:05:10 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker
that's a shame, but you're probably right. Numbah One was a classic, even with the Emoting Totem Pole as lead actor.
93 posted on 12/11/2002 8:07:20 AM PST by Semaphore Heathcliffe
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To: MNChestyPuller
>>Ed O’Neill <<

AL BUNDY IS AGAINST THIS?

SAY IY AIN'T SO!!!!
94 posted on 12/11/2002 8:09:08 AM PST by SerpentDove
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To: SJackson
"I don’t know if we’ll ever get the whole truth from this administration – about anything," he answered.

Gawd, he can say this with a straight face after eight years of the Clinton administration, which NEVER gave a straight answer about anything, including the time of day!

What a bunch of weenies. I think Martin Sheen is suffering from an identity crisis - he really thinks he is President.
95 posted on 12/11/2002 8:13:08 AM PST by Rummyfan
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To: SJackson
MOCK THE FOOLS IN SONG
96 posted on 12/11/2002 8:15:31 AM PST by doug from upland
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To: LibWhacker
Not fair to Benedict Arnold .. at least he DID do some good for the cause of the Revolution, and was brilliant. Same cannot be said of Farrell, et al.
97 posted on 12/11/2002 8:16:23 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: freeperfromnj
Right. The Banfield look. What every happened to her?

I haven't seen her since Khandhar. You think maybe some Taliban holdouts got her!?!

98 posted on 12/11/2002 8:26:54 AM PST by beaversmom
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To: SerpentDove
>>Ed O’Neill << AL BUNDY IS AGAINST THIS? SAY IY AIN'T SO!!!!

Hugh Hewitt was really upset that Dennis Weaver was on the list--must be one of his favorites.

99 posted on 12/11/2002 8:31:43 AM PST by beaversmom
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To: SJackson
This is where they lurk.

http://www.moveon.org/artistswinwithoutwar
100 posted on 12/11/2002 8:43:06 AM PST by MNChestyPuller
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