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Yellowstone is Dying
http://www.propertyrightsresearch.org/yellowstone_is_dying.htm ^ | June 1, 2002 | Robert Fanning, Jr.

Posted on 12/11/2002 12:33:07 PM PST by Delphinium

Yellowstone is Dying: An Affidavit/Article to Secretary of Interior Gail Norton presented on our behalf by United States Senator Conrad Burns

June 1, 2002

By Robert Fanning, Jr.

This article is in "Range Magazine" in this months edition, I wrote it and request that you post it, wolf recovery is about land and business confiscation.

The issue 20 or 30 years ago was whether to have wolves introduced into the Yellowstone Ecosystem. That is no longer the issue; NOW, the issue is how many wolves and who decides.

Wolf recovery targets the common man, the poor and the voiceless. The enclosed copywritten article was researched thoroughly for 4 years by me and cost $20,000 in consulting biologist fees. Exclusive, poignant, up to the minute photography and video are available to accompany this manuscript. Several television crews are in the area preparing broadcasts on this subject matter to be broadcast this fall.

"Yellowstone is Dying: An Affidavit/Article to Secretary of Interior Gail Norton presented on our behalf by United States Senator Conrad Burns"

I live on a horse ranch in the foothills of the Absaroka Mountains 25 miles north of Yellowstone National Park. I exercise my horses and myself in the mountains everyday year round. When I observe and participate in nature it is with the eye of a big game hunter and biology major, I received my degree from the University of Notre Dame, back in the early 1970s. In those days ecology was a science, now it has become a religion.

I've noticed a change in those mountains over the past 7 years, and I'm certain if the American people had any idea what was going on in Yellowstone and the surrounding area, they would be appalled and very angry. Prior to wolf introduction in 1995, there were 19,500 elk in the great northern Yellowstone elk herd, over 300 big horn sheep in the ten square miles around Gardiner, Montana, abundant moose, antelope and mule deer. Now we have fewer than 10,000 elk and 40 big horn sheep. Montana state moose biologist Kurt Alt tells us the moose are all but wiped out, the National Academy of Science in its' March 2002 report tells us that the antelope population is a small fraction of what it was. A Montana Game Warden north of Yellowstone Park tells us the mule deer population is also in real trouble. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Wolf Project Coordinator admits in the press that there are 560 wolves and 150 pups this year with anywhere between 34 to 46 breeding pairs depending on your definition of breeding pair. The Project Coordinator himself, Ed Bangs says, "There are too many wolves." Despite intense public pressure to delist and control wolves, the outlook for delisting in Montana, Idaho and Wyoming is very bleak. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife now wants to hold us hostage until Arizona, New Mexico, Oregon, Washington, and Colorado gets a good healthy dose of wolves.

Wolf introduction has become a big business. Defenders of Wildlife alone raise over $16,000,000 a year tax-free. Sending bulk mail to urban soccer moms with crosshairs on a wolf puppy telling them to send money to save wolves from being poisoned and their babies from being clubbed to death in their dens by the mean old ranchers. They never mentioned that the mean old rancher that would do this would be convicted of a felony and face a $100, 000 fine and a year in federal prison for violating the Endangered Species Act.

Wolf recovery is also big business for biologists. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service has created a huge bureaucracy originally formed to introduce 78-100 wolves in Yellowstone Park, but now expanded to put wolves into any rural area in America where there is an agricultural or hunting culture. If you can't make money in spotted owls, then get into wolves, the DOT.com job for biologists.

Lawyers, especially lawyers, love wolves too! Environmental organizations like Defenders of Wildlife, the Sierra Club; National Wildlife Federation have legal departments that rival IBM and GM in size. They are financially motivated to sue over ESA issues. The Federal court system, according to Kris Nolan, Esq. USFWS routinely awards them fees and costs if they are the catalysts for legal action and win. What kind of lawyers like wolves? Ted Turner hosted 140 lawyers from the "Earth Justice League" at a resort a couple of miles from my home. One out of six called ahead and ordered a "vegan" diet which excludes any animal or fish product. I have no problem with their diet, just when they use the judicial system to impose it on the rest of us.

The organization I formed in 1999 has 3742 members, most of whom live in the area just north of Yellowstone. We have been calling attention to the total annihilation of our game herds for 4 years now and were roundly criticized as alarmists and extremists as the wolf recovery team assured the public through the dutiful press, that the elk herd which acts as a buffer between predators and our cattle industry was in fine shape. Eventually our cries for help were heard this year by the Chair and Vice Chair of the Montana House Fish and Wildlife and Parks Committee, Dan Fuchs and Joe Balyeat. Both senior lawmakers accuse the wolf bureaucracy of a cover-up. They came down to count the ratios of calf to cow elk themselves. We went into the field and came up with a ratio of cow elk to last years surviving calves of 12 per hundred. This statistic was verified by the National Park Service survey that was released shortly there after. The 23-year average that proceeded wolf recovery was 33 calves per hundred cows. The fur started flying in our State Legislature and in the Montana press when Carrie Schaeffer of Michigan Tech University, working under Dr. Rolf Peterson did a study that came to surface in 1998-1999, and was made public in March 2002. She counted 4600 head of elk. This was huge scientific sampling. She concluded that the calf to cow (elk) ratio was zero to ten per hundred, confirming our assertions over the past four years that a biological crisis of catastrophic proportions had been going on. Yellowstone Park knew of the Schaeffer study, withheld the information from the American public in order to protect their wolf bureaucracy, and intentionally lied to the press for 4 solid years. The decision to suppress scientific information was made at the top by Glenn Plumb, Yellowstone's' supervisory biologist.

When wolf recovery was proposed in 1988, Congress appropriated monies to study the proposed experiment. Congress instructed those who made the request to introduce wolves that: hunting should not be hurt, the local economy should not be hurt, and the Grizzly Bear should not be impacted. With these marching orders from Congress, a team of 15 Ph. D's who specialized in Predator/Prey biology came back and published "Wolves for Yellowstone? A Report to Congress and the Department of Interior Vol. 1" in 1991." They said the 250 square miles in and around Yellowstone could hold 78-100 wolves at full capacity if it was done over a 10-20 year period. This esteemed body of scientists insisted in 1991 and again in September 1995, because no one knew for sure what impact a new keystone predator would have on the unadapted prey species, that intensive monitoring of the prey should be done, otherwise the Yellowstone Ecosystem would be forever and irreparably harmed. (See P. 11 Peterson, Gassaway & Messier report to DOI dated 9/95) America deserves to know who authorized the wolf recovery team to ignore the Delphi 15. Yellowstone Park and the wolf recovery team admitted in the Bozeman Chronicle in the winter of 2000 that these studies were not done each year citing bad weather, lack of funding, lack of equipment, and lack of qualified personnel.

America deserves to know why the mandated studies were not done. We in Montana, Idaho, and Wyoming have jumped through hoop after hoop trying to get the wolf delisted from the List of Endangered Species so we can manage this destructive predator and prolific breeder ourselves.

Like Islam has been hijacked by extremists, environmental organizations have been hijacked by extremists. They now threaten to terrorize us with their biological weapon the wolf. We can look forward to being tied up in court for eternity if we try and delist the wolf as an endangered specie from it's undeserved protected status as; "experimental non-essential". The ultimate strategy is to buy more time for this predator to breed at a 34% rate per year. Each wolf eats a biomass of at least 25 Elk per year; not counting the surplus killing of elk calves. We now have at least 720 wolves; and in 3 short years we could easily be at 1732. This means 43,300 elk per year are going to be fed to wolves without any new replacement calves. Since Montana, according to the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation only has 130,000 elk, it wont be long until the wolf turns its attention to beef cattle, in a degree much larger than is already occurring.

Chris Smith, Chief of Staff for Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks stated May 31, 2002, to the press after hearing the U.S. Fish Wildlife service presentation regarding delisting the wolf "this will be tied up in political and legal knots for years to come."

Our only hope in Montana and the other affected states is asserting our sovereignty over our land and natural resources. I know that if I were elected Governor of Montana in '04, I would set an agenda that would take our state, its land and its natural resources (of which wildlife is one) back from Federal Agencies and the environmental extremist organizations who have imposed their political agendas on us. Burdensome Federal interference and regulation has cost Montana jobs, tax revenue and impedes growth and development, placing it near the bottom (46) state economies.

It is grossly unfair that the livestock operator has to wait for a delisting that may never occur. It is a violation of the 5th amendment and its "takings" clause to turn these uncontrolled predators on his stock without compensation, going to bed each night wondering how much he will lose through the night. John Paul Hubbard, a rancher, bordering Yellowstone Park estimates that since wolves have been introduced in 1995, has lost in excess of $100,000 but cannot prove his losses. Montana Stock Growers tell us that they believe that contrary to what the wolf recovery people admit to, wolf depredation of livestock in Montana is 500% to 700% more, but again losses cannot be proven.

The wolf is a nocturnal hunter, the "blood on the paws" policy of reimbursement places the burden of proof on the livestock producer. The heavy burden of identifying the ACTUAL PREDATOR rests squarely on the shoulders of the livestock producer. Just think about it, a criminal breaks into your home and kills a loved one and you are obliged to prove their guilt to law enforcement. There are a lot of criminals doing life in prison after a weaker standard of evidence was presented at their trial. The Endangered Species Act of 1973 specifically forbids the act be used for economic or social reasons. The predator Program should be acknowledged for what it is; a biological means to undercut the Taylor Grazing act, destroy the ranching business, and confiscate land when those businesses fail. Sounds like a conspiracy theory? You be the judge.

Mike Phillips, the movie star handsome, media savvy biologist who introduced the wolf into Yellowstone Park in 1995 spoke to a group of 600 people from 44 states and 24 countries in Duluth, MN. On February 24, 2000. He said the goal of wolf introduction was to drive 30,000 ranchers from public lands. His power point presentation was video taped by the University of Minnesota and the International Wolf Center, Ely, Minnesota reported 2/25/00 on Page A20 of the "Minnesota Star Tribune," and the May edition of "Wyoming Agricultural." Three of "Friends of The Northern Yellowstone Elk Herd" paid $206 to attend. Bob Hanson a retired investment banker memorialized the remarks in affidavit form. Now, fully realizing the implication of making those remarks in a public forum Phillips vehemently denies he made them. Mike Phillips and former Yellowstone National Park Superintendent, Mike Findley now work for Ted Turners' Endangered Species Fund, an organization that vigorously promotes wolves. Turner is a self-described socialist and Americas' largest private landowner. The public has a right to know why former Yellowstone National Park Superintendent ignored Congress' instructions and the warnings given by Delphi 15. Only a Congressional investigation will be able to determine whether or not there was a Quid Pro Quo exchanging jobs for our wildlife, achieving a political end.

The American people apparently agreed with the early premise of wolf recovery into Yellowstone Park, and have learned to love wolves as featured on nature programs. They are entitled to know both sides of the story, not just the side that would be told by Aldo Leopold. Aldo Leopold, conservationist and bio-ethicist was born in 1887, the dawn of Theodore Roosevelt's conservation movement. At that time game herds, predators and natural resources were decimated to the point of crisis. Leopold wrote "you cannot love the game but hate the predators. You can regulate them, but not abolish them." Wolf recovery advocates aspire to be apostles of Leopold. L. David Mech, the wolf biologist, for the past thirty years is his best-known disciple. Mech wrote in his book "The Wolf," that, "unfortunately, there still exists in certain elements of human society an attitude that any animal (except man) that kills another is a murderer ... To these people, the wolf is a most undesirable creature," fostering an attitude of us versus them, he went on to write "these people cannot be changed." If the wolf is to survive the wolf haters must be out numbered. They must be out financed, and out voted." You're either a wolf hater or you're in complete agreement with their science, values, press releases, tactics and philosophy. This leaves those of us who live in wolf country following the revolution in quite a dilemma. How do you clean up the mess made by zealots who overreached and exceeded the instructions of Congress and the parameters set by their own PH.D.s, known as the Delphi 15. What Mech forgot to mention is that since 1937, when the Pittman Robertson Act began collecting $6 billion from sportsmen, that Americas' game herds are in the best shape ever. Despite this fact, wolf advocates who want to feed our wildlife to their wolves are convinced that they and only they should have the exclusive say in Leopolds' version of regulation. When wolf advocates control the regulatory process, agendas and values that are anti-ranching, anti-property rights, and anti-hunting can be implemented.

Anyone who questions them is an enemy to be marginalized, attacked and diminished as in extremists, alarmists, or just plain ignorant. It is this exclusion from the adaptive management process, this arbitrary, arrogant, self-righteousness that has polarized people in the Greater Yellowstone ecosystem, brought law abiding citizens to the verge of civil disobedience and laid the ground work for what is commonly known as the "war for the west." What is the root of all this distrust?

Drs. Taylor and Walters warned in July 1989 in a report to YNP and the Dept. of Interior of the potential for major conflict arising from wolf introduction. They called for thoughtful interaction among scientists, wildlife managers (state and federal) and resources users (ranchers and hunters). They concluded that "to introduce wolves before adaptive management has reached maturity and consensus would be irresponsible." Needless to say these warnings and recommendations not only went unheeded, but anyone who was not in the wolf introduction camp; livestock interests, state legislatures, fish and game authorities, outside scientists with a different opinion, or hunting interests, were systematically excluded from the process and routinely lied to.

It is because of this premeditated exclusion that our wildlife in Montana, Wyoming and Idaho have been decimated and our livestock industry which relies on the wildlife as a buffer between predators is at great risk due to uncontrolled predators, especially that prolific breeder, who has no natural predators, the wolf.

Why in this time of national peril that follows the tragedy of 9/11 are we not unified in our democratic republic when our survival depends on it? In my view it is for one reason, it is over a theory, the theory of Natural Regulation. Remember that once there was a theory that the earth was flat. The theory of Natural Regulation is just as invalid, just as flawed and just as widely accepted as the flat earth theory was in the dark ages. The theory of natural regulation is the philosophical cornerstone of the social engineers in the extreme green movement. Without the theory of natural regulation, wildlife and forest managers would be accountable to the American public and responsible for their actions or inactions. The deep ecology movement has decided that man's presence, participation in, and stewardship of nature is unnatural and all wild places

must be off limits to human activity. It is absolutely essential to those who politicize science in order to make it fit agendas, such as the special interests of environmental groups or that of governmental agencies, i.e., USFWS and NPS, to exclusively control the definition of natural regulation. For example, if forest fires wipe out a third of Yellowstone Park with a holocaust fire like it did in 1988, or wolves kill half the great Northern Yellowstone elk herd, it was just nature doing its' thing. No one to blame, no government jobs lost, no public outcry, no conflicting values from various stakeholders, no outside scientific debate or peer review.

In March 2002, the National Academy of Science made a profound impact that resonates throughout the scientific world. In a report that was dedicated to the study of alleged overgrazing of Yellowstone National Park the esteemed body of scientists categorically refuted the long held belief, that environmental organizations used to justify wolf introduction, that YNP was in crisis from overgrazing.

The highest scientific voice in the land, that rescued water starved ranchers in Klamath, Oregon, stated that the policy adopted by park authorities in 1971 of "Natural Regulation" was invalid and should be abandoned. Imagine how the proponents of the U.N. Wildlands Project or those who believe the entire Yellowstone ecosystem should be turned into a national park must have reacted!

Take away the theory of natural regulations from the social engineers of the deep ecology movement and you have taken away the thing they most rely on, public sentiment that drives funding for their organizations, their lawyers, and political support for their anti-property right, anti-ranching, anti-hunting, anti-second amendment extreme vegan agenda. (For the entire report visit the academies website at www.nationaacademies.org) We can only hope that YNP Superintendent Lewis will hold to her word and "follow the committees' recommendations," especially on page 103 where scientists from NAS advise regarding wolf and game herd management.

"Resolving these conflicts will require all the vision, intellectual capacity, financial resources and goodwill that can be brought to bear on them" We certainly hope so, Ms. Lewis because as this piece is written, we are told that we must rely on wolves naturally regulating their own numbers!

Since the Endangered Species Act has become a vehicle that is undermining the republic and state sovereignty over natural resources, allowing urban majority to impose its' political will on the rural minority, contrary to the intent of the Framers of the Constitution, it must be rewritten with all the affected stakeholders; state wildlife authorities, ranchers, hunters and private property holders at the bargaining table. To this point they have been systematically excluded from the process by the tax-exempt environmental foundations, their legions of lawyers incentivized to file lawsuits, and career bureaucrats who politicize science.

Only when the adaptive management process is followed prior to the listing or introduction of wolves (or any other real or manufactured endangered species) into your state should you even entertain the concept, otherwise you will suffer the same thing we have experienced in the Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem; an unmitigated, unmanageable debacle which has long term implications and unintended consequences associated with this experiment gone horribly wrong with no end in sight.

Copywritten & Submitted for Publication 6/01/02

Robert T. Fanning, Jr., Chairman and Founder

"Friends of the Northern Yellowstone Elk Herd, Inc."

P.O. Box 142

Pray, Mt. 59065

Phone: 406-333-4121

Fax: 406-333-4144

Email: rtfanning@worldnet.att.net


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous; US: Wyoming
KEYWORDS: elk; enviralists; esa; freetrade; hunting; idaho; landgrab; moose; nwo; wolves; yellowstone
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I heard this guy speak last night at a Concerned Sportsman meeting. I am posting this article to educate some of you about how wolves are damaging the environment. It is a long aticle, but worth reading if you care about educating yourself on this issue.
1 posted on 12/11/2002 12:33:07 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: Delphinium
Then hunting is good.
2 posted on 12/11/2002 12:36:05 PM PST by KevinDavis
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To: KevinDavis
No hunting is very bad there, and here. "It is because of this premeditated exclusion that our wildlife in Montana, Wyoming and Idaho have been decimated
3 posted on 12/11/2002 12:42:41 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: Delphinium; Sidebar Moderator
This Article belongs under the topics Montana, Wyoming and Idaho but not every State on the list.
4 posted on 12/11/2002 12:43:04 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: Delphinium
The last I checked, Yellowstone did not cover all fifty states. What's with the topic spam?
5 posted on 12/11/2002 12:44:39 PM PST by Timesink
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To: Timesink
Because it is people from all the other states who need to be educated on this issue. Yellowstone belongs to all of them whether I approve or not.
6 posted on 12/11/2002 12:48:01 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: Delphinium
Minnesota, and Michigan are on the radar as WOLF reintroduction areas.....in fact I believe Minn. already has a few breeding pairs...
7 posted on 12/11/2002 12:51:29 PM PST by Bodacious
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To: Libertarianize the GOP
I don't agree, Yellowstone belongs to all of the states. It is a very important issue that people need to be educated about. Its important to people who care about the enviroment,and the Constitutional rights we are losing. They are using wolves as a means to take away many of our rights.
8 posted on 12/11/2002 12:55:49 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: Delphinium
Wolf stew. Yum.
9 posted on 12/11/2002 12:57:34 PM PST by PoorMuttly
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To: Delphinium
Please , please, may we have some of those wolves for the Northeasr Coast from Boston to DC inclusive. These soccer moms who so love the wolf should be able to see one in their back yard or child's playpen. Wolves roaming central park would certainly do wonders for cleaning up the muggings and other attacks. Wolves would do wonders to clean up the noddedout junkies that make up a large percentage of the so-called homeless. The liberal Eastern Democrats would get a chance to see the effects of the laws they so love.

There are plenty of Deer French poodles liberals and drug abusers who would provide an ample food supply for Mr. Lobo. So let us here in the Northeast have a few of the one's you would like to get rid of. Wolves were once native to these lands its time to bring them back. Of course if the do bring them back here expect the soccer moms to demand that they be hunted to extinction.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

10 posted on 12/11/2002 12:58:42 PM PST by harpseal
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To: Delphinium
Powder..Patch..Ball FIRE!

Wolf hide BUMP!

11 posted on 12/11/2002 1:01:49 PM PST by BallandPowder
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To: Libertarianize the GOP
The came for the Catholics, since I wasn't a Catholic I said nothing, then they came for the Libertarians, since I wasn't a Libertarian.....Get the picture?
12 posted on 12/11/2002 1:03:18 PM PST by bigfootbob
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To: Delphinium
Fits with what I've seen in Yellowstone in recent years. Less and less Elk. You almost never see a Mule Deer any more.

Wolves are impressive animals, but they to need to be controlled.

I wouldn't blame neighboring ranchers for SSS.

13 posted on 12/11/2002 1:08:19 PM PST by Double Tap
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To: Bodacious
http://www.jsonline.com/news/state/nov02/94680.asp
This is a Wisconsin Wolfs article.
14 posted on 12/11/2002 1:11:36 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: Delphinium

Supervolcano - Yellowstone National Park

This may be very significant to the End Days - fire and brimstone in large quantities. In recent years it has been discovered that Yellowstone is one of a few known examples of a supervolcano. These volcanoes erupt only rarely, but with a force at least 1000 times that of ordinary volcanoes.

Try to imagine 1000 volcanoes erupting in the same place at the same time.

A large part of the national park area is a giant crater formed by the last explosion 640,000 years ago. It is so large that it can only be seen from space. It fills most of the area covered by this map.

This has only been discovered in the past few years - I only came across it in a BBC TV Horizon program (I now have a copy of this on video). Check the links at the bottom of this page for the BBC transcript of the film.

It explodes regularly every 600,000 years - in between it is quiet, now it is overdue.

Modern humans did not exist last time this exploded but its effects are known - a herd of fossilized rhinos were found choked to death under the ash layer a thousand miles away. This was the first evidence of the size of the eruptions.

Most of America was buried under several feet of volcanic ash - and there were vast amounts of choking sulfurous gases. This has been going on for at least 10,000,000 years. The craters (calderas) from the last 3 eruptions have been identified and date from 600,000 years, 1,200,000 years and 1,800,000 years.

There is a giant blob of red hot magma 8,000 metres below Yellowstone, it has been building up since the last eruption and is fed from below. It is now 50 Km long, 30 Km wide and 10 Km deep and is full of dissolved gasses at enormous pressure.

The gases are the cause of the explosion that occurs once the eruption is underway - the magma pools below the surface under great pressure. When the steady build up of pressure finally forces a way through to the surface the effect is similar to removing the cork from champagne - the gases suddenly leave the liquid they were dissolved in and blow the liquid out of its container. Once an eruption starts it will accelerate until the whole pool of magma explodes, throwing at least 1000 cubic kilometers of hot material high into the atmosphere.

This is likely to happen soon, the area north of the lake has bulged upwards by almost a metre in 50 years. One side of the lake is creeping into the forest as the land rises. This type of rapid change cannot continue for long without something giving way, every year there are hundreds of small earthquakes.

This map shows earthquakes under the park, which occur daily - and the cumulative pattern reveals the likely size of the next crater.

The last time one of these things exploded is believed to have been 74,000 years ago at Tomba in Sumatra, there is a large lake filling the caldera at present. The program also revealed that other researchers, studying human genetics, had found evidence that humans came close to extinction between 70,000 and 80,000 years ago; the global population suddenly fell to around 5,000 people. This is now thought to be due to the effect on the world's weather due to the dust from the Tomba eruption.

The predicted effects of a Yellowstone eruption are immediate devastation of North America followed by several years of freezing weather for the whole world.

The year 2010 might be indicated in the Bible Code where it says "days of horror, darkness and gloom". This is also the year predicted for the California earthquake.

http://exodus2006.worldonline.co.uk/supervol.html

15 posted on 12/11/2002 1:15:21 PM PST by Logic_3
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To: Bodacious
If you are talking about the timber wolf, Minnesota is not on a reintroduction list. We've always had them and there are a lot of them. I've seen them ice fishing, had them wander around on the inland lake where I have property, and even had one follow me when I was on snowshoes. There are far more than breeding pairs, there are many bona fide packs. There are not difficult to track as they run the hardened snowmobile trails in the winter in pursuit of moose. As far as Michigan is concerned, I am not sure. Northern Wisconsin has had several self-perpetuating packs for years also.
16 posted on 12/11/2002 1:18:23 PM PST by johniegrad
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To: Libertarianize the GOP; Sidebar Moderator
I guess you got your way. You must be a wolf advocate?? Sidebar Moderator thought this was only a Wyoming issue, written by a Montana guy????
17 posted on 12/11/2002 1:23:07 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: Delphinium
Thanks for the LINK.......It's a good read.
18 posted on 12/11/2002 1:23:49 PM PST by Bodacious
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To: johniegrad
One of the problems here is they introduced the Canadian Grey Wolf,(150lbs) never native to this area. We had plenty of native Rocky Mountain Wolves(80lbs) that we dealt with fine. The Canadian wolves wiped out the Rocky Mountain Wolves. They violated the endanger species act.
19 posted on 12/11/2002 1:26:40 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: Double Tap
Wolves are impressive animals, but they to need to be controlled.

Lets go.

20 posted on 12/11/2002 1:30:53 PM PST by oyez
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To: Delphinium
Thanks for posting this. This is of national interest, as YNP is national, more states are being targeted for wolf reintroduction, and as funding for the organizations behind this is solicited on a national basis.
21 posted on 12/11/2002 1:30:54 PM PST by constable tom
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To: constable tom
I heard last night that New York is on the list.
22 posted on 12/11/2002 1:32:06 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: Logic_3
bump for supervolcanoes.
23 posted on 12/11/2002 1:34:35 PM PST by Centurion2000
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To: johniegrad
What kind of bait did they use?
24 posted on 12/11/2002 1:36:42 PM PST by dljordan
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To: Delphinium
btt
25 posted on 12/11/2002 1:52:30 PM PST by Cacique
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To: *Enviralists
http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/bump-list

26 posted on 12/11/2002 1:58:23 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: Double Tap
We are overrun in Kansas with mule deer.
27 posted on 12/11/2002 2:03:15 PM PST by Mercat
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To: Delphinium
Here in Florida the idiocy is with the gators. I think
the first step in becoming a government scientist is
getting a lobotomy.
28 posted on 12/11/2002 2:03:17 PM PST by The Duke
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To: Delphinium; madfly; Thinkin' Gal; babylonian; Avoiding_Sulla; Fred Mertz; shaggy eel; ...
This is a horrendous situation.  The wolves are not just the animal rights and environmental wackos.  They are also the globalists in government who are using those issues for land grabs.  It's Luciferian occultism which is headed towards killing people to make room for animals, and it prefers wolves to sheep just like it prefers warlike murderers instead of peaceful people:

 Gaia: The re-ordering of the world - Part 1

 Sustainable development explained: Joan Veon explains evolution of U.N. global control push - Part 2

 Churches deceived by green extremists: Henry Lamb describes world religion called 'Gaia'

 National Animal Interest Alliance

Madfly: Please bump your list.

29 posted on 12/11/2002 2:03:38 PM PST by 2sheep
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To: Terriergal
ping
30 posted on 12/11/2002 2:07:30 PM PST by shaggy eel
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To: Libertarianize the GOP
The ultimate goal is for the wolves to range from the mexican state of Chihuahua north.

These wolves are dispersing from the northern Rockies ecosystem and have been in the northern cascades for several years and are thought to be in the southern Cascades as well.

One of a dispersing pair was captured in a coyote trap just 2 weeks ago in Utah. This one had a USFWS collar.

31 posted on 12/11/2002 2:08:25 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: blackie; xsrdx; Free the USA; madfly; editor-surveyor; farmfriend
Thought you might be interested in this article.
32 posted on 12/11/2002 2:14:02 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: Delphinium
Between evil snowmobile fumes, evil wolves, and value-neutral supervolcanoes, the old park is slated for destruction at any moment now... Makes one wonder how the place survived for so long before we got interested.
33 posted on 12/11/2002 2:20:14 PM PST by Cleburne
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To: 2sheep
I know it is a very serious situation. Many people ready to take it into their own hands. I really believe all states need to be alerted. I am pretty new to posting articles, so maybe you can tell me why the moderator erased all the states except for Wyoming from the topic list? The reason I post articles like this on freerepublic is to educate those who have been brainwashed with only one side of the story. I am sure that even most of the eastern enviromentalists wackos would like to know what is happening to our elk, amd moose herds?
34 posted on 12/11/2002 2:22:59 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: 2sheep
They are also the globalists in government who are using those issues for land grabs.

That is the real reason I am sure. Would people who really care about wild species kill off some to save one. This Canadian Grey wolf was introduced over the Rocky Mountain wolf, violating the ESA. They have spent years putting out false propaganda, and as you can see from some of the "save the wolves" posts it worked. This is not the only issue I care about, but was shocked after I posted my first anti-wolf article and got so many "leave the beautiful creatures alone" replies.
35 posted on 12/11/2002 2:33:45 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: The Duke
I think the first step in becoming a government scientist is getting a lobotomy.

Unfortunately they aren't that brain dead, #29 has it right, "the globalists in government who are using those issues for land grabs"
36 posted on 12/11/2002 2:39:35 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: Delphinium
>Many people ready to take it into their own hands.

That surprises me, but I have an extremely shortlist of contacts.  I thought most people would just take it and take it and take it.  The much fabled uprising seems pretty fabled at this point.

>I really believe all states need to be alerted. I am pretty new to posting articles, so maybe you can tell me why the moderator erased all the states except for Wyoming from the topic list?

I have no idea why Admin Moderators do what they do.  There should have a "Dear Admin Mod" column on page 1.  From watching who gets banned, I have a clue as to what they really really don't like (boxcars, white U.N. buses, black helicopters, concentration camps and anti-Bush posts), but as to why state names would be pulled, I don't know.

37 posted on 12/11/2002 3:06:09 PM PST by 2sheep
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To: 2sheep
I was surprised, and furious about it. I guess I am kinda a radical.I actually believe in this freedom stuff.
38 posted on 12/11/2002 3:11:53 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: Delphinium; shaggy eel
back in the early 1970s. In those days ecology was a science, now it has become a religion

You got that right!

. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Wolf Project Coordinator admits in the press that there are 560 wolves and 150 pups this year with anywhere between 34 to 46 breeding pairs depending on your definition of breeding pair. The Project Coordinator himself, Ed Bangs says, "There are too many wolves."

HOLY COW!.. er ahem excuse me... but that's a LOT of wolves! Time for a season. I hear they make great coats!

39 posted on 12/11/2002 3:12:37 PM PST by Terriergal
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To: harpseal
hear hear! let's ship the wolves to the east so they can see first hand what happens when a pack kills a deer in their backyard!
40 posted on 12/11/2002 3:13:45 PM PST by Terriergal
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To: PoorMuttly
Wolf stew. Yum.

Got it backwards.

Wear wolf, eat moose.

41 posted on 12/11/2002 3:13:55 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: Logic_3
The program also revealed that other researchers, studying human genetics, had found evidence that humans came close to extinction between 70,000 and 80,000 years ago

Assuming one believes in evolution...

42 posted on 12/11/2002 3:15:20 PM PST by Terriergal
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To: RightWhale
I tried that...but then the moose run away too soon !
43 posted on 12/11/2002 3:15:28 PM PST by PoorMuttly
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To: johniegrad; Bodacious
I saw one as I was driving out of upper MI last winter. Beautiful dark colored one. I know they've been multiplying, people up there who hunt have been seeing more and more of them.
44 posted on 12/11/2002 3:17:01 PM PST by Terriergal
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To: PoorMuttly
hmmmmm...but maybe if I wear more moose, I'd catch more wolf.
45 posted on 12/11/2002 3:17:02 PM PST by PoorMuttly
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To: Terriergal
There were 2000 humans left alive. What's that got to do with evolution? We're about the same now as they were.
46 posted on 12/11/2002 3:21:23 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: oyez
I would love to, but I think I'll use something with a little more punch, thank you.
47 posted on 12/11/2002 3:27:34 PM PST by Double Tap
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To: Mercat
Yep, but that is a long way from Yellowstone National Park. And I doubt you have many wolves around. I'll bet you have plenty of coyotes though.
48 posted on 12/11/2002 3:30:04 PM PST by Double Tap
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To: Delphinium
"I heard last night that New York is on the list."

Ha! They've overstepped their bounds this time. Hillary! will not tolerate competition.

49 posted on 12/11/2002 3:41:19 PM PST by constable tom
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To: RightWhale; Thinkin' Gal; Prodigal Daughter; shaggy eel
A few years ago I heard a speech by the Alaska Attorney General.  He said that one of the "humane society" animal rights wackos -- Ingrid, if I remember correctly [and I'll say Ingrid & Co. hereafter to represent that group] -- was doing a mass mailing to GATHER FUND$ to advance the agenda of ANIMAL RIGHTS WACKO$ while saying it was for the benefit of animals.  These were sent to humane mailing lists and usually featured pictures of cute puppies about to be euthanized.  The mailings did and still do generate lots of MONEY for the ANIMAL RIGHTS WACKOS.  Those who give funds have no idea that Ingrid & Co. consider an animal life above a human life, oppose animal research to benefit human health even when 95% of research animals are rats, think a dog or cat as a pet is a prisoner in your home, and that if you drank a glass of milk this morning you are taking advantage of a disenfranchised cow which they want running free in the street like cows in India.  

The issue Ingrid & Co. was complaining about was that she said the State of Alaska was going to do wolf shoots and hurt those poor animals and hunt them with snowmobiles and helicopter and gee isn't that mean of old bad Alaska so $END MONEY and we'll stop 'em.

She lied.

The Alaska Governor's office got more letters of protest regarding these wolf shoots than there are residents in the State of Alaska.  The Alaska Governor directed his office to immediately contact Ingrid.  It did so directly by phone and fax and stated emphatically that the State of Alaska is NOT GOING TO DO WOLF SHOOTS.  Nevertheless, after being confronted with TRUE FACTS from the Governor's Office, Ingrid & Co. continued the next day with yet another mass mailing saying Alaska was going to do wolf shoots, leading to the obvious conclusion that TRUTH never stands in the way of one with an AGENDA.

A sweet little old lady who used to live in Alaska told me that wolves can be a real problem there and given a choice between shooting one or letting it eat her grandchildren on the way home from school, she would shoot one.

The FBI has a "profile" on Animal Rights wackos.  Some things on the list are:  highly educated, usually homosexual, vegetarian, embrace eastern religions, frequently have bleached blonde hair and will do criminal acts to fulfill their purposes.  The FBI speaker was presenting info to people involved with animals about how to recognize a bomb sent by an Animal Rights wacko.  There was an armed policeman at the door and rioters outside chanting Animal Rights Wacko sayings and crying for "Freedom."  Lots of them were blonde.

50 posted on 12/11/2002 3:54:45 PM PST by 2sheep
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