Posted on 12/11/2002 6:52:25 PM PST by chance33_98
CONFERENCE TRANSCRIPT: challenge of Living Islam in the West, Ferdeous Ahmed
uploaded 17 Sep 2002
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Beyond September 11th: The role of Muslims in the West
Lecture: The challenge of Living Islam in the West Date: 15th September 2002 Ferdeous Ahmed
Introduction
Today, we as Muslims in the west are faced with the dilemma. Should we integrate into the western societies and compromise our Islamic identity? Or should we reject the call for integration and isolate ourselves from the wider society? Unfortunately, these are the only two solutions that has been proposed.
Today, our situation in the west is similar to those of the early oppressed Muslims of makkah who migrated to Abyssinia.
Similarly, we migrated to the western lands because: The Justice of Islam was removed and replaced by the oppressive systems of kufr. The Just rulers of the Muslims were replaced by the agent rulers of the west who failed in their duty to look after the affairs of the Muslims. Our lands were divided and occupied by the kuffar as a result we were made refugees from our lands. Some were chased and persecuted because they stood up to the tyranny and challenged it. As a result we fled our lands like the Muslims who fled to Abyssinia.
Now we are:
5 million Muslims in France 2.5 Million Muslims in Germany Over 2 million Muslims in Britain Overall there are 23 million Muslims in Europe and over 6 million Muslims in the US from all over the Islamic lands.
We left our homes and loved ones with the hope of seeking a better future for our families and our friends.
How to face the challenges in the West?
Dear Muslim, the plain truth is, true security and prosperity in this world can never be gained without the just system of khilfah.
The Muslims that migrated to Abyssinia seeking safety were not spared from further challenges to their deen while living in Abyssinia.
The Quraysh continued their hostile pursuit against the Muslims in Abyssinia. They sent a delegation to An-Najjasi, consisting of Abdallah ibn Rabia and Amr bin Al-As, requesting the extradition of the Muslims.
The Muslims were summoned to the court of the NaJashi and that day Jafar bin abu Talib spoke on behalf of the Muslims.
Jafar saluted them, but did not bow down. They asked ‘ What’s wrong with you, why don’t bow down to the king?’
Jafar confidently and frankly replied “we only bow down to Allah, the almighty and Glorious.”
Amr ibn Al-As intervened and said, “They differ with you about son of Mary – they say that he is creation and a slave of Allah.” So as to create fitnah for the Muslims.
An-Najjashi asked, “what do you say about son of Marry”
Jafar replied by saying “we say that which is revealed to our prophet: he is Allah’s slave, Messenger, His word which He bestowed, and Spirit created by Him”
Najashi was satisfied with the response and he returned the gifts back to them (Qurayshi envoys) and sent them back empty handed.
O Muslim, reflect upon this incident! There is great lesson for us as Muslims living in the west.
The Muslims left makkah where they were persecuted hoping for a better future in a foreign land.
But when they reached their destination, they were tested again in the court of the Najjashi. But they passed their test with dignity and without compromise.
Jafar and the Muslims did not follow the customs of Abyssinia in bowing to the King. They stated clearly and confidently that they only bow to Allah the Almighty and Glorious.
That is because they were Muslims living in Abyssinia and not as ‘Abyssinian Muslim” following the customs of Abyssinia. Likewise, today we must view ourselves as Muslims living in the west and not as Western Muslims.
Which means that we must not bow down to false gods of the west, accept the rotten values of capitalism and change our Islam to suite the western culture.
We must live by the Islamic shariya
Naturally, it is difficult to practise Islam in the west; this is because of the kufr system, but this is not an excuse to abandon the Halal and Haram and live by Kufr.
We must follow the Islamic Sharia completely in all our affairs and not follow those who have no knowledge.
Allah (Subhanahu Wa Ta’aala) said:
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“We made for you a law, so follow it, and not the desires of those who have no knowledge” (TMQ Al Jathiya 45:18)
Muslims, we live in society, which brought nothing but misery to the people. We live in a society, which turns innocent children into criminals.
A recent example in America, where two brothers (Alex and Derek) aged 13 and 14 killed their father with a baseball bat while he was asleep, because their father would not let them play video games late into the night. This is the decadent reality of the western society.
We as Muslims must make sure that our sons and daughters are not like Alex and Derek.
Allah (Subhanahu Wa Ta’aala) says,
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“Oh you who believe, save your selves and your families from the hellfire, whose fuel is men and stones” (TMQ 66.6)
One of the greatest dangers to our children is the western education system. I can remember vividly, the kufr idea that was taught in my school.
I remember in biology they used to teach the theory of evolution, which says human beings evolved from apes.
I remember in physics they used to teach that energy is eternal, cannot be created or destroyed.
Not realising, these ideas contradicted my belief in Islam. Not realising Adam (as) is the father of mankind and not apes and monkeys. Not realising that Allah (Subhanahu Wa Ta’aala) is eternal and energy is a creation of Allah.
I also remember RE (Religious Education) class, where the teachers used to say Islam is like Christianity and Judaism because they are all Abrahamic faith. Not realising that Islam is the only Haq and every other religions are batil (my note: Batil means false of falsehood)..
And let’s not forget what happens in the playground. I remember the peer pressure to have girl friends, I remember this boy called Michael, who did not have a girlfriend and they used taunt him by saying he is a homosexual. They said so many times he actually believed them and became a homosexual.
This is the reality of western education.
This situation worries me greatly, Al hamdulliah, Allah (Subhanahu Wa Ta’aala) has blessed with a son and a daughter. But I am worried that they may turn out to be like Alex and Derek or Michael the homo.
This is our challenge as parents living in the west. This is a matter of Jannah and Jahanam. Allah (Subhanahu Wa Ta’aala) will question us about our responsibility on the day of judgement.I know that I can’t truly protect my children without the khilafa state and the systems of Islam. But must do what we can to protect them and raise them as Muslims.
We as Muslims living in the west can set-up our own Islamic schools in our homes and communities. These schools should not be Islamic schools only in name, unfortunately some schools have set-up already but the still kufr.
A friend of mine who is teacher in Islamic school was saying that they are know teaching the children how to be good British citizen, they are teaching things like democracy.
We need to make sure our Islamic schools teach Islam and Islam only.
We need make sure that our children must know why there are Muslims.
So when our children read and memorise verses like;
Åöäøó Ýöí ÎóáúÞö ÇáÓøóãóÇæóÇÊö æóÇáÃóÑúÖö æóÇÎúÊöáÇóÝö Çááøóíúáö æóÇáäøóåóÇÑö áÂíóÇÊò áøöÃõæúáöí ÇáÃáúÈóÇÈö “Behold! In the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the alternation of night and day, these are indeed signs for men of understanding” [TMQ Ale-Imran: 190]
That they know that we are Muslims because we are convinced about the existence of the Creator not because we our parents are only Muslims.
We need to make sure that they understand that prophet was not just a nice person with good morals. We need teach them that he was leader, judge, and commander of the Army.
We need to teach them the Islamic history.
We need to teach them how the Muslims ruled the world with Islam and spread justice in the world.
We need teach the Islamic history so that it gives confidence to our children that the Islamic system can solve the problems of the world. For example, we say look how over 60,000 people held a conference South Africa failed to solve one problem of the poor people of the world. And say to them in the time of khailfah Umer bin Abdul Aziz, that nobody was need of the Zakat money.
In addition we need to teach them the Islamic jurisprudence so that they act according to the Halal and Haram.
All of this with the hope that our children grow up to be the defenders and champions of Islam. Although, we are living here for now, there will come a time when our children will be called upon by the future Khailfah of the Muslims to assist and aid the Islamic state.
Like Jafar bin abu talib when he returned back from Abyssinia to the Islamic state, he was one of the Amir of Jihad in the battle of Muta against the Romans and fought he so bravely, and died as a shaheed with both of his arms chopped off. The Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) named him Al-tayer – the flier. This is because Allah rewarded him with two wings in Jannah by which he flies with the angels.
The poet of Islam –Hasan bin Thabit praising Jafar in the following verses,
“His reward is that of the shaheeds – a paradise of gardens, under a canopy of green. In Jafar we saw someone faithful to Muhammad, a man of decision when he commands. May there never cease to be in Islam men of Hisham’s line, permanent pillars of glory and the source of pride. They are Islam’s Mountains, and those around them are large rocks rising up to be magnificent, towering heights.”
O parents! Prepare your children to be leaders, politicians and generals for the future khilafah state by establishing Islamic schools and by taking all precaution to save them from western secular values.
If we do this then our children will have the same honour and reward of Jaffar bin Abu Talib. But if we neglect our duty, then remember that fuel of hell is men and stones.
Not only the schools are the source corruption but the society at large, one of the foundations of the society is Personal freedom.
Let us explore the meaning of personal freedom and expose it’s corruption.
Personal freedom has turned the society into an animalistic society, with no values and decency.
In the name of personal freedom, men and women decide how to dress and how to behave with the opposite sex. This has resulted in chaos and corruption.
Each year, 56,000 babies are born to teenage mothers out of wedlock in the UK
Today there are over 100,000 convicted paedophiles on the sex offenders register in the UK alone
One woman is raped on average every 11 minutes
One in five children (20%) in the UK have suffered sexual advances.
The cause of all this is the concept of personal freedom.
How do we as Muslims deal with these challenges? How do we ensure that our daughters are not “teenage mothers” without a husband? Or our sons don’t get a knock on the door one day and the girl says “ Remember me I am Tracy here is your son”.
We need to refer to the Islamic social system, which regulates the relations between men and Women. Islam believes in the idea “prevention is better then cure”. Islam has laid down certain rules, which prevent the society from lewdness and immorality.
In Western societies it is normal for men to look at women who they are not married to with lust. Islam has forbidden this type of action. Allah (Subhanahu Wa Ta’aala) said:
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Allah (Subhanahu Wa Ta’aala) said, "Tell the believing men to lower from their gaze and to protect their private parts. That is better for them, Allah knows the details of what they do. And tell the believing women to lower from their gaze and protect their private parts” [TMQ An-Nur: 30-31].
In the western society it is normal for women to step out of their homes with layers of makeup, lipstick and wearing revealing clothes, Islam forbade all this so as to protect the society.
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“Any women that uses perfume and walks past men in order for them to smell her fragrance; she is a fornicator” [Tirmidhi & Abu Dawud].
Also, Islam has prevented situation where the men and women are to be in any secluded places.
We as Muslims need to abide these ahkhams and teach them to our sons, daughters, wives so as to protect our morals and honour.
All of this does not mean that Islam denies the natural feelings and the need to interact with the opposite sex.
Islam allows controlled and safe interaction between men and women through the means of marriage.
Those of us who are young and single, we should protecting ourselves by marrying early.
The Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) said:
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"O youth. Whoever among you can afford to marry should marry, because it will help him refrain from looking at other women, and guard his modesty. And whoever is not able to marry he should fast because it will protect him" [Muslim].
We should remember that marriage is not only there to satisfy our desires only, the relationship is one of companionship and it’s one of the mercies of Allah.
Trade & Commerce
Dear Muslims, We also face challenges regards to our provisions and income.
In the capitalist system we have seen so much corruption, fraud and deceit, this is because the economic system is based upon on the principle “greed is good” and “survival of the fittest”.
We are all aware of the so-called plumbers & mechanics from hell that fix nothing, but charge hundreds of pounds to innocent customers who are unaware that all they have done is changed a nut or a bolt that actually costs a few pence.
But it does not stop here; we have all seen the massive accounting scandals in corporate America. For example, The $3bn accounting fraud by WorldCom.
We must stay way from all of this corruption. This does not means we spend our day and night in the darkness of our mosques.
Allah (Subhanahu Wa Ta’aala) æóáóÇ ÊóäÓó äóÕöíÈóßó ãöäó ÇáÏøõäúíóÇ -"...and do not neglect your portion of the worldly life.”
Allah (Subhanahu Wa Ta’aala) has revealed for us a complete system, which deals with trade and economy based on Taqwa.
As Muslims we must seek the bounty of this world, according to the Islamic sharia, if we follow the sharia in our trade and transaction then we will be with the Prophets, truthful and the Martyrs.
The messenger of Allah said: “The truthful trustworthy merchant will be with the prophets, truthful and martyr”
Islam has forbidden fraud, deceit and cheating, we need to make sure that we are honest in our dealings so if we are selling a second hand car which may have faults then we need to tell the buyer about the faults. The prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) said: “whosoever cheats, he is not one of us”
And we are employees, we need to make sure that we fulfil our contracts, for example it’s a common practice for employees to take time off under the pretext of being sick. We need to make sure that we don’t do this and we need to honour our contract. Allah (Subhanahu Wa Ta’aala) said:
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“O you believe fulfil your contract”.
Too often we have seen Muslims fighting with each other over work and money. Let us follow the Sunnah and draw up contracts and define the roles and responsibilities.
So if we are going to hire some one then we should let him know his wage before he starts the work. The prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) said, “whosoever hired a person he has to inform his wage”
If we have debts and we are able to pay, then we must pay debts without delay, the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) said,’ "The delay by the rich is unjust.”
If we follow these Ahkam then our disputes will be solved and fighting will come to an end.
Now I am going to address a controversial issue. It’s a controversial issue for us but not for Allah and his messenger. It’s the issue of getting a mortgage; we all know that getting a mortgage is Haram with a capital H. As usual some of have make excuses and even say so and so imam and scholar we can take it because it’s necessary. O, Muslims pay attention to Allah (Subhanahu Wa Ta’aala) has to say about the one who does not leave the usury.
Allah (Subhanahu Wa Ta’aala) said:
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“and if you do not, then take notice of war (against you) from Allah (Subhanahu Wa Ta’aala) and His Messenger” (2.289)
O Muslims, it’s not a war against America or Britain or any human power, which could win. It’s a war against the creator of the heavens of the earth, it’s war against the one who gives life and takes like life, it’s a war against the one who will decide who goes to hell and the one who enters paradise.
It is war against Allah, the almighty and powerful.
It’s war where we will loose for certain.
Yes, there are other alternatives like renting although it may be expensive. But the choice is simple – either material loss in this world or war with Allah and Messenger!
Moreover, we must remember who is on charge of rizk?
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Allah (Subhanahu Wa Ta’aala) “and no moving creature is there on earth but it’s provision is due from Allah” (TMQ 11: 6)
Dear Muslims, so do not fear for your rizk, it’s Allah (Subhanahu Wa Ta’aala) who is in charge of the Rizk. We must hold onto the Halal and Haram, and not sacrifice our deen for this life but sacrifice this limited life for an eternal life in the Akhira.
We as Muslims must live by Islam so that we a shining example to the oppressed people of the west. If we don’t follow the Ahkham sharia all our affairs.. Then what is the difference between our children and the children of the Kuffar? If we cheat and deal in riba then what is the difference between Islamic economic system and the Capitalist system?
Dear Muslims, We as Muslims have responsibility offering this truth to kuffar by living by the truth. We as Muslims must be like the early Muslim traders; who were the ambassador of Islam. By their shining example the people of West Africa, East Africa and Indonesia embraced Islam. We as Muslims must be the witness over the people in the western society by living by Islam. If we don’t do this then we fail in our duty.
Dear Muslims, I am not going to say to you that it is easy to live in this society. It is not easy to bring up our children according to Islam. It is not easy to protect ourselves from the corrupt culture of free mixing and lewdness.
It is not easy not easy to provide secure home for our families without usury.
It is not easy to work and make money without getting involved in Haram transaction.
We need realise living in the west is a test from
Allah (Subhanahu Wa Ta’aala). Allah (Subhanahu Wa Ta’aala) tests us continuously, so as to see who are the truthful ones. Allah (Subhanahu Wa Ta’aala) said:
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“Do people think that they will be left alone because they say: "We believe," and will not be tested.
And We indeed tested those who were before them. And Allâh will certainly make (it) known those who are true, and will certainly make it known those who are liars.”
Then we will have the same honour and reward like the companion of the prophet.
The Prophet said: "After you there are going to be days of patience. The patience during that time is like the one clutching on to a hot coal. The one who works and does good deeds during that time will receive the reward of fifty men who do deeds similar to him". They asked, "O Messenger of Allaah, fifty people of them [at that time]?" He answered, "The reward of fifty from among you [the Companions]" [Abu Dawud, at- Tirmidhi, Ibn Majah]
BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHA
More BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
And the liberals spend all their energy attacking the christians....
Hello, liberals? Why do you stand by Islam and attack us? I guess maybe because they hope to weaken the real americans in this country because they hate the US too and want to see Islam win. Idiots.
Islam, religion of peace my a$$. Someone should post this on DU, I bet they would agree with the whole thing.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
I don't think going back is what they are aiming for, more like changing America:
Although, we are living here for now, there will come a time when our children will be called upon by the future Khailfah of the Muslims to assist and aid the Islamic state.
Our duty is their liquidation.
DECADENT REALITY!???
(Insert photos of planes hitting WTC and everything else that happened on 9/11, blown up Jews, people in Bali, etc., etc., etc.)
Well said. I fear liberals are starting to fall under that heading as well. I may not like some of the leftist drivel I see in this country, I might think the schools need work, etc and so on - but I will still rally the cry to defend this country against those who wish to destroy it, and I don't care who the president is at the time. There comes a time to stand with your country and stand behind it's principles. The left is so busy slamming christians, conservatives, Bush, et. al. that they are letting the real enemy of america slip in without so much as a word.
I read their drivel on their boards - they hate everything american and attack us, yet they say nothing about islam because they see it as their ally because it is anti-american. They disgust me. I don't mind them attacking me with their drivel, but that they give those a pass who threaten both me and them is plain stupidity. I have no respect for the democrats anymore and neither do most people I know (many of whom were dems for years - the best way I have gotten people to change their beliefs is I send them to DU and tell em to read it for a week. They are amazed that such a 'progressive' party is filled with so much hate and contempt for america. I love that place, best weapon we have!)
Where is NOW? Where are GLAAD and the other gay orgs? Why are these islamic prophets of hate not being condemned by them? You (the liberals/dems) are exposed for what you are by your silence. You have confirmed to me all I ever thought about you.
Thanks for the post, you have stated well how I feel!
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If you want a future you stupid bastard, give up the psychosis given to you from your Messenger from Allah.
Go to the nearest Sewer, travel about 300 Leagues straight down into the depths of Hell. In the left corner, next to the eternal HOT jacuzzi, you'll find Beelzabub, and some other demo(n)crats from the DU.
We need to teach them that the Battle of Tours NEVER HAPPENED!!!
Ruled the WORLD?
In your dreams, towelie.
Yeah, what he said...
All I see is a vast Muslim Empire in about 50 years. the native Christian Europeans will be slaves to the by then Muslim Majority who will establish a caliphate, probably based in Paris.
The French as always will be the first to cowardly surrender and convert to Islam. The Germans attracted to the Nazi nature of Islam will soon follow suit and design attractive SS uniforms for the religious police. Hitler will be posthumously converted to Islam so they can keep him as their hero.
The Scots and the Irish will probably be the last holdouts, but not for long, there are muslims even there and they have sex for procreation rather than recreation.
The most dangerous weapon of mass destruction is not the Nuclear bomb, it is the womb.
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Given the weakness of the non-Islamic world, I see little to prohibit this from happening.
Given the weakness of the non-Islamic world, I see little to prohibit this from happening.
Mark Steyn's article, Goodbye Europe, describes what is going on in Europe right now.
BrowningBAR commented to that article, "One can imagine a majority Islamic European nation declaring sharia. The remnants of Western power in Europe fight back. Then a country like Iran, Libya, Saudi Arabia sides with the sharists...
BANG!
Here is what I said to him:
There is no doubt in my mind that something like this is definitely coming. In one sense, I really believe the sooner the showdown comes the better. When Western civilization finally wakes up, I don't think it will be too difficult to mop up that primitive ignorant culture, but the longer we wait, the more difficult it will be.
In the end, however, I believe this entire movement is going to turn out to be Islam's last desparate and dying lurch, and it will finally die its long overdue death.
Islam is an extremely oppressive religion, with the result that the people are kept in abject ignorance and poverty. They are terrible fighters, are completely unimaginative, and because they are kept in subjugation, are not capable of self-direction except in the simplest of tasks.
Muslim militancy is going to be their own undoing. People in this country almost never gave a thought to Muslims even two years ago. The number of people, in that short time, who have come to the correct conclusion that civilazation and Islam are incompatible has grown geometircally. We are very near the critical line where the rational are finally fed-up, and that will be the end of Islam.
Hank
Secondly, Islam has lasted 12 centuries. Communism was discredited in less than one. One of the failures of communism was that because of it's atheistic nature, not only did it not offer hope in this life, but it offered none in the next.
Islam on the other hand solves that problem. Intelligence and elan are irrelevant in a determined foe if it spreads like a cancer and we have leaders who insist on seeing the vast majority of Muslims as benign practicioners of just another religion, than as what they really are, a deadly death cult.
I will state it again, demographics will kill us. As long as we reproduce at the rate where our numbers contract rather than expand, we will bring about our own extinction. We use sex for recreation, they use sex for procreation.
Once again, the greatest weapon of mass destruction is not the nuclear bomb, it is the womb.
Not really, and this one is worse: The Clash of Civilisations: The goals of islam in America, real audio and some transcript
Who is, "going to lose enormously and disastrously?" If you mean the Moslems, I agree. If you mean Western civilization, I might also agree, but it won't be to the Muslims.
Western civilization is in danger, but not to the ignorant and superstitious of this degree. Militant collectivism, in all its pseudo-philosophical forms is the greatest danger.
While the world is watching what they believe are the obvious dangers, Islam, Korea, Iraq, Iran, Russia, China, there is one place that should always be watched, and isn't. Once again, the world is about to be surprised, and the surprise will come from Germany.
Hank
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