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The Lott Problem & A Solution
The Democrat Party's Long and Shameful History of Bigotry and Racism ^

Posted on 12/13/2002 2:06:35 AM PST by Republican_Strategist

The Lott Gaffe


[Emphasis 1] - What Trent Lott said was incredibly stupid. He said, "I want to say this about my state (Mississippi): When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We're proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn't have had all these problems over all these years, either."

[Emphasis 2] - What makes that an incredibly stupid comment was that Strom Thurmond ran as a Democrat on a segregationist ticket. We shouldn’t be proud of it. And it surely would have led us to be problem free. And no one should be proud that they voted for him.

[Emphasis 3] - The comment really was not intended to be racist. What Lott was doing was taking part in Strom Thurmond’s birthday party trying to be humorous and he was trying to flatter him with that gaffe rather than trying to proclaim that America needs segregation.

[Emphasis 4] - People like Paul M. Weyrich of the Free Congress that have known Lott have vouched that he is no racist and has never made any racist comments. He innocently made a politically incorrect joke.

[Emphasis 5] - Democrats and the Liberal Media are only using this as part of a systematic campaign of demagoguery so that they can constantly refer to republicans as being racist and keep minorities in a state of fear so that they will continue to blindly vote for Democrats.

[Emphasis 6] - This is just racial paranoia. It wasn’t like Lott was serious or as if he was making the first item of the new year, say, repealing the Civil Rights Act or something like that. This is hysteria courtesy of the racial sensitivity police.

[Emphasis 7] - We need to put an end to this battered republican syndrome and stand up to the Left and quit letting them intimidate us with these overblown attacks over harmless jokes and we should quit trying to constantly appease them with repeated apologies.

[Emphasis 8] - Let’s get back to politics rather than allowing liberals to distract us with their politics of personal destruction. Let’s talk about unilaterally going to war with Iraq, let’s talk about abolishing income tax, let’s talk about abolishing social security, and let’s get back to restoring America.

[Emphasis 9] - Democrats are crybabies, whiners, and moaners. They will harp about this endlessly and the media will be like a DNC automation. The N.Y. Times maybe will even start a campaign against republicans demanding appeasement in the form of a tax increase or that we apologize to Clinton for trying to impeach him for breaking the law.

[Emphasis 10] Don’t let democrats make victims out of you! Be vigilant!

The Solution


1) Republicans need to quit rid of Lott. They should make it clear that there is a sizable majority of republicans that are fed up or lack confidence in his leadership (if you choose to call it that). They should highlight his bungling of the impeachment trial, his conciliatory attitude as far as trying to be “nice” to Daschle, and his general spinelessness. They should make it clear it wasn’t because he made an innocent joke to make a hundred year old man happy on his birthday.

2) Republicans need to highlight the hypocrisy and selective moral outrage on the part of the Democrats.

3) Republicans need to make the case that the media firestorm over this stupid, innocent joke however politically incorrect is a prime example of the media’s overly liberal bias.

4) Republicans need to quit being all so willing to just call for Lott’s head on a platter and they need to quit trying to appease the racial sensitivity police with such preemptive actions.

5) The Republicans need to highlight their party’s history of being the backers that made legislation like the 1964 Civil Rights Act pass while highlighting it was the Democratic Party that has a long history of racism and bigotry.

6) Republicans need to highlight policies like affirmative action and so forth are inherently racist. Republicans need to do a better job of pointing out things like 85% of racial violence being black on white while illustrating individuals like Michael Moore have written books that are undoubtedly racist with titles like “Stupid White Men.”

7) We have the White House, we have the House, and we have the Senate. Let’s use them and get our political agenda rolling. Let’s start by getting rid of the abortion slaughter and nominating extremely conservative judges.

Double Standards


[Double Standard] - At the 1993 birthday party of J. William Fulbright, Clinton said, “The American political system produced this remarkable man, and my state did, and I'm real proud of it.” Clinton bestowed the Presidential Medal of Freedom on Fulbright who he described as a visionary humanitarian, a steadfast supporter of the values of education, and 'my mentor.'

[Double Standard] - October 22, 2002, Bill Clinton traveled to Fayetteville, Arkansas to honor the life of the late Arkansas senator, J. William Fulbright by dedicating a seven-foot-tall bronze statue of the man. Clinton said, "If [Fulbright] were here today, I'm sure he would caution us not to be too utopian in our expectations, but rather utopian in our values and vision."

[Double Standard] - Gore family's African-American former maid, who complained in the midst of the 2000 presidential campaign that young Al's mom and dad used to make her wait in their hot car during the 1950s while the family ate in "whites only" restaurants.

[Double Standard] - On CBS, both liberals Dan Rather and Mike Wallace made racially insensitive comments. Rather said on air, "What happened was they [CBS management] got the willies, they got the Buckwheats. Their knees wobbled and we gave it up." Wallace once said, with film rolling, that Blacks and Hispanics had difficulty filling our loan applications. According to Wallace, they were simply too busy “eating watermelons and tacos” to learn how to read and write.

[Double Standard] - Gore’s Campaign Manager Donna Brazille, told the Washington Post, that she was going to beat the "white boys."

[Double Standard] - Liberal Hero & Communist FDR appointed two notorious segregationists to the United States Supreme Court. Roosevelt appointed South Carolina segregationist Democrat Jimmy Byrnes to the court. Roosevelt later made Byrnes a top advisor, where the segregationist earned the nickname “assistant president.” Byrnes was also Roosevelt’s second choice behind Harry Truman for the VP nod in his 1944 reelection bid. Roosevelt also appointed segregationist Democrat Senator Hugo Black of Alabama to the court. Black was a former member of the Ku Klux Klan with a notorious record of racism himself.

[Double Standard] - Democratic Senator Robert Byrd is a former member of the Ku Klux Klan and is currently the only national elected official with a history in the Klan, a well known hate group. Byrd was extremely active in the Klan and rose to the rank of “Kleagle,” an official Klan membership recruiter. Last year, in an interview on the Fox News Channel, he used the term “white niggers” on air.

[Double Standard] - Senator Ernest Hollings is the liberal Democratic Senator from South Carolina who is also notorious for his use of racial slurs. Hollings has reportedly used the slur "wetbacks" to derogatorily refer to Hispanics and "darkies" to derogatorily refer to blacks. Hollings was also the Governor of South Carolina who raised the confederate flag over the state capitol in the early 1960's in what was considered at the time to be an act of defiance to civil rights. The press ignored Hollings and his role in the flag issue at the same time the political correctness police were smearing George W. Bush during his campaign after Bush correctly remarked that the flag was a state issue to be decided upon by South Carolina and not the national government.

[Double Standard] - Dick Gephardt, the former Democrat Minority Leader in the U.S. House of Representatives, gave several speeches to a St. Louis area hate group during his early years as a representative. According to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Gephardt spoke to the Metro South Citizens Council, a now defunct white supremacist organization.

[Double Standard] - Jesse Jackson has a history of using anti-Semitic slurs and derogatorily calling New York City “Hymietown.” Jackson, a prominent self proclaimed "civil rights leader," is himself guilty of the same bigotry he dishonestly purports to oppose.

[Double Standard] - Cragg Hines used the racial slur "cracker" to attack Helms. He used the epithet not only within the article's text, but he even included it in the piece's title. Hines is one of the most rabidly partisan DC based Democrat editorial columnists to work for a major newspaper, and he makes no attempts to hide it.

[Double Standard] - Al Sharpton, a perrenial Democrat candidate and one of the rumored candidates for the Democrat's 2004 presidential nomination, has a notorious racist past. Sharpton was a central figure who fanned the 1991 Crown Heights race riot, where a mob shouting anti-semetic slurs murdered an innocent Jewish man. Sharpton also incited a 1995 protest of a Jewish owned store in Harlem where protesters used several anti-semetic slurs. During the protests, a Sharpton lieutenant called the store's owner a "bloodsucker" and declared an intent to "loot the Jews." A member of the protest mob later set fire to the store, resulting in the death of seven.

[Double Standard] - Andrew Cuomo, Bill Clinton's former Housing Secretary and a prominent Democrat political player in New York, was tape recorded using racially inflamatory rhetoric to build opposition to a potential Democrat primary opponent while speaking to a Democrat group. Cuomo stated that voting for his rival for the New York Democrat gubernatorial nomination Carl McCall, who is black, would create a "racial contract" between Black and Hispanic Democrats "and that can't happen." Upon initial reports, Cuomo denied the statement but later a tape recording surfaced. Cuomo later dropped out of the race for governor.

[Double Standard] - Lee Brown, Bill Clinton's former drug czar and Democrat mayor of Houston, engaged in racist campaigning designed to suppress Hispanic voter turnout during his 2001 reelection bid. Brown faced challenger Orlando Sanchez, a Hispanic Republican who drew heavy support from the Hispanic community during the general election. Two weeks prior to the runoff, Brown's campaign printed racist signs designed to intimidate Hispanic voters. The signs featured a photograph of Sanchez and the words "Anti-Hispanic."

[Double Standard] - Mary Frances Berry is the Democrat chair of the US Commission on Civil Rights (USCCR). She purports herself to be an "independent" in her political affiliation in order to hold her job on the civil rights commission where partisan membership may not exceed 4 for either party, but is in fact a dedicated liberal Democrat who openly supported Al Gore for president and has given a total of $20,000 in personal contributions to the Democrat Party, Al Gore for President, and other Democrat candidates over the last decade. Berry is an open racist who is affiliated with the far-left Pacifica radio network, a group with ties to black nationalist causes. Berry once stated "Civil rights laws were not passed to protect the rights of white men and do not apply to them," indicating that she believes the USCCR should only look out for civil rights violations against persons of certain select skin colors.

[Double Standard] - Former Democrat State Representative Billy McKinney of Georgia, who is also the father of former Democrat congresswoman Cynthia McKinney of the same state. During his daughter's failed 2002 reelection bid, McKinney appeared on television where he blamed his daughter's difficulties on a Jewish conspiracy. McKinney unleashed a string of anti-semitic sentiments, stating "This is all about the Jews" and spelling out "J-E-W-S." McKinney lost his own seat in a runoff a few weeks later.

The Democrat Party and the Ku Klux Klan


Aside from the multiple Klan members who have served in elected capacity within the high ranks of the Democrat Party, the political party itself has a lengthy but often overlooked history of involvement with the Ku Klux Klan. Though it has been all but forgotten by the media, the Democrat National Convention of 1924 was host to one of the largest Klan gatherings in American history. Dubbed the "Klanbake convention" at the time, the 1924 Democrat National Convention in New York was dominated by a platform dispute surrounding the Ku Klux Klan. A minority of the delegates to the convention attempted to condemn the hate group in the party's platform, but found their proposal shot down by Klan supporters within the party. As delegates inside the convention voted in the Klan's favor, the Klan itself mobilized a celebratory rally outside. On July 4, 1924 one of the largest Klan gatherings ever occurred outside the convention on a field in nearby New Jersey. The event was marked by speakers spewing racial hatred, celebrations of their platform victory in the Democrat Convention, and ended in a cross burning.

For more information on the Democratic opposition to civil rights and their history of racism and bigotry, go to The Democrat Party's Long and Shameful History of Bigotry and Racism


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The Lott Gaffe & A Whole Lot Liberal Media Bias

1 posted on 12/13/2002 2:06:36 AM PST by Republican_Strategist
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To: Republican_Strategist
What the "Republicans" need to do is stop posting endless articles on the subject and venting their purist conservative spleens on Lott.

Shut up and let the President handle it.

2 posted on 12/13/2002 2:18:16 AM PST by patriciaruth
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To: Republican_Strategist
Good work. Interesting plan. Well written. There is one problem, and I have a solution for that.

But there sure is a LOTT of truth in the point that Lott is being left to the wolves because of his bungling in impeachment. We are not exactly united on the issue of Lott, and that is why.

On the other hand, it will not be interpreted that way by the left. This is especially true when Lott's college days are looked into.

Problem and Solution: I think it would be interesting if we simply combine a demand that all senators with racial problems all step down from their committee chairs at the same time. That makes the message even more clear. Everyone should be held to the same standard at the same time. Hollings, Clinton, Byrd, and Lott.


3 posted on 12/13/2002 2:24:44 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March
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To: patriciaruth
Shut up and let the President handle it.

While you are at it, how about closing down the forum for a week and demand that Rush and Hannity pan nonstop to the Bush press conferences? I think Rush and Hannity generally help conservatism, and this plan is very similar to what they are saying.

4 posted on 12/13/2002 2:27:31 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March
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To: patriciaruth
Why don't you RINOs go crawling & slithering back under your DNC rocks?
5 posted on 12/13/2002 2:30:00 AM PST by Republican_Strategist
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
Good plan, but I don't think anyone has enough sense to follow it.

What sucks is that none of your articles and comments want to do Lott in because he might have implied segregation was a great idea, but use it as an excuse to get rid of someone you didn't like in the first place.

That's more racist to me than what Lott said, that no one here cares about whether he is a latent racist, only whether he's not aggressively conservative enough.

It's sickening.

6 posted on 12/13/2002 2:32:20 AM PST by patriciaruth
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To: Republican_Strategist
Yeah, I'm a RINO because I am not for killing gays.

In all other respects we probably agree.

7 posted on 12/13/2002 2:33:46 AM PST by patriciaruth
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To: Republican_Strategist
Outstanding find, we need to compile all this and e-mail it to all our friends.
8 posted on 12/13/2002 2:38:21 AM PST by RaceBannon
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To: patriciaruth
What bothers me is that Lott was saying anything racist really and clearly from what everyone can view and hear for themselves….he was trying to flatter an old man on his birthday. Of course Lott was just idiotically remarking about something without making any racial suggestions, but of course the Waffen PC has to come at him with everything they’ve got. What sickens me is you spineless republican that throw yourselves at the mercy of the Left.

Then when it comes to the examples of Democrats and the various double standards…you said nothing about it because the Waffen PC isn’t going to go after a Democrat. You just keep letting them lead you by the nose.
9 posted on 12/13/2002 2:38:39 AM PST by Republican_Strategist
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To: Republican_Strategist
Nutz. You're the spineless one who wants to throw Lott to the wolves.
10 posted on 12/13/2002 2:40:45 AM PST by patriciaruth
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To: patriciaruth
No, you are a RINO exactly because you would imply that having moral outrage over such depravity as say, homosexuality, can be misconstrued and turned into a campaign to kill them. It is exactly that type of intellectual dishonesty and paranoia that makes you a liberal. The saddest thing is you call yourself a conservative.
11 posted on 12/13/2002 2:41:21 AM PST by Republican_Strategist
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To: patriciaruth
No, I want to get rid of the idiot who said he was going to be “nice” to Tom Daschole. You are the guy that wants to let the Black Caucus lynch the guy for stupid gaffe at an old man’s birthday party.
12 posted on 12/13/2002 2:43:23 AM PST by Republican_Strategist
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To: patriciaruth
No, I want to get rid of the idiot who said he was going to be “nice” to Tom Daschole. You are the guy that wants to let the Black Caucus lynch the guy for stupid gaffe at an old man’s birthday party.
13 posted on 12/13/2002 2:43:24 AM PST by Republican_Strategist
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To: Republican_Strategist
These are well reasoned, excellent points. I agree wholeheartedly with almost all of them. the problem is that we have to deal with this furor in 1-4 minute soundbites. The public sees and hears: Lott-Racist-Republican and short circuits nuanced, political and historical facts. The bloody dilemma is that the pavlovian democrats are blatantly manipulating pc-primed, media driven emotional reflexes.
14 posted on 12/13/2002 2:44:11 AM PST by lainde
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To: Republican_Strategist
I posted this yesterday on several threads.

Agree that Trent Lott in his Southern hospitality mode of exaggerated praise at a hundred year old birthday party said some thoughtless things falsely implying support for segregation when he probably had national defense in mind.

But as long as we're into bashing people for thoughtless remarks, let's go for some humdingers.

Can anyone remember Jesse Jackson saying "hymietown" or Hillary Clinton saying "Jew b*****d" or Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante (D-CA) saying "n****r labor organization?"

And none of them said it at a hundred year old birthday party.

15 posted on 12/13/2002 2:45:29 AM PST by patriciaruth
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To: lainde
That was an excellent summation!
16 posted on 12/13/2002 2:46:26 AM PST by Republican_Strategist
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To: lainde
The bloody dilemma is that the pavlovian democrats are blatantly manipulating pc-primed, media driven emotional reflexes.

No, the bloody dilemma is that conservatives who don't like Lott for other reasons are giving this story legs by calling for his removal and implying they believe he is racist, while actually simply believing he is not aggressively conservative enough for them.

The media is eating you guys up.

17 posted on 12/13/2002 2:48:26 AM PST by patriciaruth
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To: patriciaruth
Can you help me understand something. I’m not against going back and looking at stupid comments like Hillary calling one of her own aides a “F**king Jew Bastard.” This is exactly the sort of double standard I am encouraging us republicans to raise. So do me a favor and quit pretending I’m the enemy for weighing in on this.

I’m also going to take a stand and say that I doubt the President would embrace my plan and I don’t trust him to handle it. After all, he did let Ted Kennedy write his Education Bill.
18 posted on 12/13/2002 2:50:35 AM PST by Republican_Strategist
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To: Republican_Strategist
I have never called myself a conservative. I am a Republican and maybe the only one on this thread. I believe that to be a conservative you have to be in favor of stoning gays and shooting Mexican men and women at the border, and I am a Christian and thus don't qualify.
19 posted on 12/13/2002 2:51:18 AM PST by patriciaruth
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To: Republican_Strategist
After about fifty or more articles posted in the last couple days by "Republican (HA!) strategists" such as yourself, I'd say you are piling on Lott for your own selfish reasons and don't give a hoot about the President.
20 posted on 12/13/2002 2:54:28 AM PST by patriciaruth
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To: patriciaruth
No, she is quite right. The Liberal Dominated Media is creating a firestorm and it started with Al Gore and the Black Caucus is all over this. I’m saying we should fight the Democrats on this, we should make the cases about double standards, and then we should get Lott out of the way because he is definitely not conservative enough and he is a poor leader.

And of course liberals are eating up Bush’s comments, but you trust the guy to handle it. They love seeing republicans berating a republican over remarks thought to be “racist.”
21 posted on 12/13/2002 2:54:53 AM PST by Republican_Strategist
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To: Republican_Strategist
YOU are the ones in lockstep with the DEMS attacking Lott and saying he should be fired. Some strategy! What a maroon!
22 posted on 12/13/2002 2:58:11 AM PST by patriciaruth
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To: patriciaruth
No, you are simply a RINO. You some how strayed over to the Republican Party and you need to return to the other side. And your examples of why you aren’t calling yourself a conservative is precisely why you’re liberal. Conservatives actually believe that we have the freedom of speech to condemn homosexuals for their disgusting behavior and the Waffen PC that you seem to be part of tries to turn our moral outrage into actions like stoning them.

So sue me if I believe that America is a sovereign nation, a republican that can control its on border. Excuse me for not endorsing your global village and just letting everyone wonder over when they please. But no, you have to turn that position into some paranoid rant about be wanting to shoot those puh-poor illegal immigrants flooding over here.

Conservatism and Christianity go hand in hand.
23 posted on 12/13/2002 3:01:10 AM PST by Republican_Strategist
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To: patriciaruth
I believe that to be a conservative you have to be in favor of stoning gays and shooting Mexican men and women at the border
That is a very strange belief. That isn't what conservatism is about, nor is it what this website is about. Thanks, AM
24 posted on 12/13/2002 3:04:03 AM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: patriciaruth
I’d say you’d give James Carville a run for his money when it comes to insanity. Your interpretations of my thread is about as good as Clinton’s interpretation of the law.
25 posted on 12/13/2002 3:04:50 AM PST by Republican_Strategist
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To: Republican_Strategist
I would like the non-stop Republican refrain on the Sunday shows to be:

"Yes, when Senator Thurman was a Democrat in 1948, he was, like the Democrat party at that time in our nation's history, a strong segregationist. Senator Thurman came to a point in his life when he began to disagree with his Democrat segregationists beliefs, and that was the period in his life when he became a Republican.

Senator Lott, while understandibly trying to honor Senator Thurman on his 100th birthday, made some unfortunate remarks that rehashed a painful time in our history. Senator Lott has never shown himself to be a racist, and I think that it does the country no good in our journey toward racial harmony for the Democrats, who not only have one Senator who was a high-ranking member of a hateful racist organization and who is now in a powerful leadership position in the Democrat party, but who also have not a few members of their party, including an ex-president, who have made racist comments and have honored racists during their tenure in public service, to try to destroy Senator Lott because of a comment he made that does not come close to what some leaders in the Democrat party have said about various groups of people in this country."

As long as the Republicans sit back and let the historically racist Democrats continue to hammer them on this stupid comment of Lott's, while saying nothing about the Democrat's own documented racism, the Republican party will be unfairly tarred with the racist label and the rats will use this to get illegitimately what they could not win at the ballot box.

Republicans, especially President Bush, must go on the offensive about this and put this issue to bed or they might very well find themselves in the minority again. They must say publically that they accept Senator Lott's apology, and in the interests of harmony, will now be concentrating on the business of the nation.

It's time to be ruthless and it's time to go on offense. The rats will not let go of this until they are illegitimately in the majority again. Is that what we want? Is that what the President wants?

26 posted on 12/13/2002 3:04:52 AM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: patriciaruth
"...We will not, and we must not, rest until every person of every race believes in the promise of America because they see it in their own eyes, with their own eyes, and they live it and feel it in their own lives."

--G Bush
27 posted on 12/13/2002 3:06:00 AM PST by The Raven
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To: Republican_Strategist
Oh, really, you're the one who wants to show balls with the DEMS and your first strategy is to throw them Lott's head? And I'm the RINO?

What specific core platform issue is it that a REPUBLICAN, (not a CONSERVATIVE) must believe or they are a Republican in Name Only?????

What is the difference between a Republican and a Conservative? I know they are not the same. I know you are a conservative (or a Democrat mole) and not a Republican because you don't like President Bush. True Republicans like President Bush.

I'm am not a RINO, and you are not a Republican at all.

28 posted on 12/13/2002 3:07:56 AM PST by patriciaruth
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To: patriciaruth
No, the Democrats want to make Lott a scapegoat for their failed election cycle and this is how they kick off the new year. They want to turn the Republican Party into the “Racist Party.” I said I want republicans to fight Democrats and their attacks on Lott, but I want them to get rid of Lott for his poor leadership and his swaying from conservatism. You need to quit defending Lott like Democrats defended Clinton because you are only hurting republicans.
31 posted on 12/13/2002 3:08:32 AM PST by Republican_Strategist
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To: Admin Moderator
This is my ironic way of noting what the difference between me and the aggressive purist conservatives seem to be. I know there are many, probably most conservatives, who don't believe like this, but they are not often the ones on these threads calling for the disembowelment of Republicans, and at the moment I am clarifying why I would never dare call myself conservative in the company of people such as these.

I am a Republican and a Christian, and that often gives me common cause with conservatives, but I don't pretend to be a purist conservative because they have defined themselves in ways that I cannot.

32 posted on 12/13/2002 3:15:23 AM PST by patriciaruth
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So, will you caution me if I add that I can't be a conservative because I believe that women should have the right to vote? Tm22721 is not the only one who has made this remark in the last months. And I'm sure he probably thinks I'm not a conservative as I don't go along with that sort of thinking either.
33 posted on 12/13/2002 3:18:09 AM PST by patriciaruth
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To: patriciaruth
Well, the problem is that we have people like you infiltrating the Republican Party and Conservative Forums. You then try to assume that you speak for republicans and conservatives and the fact is you don’t represent us.

So instead of Bush abolishing income, he gave us a small, back loaded tax cut that cut 6 million low income families who will no longer care about how much democrats want to raise it. The bottom 50% pay less than 4% of federal income tax and they get the largest cuts. The burden on those making over $100,000 and up increased from 70% to over 74% and I consider that shining example of conservatism as much as I consider it the lesser of two evils.

Did you also support his increases in Education spending through the unconstitutional Department of Education? His Education Bill was written by Teddy Kennedy and we all know his conservative credentials.

Did you support his signing of the unconstitutional campaign finance reform bill?

Did you support his federalizing airline workers?

Do you agree with him making a deal not to prosecute the Clintons? He basically let them skate off. I remember he did a snap shot with Hillary while she holds press conferences saying he knew about 9/11.

Why bother mentioning the Farm Bill? I’m just giving examples of Bush’s liberal streak and it is infiltrators like you that want to cement that and make that the “right wing.”
34 posted on 12/13/2002 3:19:58 AM PST by Republican_Strategist
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To: patriciaruth
I suppose I’ll thank you for contributing to the efforts made by democrats to pull the Republican Party to the left so their socialist agenda looks moderate, divide republicans, and ruin an entire post with your ramblings about conservatives being “purists” because they don’t want spineless, phony conservatives like Lott leading the Party.
35 posted on 12/13/2002 3:24:26 AM PST by Republican_Strategist
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To: patriciaruth
99.95% (or more) of conservatives do not believe the things you ascribe to conservatives. My point is that you are painting with an extremely broad brush, and in so doing you are insulting some very good people. I responded on the thread because someone had hit abuse on your comment number 19. I wanted to explain to you why it would be construed as such. Thanks, AM
36 posted on 12/13/2002 3:25:06 AM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: patriciaruth; Republican_Strategist

Can anyone remember Jesse Jackson saying "hymietown" or Hillary Clinton saying "Jew b*****d" or Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante (D-CA) saying "n****r labor organization?"

And none of them said it at a hundred year old birthday party.

....or THIS one while we're at it:

Byrd said in part, "I think we try to have good will. My old mom told me, `Robert, you can't go to heaven if you hate anybody.' We practice that. There are white ni**ers. I've seen a lot of white ni**ers in my time. I'm going to use that word."


Former KKK Clansman,
Senator Robert Byrd…...

37 posted on 12/13/2002 3:31:31 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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Conservatism and Christianity go hand in hand.

I spent many years working for national conservative candidates and conservative causes, the latter including a stint helping the Nicaraguan Contras.

I consistently vote GOP, but now consider myself a small "L" libertarian. Why?

As a Deist, I find revealed religions such as Christianity to serve no rational purpose except to dupe the masses in a quest for power. Your precious Bible was created from a collection of fables by the Council of Nicea pursuant to the order of Emperor Constantine. Its sole purpose was to consolidate his power by combining Christian sects with paganism, and making the emperor the representative of the mythical Christ on earth. King James took a page or two from Constantine's playbook, and created his own version for political purposes. The church continued to combine pagan fables as a means to convert natives in the Carribean and Latin America. The result includes Christian beliefs that combine Santeria, Umbanda, and Candomble. Sacrificed any chickens or prayed to an orixa lately with your Christian brothers to the south?

By comparison, Machiavelli was an amateur. The funny thing is that dupes like you continue to believe in the emperor's dream 1700 years after he died. What is not funny is the attempt by Christian leaders to assume power via the GOP using the same stupid collection of fables.

38 posted on 12/13/2002 3:33:17 AM PST by Young Rhino
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So instead of Bush abolishing income, he gave us a small, back loaded tax cut that cut 6 million low income families who will no longer care about how much democrats want to raise it.

So you don't believe in tax cuts? Or you are angry that you didn't get the whole pie the first time out and are blaming me?

Did you also support his increases in Education spending through the unconstitutional Department of Education? His Education Bill was written by Teddy Kennedy and we all know his conservative credentials.

So you don't believe in forcing liberal teachers to start teaching facts instead of liberalism? You want to just let them continue to control brainwashing our children? We didn't have control of the Senate when compromises were made to get the bill through that begins to challenge liberal control of education.

Did you support his signing of the unconstitutional campaign finance reform bill?

I sent a contribution to the NRA to fight it and the Supreme Court will be hearing the case this next session.

Did you support his federalizing airline workers?

Neither the President nor I supported this idea but our representatives voted for it.

Do you agree with him making a deal not to prosecute the Clintons? He basically let them skate off. I remember he did a snap shot with Hillary while she holds press conferences saying he knew about 9/11.

The President made a deal to not prosecute the Clintons? Funny, I thought Ken Starr was the one who did that.

Why bother mentioning the Farm Bill?

The Farm Bill was the price we paid to gain control of the Senate, so we could get judges confirmed.

Now, let's face it, "Republican", you ain't no Republican. You hate the Republican President who is the most popular President in Republican history. You spent all your firepower on a Republican instead of Democrats. You are a conservative purist, not a Republican. Your hero is probably PJB or some other disloyal Republican.

39 posted on 12/13/2002 3:37:57 AM PST by patriciaruth
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I agree with you. But I am also very upset that so many people at this forum will not allow me to consider myself a conservative, let alone a simple Republican, because I do not hold their extreme views.
40 posted on 12/13/2002 3:41:51 AM PST by patriciaruth
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No it isn’t. What you have done is take the passage of scripture over time and taken accounts of people twisting Christianity as King James did for their own purposes in order to distort the whole meaning of faith and take those abuses and then denounce the faith as a whole while making ludicrous, unsupported insinuations that people of faith or that endorse faith are planning something that even Machiavelli couldn’t have conceived of and that is nothing short of lunacy and paranoia.

It is this type of malarkey, this shadow boxing with this exaggerated boogieman called the “religious right” that serves as one big distraction and propaganda reel for the true enemy, which is this creeping socialist menace.

I suppose I shouldn’t mention that we are attempting to ride into power to do what: give people freedom by abolishing income tax, ending social security, and so forth. All of which you conceive to be a diabolical scheme to get power when I’m interested in empowering the people as the founding fathers did. I suppose the fact that America is a Christian nation and the bible was the most cited by the founding fathers really must erk you.
41 posted on 12/13/2002 3:45:36 AM PST by Republican_Strategist
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You know, as a scientist, I might agree with you, but as one of those people who heard the Holy Spirit and saw the Light and came back, I have to remark that "there are more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

As surprising as it may be to you, the fairy tale is true.

42 posted on 12/13/2002 3:54:02 AM PST by patriciaruth
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Republicans must be very careful about overplaying their hand on Lott. When he resigns his post, my bet is he resigns from the Senate. There will be a new Demo. senator at that time. That will make it very enticing for McCain, who is pondering running on the Dem slate, to switch. Then we are minority again.

Lets get off Lotts back for a silly remark in which he never once mentioned racism or segregation. Let the Repub. senators decide by vote if he stays as Majority leader.

43 posted on 12/13/2002 3:55:55 AM PST by doosee
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So you don't believe in tax cuts? Or you are angry that you didn't get the whole pie the first time out and are blaming me?

Yes, I believe in tax cuts. I believe in abolishing income tax, the AMT tax, and so forth. My point is that Bush’s small, flawed tax cut is perceived as being something extremely conservative when in fact it isn’t. And you basically avoided the whole point.

So you don't believe in forcing liberal teachers to start teaching facts instead of liberalism? You want to just let them continue to control brainwashing our children? We didn't have control of the Senate when compromises were made to get the bill through that begins to challenge liberal control of education.

Bush’s Education Bill was written by Ted Kennedy for crying out loud and you pretend like it is forcing teachers to actually teach? You seem to be unable to confront the fact of the matter. So you blame compromises? No, Bush surrendered and he let the liberals dictate to him. That isn’t leadership and that isn’t remotely conservative.

I sent a contribution to the NRA to fight it and the Supreme Court will be hearing the case this next session.

Okay. I’ll let you slide even though you didn’t address my question of whether or not you supported Bush’s signing it. At least you didn’t excuse that one.

Neither the President nor I supported this idea but our representatives voted for it.

Then why didn’t the President even fight the democrats on it? Did he lose his veto pen?

The President made a deal to not prosecute the Clintons? Funny, I thought Ken Starr was the one who did that.

Bill O’Reilly on his radio program uncovered that Bush made a deal with Congressional democrats not to go after Clinton and I think that was a tragedy, but of course you are in the dark on that. No, your hero Trent Lott made quite an effort to put on a mock impeachment proceeding and Robert Ray gave Clinton that slap on the wrist and Bush didn’t even remark about it.

The Farm Bill was the price we paid to gain control of the Senate, so we could get judges confirmed.

The Farm Bill symbolizes three key things: Socialism, Big Government, and wasting tax dollars. The farm bill will cost households at least $1,805 in higher taxes. The farm bill will cost households $2,572 in inflated food prices. The farm bill will provide subsidies to an already steady and thriving industry. The farm bill promotes further consolidation of farms. The farm bill censors information regarding the recipients of subsidies. There are a ton of other problems. You simply excuse this blatant waste of tax dollars by saying it is the “reason” we took back the Senate? Now, let's face it, "Republican", you ain't no Republican. You hate the Republican President who is the most popular President in Republican history. You spent all your firepower on a Republican instead of Democrats. You are a conservative purist, not a Republican. Your hero is probably PJB or some other disloyal Republican.

My hero is Ann Coulter nonetheless. You are right, the only reason I support Bush and republicans is because they are the lesser of two evils and I’m much more ideologically in agreement with say the Constitution Party. The Republican Party has become too infected by the likes of you, which weaken it internally and turn it into a whore for the DNC. When it comes to say, prescription drug coverage, rather than opposing that socialist proposal….people like you embrace it. Then the only difference between you and a democrat is that they want it to be larger.

What you are doing is trying to accuse anyone demanding leadership and representation of being a purist and you want to purge the party to a point where it’ll really be no different than the DNC.
44 posted on 12/13/2002 4:09:09 AM PST by Republican_Strategist
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I believe in abolishing income tax, the AMT tax, and so forth.

I have believed in abolishing the income tax (taxing production) for decades. In fact, the Bush administration has been working on simplifying the tax code as a prelude to a national debate on whether to abolish the income tax altogether and what other system of taxation should be put in its place.

Bush’s Education Bill was written by Ted Kennedy for crying out loud

Ted didn't write the parts that mandate testing and accountability with disaggregated reporting of results nor the parts that train teachers in real teaching methods.

Then why didn’t the President even fight the democrats on it? Did he lose his veto pen? [federalizing airline inspections]

He did fight it and did speak out against it. But knitting back the nation's wounds from 9/11 took precedent over making you deliriously happy.

Bill O’Reilly on his radio program uncovered that Bush made a deal with Congressional democrats not to go after Clinton and I think that was a tragedy, but of course you are in the dark on that.

Yep, I'm in the dark on that, even though I watch O'Reilly almost every day.

Robert Ray gave Clinton that slap on the wrist and Bush didn’t even remark about it.

Bush's strategy has gained Republicans control of the Senate, whatever you think about his decision on signing CFR and letting the Supremes sort it out or his decision not to stir up the recriminations pot and trade accusations and acrimony with the Dems over Clinton's past sins. Without this strategy, Republicans would not now have control of the Senate, which you are fighting so hard to throw away right now.
Could we pretty please just get the judges through before you demand Lott's head?

The Farm Bill symbolizes three key things: Socialism, Big Government, and wasting tax dollars. The farm bill will cost households at least $1,805 in higher taxes. The farm bill will cost households $2,572 in inflated food prices. The farm bill will provide subsidies to an already steady and thriving industry. The farm bill promotes further consolidation of farms. The farm bill censors information regarding the recipients of subsidies. There are a ton of other problems. You simply excuse this blatant waste of tax dollars by saying it is the “reason” we took back the Senate?

Yep, it worked.

My hero is Ann Coulter nonetheless.

I adore her.

You are right, I’m much more ideologically in agreement with say the Constitution Party.

You're right, I'm Right.

The Republican Party has become too infected by the likes of you,

You don't remember the Republican party of Eisenhower and Rockefeller, do you? You would call Ike a RINO and Rockefeller a liberal infiltrator, when he was probably closer to Teddy Roosevelt than any Republican you know.

prescription drug coverage, rather than opposing that socialist proposal….people like you embrace it. The only difference between you and a democrat is that they want it to be larger.

No, prescription drug coverage is a lousy idea but like the farm bill, it was the price we paid to win Florida in 2000. And yes, the Faustian pact allows us to cut the scale of what the Dems would have passed if Gore had won.

What you are doing is trying to accuse anyone demanding leadership and representation of being a purist and you want to purge the party to a point where it’ll really be no different than the DNC.

We have leadership. It's not what you want, but then you have admitted you are not a Republican at heart. It's what a majority of Americans want. Government of the people, not of the extremists.

As for the Democrats, they hate me more than you do. I believe in a strong national defense and saying the pledge of allegiance in schools. I am an NRA member and believe the Second Amendment is more important than any other part of the Constitution. I am pro-life. I believe X42 is a sociopath and committed rape and treason and perjury, among other more petty crimes, and would never have taken office in the first place in 1992 if people had not voted for pie in the sky and an chance to check under the hood and see the crazy aunt in the attic. And in 1996, I found out that when Lincoln said "you can fool some of the people all the time" he had no idea how very many people that was.

I close with some words of that RINO who infected the Republican Party, President Ronald Reagan.

"When I began entering into the give and take of legislative bargaining in Sacramento, a lot of the most radical conservatives who had supported me during the election didn't like it. "Compromise" was a dirty word to them and they wouldn't face the fact that we couldn't get all of what we wanted today. They wanted all or nothing and they wanted it all at once. If you don't get it all, some said, don't take anything.
"I'd learned while negotiating union contracts that you seldom got everything you asked for. And I agreed with FDR, who said in 1933: 'I have no expectations of making a hit every time I come to bat. What I seek is the highest possible batting average.'
"If you got seventy-five or eighty percent of what you were asking for, I say, you take it and fight for the rest later, and that's what I told these radical conservatives who never got used to it."

Ronald Reagan, from his autobiography, An American Life

45 posted on 12/13/2002 4:50:03 AM PST by patriciaruth
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46 posted on 12/13/2002 4:52:08 AM PST by shuckmaster
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Republicans need to quit being all so willing to just call for Lott’s head on a platter and they need to quit trying to appease the racial sensitivity police with such preemptive actions.

Well said.

47 posted on 12/13/2002 4:52:54 AM PST by slimer
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What Republican in the senate despises Daschle the most? Find that person and make him leader. It's time to find someone who is going to lead the party instead of trying to cower to the Dems.


48 posted on 12/13/2002 5:18:09 AM PST by unixfox
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Boy, this is a fun one to wade into.

To not see where Lott has been feckless as Majority Leader is to be blind. He follows in a long line of "play nice with the RATS" leaders like Bob Michel, Howard Baker and Bob Dole, who always volunteered themselves and the party to look for the soap in the shower with the RATS. Take your pick: he's awful even without what he did to the House Managers, or even if he were 100% rock solid otherwise, he's awful for what he did to the House Managers. Either way, he should never lead a Girl Scout troop let alone the Senate Republicans.

Contrast what's going on right now in these parts and elsewhere in the conservative/Republican world with the reaction to the firestorm around Dick Armey saying, "Barney Fag" instead of "Barney Frank" (and on the House floor no less!). Not a peep about Armey stepping down from his post on this side of the aisle. Why? Because he was true to the principles and ideals of what we believe.

Let's face it, Lott didn't hold an early election for Majority Leader because he had a conflict with a hair appointment. He did it to head off any movement to dump him. That's not the action of someone firmly in control of his caucus.

So, much to the chagrin and frustration of his detractors, he engineered the early election and won, setting up the prospect of a hard fought battle to regain control of both houses being negated. Recall that the 1994 Contract with America hit a wall in the Senate when the RINOs and the deficit hawks s**t themselves over tax cuts, spending cuts and dynamic scoring. I'll never forget Domenici doing his best Brutus routine before Teddy and the boys could even find a microphone by saying balancing the budget comes before tax cuts. In other words, tax cuts were DOA in the Senate, a Republican Senate. Lott's re-election to Majority Leader promised more of the same.

Then this debacle comes along, and his position as Majority Leader is vulnerable. It's like having term limits passed nationwide with a retroactive option: you suddenly see a way to get rid of unremovable Congress members like Byrd, Kennedy, Gephardt, and Markey.

Lott did something stupid and now there's an opening that did not exist before to remove him as leader. He can stay in the Senate, and in fact has to because of Mississippi's RAT governor, but he has to go as Majority Leader. That sentiment was around long before last Thursday.

49 posted on 12/13/2002 5:20:36 AM PST by Dahoser
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Why don't you RINOs go crawling & slithering back under your DNC rocks?

5 posted on 12/13/2002 5:30 AM EST by Republican_Strategist



You have no credibility on this forum after posting this! You obviously have not taken the time to read patriciaruth's insightful posts over the years.
50 posted on 12/13/2002 5:31:53 AM PST by maica
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