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Senate Source Threatens Vote of Confidence/No Confidence Unless Lott Racial Firestorm Stops
ABC News and the Los Angeles Times ^ | December 13, 2002 | Richard Simon and Janet Hook

Posted on 12/13/2002 7:40:55 AM PST by ewing

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To: Cowboy Bob
What the Majority leader says is that the country would have been better off if you had achieved the highest office you sought.

That would be tame under any other circumstance. But when that campaign was based upon the continuation of forced segration, it becomes a loaded statement.

61 posted on 12/13/2002 9:34:42 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: ssantomaur
DING DING DING....we have a winner....

"He should stick it to the Dems on the way out by proposing a change to Senate Rules that no Klansman or Former Klansman (aka Robert Byrd) can Serve as a Committee Chair or Ranking Member. Let's see how the Hypocrite Rats try to weasel out of that vote to punish one of their racist collegues.

62 posted on 12/13/2002 9:38:43 AM PST by spokeshave
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To: brbethke; All
This whole sorry mess is a political hit job, pure and simple, and the fingerprints of Terry McAuliffe, James Carville, and Hillary Clinton are all over this one.

That reminds me... Right after Lott said this on TV, some FReeper started an actual thread to call everyone's attention to it, stating he feared it would become a big deal. Who was that? I can't find the original thread using the FR search engine. And what actual day did Lott say it?

63 posted on 12/13/2002 9:39:04 AM PST by Nita Nuprez
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To: dirtboy; cynicom
Please read 63. Do either of you remember which day it happened?
64 posted on 12/13/2002 9:41:09 AM PST by Nita Nuprez
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To: puroresu
This business of demonizing people for their past is just plain wrong.

The past was sound asleep. But Lott woke it up - HE SAID that some "problems" would have been avoided had Thurmond been elected.

65 posted on 12/13/2002 9:42:13 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Nita Nuprez
Nita...seems like I recall of what you speak, but not the poster or when.
66 posted on 12/13/2002 9:58:09 AM PST by cynicom
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To: dirtboy
If it means that Lott falls on his sword while Byrd keeps his post, so be it. That is the price of integrity. Otherwise, everything we fought for with Clinton's impeachment is just words, mere verbage to be discarded when inconvenient or politically inexpedient.

I second you on that. As someone once said, one of the disadvantages of being a noble is that you're occasionally obliged to act like one.

You'll probably get some grief for saying so, though. There are a fair number of people at FR who don't think any principle is more important than getting more power for the GOP.

For me, I just don't want somebody this dumb in an important position. I believed that before this current silly controversy came up. It reminds me of the check-kiting scandal in the House years ago; the apologists for the Reps who bounced checks said that gee, no taxpayer dollars were lost, so why should we care? My reply was that we shouldn't entrust billions of taxpayer dollars to somebody too stupid to balance his own checkbook.

67 posted on 12/13/2002 10:02:30 AM PST by alpowolf
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To: puroresu
I belong to an online pro-life club. We have among our members people who were formerly pro-abortion. We have women who have had abortions as members. Should we throw them out of our club because they weren't as "enlightened" as we were five years ago? One young lady in our club has a sister who is strongly pro-abortion, but she still loves her. Should I encourage her to hate her and have nothing to do with her until she becomes pro-life?

Once again, Lott spoke FAVORABLY of Thurmond winning the Mississippi electoral votes - and said the nation might have been better off had Thurmond won the presidency. If you have someone in your group who was pro-abort, now claims to be pro-life, but then speaks favorably of pro-abort positions, wouldn't you question their integrity towards the pro-life cause? Of course you would. This is not about the dead past, but the attitudes here and now about the problems of the past.

This Political Correctness has to be stopped or it will destroy us as a nation. For God's sake, give it a rest.

Sorry, but being strongly opposed to even the whiff of official, government segregation is hardly P.C. - this country was founded on the notion that all men are created equal, and upon the concept of equal protection under the law. Forced segregation is toxic to those hallowed notions, and resoundingly opposed by all who cherish what this country is about.

But please stop hounding him for saying a few nice words about an elderly man who hasn't been a segregationist for decades.

Once again, Lott resurrect the dead past, and now he's paying for it. Quit blaming us the way Hillary blamed the VRWC for Bill's predicament, and put the blame exactly where it belongs - on Trent Lott's shoulders.

68 posted on 12/13/2002 10:03:39 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: alpowolf
The only way Lott should step down as Leader (at this time), is if ALL the Congressional members of the Black Caucus resign from Congress and admit they are members of a racist organization that does not admit whites. After they're gone, Lott should step back to his regular Senate seat and a REAL Conservative should be elected to the post.
69 posted on 12/13/2002 10:10:06 AM PST by Highest Authority
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To: detective
"Can somebody explain to me why Senator Kennedy can kill his girlfriend and noone questions his fitness to serve in the Senate while Senator Lott makes an innapropriate comment at a birthday party, apologizes several times and yet he is expected to resign."

I think Lott should continue to represent the State of Mississippi in the Senate. He may have damaged his ability to effectively serve as head of the Republican Party in the Senate as Majority Leader, however. The request for resignation by some, myself included, is to resign as Majority Leader and let someone else who is not tainted by stupid remarks take over.

70 posted on 12/13/2002 10:10:45 AM PST by Tom Jefferson
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To: dirtboy
dirt...

In politics everything is speculation and or opinions, it is not a science. All I know is that I and many others gave time and money in the effort to regain control of the senate. I would hate to see that achievement squandered. If righteous indignation over something that transpired forty years ago, is to be more important than control of the senate, then so be it. Tom Daschle would be only to happy to maintain his position, meanwhile he tolerates Robert Byrd with no problem, a man that is third in line for the presidency.

There seems to be no indignation on anyones part about that, why, because the democrats understand that sanctimonious, self righteous indignation has no place in hardball politics. Power, you either have it or you do not, Bush and Lott through thru combined incompetence may very well be handing it back to the democrats.

We may however stand tall, in the minority again, being the moral party. So be it.

71 posted on 12/13/2002 10:12:06 AM PST by cynicom
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To: cynicom
>>...Were Lott a democrat, there would nothing from his friends...<<

Amen. The problem with Conservatives is that we're TOO principled.

We know Lott is bad so we're willing to use this to get rid of him.

We should stand behind him against the Demonrats then when this all blows over call on him to step down as ML.

72 posted on 12/13/2002 10:15:07 AM PST by FReepaholic
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To: Highest Authority
I don't say, "I'm going to steal all I want, until everybody else quits stealing." It doesn't work that way.
73 posted on 12/13/2002 10:18:57 AM PST by alpowolf
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To: cynicom
There seems to be no indignation on anyones part about that, why, because the democrats understand that sanctimonious, self righteous indignation has no place in hardball politics.

The Dems, through their blind support of Clinton, lost the House, Sentate, governorships, state houses and, eventually, the Presidency. Maintaining integrity is essential in the long run for power politics - it is what got the GOP where it is today.

We may however stand tall, in the minority again, being the moral party. So be it.

First of all, we are not saying Lott should resign as Senator, just majority leader - so that will NOT change the Senate. And even if it were to change, we still control the House, the White House and SCOTUS. So that is hardly being in the minority, and I do not wish to act more like Dems to protect someone who isn't worthy of protection.

74 posted on 12/13/2002 10:19:14 AM PST by dirtboy
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What a hoot that Lott is deemed so ineffectice as a leader, when his job is to herd cats, not play politics like he is the reincarnation of Genghis Khan.The dems had a gut like that as Majority Leader.Those who say he was weak are naifs.He has to keep a coalition of primadonnas in line and do the best job possible.It doesn't require being a firebrand to be a good leader, just witness Daschle.The job of Majority Leader is to be a trimmer, and to get the President's agenda passed.As if he will set policy? What a joke! Bush is in charge.Lott takes his orders from him, and Lott's job will be to act like a Chief Whip.He has to find out what is feasible and attainable for the WH.

Lott is not supposed to be a hard charger of some later day William Wallace.Bush has that job, and considering the outcome after Novemeber 5th, just who here is qualified to second guess their abilities?
75 posted on 12/13/2002 10:26:19 AM PST by habs4ever
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To: GraniteStateConservative
being the protege of a white supremacist congressman

Wasn't Slick Willie a protege of Orville Faubus?

76 posted on 12/13/2002 10:28:53 AM PST by ambrose
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To: Nita Nuprez
>Do either of you remember which day it happened?

Nita,
How about this one posted by ewing the day after the bday party?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/803452/posts
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Moment of Truth-National Review Asks for Added Clarification of Lott's Remarks to Thurmond
National Review Magazine ^ | Dec. 9, 2002 | David Frum

Posted on 12/09/2002 11:33 AM EST by ewing

I cannot help thinking that this story is not over

-That Republicans will hear Sen. Lott's words quoted at them again and again in the coming months.
77 posted on 12/13/2002 10:31:38 AM PST by cloud8
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To: cloud8
Yeah, I guess it is. But I was thinking someone started a thread the day it happened. Guess I was wrong.

Thanks for finding that!
78 posted on 12/13/2002 10:43:52 AM PST by Nita Nuprez
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To: Cowboy Bob
I'm not sure this wil radically change the vote strategy in the south, (if it can be handed properly) although we will find out beginning in March when Haley Barbour runs for Governor in Mississippi.
79 posted on 12/13/2002 10:52:42 AM PST by ewing
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To: churchillbuff; holdonnow
Likewise with Byrd. If he wanted to be Dem leader, you'd hear about his KKK past.

Byrd was Senate Dem leader for 12 years back in the 70's and 80's. I didn't hear a peep out of anybody then.

He is currently chairman of the powerful Appropriations Committee (a position he preferred to being party leader) and president pro tem of the Senate, fourth in the line of presidential succession. If the Dems succeed in retaining a Senate majority out of this, he'll retain both positions. Even if they don't, he'll still be ranking member of the Appropriations Committee, no weak position.

80 posted on 12/13/2002 11:19:54 AM PST by aristeides
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