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Boot Hill beckons for new gunslingers (TO STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS)
The Daily Telegraph ^ | December 14, 2002 | Oliver Poole

Posted on 12/13/2002 5:28:35 PM PST by MadIvan

The days of frontier justice have returned to Tombstone, the legendary outlaw outpost where the old West really was Wild and Wyatt Earp, his brothers and Doc Holliday walked up to the OK Corral to battle it out with the Clanton gang.

Now the only gunshots in town are the blanks fired off as the showdown is recreated for tourists. But, behind the shops hawking Earp T-shirts and Doc ashtrays, a group of local desperados have, to the horror of Tombstone's law-abiding citizens, decided it is time to strap on their gunbelts for real and take the law into their hands one more time.

Their target is not cattle rustlers or horse thieves but illegal immigrants who sneak across the border, bringing with them, they insist, drugs, weapons and a new class of criminals.

Forty local men have pledged to create a militia to stop them. They include David McCallister, who has been wearing a gun since he was 16. Now 53, he said he had recently been shot at by illegal immigrants who he found trying a night crossing. He fired back but no one was injured.

Then there is Henry Esparza, 50, who said the illegal immigrants caused US-born Hispanics like himself to "lose respect" from the rest of the community, and Lawrence Joyce, 48, a local lawyer who said he had heard a rumour that Arabs were dressing as Mexicans to cross the border and spread terror in America.

Their leader is Chris Simcox, 42, a former Los Angeles primary school teacher who is now editor of the local newspaper, the Tombstone Tumbleweed, and spends his spare time with a .45 handgun scouring riverbeds for outlaws.

More than one million illegal immigrants are expected to be detained this year along the Mexican border but up to three times as many are predicted to get through. Mr Simcox says he has seen numerous groups pass Tombstone at night, sometimes on foot, other times in Jeeps with the lights off, and says that people have had enough of government inaction.

"I dare the President of the United States to arrest Americans who are protecting their own country," he challenged. It is this disdain for existing law enforcement and the scale of people's frustration at the government's present border policies that worries the authorities. For it is not only Tombstone that is taking matters into its own hands. Two other militia groups are understood to be already operating in Arizona.

In Texas, a band calling itself the Ranch Rescue is patrolling. Last month it claimed to have chased a group of marijuana smugglers back into Mexico. In the Sierra Vista a group known as the American Border Patrol has set up its own surveillance equipment to monitor the situation.

Scare stories about armed gringos shooting at families crossing the border have already started appearing in the Mexican press.

In Tombstone, Dusty Escapule, the mayor, says he fears the new militia will attract to town "radicals who want to go on a human hunt". Mr Simcox insists the guns his men carry are only for self-protection. But what everyone agrees on is that it is only a matter of time before someone gets killed.

The Clanton gang can expect new neighbours in the graveyard at Boothill.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: Texas; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: borderpatrol; illegals; tombstone
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FYI.

Regards, Ivan


1 posted on 12/13/2002 5:28:36 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: Delmarksman; Sparta; Toirdhealbheach Beucail; TopQuark; TexKat; Iowa Granny; vbmoneyspender; ...
Bump!
2 posted on 12/13/2002 5:28:52 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
How do I sign up?

Florida Freeper bump!
3 posted on 12/13/2002 5:35:03 PM PST by MonroeDNA
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To: MadIvan

Clockwise from top left: Wyatt, Virgil, James Earp, Doc Holliday, and Morgan Earp (center)

4 posted on 12/13/2002 5:35:33 PM PST by 45Auto
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To: MadIvan
But what everyone agrees on is that it is only a matter of time before someone gets killed.

Now, I'm not endorsing Mr. Simcox's tactics with this litle project, but it is worth pointing out that the line above originated in an LA times piece this past Sunday. The source was given as Mr. Simcox himself, agreeing that someone would eventually get killed, but that someone would be one of his group, killed by a drug smuggler.

The international flurry of hit pieces against these three groups is revealing, in the attempt to demonize these 'vigilantes', while attempting to justify or ignore breaking the U.S.'s border control laws.

Things are about to get very interesting.

5 posted on 12/13/2002 5:36:17 PM PST by absalom01
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To: MadIvan
So now a group of people trying to protect their property and way of life are "desperados".

I spit on journalists who misuse definitions to advance an agenda. I suppose it's OK for me to call them 'propagandists'. Actually, the true moniker for these idiots is 'LIAR'!

I think that we have gone over the edge, and it's a matter of time before armed conflict breaks out between various factions in this country and some of our neighbors. So-called journalists have become a willing fifth column in the US. I just hope that these 'propagandists' are high on the frag list.

6 posted on 12/13/2002 5:38:59 PM PST by wcbtinman
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To: MadIvan
The Clanton gang can expect new neighbours in the graveyard at Boothill.

The Clantons aren't buried at Boot Hill. Boot Hill is in Dodge City, Kansas.

7 posted on 12/13/2002 5:39:27 PM PST by AF68
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To: absalom01
Yes, it is going to get VERY interesting.

It is our rights to form militia to protect our borders if the Federal and state governments are not going to do anything. They have forced these patriots to do what they are doing.

If the Feds and the states had been doing their job, we wouldn't need this.
8 posted on 12/13/2002 5:43:16 PM PST by Aric2000
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To: MadIvan
It doesn't mention that to carry they must have a permit, which means they were cleared by the FBI. (Their way of trying to screen themselves) CD
9 posted on 12/13/2002 5:44:00 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: Boot Hill
Ping
10 posted on 12/13/2002 5:44:55 PM PST by jmc813
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To: AF68
I was thinking the same thing although to be fair, most old West towns had their own "boot hill" or at least it's equivalent.

BTW I used to live in Dodge City. There is a remnant of the original in the current re-creation. I understand the original one is now covered by the nearby grammar school.

11 posted on 12/13/2002 5:50:36 PM PST by yarddog
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To: MadIvan
Scare stories about armed gringos shooting at families crossing the border have already started appearing in the Mexican press.

Excellent!

12 posted on 12/13/2002 5:57:14 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: AF68
Oh did you misspell? I thought it was the "Clinton Gang". heehee
13 posted on 12/13/2002 6:10:34 PM PST by widowithfoursons
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To: MadIvan
El Presidente Fox needs to be told kindly but firmly he needs more of an economic plan than exporting all his people who want to move north. Mexico is a kleptocracy and many have become wealthy by it.
14 posted on 12/13/2002 6:13:54 PM PST by Vigilanteman
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To: Tancredo Fan; Joe Hadenuf; Marine Inspector
ping
15 posted on 12/13/2002 6:18:00 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: CindyDawg
Arizona is an open carry state:

Carrying without a permit
Date updated: Thursday, July 11, 2002

Arizona: Laws and Summaries:

Arizona is an open carry state. Handguns should be holstered when not actually in use to avoid issues related to brandishing or questions regarding the concealed nature of the firearm. The law states that as long as a portion of the holster is visible, the weapon is not concealed. It is recommended that at least 2-3 inches of the holster be visible. Fanny packs designed to carry a handgun do not qualify as a holster; only permit holders may carry a weapon in a fanny pack (State v. Moerman). An unholstered handgun carried by a non-permitee which is only partially visible is considered concealed, hence the recommendation to keep carried handguns holstered. Weapons carried in a vehicle that are not in a holster or case must be clearly visible and obvious, unless the weapon is in the trunk, glove box or a storage compartment of the vehicle. Weapons may be transported/carried loaded or unloaded. Indian reservations do not usually allow open carry on reservation lands (Indian Nations). Other locations may be posted "no weapons" or be covered under State or Federal law

16 posted on 12/13/2002 6:21:14 PM PST by Hipixs
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To: 45Auto
I enjoy seeing the different film interpretations of the Gunfight at the OK Corral, including "Tombstone" with Val Kilmer as Doc Holliday. It always amuses me that the character of Doc Holliday has the best lines in these movies and steals scenes from Wyatt Earp.
17 posted on 12/13/2002 6:22:56 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: Travis McGee
After half a dozen or so illegals get killed the border crossings will slow way down if it gets publicized enough.
18 posted on 12/13/2002 6:26:03 PM PST by dalereed
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To: MadIvan
BUMP
19 posted on 12/13/2002 6:30:37 PM PST by RippleFire
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To: wcbtinman
I think that we have gone over the edge, and it's a matter of time before armed conflict breaks out between various factions in this country and some of our neighbors.

I agree. It may be against our neighbors, among ourselves, or both. Interesting indeed.
20 posted on 12/13/2002 6:34:25 PM PST by johnb838
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To: AF68
The Tombstone Cemetery is also called Boot Hill.
21 posted on 12/13/2002 6:37:46 PM PST by JackelopeBreeder
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To: MadIvan
Mr. Oliver Poole, nobbody ever said that that protecting your property, home, and homeland from invasion would be with danger.

It seems these people are just meeting their community responsibility; because of the fact their federal and local governments seem to think it is politically incorrect to use adequate measures to do so.

22 posted on 12/13/2002 6:44:16 PM PST by RAY
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To: AF68
"Here lies Les More.

Four shots from a .44.

No Les, No More."

--Inscription on a tombstone at Boot Hill Cemetery, Tombstone, Arizona.
23 posted on 12/13/2002 6:48:44 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard
That exact or nearly exact inscription is also on a tombstone in Boot Hill cemetery in Dodge City, Kansas.

I suspect there are several more, Les Moore's buried in other Western towns, probably all fictional.<p.It is clever tho.

24 posted on 12/13/2002 6:55:24 PM PST by yarddog
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To: MadIvan
WHAT IF the FedGov continues to do nothing?

What if the BATFags are not sent in to confiscate "gun hoards"? What if the FBI does not investigate the inevitable border shootings?

This will be the ultimate expression of the old republic if 2 years from now, the Federal Military was used to put down foreign aggressors (in Iraq? etc?) -AND- no FEDERAL action has been taken against the border-protecting citizen "militias" as it most certainly would have in Reno days.

A guy can dream caint he????....

Of course, if the States themselves choose to do something, well that's ok by me, just keep the Feds in DC or Iraq.

25 posted on 12/13/2002 7:06:51 PM PST by sam_paine
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To: CindyDawg
It doesn't mention that to carry they must have a permit,...

In Arizona no permit is required for open carry.

26 posted on 12/13/2002 7:14:23 PM PST by CPOSharky
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To: CPOSharky
I know but I thought in a previous article they said all members were going to be required to get a concealed permit. They were going to use the government to do background checks to weed out felons and criminals from participating.
27 posted on 12/13/2002 7:22:30 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: CindyDawg
That makes sense. But if I was "on patrol" I would want the weapon handy, not hidden away/

(I used to live across the river from Tombstone and may again in the near future.)
28 posted on 12/13/2002 7:28:56 PM PST by CPOSharky
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Scare stories about armed gringos shooting at families crossing the border have already started appearing in the Mexican press.

This is nothing new. Every now and then there will be a show on Mexican TV showing a disheveled Border Patrol Agent mowing down an enitre family of illegals in a river bed. You should have seen the lies the Mexican press told after one of my fellow agents shot a smuggler. They didn't even try to twist or misrepresent the facts. They just blatantly lied.

29 posted on 12/13/2002 7:32:02 PM PST by Ajnin
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To: CPOSharky
Yeah, I don't think it's an issue for these guys either. Looks like they are just using the FBI do their security checks for them. Kind of sneaky. (I like it)
30 posted on 12/13/2002 7:33:54 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: GovernmentShrinker
If these guys start to slow down the drug traffic they are in trouble. Both from the druggies and our own corrupt people.
31 posted on 12/13/2002 7:37:14 PM PST by willyone
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To: Hipixs
Believe it or not Cali. used to have similiar regulations. Be vigilant.
32 posted on 12/13/2002 7:39:00 PM PST by willyone
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To: CindyDawg
Jeeze, you mean the gubment is good for something? LOL
33 posted on 12/13/2002 7:40:50 PM PST by CPOSharky
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To: MadIvan
Can I throw this diaper in your yard?


34 posted on 12/13/2002 7:49:53 PM PST by rockfish59
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To: MadIvan
But, behind the shops hawking Earp T-shirts and Doc ashtrays, a group of local desperados have, to the horror of Tombstone's law-abiding citizens, decided it is time to strap on their gunbelts for real and take the law into their hands one more time.

How's that for twisted coverage. The law abiding citizens forming a posse to deal with lawbreakers are "desperados". Presumably the law abiding citizens in horror of this are the ACLU and MALDEF.

35 posted on 12/13/2002 8:12:17 PM PST by Hugin
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To: dalereed
The president could seal the border air tight in one month with one executive decision.

"Due to the increased threat of terrorist infiltration, I am hereby changing the rules of engagement for our Border Patrol. Anyone found in the no-go border strip will be presumed to be a terrorist infiltrator, and will be shot. Don't cross the border away from official crossings, or we cannot be responsible for your safety."

I think the mere announcement would do it.

36 posted on 12/13/2002 11:38:33 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: jmc813; tacticalogic; takenoprisoner; sam_paine
This kind of story is what's been passing recently for responsible reporting on the immigration crisis. It is a hit piece designed to paint law abiding citizens, exercising there right to make a lawful citizen's arrest and defend life and property, as extremist vigilantes. Here is a short selection of examples that was used to set the tone and tenor of fear and lawlessness in the above story:

Folks, it's time to take a quick review of just what vigilante justice really is and compare that to what the Tombstone Militia proposes.
vigilante n. U.S. 1. One of a body of men self-organized for the enforcement of law, public morality and the administration of summary justice. 2. A member of a Vigilance committee: also vigilance man.
Is the Tombstone Militia proposing to make lawful citizen arrests or are they planning on a lynching? Are they doing this to force their style of public morality or to enforce the law? Will they turn the law breakers over to local authorities or employ summary justice? Are they responding to repel an actual invasion of their state, in the best tradition of our founding fathers, or are they just imagining this crisis?

OK, I give up. Would somebody please show me where the vigilantism is in the proposal to organize the Tombstone Militia?

The author leaves the story's real question unasked and unanswered: Since Art.I, Sec.8, cl.15 and Art.IV, Sec.4 of the Constitution require the federal government to act to protect the states from invasion, by what right have they abdicated their requirement to act?

Hang 'em high,

Boot Hill

(PS: jmc813, thanks for pinging me to this thread.)

37 posted on 12/14/2002 1:00:52 AM PST by Boot Hill
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AF68 claims:   "The Clantons aren't buried at Boot Hill. Boot Hill is in Dodge City, Kansas.."

While there were many cities and towns in the old west with a cemetery, formally or informally, called "Boot Hill", only a handful have survived to this day. One, of course, is located in Dodge City. Another two are in Montana; one in Powder River County and the other in Virginia City (Montana, not Nevada). But arguably the old west's most famous Boot Hill is located in Tombstone, Arizona, the site of "the shootout at the OK Corral".

And unless continental drift has gotten completely out of hand recently, the Clantons remain buried in the Boot Hill Cemetery located in Tombstone, Arizona.

(Ask me how I know...)

Regards,

Boot Hill

38 posted on 12/14/2002 1:43:06 AM PST by Boot Hill
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To: Boot Hill
I don't disagree with anything in your post although I personally would argue that Dodge City has the most famous "Boot Hill" cemetery.

There is no doubt that the shootout at the OK corral was the most famous gunfight in history tho.

39 posted on 12/14/2002 5:01:12 AM PST by yarddog
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To: MonroeDNA
How do I sign up?

Right here you go. They've been looking for a Florida volunteer coordinator, by the way- you may be able to do them an immense service without even having to leave your home state. Take a look and see what you think, and give Jack an e-mail at
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40 posted on 12/14/2002 8:06:33 AM PST by archy
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To: willyone
If these guys start to slow down the drug traffic they are in trouble. Both from the druggies and our own corrupt people.

Be cautious; the BushGestapo at Free Republic hates to hear people talk about their favourite presidente and his business partners that way.

-archy-/-

41 posted on 12/14/2002 8:10:44 AM PST by archy
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To: CindyDawg
You do NOT need a permit to "Open" carry in AZ or TX...
42 posted on 12/14/2002 8:12:58 AM PST by freddy
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To: freddy
You do NOT need a permit to "Open" carry in AZ or TX...

I know, I know! Read my other posts LOL CD
43 posted on 12/14/2002 8:17:30 AM PST by CindyDawg
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To: hinckley buzzard; AF68; JackelopeBreeder; yarddog; Boot Hill
"Here lies Les More.

Four shots from a .44

No Les, No More."

--Inscription on a tombstone at Boot Hill Cemetery, Tombstone, Arizona.

Not quite. The epitaph reads:

Here lies Lester Moore,
Four slugs from a .44,
No Les, No more.

It has also been observed that had it been an original epitaph from the period, it more likely would have read *Four balls from a .44....*

-archy-/-

44 posted on 12/14/2002 8:29:17 AM PST by archy
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To: MadIvan
Their target is not cattle rustlers or horse thieves but illegal immigrants who sneak across the border, bringing with them, they insist, drugs, weapons and a new class of criminals.

The worse danger they bring with them are opportunists who seek political power using the ignorance and greed of the growing population of their people.

45 posted on 12/14/2002 8:34:22 AM PST by William Terrell
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To: Boot Hill
While there wwere many cities and towns in the old west with a cemetery, formally or informally, called "Boot Hill", only a handful have survived to this day. One, of course, is located in Dodge City. Another two are in Montana; one in Powder River Country and the other in Virginia City(Montana, not Nevada). But arguably the old west's most famous Boot Hill is located in Tombstone, Arizona, the site of "the shootout at the OK Corral"

You may wish to add another *Boot Hill* to your list, since you are a likely source of expertise and a probable reference on the subject: the one in Idaho, at the Yankee Fork Mining District on the Salmon River, which includes both the main cemetery for the Bonanza mining settlement and a nearby *Boot Hill* adjunct facility.

-archy-/-

46 posted on 12/14/2002 8:40:25 AM PST by archy
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To: MadIvan
The people actually daring to protect themselves? What a dangerous idea! Maybe it will spread? Time to rid this country of illegal aliens and rampaging crack addicts who for some reason are molly coddled and idealized by our sick media and government.
47 posted on 12/14/2002 8:56:09 AM PST by Eternal_Bear
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To: yarddog
yarddog says:   "I don't disagree with anything in your post although..."

LOL, I knew that even when I modified "most famous" with "arguably", I was still going to catch some flak over that. I guess I tend to side with the Tombstone group only because that is where my political and ethical heart has always been.

Regards,

Boot Hill

48 posted on 12/14/2002 12:46:24 PM PST by Boot Hill
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Thanks for the heads up on that archy, I'll add it to the list.

Regards,

Boot Hill

49 posted on 12/14/2002 12:48:08 PM PST by Boot Hill
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To: johnb838
Thinking about this situation a bit more, I also see the following extrapolation: The state and federal govt's may be well afraid that if the vairous citizen border patrols are succesful, that this may be looked at as permission granted to other citizen groups looking to solve neglected law enforcement problems in their own backyards. Ie: the local crack house, child molester, or the village problem child.

I actually think that this is a good idea, and would rapidly solve many of the dangerous and irritating problems with our less considerate neighbors that the cops have no time for.

50 posted on 12/14/2002 1:22:41 PM PST by wcbtinman
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