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Sean Penn Says War in Iraq Is Avoidable
Yahoo News ^ | 12/15/02 | Alistair Lyon

Posted on 12/15/2002 8:39:16 AM PST by Libloather

Sean Penn Says War in Iraq Is Avoidable
Sun Dec 15, 7:05 AM ET
By Alistair Lyon

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - If a U.S.-led war with Iraq smears blood on his hands as an American citizen, Sean Penn wants to know why -- and he has come to Baghdad to find out.

"Absolutely I think war can be avoided, but obviously it's going to take enormous commitment on the part of the Iraqi government as well as the United States," the actor-director told Reuters television in an interview on Sunday.

"I will certainly do what I can to support that commitment to looking for other options," Penn said.

The former Hollywood bad boy and Oscar nominee paid for a $56,000 advertisement in the Washington Post in October accusing President Bush of stifling debate on Iraq.

He declined to renew his criticism of Bush on foreign soil, saying he would reserve political comments for his return home.

Bush has threatened war to topple President Saddam Hussein if he fails to abandon his alleged doomsday arsenal.

Penn said it would "suit us all" if Iraq fully disclosed any banned weapons it still has, but questioned whether U.S. national security concerns about this justified war.

Asked if his three-day trip to Baghdad might expose him to charges of lack of patriotism, Penn said he would be happy to debate anyone who made such accusations.

"I'm here for a simple reason, which is because I'm a patriot and an American who has benefited enormously from being an American, and because I had areas of personal concern and conscience that led me to come to Iraq.

"I believe, however I vote and whatever my perspective, that I do deserve the government I get," he said.

"And if there's going to be blood on my hands, I'm determined that it's not going to be invisible. That blood is not just Iraqi blood, it's the blood of American soldiers."

SMILING IN ADVERSITY

Penn's visit was organized by the Institute of Public Accuracy, a U.S. group of policy analysts.

He has toured a Baghdad children's hospital, wandered the streets without an Iraqi minder and had meetings with Deputy Prime Minister Tareq Aziz and Health Minister Umeed Madhat Mubarak -- who gave him a hard time for his smoking habit.

Penn said he had been touched by the warmth of ordinary Iraqis despite the tension and suffering of their daily lives.

"I do find it very moving, you know, the strength of a smile in those circumstances, and the smiles that I saw were abundant," he said.

Penn's advertisement in the Washington Post took the form of an open letter in which he urged Bush to stop a cycle where "bombing is answered by bombing, mutilation by mutilation, killing by killing."

"Sacrificing American soldiers or innocent civilians in an unprecedented pre-emptive attack on a separate sovereign nation may well prove itself a most temporary medicine," he said.

More than 100 other American celebrities, including Hollywood stars Kim Basinger, David Duchovny and Mia Farrow, signed an open letter last week which said rigorous United Nations inspections were the best way to disarm Iraq, not war.

"HEIGHTENED DESPERATION"

Asked to explain his interest in Iraq, Penn said it was the "current headline" for the Bush administration's war on terror.

"It's a war that is going to affect the generation of my children," he said.

"Because of the technology and the heightened desperation of the world today, I think it's very possible that we are facing the first century that will complete itself without mankind -- and that's not the future that I want for my children, or for their children," he declared.

Penn said his Iraq odyssey, by helping him to be aware of the times he lived in, could play into his professional life.

"Whatever story you have to tell, you have to be aware of who you are telling it to and what the benefit of it is, whether it's limited to amusement or a political statement, because short of that it's simply what someone does alone in a bathroom," the 42-year-old Californian said.

Did he hope to bridge the gap between American perceptions of Iraq and the reality?

"I have to start with bridging my own gap," he replied.

"Ultimately if I can do that in the way you expressed, that would be something I'd be very proud of."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: avoidable; iraq; seanpenn; war
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Penn said he would be happy to debate anyone who made such accusations.

Bring on the debates!

1 posted on 12/15/2002 8:39:17 AM PST by Libloather
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To: Libloather
and i say sean penn is avoidable.

dep

2 posted on 12/15/2002 8:42:00 AM PST by dep
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To: Libloather
"Sean Penn Says War in Iraq Is Avoidable"

Well, if Penn says so it's gotta be the straight truth, dude!
3 posted on 12/15/2002 8:42:47 AM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: Libloather
Penn said his Iraq odyssey, by helping him to be aware of the times he lived in, could play into his professional life.

Oh he's doing research for a new movie. I figured this was all about something really important.

4 posted on 12/15/2002 8:43:02 AM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: Libloather
Holy crap just because in our nation we can change the government through simple effective debate and nonviolent means doesn't mean the rest of the world operates that way. Particularly Saddam Hussein.

THE INSPECTORS WERE ALREADY DENIED ACCESS TO A BUILDING WHEN THEY ARRIVED!

But...nope, nobody pays attention to this.
5 posted on 12/15/2002 8:43:47 AM PST by anobjectivist
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To: Libloather
Mr Penn wants to take the lead for the Yellow Streak Democrats.

When his back is to the camera, you can see the strip of yellow CAUTION tape pinned to his collar.

6 posted on 12/15/2002 8:46:32 AM PST by bert
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To: Libloather
Sure war with Iraq is avoidable. All we need, is for Saddam to step aside, and permit open elections, with him not being a candidate for anything.

We could end the embargo on Cuba the same way, if Castro would simply step aside, and allow an open election.

If the clerics in Iran would turn the reins of government back to the elected officials, that would take them off the "axis of evil" list almost immediately.

The prescriptions for the world are so easy. Trouble is, nobody who is in a position to do so will follow them.
7 posted on 12/15/2002 8:46:40 AM PST by alloysteel
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To: Libloather
So Secretary of State Penn is going to give his report to President Sheen about the situation in Iraq. This ought to be interesting what an actor says about serious policy after three joints and hit on the ole' crack pipe.
8 posted on 12/15/2002 8:48:47 AM PST by Sparta
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To: Chi-townChief
"Sean Penn Says War in Iraq Is Avoidable"

Boy, aren't you glad the Dems have put experts on this case. I was hoping someone would finally step up to the plate.


9 posted on 12/15/2002 8:50:29 AM PST by unixfox
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To: Libloather
I used to enjoy an occasional movie.

Then these airhead actors began spouting their views as if they had somthing meaningful to cram down our throats.

Now I just pass on the movies and read.

Penn's views, and the views of all of these other actors, could not be more meaningless.
10 posted on 12/15/2002 8:52:12 AM PST by Pylot
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To: Libloather
Sean Penn should be avoidable.
11 posted on 12/15/2002 8:52:32 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: Sparta
So Secretary of State Penn is going to give his report to President Sheen about the situation in Iraq. This ought to be interesting what an actor says about serious policy after three joints and hit on the ole' crack pipe.

What has got to be most Alice-in-Wonderful surrealistic aspect of the times in modern America is the attention the modern media gives to entertainers regarding foreign policy. It's absolutely astounding to me that these people, few of whom are even college graduates, are courted for their personal opinions on complicated issues, as if they know more than the average citizen.

Imagine if a gaggle of hairdressers, architects, or postal workers held a press conference to tell us what their position was on the War on Iraq. They'd be laughed out the door. Why are these ENTERTAINERS given the time of day?? They're ENTERTAINERS!!! (and not very good ones at that).

12 posted on 12/15/2002 8:54:43 AM PST by Lizavetta
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To: Sparta
Part of the Parallel Universe inhabited by Democrats.
13 posted on 12/15/2002 8:54:57 AM PST by RGSpincich
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To: Libloather
Oh, gee. Now that the expert has been heard from, we can all breathe a sigh of relief...
14 posted on 12/15/2002 8:55:33 AM PST by mhking
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To: Libloather
Imagine all the CO² Penn is emitting in Bagdag! They oughta lock him up, maybe even hang him! The commiecrats are commited to the defeat of this country, you can bet on it. Got any chillin you wanna donate? They won't be the least bit insulted.
15 posted on 12/15/2002 8:56:52 AM PST by Waco
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To: Libloather
Who Cares what sean pinhead says
16 posted on 12/15/2002 9:00:34 AM PST by CONSERVE
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To: Libloather
Why does anyone pay the least bit of attention to what this idiot says. He has been shown Potemkin Village and knows the truth </sarcasm>
17 posted on 12/15/2002 9:01:00 AM PST by szweig
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To: Libloather
Ole Sean is running for Secretary of State because he sure isn't in a lot of movies these days.

These Hollywood actors are worthless. Their only purpose in life is to entertain us on the screen. The only reason half of them are political activists is because people listen to them and react.

Michael Douglas thinks that he has a legitimate shot at getting into British politics because he played one on TV. This is pretty typical. John Belushi was snorting so much coke that he actually thought that he was a legitimate musician. This is probably the case with Mikey, too.
18 posted on 12/15/2002 9:03:13 AM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: szweig
And for those, such as myself, who went to government schools and didn't until recently know what the phrase "Potemkin village" meant, here's a brief history lesson:

The phrase “Potemkin village” refers to the clever ruse by Russia’s Catherine the Great’s minister and lover, Count Potemkin, to convince his employer of the health of the countryside. All along the carriage route taken by Catherine on one of her royal inspection tours, Potemkin ordered that false cottages and villages be built and that peasants be press-ganged into waving and smiling at their queen. The trick worked and has come to represent the cynical distance which the clever politician can put between symbolism and reality.

19 posted on 12/15/2002 9:05:47 AM PST by Lizavetta
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To: Libloather
Sure, it is avoidable. Just like getting involved in WWII was avoidable. All we had to do was tuck our tails between our legs and slink off, preparing for the day when the Germans or the Japanese reached our shores. How to prepare? Learn their language, plan the "entry celebration" so that we could welcome them with open arms when they got here. Like the Vichy French. Yes, war is completely avoidable for cowards.
20 posted on 12/15/2002 9:11:10 AM PST by RedWhiteBlue
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To: Libloather
"Sean Penn Says War in Iraq Is Avoidable"


Maybe if we could force Saddam and the Republican Guard to
watch "Shanghai Surprise" a few times they would all commit suicide.War avoided
21 posted on 12/15/2002 9:25:21 AM PST by Paddyboy
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To: All
Sean WHO ????
22 posted on 12/15/2002 9:46:37 AM PST by navyblue
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To: Libloather
"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." --Samuel Adams


23 posted on 12/15/2002 9:53:18 AM PST by geedee
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To: Libloather
I'd be delighted to debate Penn, and sum it up:

"As it turns out, sir, a British person is more loyal to America than you are."

Regards, Ivan

25 posted on 12/15/2002 9:56:07 AM PST by MadIvan
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To: Libloather
SING FOR THE IDIOT
26 posted on 12/15/2002 9:58:26 AM PST by doug from upland
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To: Libloather
Penn, a true thinks man's man. /sarcasm
27 posted on 12/15/2002 9:59:07 AM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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To: dep
Sean Penn is "a void and full of bull"....
28 posted on 12/15/2002 9:59:13 AM PST by joesnuffy
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To: Libloather
To sean penn: Go suck an EGG!
29 posted on 12/15/2002 10:07:10 AM PST by wharfrat
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To: Libloather
I wonder if this idiot has ever heard of the word, treason?
30 posted on 12/15/2002 10:15:20 AM PST by freekitty
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To: wharfrat
Why would anyone be interested in what this dunce has to say, particularly about foreign policy? It is a waste of bandwidth.
31 posted on 12/15/2002 10:30:04 AM PST by Citizen Tom Paine
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To: Libloather
Like CONSERVE, Excuse My Bellicosity and Citizen Tom Paine say, why should we care what these Hollywood personalities have to say? Well, sadly, they get more air time than Michael Jordan. Thank God, there are people like Chuck Heston and Tom Selleck. We must decline from an argument with ignorant participants.
32 posted on 12/15/2002 10:49:14 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian
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To: Lizavetta
Money talks.
33 posted on 12/15/2002 10:54:19 AM PST by Sloopy
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To: geedee
Excellent!
34 posted on 12/15/2002 10:57:36 AM PST by Sloopy
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To: Libloather
Perhaps the draft should be reinstated, but restricted to zip code 90210.
35 posted on 12/15/2002 11:00:46 AM PST by Sloopy
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To: Libloather
"And if there's going to be blood on my hands, I'm determined that it's not going to be invisible. That blood is not just Iraqi blood, it's the blood of American soldiers."

Actually, Sean is closer to the truth than he might realize.

When committing US troops to action, the President does have their blood upon his hands and therefore, those that put him in power have their individual share as well. The alternative, however, is to have the blood of the American civilian population on one's hands. So SecState Penn, which would you choose?

The power we give the Commander In Chief is indeed awesome and not to ever be used lightly. I am absolutely certain that each drop of blood that is spilled weighs heavily upon the soul of our President. This is his gift to us, that he will accept the responsibility and pay the price so that we may continue to live in freedom, even to the point of one of us talking nonsense at the feet of the most evil person walking the earth today. The President makes this terrible choice because he knows the alternative is unacceptable, unconscionable, and immoral.

In the terrible calculus of "blood on the hand," how far up the arm does the blood for September 11th go on those that had Osama signed, sealed, and almost delivered? What say you, Mr. Penn? What is your share of blood from that? If we accept your premise, Citizen Penn, that we all share in the blood spilt by our leaders, then let's talk about the Iraqis. What is the share of blood that the Iraqi people bear, given them by their unanimously chosen leader?

This is the crux of the matter when we talk of the death of innocents. This is why we first try sanctions, as sanctions are always upon the people themselves and never their leadership. This is why 1.5 million children die (has anyone ever come even close to verifying this media "fact"?) when the humanitarian aid is diverted to build 53 palaces and who knows what kinds of armament horrors. What a gift of blood Saddam gives to his people. Why, they are positively swimming in it. How can you avoid getting any of it on your shoes, Mr. Penn?

[By the way, I don't ever recall hearing one shred of moral outrage from Mr. Penn or his ilk (media included) when CNN and others played video from some of Saddam's palaces].

Ultimately, when a leader or a regime accumulates such a butcher's bill of blood for his people, it is their responsibility to make payment by ending their sanction of their reign. Should those people be unable, incapable, or unwilling to do so, then others must step in or the bill comes due for us all.

So thank you, Mr. Penn, for finally bringing this to our attention and making clear just how immoral are those alternatives to war. [/debate]

36 posted on 12/15/2002 11:00:58 AM PST by NonValueAdded
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To: Libloather
"I have to start with bridging my own gap," he replied.
Start with the one between your ears.

37 posted on 12/15/2002 11:03:32 AM PST by Fintan
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To: NonValueAdded
Brilliant post. Wish I'd said that.


39 posted on 12/15/2002 11:05:12 AM PST by Fintan
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To: Libloather
Sean Penn Says War in Iraq Is Avoidable

Yeah, but then Joe Isuzu says it's not, so I don't know what to believe. I wish John Belushi were still alive; at least he remembered when the Germans attacked Pearl Harbor.

40 posted on 12/15/2002 11:05:22 AM PST by Nick Danger
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To: Libloather
Sean Penn Says War in Iraq Is Avoidable

Maybe, if he runs the right direction when it starts.

41 posted on 12/15/2002 11:08:05 AM PST by ALASKA
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To: Libloather
Sean Penn: Statesman-at-large.
42 posted on 12/15/2002 11:09:22 AM PST by Yeti
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To: Sparta
So Secretary of State Penn is going to give his report to President Sheen about the situation in Iraq. This ought to be interesting what an actor says about serious policy after three joints and hit on the ole' crack pipe.

It was the coke that made Sean deal with the Rooskies when he was in the movie The Falcon and the Snowman; since he and Martin Sheen fantasize they are real life versions of the people they pretend to be, he was probably working a real deal and wasn't searched coming back because he had a make-believe diplomatic passport. I hope the classified US Govt documents he gave Saddam came out of cancelled movie's props and not from some out of work ex-Clinton staffer.

43 posted on 12/15/2002 11:10:34 AM PST by putupon
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To: Libloather
NOT TO WORRY!

Sean Penn will advise our government.
Why did I not think to call him.
We will all feel so SAFE now.

44 posted on 12/15/2002 11:17:41 AM PST by fabriclady
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To: ALASKA
You all should realize that Back When, the opinion of a Rich Man was respected, because he had actually done something extraordinary to earn that wealth.

Movies, and movie actors, are an anomaly. The Old Studio Owners made SO much money, with the first mass communication technology, that to pay the muggers and faces that would play "pretend" for the camera the $5/week they were actually worth was sort of mean. Even 1% of what a movie actually returned was 10 times what a stage actor could earn in a lifetime. Suddenly you have all these instant millionaires, who actually have a room temperature I.Q.

Ask yourself, the next time one of these "Rich Liberal Celebrity Spokesmen" climbs a tree or drives an electric car, or goes to Baghdad, what has he actually done to earn any respect, or to prove he is anything more than an 'actor', with all the Victorian contempt for the trade that word has?

45 posted on 12/15/2002 11:28:22 AM PST by jonascord
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To: Libloather
The media believes Sean Penn's views on Iraq are newsworthy? Who are we going to here from next, Britney Spears? Madonna?
46 posted on 12/15/2002 11:36:02 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Libloather
The liberal clown sure likes to play at war, doesn't he?



49 posted on 12/15/2002 12:21:32 PM PST by rockfish59
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To: Rye
Who are we going to here from next, Britney Spears? Madonna?

Lamb Chop, Garfield Goose, and Barney.

50 posted on 12/15/2002 12:26:28 PM PST by dighton
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