[Sam Cree]

I agree with you that it's difficult to understand arab hatred of Israel. Although the arab nations deliberately have promoted hatred, so perhaps it's not surprising that it has grown. And they have had plenty of casualties inflicted on themselves as reward for their warmaking against Israel, for sure these casualties have furthur inflamed their hatred. But I admit that I do not fully understand it either.

I think the crusades are a little different from jihads, in that the crusades were a direct and arguably defensive response to the unprovoked jihads which overran previously Christian nations and territory, Byzantium and the Holy Land, included.

[11B3]

I think it is time for the Moslem world to face the facts - just as my ancestors did in the late 1800s. The white man will not lose the war. Either assimilate as best you can with his (our) way of life and try to keep some of your own identity, or die. Simple choice. And they are powerless to stop it.

Just as some tribes went all out against the Cavalry and lost everything, others learned the lesson and thrived. The Japanese and the Germans learned this lesson as well - although it appears that the Japanese remember the lesson better. Now it is Islam's turn. Then China.