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PLAN TO SET ASIDE LAND IN ARIZONA FOR OWLS SLAMMED
The Washington Times ^ | Dec. 15, 2002 | Audrey Hudson

Posted on 12/16/2002 5:17:59 AM PST by madfly

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:59:40 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The federal government wants to set aside 1.2 million acres of public and private Arizona land as critical habitat for 18 endangered pygmy owls, a move critics say threatens development of the land for private business and public recreation.

Designating the Tucson land as a critical habitat for the tiny creatures, which span 6 inches and weigh 2 pounds, is necessary because they live in an area facing rapid growth and development, said Maeveen Behan, project director for Pima County.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: enviralists; esa; landgrab; nahb; owlharassment; pygmyowls; tucson; usfw
The governor-elect has picked Lori Faeth as her environmental policy advisor. Faeth currently serves as the Arizona lobbyist for the Nature Conservancy — one of the top environmental and conservation advocacy groups.

Steve Owens will be the new director of the Arizona Department of Environmental Quality. Owens is an environmental lawyer who served as an aide to Al Gore when he represented Tennessee in the U.S. Senate.

Democratic State Sen. Herb Guenther will lead the state Department of Water Resources. Guenther was re-elected in November, which creates a legislative vacancy that must be filled by a Democrat.


1 posted on 12/16/2002 5:17:59 AM PST by madfly
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To: Free the USA; Carry_Okie; backhoe; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Libertarianize the GOP; ...
Owl Harassment ping!
2 posted on 12/16/2002 5:20:24 AM PST by madfly
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To: madfly
A Fish and Wildlife spokesman said locations of the owls are being kept secret to protect the species and private property owners. "We are concerned that it is such a rare species, birders tend to flock to the location to try and get pictures and often times there are cases of harassment of the owls," said Fish and Wildlife spokesman Scott Richardson. Federal officials are also concerned bird-watchers would trespass on private property, and owners would be less likely to cooperate with researchers.

Fish And Game Wardens (aka F.A.G. Wardens) target BIRD WATCHERS....BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Its those evil binoculars that kill birds...and those cameras.....

3 posted on 12/16/2002 5:22:43 AM PST by joesnuffy
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To: widowithfoursons; Sungirl; Arpege92; Myrean; SouthernFreebird; Fighter@heart; ao98; unojook; ...
fyi
4 posted on 12/16/2002 5:22:51 AM PST by madfly
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To: madfly; editor-surveyor
And the rolling stone keeps on rolling over.
5 posted on 12/16/2002 5:36:35 AM PST by philman_36
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To: madfly
owl gore....


Head to Head with ALGORE

6 posted on 12/16/2002 6:09:16 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: madfly
tx for the ping! Makes my butt tired indeed! Just more hogwash! Did you hear where they are going to band wood burning stoves in CA?!!!!!!!! Incredible!!!!!!!!!
7 posted on 12/16/2002 6:09:31 AM PST by countrydummy
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To: philman_36
You can see how blatant they are now. 1.2 M acres for 18 birds. They aren't even attempting to disguise thier agenda.
8 posted on 12/16/2002 6:09:47 AM PST by banjo joe
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To: madfly
1.4 Million. Million. 1,400,000 acres.

Awful lot of stuff fits on that kind of space. Lots of people are moving to Arizona. Is this a Republican land developer subsidy? I mean, I know that there are lots of restrictions on what USF&W must do thanks to micromanagement by Congressional legislators, but sheesh, doesn't being in charge of the Executive Branch mean ANYTHING? This is lunacy.
9 posted on 12/16/2002 6:10:09 AM PST by LibertarianInExile
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To: madfly
If this follows the pattern, what this is really about is putting the squeeze on home builders to make sure that only those who pay the political freight to the Slave Party will be allowed to stay in business.

The NAHB needs to not only fight this legally, but politically. If they are only putting up token resistance and don't fight to win, then you'll know that this is really about the big fish having sold out, using government to kill their competition while wrapping themselves in the cloak of environmental righteousness. The NAHB needs to decide whether the construction business is about free markets or musical chairs. Conservatives need to watch this one closely.

10 posted on 12/16/2002 6:16:18 AM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: Carry_Okie
Anyone out there have a good recipe for Pygmy owls? I'll
bet they're tasty...
11 posted on 12/16/2002 6:24:13 AM PST by Russ
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To: Russ
Title: Smothered Pygmy Owl
Yield: 12 Servings

12 Pygmy Owls
12 tb Buttter
3 tb Flour
2 1/2 c Chicken broth
1/2 c Sherry
Salt; to taste
Pepper; to taste
Cooked rice

Brown owls in butter; transfer to slow cooker.
Stir flour into skillet, mixing well. Add chicken
broth, sherry, salt and pepper slowly. when well
blended, pour over owls. Cover and cook on high
about 5 hours. Serve with rice.

May also be baked at 350°, covered, about an hour.

Makes 12 servings.



12 posted on 12/16/2002 6:38:10 AM PST by HiJinx
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To: madfly
Exit 69 on I-19 south of Tucson is an extremely dangerous intersection where traffic from I-19, a busy crossroad (Duval Mine Road) and two frontage roads try to blend heavy traffic without benefit of either traffic signals or modern ramping designed to handle the growth. For several years a plan solving the problem has been on hold as enviros study whether or not new construction would affect the mating habits of these bleeping owls. Someone's going to get killed there while the delays go on. It's an accident waiting to happen.
13 posted on 12/16/2002 6:45:54 AM PST by Reo
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To: madfly
Exit 69 on I-19 south of Tucson is an extremely dangerous intersection where traffic from I-19, a busy crossroad (Duval Mine Road) and two frontage roads try to blend heavy traffic without benefit of either traffic signals or modern ramping designed to handle the growth. For several years a plan solving the problem has been on hold as enviros study whether or not new construction would affect the mating habits of these bleeping owls. Someone's going to get killed there while the delays go on. It's an accident waiting to happen.
14 posted on 12/16/2002 6:52:53 AM PST by Reo
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To: Reo
Sorry about the double post. I get inaccurate when I get angry.
15 posted on 12/16/2002 6:54:24 AM PST by Reo
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To: madfly
Pima County is 6 million acres in size. The 1.2 million acres would give each owl an average of more than 66,000 acres, according to the 2002 count.

Our problem here is not OWLS it is ILLEGALS! BTW 70 miles south of here they eat the damn things.(The owls that is)

16 posted on 12/16/2002 7:19:02 AM PST by Don Corleone
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To: Reo
I don't blame you for being angry. Sounds like "Smart Growth" at it's best. Several years wait for traffic safety. Full speed ahead for pygmy owls.

The article says it comes out to 66,000 acres per owl? Build 'em a big cage and through the junk scientists in with 'em!

17 posted on 12/16/2002 7:40:56 AM PST by madfly
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To: Don Corleone; madfly; Reo
IIRC, the good citizens of Tucson tried to build a high school in an area that was reputed to have pygmy owls...what district was that...Amphi? They were told they couldn't, they took it to court, and the school district won. Nobody could prove the owls were there, it was just that the habitat could support them, so they had to be there. How much you want to bet the same thing is going on now?
18 posted on 12/16/2002 7:49:10 AM PST by HiJinx
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To: Free the USA; Tancredo Fan; Marine Inspector; Ajnin; agitator; Tancred; Spiff; Helix; bok; ...
fyi
19 posted on 12/16/2002 7:50:40 AM PST by madfly
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To: madfly
The folks who live in this area keep returning Ed Pastor, a virtual Communist, to the US House of Representatives, and recently elected another guy name Grijalva who is a Pastor clone. Are the illegals and the U of A professors running things down there?
20 posted on 12/16/2002 7:58:27 AM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion
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To: madfly
Wasn’t it the Buenos Aires National Wildlife Refuge that was supposed to be the “new Bob White Quail habitat? And didn’t those birds, onceocated to the BANWR simply spread their wings and fly back to Mexico? Then there was the hue and cry over the Red Squirrel and Mt. Graham; the fear was that the 7-12 ounce rodent’s habitat would be ruined forever with the new telescopes at the top of the mountain. Well the Red Squirrel population has doubled since then. And the Spotted Owl lives and thrives through out all of Pima County.

The proposed habitat in Tucson would be nearly as large as the spotted owl's habitat in California, where 1.4 million acres were put off-limits after the bird was declared endangered in 1989. The move devastated the local economy.

I suppose all cats will be next on the list of critters that that pose a problem to the endangered (so they say) pygmy owls. In truth, it is people who are endangered.

21 posted on 12/16/2002 8:01:47 AM PST by yoe
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To: madfly
Soon ALL the US will be owl country..
22 posted on 12/16/2002 8:03:47 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: madfly
The governor-elect has picked Lori Faeth as her environmental policy advisor. Faeth currently serves as the Arizona lobbyist for the Nature Conservancy — one of the top environmental and conservation advocacy anarchist groups.

If birders (I are one) in this Arz area want to see a P owl they can just step across the border into NM and bird away.

23 posted on 12/16/2002 8:17:58 AM PST by tubebender
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To: madfly
Well, in about a month, our republican president, republican house, and republican senate are going to make all this crap go away, right?

I'm not holding my breath.

24 posted on 12/16/2002 8:33:02 AM PST by Critter
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To: madfly
federal government wants to set aside 1.2 million acres...

Not normally being a conspiracy theorist, however when it comes to the Federal Government, I waver...is it just possible that the 1.2 million acres will provide a more un-encumbered access for illegal aliens? Since the government will not seal our borders, every swarthy, mid-eastern terrorist can simply cross over unimpeded, and they are! Not just Mexicans looking for work, but drug smugglers and now terrorists dressed as Hispanics.

25 posted on 12/16/2002 8:36:37 AM PST by yoe
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To: HiJinx
That sounds like a great recipe. Since we don't have
Pygmy owls around here I'll try it out on a Horned owl or two. Probably tastes just like chicken...
26 posted on 12/16/2002 8:37:52 AM PST by Russ
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To: madfly
Let the Owl graze your business, it is so good to be ruled by the Owls and the government.
27 posted on 12/16/2002 8:48:17 AM PST by lavaroise
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To: madfly; *Enviralists; *landgrab
http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/bump-list
28 posted on 12/16/2002 8:49:30 AM PST by Free the USA
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To: madfly
in arizona the federal government, state government and 31 indian communities own 87% of the land. Usage of the rest of the land is so highly regulated that the majority of the rest even can't be used for most purposes. A few decades ago some people bought land that had been at the time zoned for development, then the state legislature passed a law that if there is a small slope on your land, then you can't develop it. Land that should be very inexpensive is sky-high instead as a result of all this regulation. Even in the rural areas land prices are artificially very high. Then we wonder why people can't afford housing as the sheeples cheer for yet more regulation of land use.
29 posted on 12/16/2002 8:53:22 AM PST by Red Jones
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion
YES. The UofA is a hotbed of socialists and the likes. But haven't all Universities been infiltrated by NGO's and UN supported groups? I don't think there's anything American left on campuses today. Imported teachers, Imported students, revised text books. Tax supported think tanks to influence government policy and breed enviro-whackos.
30 posted on 12/16/2002 9:09:17 AM PST by madfly
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To: madfly
If this is what the Libertarians of Arizona wanted, they got in. In spades!
31 posted on 12/16/2002 9:10:24 AM PST by gaspar
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To: Russ
Probably tastes just like chicken...

HeHe...the original called for quail, but I 'spect pygmy owl works as well!

32 posted on 12/16/2002 9:11:40 AM PST by HiJinx
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To: madfly
What kind of country squanders it's future for an effen 0wl? An owl that's not even endangered.

"How can anyone in the public determine what land is needed to protect a species when the government won't even tell us where the owl lives?"

Bastards. Never mind junk science, that was the good old days. Now they don't even have to show us science anymore. Just come along and wave a bureaucratic finger and millions of acres is "declared" off limits to everything and everybody.

Forget "public comment". Does anyone think that these people give two craps what any stakeholders think? The public comment is strictly for show, your input is totally ignored.

"Endangered" species have become a pestilence worse than any vermin. I'd say #8 shot is about right for this bird.

33 posted on 12/16/2002 9:32:09 AM PST by AAABEST
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To: madfly
"The government has never produced any valid science for its decision-making,"

Understatement of the year...

34 posted on 12/16/2002 9:36:58 AM PST by Doomonyou
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To: madfly
1.2 million acres to protect 18 "endangered" pygmy owls??

Since those owls were put on the endangered list in 1997, I call for another COMPLETE study to PROVE the little buggers are actually "endangered". New additions to the endangered species list, combined with HUGE land grabs makes me think of spotted owls, lynx hair and stuffed grizzleys.

35 posted on 12/16/2002 9:41:18 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: madfly
"The owls are abundant in Mexico, but not so in the northern tip of their habitat in Pima County, which runs along the U.S.-Mexico border"

So the owls are "endangered" HOW, exactly? YEP...it's a rerun of the spotted owl fiasco.

36 posted on 12/16/2002 9:45:38 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: countrydummy
"Did you hear where they are going to band wood burning stoves in CA?!!!!!!!! Incredible!!!!!!!!!"

As if the smoke from wood burning stoves is more plentiful and the smoke from MASSIVE FOREST FIRES due to mismanagement??

37 posted on 12/16/2002 9:53:25 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: madfly
bump
38 posted on 12/16/2002 10:41:08 AM PST by Fish out of Water
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To: banjo joe
Yep. Just remember many women voted for Janet and her agenda. And, the Indian population voted for her in droves. I pray she's a one-termer. I think we've had enough women running this state into the ground.
39 posted on 12/16/2002 12:16:38 PM PST by hsmomx3
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To: Boot Hill
Check it out. More Commerce Clause madness.
40 posted on 12/16/2002 1:42:05 PM PST by tacticalogic
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To: madfly
PLAN TO SET ASIDE LAND IN ARIZONA FOR OWLS SLAMMED

Slammed? Slammed by whooooo?

41 posted on 12/16/2002 3:15:26 PM PST by Barnacle
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To: madfly
Guenther was re-elected in November, which creates a legislative vacancy that must be filled by a Democrat.

Bad news for people living there.

42 posted on 12/16/2002 9:15:36 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: madfly
Two of the three are what I expected from the Governor elect. I was surprised at her selection of Herb Guenther, he is much more conservative than most Democrats, and many Republicans, he is a good choice for Head of the Department of Water Resources, he is very knowledgeable in state water law. He has helped us on several property rights issues, and has been better than the other Democrats on Gun Rights issues.
43 posted on 12/16/2002 9:31:58 PM PST by c-b 1
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To: c-b 1
thanks for your insight.
44 posted on 12/17/2002 4:36:55 AM PST by madfly
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To: madfly
Communist bitch and bastard alert, these two clowns are more dangerous than their IQ's added together(which would be colder than room temp)!
45 posted on 12/18/2002 10:15:40 PM PST by Issaquahking
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To: tacticalogic
TL,

I haven't been ignoring you. We got hit by a major storm over last weekend and just got power restored late Wednesday afternoon. But it will probably be knocked out tomorrow by the storm I can see coming in. Computer withdrawal is not a pretty thing to watch.

tacticalogic suggests:   "Check it out. More Commerce Clause madness."

Good grief man, can't you see the logic in that? How much clearer a connection could there be between interstate commerce and protecting the endangered Pygmy Owl? Is there any among us, so heartless and devoid of compassion that they wouldn't begrudge a measly little plot, 10 miles on a side, for each and every one of these owls? </sarcasm>

I wonder how many that decry the Endangered Species Act realize that Congress claims (and the court's agree) that its authority to enact such legislation is found in the Commerce Clause? And they do this without blushing. The problem is, that even if you were able to overturn that, you would still have to face the "inherent sovereignty" doctrine, which could accomplish the same thing. The phrase "inherent" should give you some clue as to just where the justices find it in the Constitution. (i.e., it ain't in there, so it's inherent!)

Regards,

Boot Hill

46 posted on 12/19/2002 2:16:18 AM PST by Boot Hill
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To: Boot Hill
I wonder how many that decry the Endangered Species Act realize that Congress claims (and the court's agree) that its authority to enact such legislation is found in the Commerce Clause?

Probably about the same number that realize the same thing about the EPA.

47 posted on 12/19/2002 2:27:18 PM PST by tacticalogic
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