Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Cops: Give illegal immigrants driver's licenses
Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | December 17, 2002 | MARK BIXLER

Posted on 12/17/2002 1:12:44 AM PST by sarcasm

Police chiefs in Atlanta and DeKalb County and three smaller locations in Georgia have lined up behind a proposal to grant driver's licenses to illegal immigrants.

The police chiefs say that since illegal immigrants drive every day anyway, licensing them would lead them to buy auto insurance and learn the rules of the road. The law enforcement officials say one effect would be fewer crashes that involve uninsured motorists, which would help keep insurance premiums down for all drivers. The change in policy would also help police identify people who often lack ID or carry forged documents.

"However a person came into this country, why would you not want that person to have identification?" said Chief Eddie Moody of the DeKalb Police Department.

Moody and Atlanta Police Chief Richard Pennington support legislation introduced by Rep. Barbara Mobley (D-Decatur) in the state House of Representatives during the last session. The bill would remove a requirement that limits Georgia driver's licenses to U.S. citizens and legal residents.

Police chiefs in Brunswick, Warner Robins and Glynn County also have endorsed the bill.

The support by police chiefs alarms Phil Kent, president of the Southeastern Legal Foundation, a public interest law firm that supports tighter immigration controls. Kent said it makes no sense for the state to license people whose very presence violates federal law.

"Not only is it foolish public policy, but it continues to undermine the rule of law," he said. "Police chiefs doing that is incomprehensible."

Kent said the foundation collected 10,000 signatures on a petition posted on its Web site opposing the effort to license illegal immigrants, a top priority for the Georgia Hispanic Chamber of Commerce and other organizations that represent the state's booming Latino population.

The U.S. Census Bureau counted 435,000 Latinos in Georgia in 2000, but some demographers say the actual population is closer to 700,000. Firm estimates are elusive, but some Hispanic advocates say roughly half of Georgia Latinos are illegal immigrants.

Mobley championed the driver's license legislation last year, but it went nowhere. The effort probably will face an "uphill battle" in the legislative session that begins next month, said Sen. Bill Stephens (R-Canton), a floor leader for Gov.-elect Sonny Perdue.

Stephens said he has not read the bill or spoken about it with Perdue, but he predicted "a good deal of resistance . . . in the General Assembly."

Some legal immigrants would resent the state's granting licenses to people who "have not followed the rules of coming to this country," said Amitabh Sharma, president of the India-American Cultural Association in Smyrna. His concern: If someone did not obey immigration law, there "is a great likelihood" that same person would also disregard traffic laws.

Yet the reality is that "large companies and businesses are recruiting Hispanics into this country," said Brunswick Police Chief T.C. Cowan, and "many of them purchase a car and drive even though they have no driver's license or insurance."

The state Legislature should act because "it's no secret that the federal government . . . is not going to send all illegal immigrants back," said Chief Dan Hart of the Warner Robins Police Department. The federal Immigration and Naturalization Service has about 2,000 officers to enforce immigration law in a country with an estimated 9 million illegal immigrants.

The Atlanta and DeKalb police chiefs signed onto the bill after meeting with Jerry Gonzalez, a lobbyist for the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, a national civil rights organization with an office in Atlanta.

Some opponents of the licensing effort worry that foreign-born terrorists could use a driver's license to blend into the mainstream.

But Mobley argued that licensing illegal immigrants would improve national security by giving authorities a clearer picture of who lives here.

"This is a public safety issue," she said


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS:

1 posted on 12/17/2002 1:12:44 AM PST by sarcasm
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: sarcasm
Here's what it should say:

The police chiefs say that since illegal immigrants [are breaking the law by their very presense here, they should be deported back to their native country.]

The law enforcement officials say one effect would be fewer [illegal over populated housing abuses], which would help keep [property values from plunging] down for all [law abiders].

But, no, it's 2002AD and this is the Unted States of America, with government Of the people, By the People, and For the People, and the RINO's are in charge.

So it will never happen.



2 posted on 12/17/2002 3:14:17 AM PST by Gigantor
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: sarcasm
Lawlessness begets lawlessness. A huge internal war is coming over this.
3 posted on 12/17/2002 3:55:58 AM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: sarcasm
But Mobley argued that licensing illegal immigrants would improve national security by giving authorities a clearer picture of who lives here.

Yeah, like the 9-11 maniacs who all had licenses. Real effective, eh? What really burns me is that U.S. citizens are required to give social security numbers to get a license. Illegal aliens are not. So we don't even have equal rights to the lawbreakers.

4 posted on 12/17/2002 4:11:33 AM PST by Vigilanteman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: sarcasm
Most illegal aliens are working under assumed names and would apply for drivers' licenses with same. Many in the U.S. have a complete lack of understanding of the illegal alien society and economic operating parameters.
5 posted on 12/17/2002 4:14:16 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
[Premise: There will be no mass deportations.]

The sad fact is that anyone who permanently resides here (legally, illegally, or otherwise) must be assimilated into the mainstream because the alternative is much much worse: A vast growing subculture of fugitives (by definition) hiding from the law, feeding a life draining underground economy, stealing to live and then turning to other, more worse crimes like selling drugs to our kids and breaking/entering into our homes, using our medical and other facilities paid for by our taxes, never paying taxes, not getting educated, not contributing to society in a positive way, hating the society around them (you, me, our families).....

That's the way it is (we allowed this to happen) and we can point finger all day long, but the political, social, cultural, and other realities have to be faced.

6 posted on 12/17/2002 4:22:39 AM PST by Consort
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Jimer
I've got a better idea. How about we just deport them?
7 posted on 12/17/2002 4:24:27 AM PST by mewzilla
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: sarcasm
I wonder what "proof of identity" an illegal alien be required to produce in order to obtain a driver's license?
8 posted on 12/17/2002 4:28:25 AM PST by error99
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: sarcasm
"The police chiefs say that since illegal immigrants drive every day anyway, licensing them would lead them to buy auto insurance and learn the rules of the road."

I think criminals should be given firearms instructions by the police on the correct use of guns. Since they are going to use guns anyway, they should at least learn how to do so safely and accurately.

I think rapists should be provided with free condoms. Since they are going to commit rape, they should at least avoid transmission of STDs.

What kind of nation of idiots are we turning into?? Did these cops check their brains in somewhere after becoming chiefs???

The daily news is becoming funnier and funnier, if it wasn't so scary.
9 posted on 12/17/2002 4:32:54 AM PST by ZULU
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: sarcasm
The police chiefs say that since illegal immigrants drive every day anyway, licensing them would lead them to buy auto insurance and learn the rules of the road.

ROTFL. Yeah, I'm sure the very first thing they'll do is buy liability insurance!
10 posted on 12/17/2002 4:34:42 AM PST by kilohertz
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: mewzilla
I've got a better idea. How about we just deport them?

Wishful thinking is a bummer. They will not be deported and if not assimilated, will become a nation within a nation and reach a point of no return. Time is not on our side.

11 posted on 12/17/2002 4:39:26 AM PST by Consort
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Jimer
Wishful thinking? I think not. Arguing otherwise is, however, defeatist. And an insult to folks who come here legally.
12 posted on 12/17/2002 4:41:30 AM PST by mewzilla
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: kilohertz
I agree with you....you should see the hoopty's these illegals drive around in. There's usually 5 or 6 packed into a pickup...broken glass, lights don't work, wheels wobbling like the wagon in a Little Rascals flick.

Yup, the first thing they'd do would be to go out and spend $800.00 for liability insurance on a vehicle not worth $200.00
13 posted on 12/17/2002 4:43:17 AM PST by taxed2death
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

Comment #14 Removed by Moderator

To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
re:Most illegal aliens are working under assumed names and would apply for drivers' licenses with same. Many in the U.S. have a complete lack of understanding of the illegal alien society and economic operating parameters.)))

Coming soon-very high insurance premiums because you also have to cover the illegals, licensed or not. The lawyers cannot go hungry. Licensing does not mean that the laws regarding minimum insurance will be obeyed. Illegals only obey the laws that are ENFORCED.

15 posted on 12/17/2002 4:47:21 AM PST by Mamzelle
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: taxed2death
Yup, the first thing they'd do would be to go out and spend $800.00 for liability insurance on a vehicle not worth $200.00

Then we should buy them cars, too! They have a "right" to "safe transportation"

16 posted on 12/17/2002 4:47:34 AM PST by Captainpaintball
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: All
Car insurance can be paid by the state for the poor (depending where you live). So illegals that have insurance is another thing that will have to come out of the taxpayer's paychecks.
17 posted on 12/17/2002 4:48:36 AM PST by Morrigan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Ookie Wonderslug
How are you going to compete, given your business? I was so relieved when I hired a tiny little crew to work on my driveway and American citizens showed up, so I didn't have to suffer the guilty suspicion that I was aiding and abetting illegal immigration. But when you hire a contractor, how can you control their crew? Many Mexicans are legal, and I do not begrudge them at all the work.
18 posted on 12/17/2002 4:50:14 AM PST by Mamzelle
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: sarcasm; sweetliberty; Budge; TheLion
FYI ping: This might be useful info re potential voter fraud.
19 posted on 12/17/2002 4:51:24 AM PST by nicmarlo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Tancredo Fan
FYI ping
20 posted on 12/17/2002 4:52:20 AM PST by nicmarlo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: All
We moved back to the States from Japan for 6 months in 1995 . I had a NY license then . We moved to NH and I got a NH license . I brought that back to Japan with me at the end of 1995 . When I went to renew it a couple of years later , the State of NH would NOT renew the license because I no longer had a residence in the State !!! So now , I would have to not only take the written and driving tests in NY , where my family live , but also a 3 week defensive driver's course !!!! And I am an American citizen !
21 posted on 12/17/2002 4:52:57 AM PST by sushiman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: sarcasm
Don't get me started on this. The Lutherans brought in a bunch of Vietnamese and insisted they have a house on the bus line so they could get to work. Shortly after, they got them all drivers licenses and cars to drive around. They could not drive and did not understand the concept of not driving while drunk. It was a disaster.
22 posted on 12/17/2002 4:55:05 AM PST by AppyPappy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: sarcasm; FreedomPoster
A couple of things since I live in the area of concern. These illegals get fake SS and drivers licenses all the time. First order of business when they get here. I know because I know some of the legal ones and hear the tales. My friend from Costa Rica is adamant about his hiring practices as a general contractor and had told many of his former countrymen (he is a proud American now) ADIOS. But, when an illegal gets here and sends all his money home the last thing he thinks of is maint., ins etc on a 1992 van. Hell the last thing he drove was a bicycle. I come across these guys all the time here, and they are the worst drivers. A coworker of mine was hit by one and the guy could not speak english (or presumably read road signs) and the cop couldn't tell if the thing he produced was insurance or not. We still don't know yet if it was legit. </rant> whew thanks
23 posted on 12/17/2002 4:59:36 AM PST by doodad
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nicmarlo
The police chiefs say that since illegal immigrants drive every day anyway, licensing them would lead them to buy auto insurance and learn the rules of the road.

Typical democRAT think. Give lawbreakers what law abiding citizens work for and the lawbreakers might see the error or their ways.

BULLSHIRT!

24 posted on 12/17/2002 5:04:04 AM PST by Budge
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: mewzilla
Wishful thinking? I think not. Arguing otherwise is, however, defeatist. And an insult to folks who come here legally.

• When do you estimate that your deportations will begin?
• Which party will initiate your deportations and commit political suicide?
• Who is going to round up all those illegals and put them in holding pens?
• What courts are going to hear all those appeals by individuals, the ACLU, Liberal Advocacy Groups, etc?
• Who is going to pay the court settlements when mistakes are made and legal immigrants are arrested, detained, smeared, etc?
• How many years do you estimate it will take to finally settle all those legal matters, and at what cost?
• What networks will film the trains, busses, etc carrying men, women and children across the country to the border and will cattle cars be used?
• Do you really think this can happen peacefully? with no civil unrest? no campus riots? no ghetto warfare?
• When the shooting starts, will the INS use real bullets or rubber bullets?

It looks like your wishful thinking is not only a bummer, but is very dangerous as well, and it will be branded as un-American.

25 posted on 12/17/2002 5:15:42 AM PST by Consort
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Ookie Wonderslug
If landlords would refuse to rent to mexicans on the basis that they are here illegally and therefore are criminals and are not good risks, then it would be solved even faster.

While I admire your stance and wish every business would follow your example, can you imagine the ruckus the democRATS would raise?

"Oh my, all those poor, homeless people who have no drivers license! We must provide more free housing, food, insurance, jobs for them, and by all means we should provide them with all the absentee voting ballots they want!"

It makes me sick.

26 posted on 12/17/2002 5:18:28 AM PST by Budge
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: ZULU
Did these cops check their brains in somewhere after becoming chiefs???

In many instances, police chief = politician, or at least future politician.

27 posted on 12/17/2002 5:54:37 AM PST by buccaneer81
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Jimer
It looks like your wishful thinking is not only a bummer, but is very dangerous as well, and it will be branded as un-American...........
.
Let me understand what you are saying, man. Like it's un-American to try to rectify a problem because it may be difficult, man. Wipe the snot off of your chin and quit cowering in the corner. Bummer indeed.


28 posted on 12/17/2002 8:03:50 AM PST by JMP
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: kilohertz
You beat me to it!
29 posted on 12/17/2002 8:51:51 AM PST by hot august night
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: JMP
Let me understand what you are saying, man.
You sound like cheech...or is it Chong?...minus the charisma.
Like it's un-American to try to rectify a problem because it may be difficult, man.
It can't be undone, but that's way over your head. Unless the law was changed, children born here are US citizens, even if their parents are illegal. Are you going to tear families apart? If enough people think it's un-American, then it is un-American.
Wipe the snot off of your chin and quit cowering in the corner. Bummer indeed.
When and if you ever grow up, you will realize that you just can't wish away a process that has been ongoing for generations throughout the country. It's a bummer that you will have to live with and accept because you have no other choice. It's time for your nap.
30 posted on 12/17/2002 9:03:27 AM PST by Consort
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: Jimer
(Jimer)It can't be undone, but that's way over your head. Unless the law was changed, children born here are US citizens, even if their parents are illegal. Are you going to tear families apart? If enough people think it's un-American, then it is un-American.......
.
Until the law is changed the illigals can make the decision to take their children with them or have them become wards of the state (they are anyway). Concerning your definition of un-American, polls have consistently shown that an overwhelming majority of Americans want this flow of illegals stopped and reversed. By your own definition packing up pedro and his minions is very American.
.
Wipe the snot off of your chin and quit cowering in the corner..... (still stands).
.
(Jimer) When and if you ever grow up, you will realize that you just can't wish away a process that has been ongoing for generations throughout the country. It's a bummer that you will have to live with and accept because you have no other choice. It's time for your nap.
.
Nobody is talking about "wishing problems away". You solve the problem by enforcing laws and enacting penalties. Rape has been happenning since the dawn of man but I don't suggest that you should offer up your daughter to the rapists either. Real Bummer, huh.
31 posted on 12/17/2002 10:48:44 AM PST by JMP
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: nicmarlo; sweetliberty; Budge; sarcasm
Thanks for the ping nic.

My feeling is, that if we can take the trouble to license illegal aliens, we can take the trouble to deport their @sses. Any other questions?
32 posted on 12/17/2002 11:04:03 AM PST by TheLion
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: TheLion
I think that about says it all.
33 posted on 12/17/2002 11:06:23 AM PST by sweetliberty
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: JMP
Until the law is changed the illigals can make the decision to take their children with them or have them become wards of the state (they are anyway).
They can take the kids with them if they want to or they can stay here and, if necessary, fight it out in the courts for years. No one is going to take the kids away from them and no one is going to deport them.
Concerning your definition of un-American, polls have consistently shown that an overwhelming majority of Americans want this flow of illegals stopped and reversed.
I want all immigration stopped and all illegal immigration reversed. Neither will happen.
By your own definition packing up pedro and his minions is very American.
It doesn't matter if it's American or legal — it won't happen.
Wipe the snot off of your chin and quit cowering in the corner..... (still stands).
Of course. You're not going to gain maturity between posts.
You solve the problem by enforcing laws and enacting penalties.
Yes, but laws are not enforced all the time; they are often selectively enforced and, even then, it often depends on who you know or how much clout you have. We have a legal system, not a justice system.
Rape has been happenning since the dawn of man but I don't suggest that you should offer up your daughter to the rapists either.
Who would? Bubba got away with it.
Real Bummer, huh.
Exactly. What you want is not going to happen.
34 posted on 12/17/2002 12:29:33 PM PST by Consort
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: Jimer
..........What you want is not going to happen...........
.
Darn, maybe I should just role over, offer my new neighbors my spare bedrooms and learn to eat tocos and beans.
.
Bummer
35 posted on 12/17/2002 12:49:00 PM PST by JMP
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: JMP
Darn, maybe I should just role over, offer my new neighbors my spare bedrooms and learn to eat tocos and beans.

You won't have to. White flight will give them whole neighborhoods, towns, and cities. It's happening now. As they gain political power, our Constitution will make it all legal.

36 posted on 12/17/2002 12:59:17 PM PST by Consort
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: RobFromGa; AntiJen; Guillermo; viligantcitizen; Phoenix44; "Be not afraid!"; dansangel; .45MAN; ...
My, but our DeKalb public officials have been on a tear this week. We've got this idiocy, and we've got a county commissioner proposing a smoking ban in all businesses, including restaurants.
37 posted on 12/19/2002 3:15:17 AM PST by FreedomPoster
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: FreedomPoster
Kent said it makes no sense for the state to license people whose very presence violates federal law.

Very few of the elected officials in and around Atlanta make any sense. This is par for the course.

we've got a county commissioner proposing a smoking ban in all businesses, including restaurants.

Refer to my first comment. I think conservatives in GA were fooled by the shift of power after the November elections. We thought things would "get better." Well, the muck is so deep here, it's going to take YEARS to clean up the damage.

38 posted on 12/19/2002 6:54:18 AM PST by dansangel
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: sarcasm
"...licensing them would lead them to buy auto insurance and learn the rules of the road..."

Yep - Sure - Works like that all of the time, here in Tennessee.......NOT !! !!

39 posted on 12/19/2002 7:00:03 AM PST by Coto
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: error99
Here is the latest idea for 'Proof':

"...According to this report, the Mexican government says 61 U.S. banks and 798 U.S. police department accept the "matricula consular," a laminated card with a Mexican citizen's photo, name, address in the United States and date and place of birth in Mexico...."


I found that here (but there are a great deal many other locations that have information on them):

http://usinfo.state.gov/regional/ea/chinaaliens/innewsaug02.htm

40 posted on 12/19/2002 7:17:39 AM PST by Coto
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: sarcasm; dansangel; FreedomPoster
"The police chiefs say that since illegal immigrants drive every day anyway, licencing them would lead them to buy auto insurance and learn the rules of the road."

Get serious! Learn the Rules of the Road!!! The so called legals (non-hyphenated anglo's) don't know the rules of the road....and some of them don't have insurance... You think the illleagles will buy insurance. If they have an accident they just disappear....what have they got to loose... We'll have the signs in spanish before they learn the rules of the road....... Ok now I have to go lie down and get my blood pressure back to normal.....

41 posted on 12/19/2002 8:10:29 AM PST by .45MAN
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: FreedomPoster; dansangel
Yes, and just wait... Pretty soon you will see these same people saying that you can't have a fire in your house besause of the smoke, "It bothers the neighbors"" cough, cough... Buy all the firewood you want but you can't light it......Ok, I'll go now.....
42 posted on 12/19/2002 8:13:33 AM PST by .45MAN
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson