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ARAB BEATS UP JEWISH GIRL AT B'KLYN SCHOOL
New York Post ^ | 12/17/02 | CARL CAMPANILE and MURRAY WEISS

Posted on 12/17/2002 8:19:45 AM PST by nypokerface

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:10:44 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

December 17, 2002 -- Religious tensions erupted yesterday after authorities confirmed that an Arab girl beat up a Jewish girl at a Brooklyn middle school.

The Arab teen was arrested and suspended for the Dec. 12 attack on the 13-year-old Jewish girl, an honors student, at IS 259 in Dycker Heights, sources said.


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To: wtc911
Whatever.
151 posted on 12/17/2002 1:45:49 PM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: droberts
Back to the same old.....

Arab girl beats up Jewish girl.

The ehtnic components are what makes this a news story.

If these arabs girls had beaten up another arab, it wouldn't.
152 posted on 12/17/2002 1:46:58 PM PST by swarthyguy
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To: Darksheare
Don't know if i go as far as you in the whole 'eastern' culutures thing. Many cultures east of araby have adapted very well to western civ but that's another topic and discussion...

But your point in how Pearl went to Pakistan to give the jihadis a prestigious soapbox is very well taken. In his mind, how could anybody pass up the chance to be featured in the WSJ.

Not eastern as much as the jihadi culture, and in the case of this NYC incident, the result of constant propagandising about the evil jews in mosques, homes and community centers.
153 posted on 12/17/2002 1:50:00 PM PST by swarthyguy
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To: Darksheare
He just sent me a link to a Amazon about Hitler's willing executioners, Nazism and the roots of Anti-semitism. What this has to do about a Jewish Girl getting harassed and beaten up by someone in Brooklyn who is of arab Descent is beyond me.

I suppose that he's trying to make a correlation between the ordinary folk in that time period becoming Nazi's, and us venting our fustration at this kind of behavior going on in our society today. I'm NOT anti-anything, at all, unless that anything, in this case the more radical elements of Islam, has something against me.

Anyway it looks like a good read. I'll probably get it. But I agree with you I think he's a slightly revisionist historian.
154 posted on 12/17/2002 1:50:01 PM PST by Mr. C
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To: Darksheare
Well maybe we have to grant that they think like him.
155 posted on 12/17/2002 1:50:10 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit
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To: droberts
"...people are good and bad on an individual basis."

True..but false beliefs and ideologies(the ROP and Communism, for instance) have no redeeming qualities, and ought not be respected by decent humans anywhere.

When the ROP starts losing millions of Arab adherents, I'll have a new-found respect for Arabs.

Until that happy day...eff 'em! ;^)
156 posted on 12/17/2002 1:50:23 PM PST by headsonpikes
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To: Mr. C
I'm still trying to understand where he's getting his Nazi angle myself.

Anything you come up with, I'd be interested to hear.
157 posted on 12/17/2002 1:54:03 PM PST by Darksheare
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To: justshutupandtakeit
8AAAH!* That's a possibility.
158 posted on 12/17/2002 1:54:25 PM PST by Darksheare
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To: Mr. C
What this has to do about a Jewish Girl getting harassed and beaten up by someone in Brooklyn who is of arab Descent is beyond me.

Join the club; I'm still trying to find out what Alfonse D'Amato or Wedtech have to do with it. ;D

159 posted on 12/17/2002 1:54:40 PM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: Darksheare; Mr. C
Hey, wait a minute, He called ME nazi first! Get in line...
160 posted on 12/17/2002 1:57:16 PM PST by swarthyguy
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To: nypokerface
Brooklyn Assemblyman Dov Hikind, who spoke with the victims' parents, said he believes the assault was bias-related - although it was not reported as a hate crime.

"They were chanting, ‘Jew! Jew! Jew!' " Hikind added in an interview.

No...not a hate crime at all. Perhaps they were just sneezing "Achoo, achoo, achoo!" Yeah that's it.

161 posted on 12/17/2002 1:57:47 PM PST by montag813
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To: swarthyguy
Will do.
But.. but.. my last name is of German descent? Doesn't that count?
162 posted on 12/17/2002 1:58:25 PM PST by Darksheare
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To: swarthyguy
......All you have done is denigrate the girl who got beaten up and condemn this story as hearsay and generally show no sympathy for the jewish girl and rush to the defense of the arabs and say this story is BS.........................................Don't let the facts get in the way. More details would be nice but there are enough facts to discuss this case......

Come on swarthyguy, Nobody is taking the side of the Arab girl, only pointing out that there is precious little information here and with that little information the masses on this running dialogue have built a story that is not there. Lets review..
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1) We know the jewish young lady was an honor student. What do we know about the Arab girls academics?
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2) We don't know if anyone else besides the two girls were there to witness the altercation. We are told that IF there were any others there that they had been delt with appropriately.
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3) We know that a councilman (elected in someones district, probably the parents district since the parents called him) talked to the parents and he was informed by those parents that the daughter had told them (the parents) that she was being harrassed and called "Jew, Jew, Jew", and therefore this councilman (Hikind) told reporters that HE believed that the incident was biased. (This is defined as hearsay evidence.) Hikind also told reporters that this was the culmination of weeks of harrassment and tormenting of the Jewish girl.
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Thats about it, without the aid of the crystal ball apparently possessed by many here. From this information many are ready to condemn the Arab populations of this world. Following your post we are even treated to accusations of racism. Thats very puzzling as Jews and Arabs are not different races and are both semitic peoples.
I've even been told that I was antisemitic for pointing out the inconsistancies of the article with the reation it has ellicited here on this forum.
163 posted on 12/17/2002 1:59:29 PM PST by JMP
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To: droberts
Lets focus on THIS story and not make excuses. You might
sound like the parent of the Arab girl in response: .."but
all races exhibit racism."

The facts as the Post has presented,point to a hatred of
Jews by this Arab girl;which continued into a act of violence.

Lets stick to the facts of the story as presented by the Post commented on by Freepers without "suggesting" FReepers here are racist.
164 posted on 12/17/2002 2:00:26 PM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: MissAmericanPie
the entire pack who were shouting 'jew jew jew' should be suspended. I'm shocked that it has not been called a hate-crime. the benefit of the doubt should be suspended in this case. That is how to handle this situation with sanity for the sake of setting standards that we americans can live with happilly. But unfortunately, as a society we don't do that. Remember 10 years ago when the mob of blacks killed an orthodox jew and got away with it from what I can remember. Remember when al sharpton egged a crowd on into killing a jew storekeeper? Sharpton is a hero, but if our society didn't tolerate these incidents, then he wouldn't be and shouldn't be.

Some muslims committed this crime out of bigotry and we should blame them for this. But we should also blame our own tolerance for these incidents that only encourages more of it.
165 posted on 12/17/2002 2:01:18 PM PST by Red Jones
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To: swarthyguy
Yes, the ethnic aspect makes it a news story, however, the only reason it ended up on FR is because it caters to existing bias, i.e. the perpetrator was an Arab.
166 posted on 12/17/2002 2:02:04 PM PST by droberts
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To: JMP
"1) We know the jewish young lady was an honor student. What do we know about the Arab girls academics?"

Oh, so now the arabs are being oppressed in school by people who are smarter than they are? I thought grades were based off of one's performance, not whether you're a supposedly oppressed ethnic culture.?

"Nobody is taking the side of the Arab girl.."

Could have fooled me.
167 posted on 12/17/2002 2:02:39 PM PST by Darksheare
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To: A_perfect_lady
The Jewish girl will get her revenge in the long run: she'll get a decent education and the Arabs will remain in the public school cesspool.

Nope. She will have three abortions and adopt a black baby in her 40's like every good Jewish liberal. Meanwhile each of the Arab girls will have 10 children and raise them to hate the Jews and America.

We all lose, unless we deport them all.

168 posted on 12/17/2002 2:03:36 PM PST by montag813
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To: Mr. C
It has nothing to do with the specific story here, but more to do with how the anti-Arab bias exhibited here parallels that of the anti-Semitism of Nazi Germany.
169 posted on 12/17/2002 2:04:25 PM PST by droberts
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To: swarthyguy
Lame reasoning..a Jewish girl is taunted JEW JEW JEW then days following is beaten up. I don't think an Arab shouting Arab Arab Arab before an attack on another Arab makes any sense at all. lol
170 posted on 12/17/2002 2:05:20 PM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: Illbay
A "catfight" is two girls fighting.

this article doesn't really make it clear anyway

The article states clearly: "authorities confirmed that an Arab girl beat up a Jewish girl"

it doesn't say anything about two girls fighting with each other over girly stuff.

Maybe it is as your prejudices dictate.

You're just p!ssed that it is not as YOUR prejudices dictate.

171 posted on 12/17/2002 2:06:00 PM PST by Alouette
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To: Joe Hadenuf
We are being invaded by millions of illegal aliens that are flooding into our country, choking off our social services, literally shutting down some trauma centers and hospitals, filling our jails, many commit brutal murders on our citizens and then flee back across the borders to safety, their driving taxes up and wages down....

We had a sensible immigration policy until that national traitor Robert Kennedy pushed through the ultra-Marxist 1965 Immigration Reform Act. RFK was a despicable piece of excrement. No wonder he is O'Reilly's idol. May he burn in hell for what he wrought.

172 posted on 12/17/2002 2:06:56 PM PST by montag813
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To: Darksheare
.........Umm.. haven't you seen what's going on in the world today?.........
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Come on Darksheare. This story is about an incident at a NY public school between two young women. I contend that the reason that it was published is because of the world situation. It looks like a hit piece to me. How many fights did you read about last year involving young women in public school. In a population of 270,000,000 plus I'll bet there were more than a few.
173 posted on 12/17/2002 2:07:01 PM PST by JMP
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To: headsonpikes
Fair enough, but what you say is precisely the problem when people do not think for themselves and follow an ideology promoted by only the few. This can be applied to Arabs who think suicide bombing is OK and to Americans who think all Arabs are bad based upon what they selectively read.
174 posted on 12/17/2002 2:07:28 PM PST by droberts
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To: justshutupandtakeit
...........Presumably you are blind so ask a friend to read the article to you particularly the part about the weeks of taunting "Jew, Jew, Jew" by a group of Moslemaniacs which led up to this incident........
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Please read my previous post. Don't you guys ever get embarrassed?
175 posted on 12/17/2002 2:09:41 PM PST by JMP
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To: JMP
The arab girl was arrested.

Cops today in this hyper atmosphere would not want to wade into this. They'd ask for witnesses etc. ANd would not make such a move based on the say so of one girl.....

I guess i buy what you dismiss as hearsay.

If the arab girl was an honors student i'm sure we'd have heard about it - anyway, to use your thinking, it's irrelevant- she wasn't arrested for being an honors student but for beating up the jewish chick.

And being treated to accusations of racism, that's what i was compared to.

I see this as a straightforward account of an incident at school; an incident made newsworthy by the alleged facts as reported in the paper - a gang of arabs taunting a jewish girl and a mob watching a fight. And the police arresting a perp.

Let's wait for the court case to see what happens; but it's not altogether out of character for a great many across the world, is it...Nigeria, Indonesia

YOur point 3 makes a lot of guesses...the report says the chanting of jew took place while the fight/beating was happening.
176 posted on 12/17/2002 2:10:20 PM PST by swarthyguy
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To: Darksheare; swarthyguy
I Couldn't tell you a thing either about this Nazi business, he's got me scratching my head, too!

Swarthyguy, guess me and Darksheare are 2nd and 3rd in line then, huh?
177 posted on 12/17/2002 2:10:46 PM PST by Mr. C
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To: swarthyguy; Darksheare
Sorry guys time to sign off. See ya later.
178 posted on 12/17/2002 2:11:57 PM PST by Mr. C
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To: JMP
Come on JMP.
You can't seriously believe that it wasn't an attack based off of the fact that the girl was a Jew.
And you can't honestly state that her 'ethnicity' had nothing to do with it.

How many children have the arabs blown up last year?
Why do you keep trying to use the fallacy of ascribing western thought to eastern people?

And you probably think like droberts, that the arabs are opressed and the only recourse they have is to blow up Jewish teenage girls.

If that isn't what you think, then you'd better re-word your posts since you sound like you're backing the actions of the arab girl.
And comprehension is fine here.
Do you know what a hate crime is? (Crime based off of one's ethnicity, sex, or creed.)
179 posted on 12/17/2002 2:12:02 PM PST by Darksheare
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To: fight_truth_decay
I repeat my earlier statement that had the races of the two involved in the incident have been reversed, the story would not have been posted. Yes, I believe certain members of FR are anti-Arab racists.
180 posted on 12/17/2002 2:12:40 PM PST by droberts
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To: Mr. C
See you when you get back.
Laters.
181 posted on 12/17/2002 2:12:42 PM PST by Darksheare
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To: JMP
"Jews and Arabs are not different races."

True, but this dispute has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with an evil set of beliefs known as the ROP.

The Arabs will abandon their delusions in the same manner the Germans abandoned theirs, under the foot of a conqueror.

That is the lesson of history...or, we could surrender to them; that's happened historically, also.

The Arabs need their *sses kicked, not kissed. It's in their best interests.

Think of it as 'tough love'. ;^)
182 posted on 12/17/2002 2:14:28 PM PST by headsonpikes
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To: Mr. C
The schwartznazis sit in the front of the bus.

Apologies to Pynchon and the schwartzkommandos.
183 posted on 12/17/2002 2:15:56 PM PST by swarthyguy
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To: fight_truth_decay
.........Facts the girl was taunted by Jew Jew Jew for a period of time and was beaten up..sounds racist to me..........
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Arabs and Jews are the same race (semites). Why don't you substitute religionist for racist (is that a good word?) That might make your statement more coherent.

184 posted on 12/17/2002 2:17:29 PM PST by JMP
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To: montag813
Perhaps they were just singing

Shoobie Jewbie jew

Shoobie dobe jew

Shoobie jewbie jew

Let's hate forever.....

Infidels in the night.....
185 posted on 12/17/2002 2:17:58 PM PST by swarthyguy
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To: JMP
The arabs don't hold themselves to be semites. One just has to look at how they propped up Nazi activity in the mid-east during WWII to see that.
186 posted on 12/17/2002 2:20:42 PM PST by Darksheare
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To: droberts
Then find a story and post it. Instead you challege the facts of this story.

Here comes da judge: If this girl was taunted and anti-semitic words were used prior..then attacked..I don't care if it was a Jew attacking an Arab girl outside of school or an Arab girl attacking a Jewish girl (then the NYTimes would have picked that up ;),
the crime bears the same punishment.

But this was not the case in this story. "60 hours of community service working in a Jewish community center." Slams down my gavel. Next?
187 posted on 12/17/2002 2:23:00 PM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: droberts
>>is because it caters to existing bias, i.e. the perpetrator was an Arab.

That's it was newsworthy and posted here. Next time you hear of a group of jewish students bopping the baptists or the arabs, post the story.

The bias exists for a reason. Some very good reasons.


188 posted on 12/17/2002 2:23:49 PM PST by swarthyguy
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To: fight_truth_decay
I have not challenged the facts of the story.

If this girl was taunted and anti-semitic words were used prior..then attacked..I don't care if it was a Jew attacking an Arab girl outside of school or an Arab girl attacking a Jewish girl (then the NYTimes would have picked that up ;), the crime bears the same punishment.

I agree with you 100% on what you say above.

I already know what happens when one posts a story showing hardship to an Moslem on FR, it invariably followed with things like...

"They deserve it"

"Would have become a suicide bomber anyway"

"Send them back"

...and other such crap.

189 posted on 12/17/2002 2:27:31 PM PST by droberts
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To: swarthyguy
See my post 189 about posting things that show Moslems as the victim.
190 posted on 12/17/2002 2:28:33 PM PST by droberts
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To: happygrl
...........The issue is ideas, not race. FR has great members, a number of the most right-thinking are of so-called Latino background, or Black, or Asian.........
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You're just one big cliche' aren't you. I bet some of your best friends are Black too. The issue here being discussed does not have anything to do with race. Perhaps you've just joined the wrong post.
191 posted on 12/17/2002 2:34:01 PM PST by JMP
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To: JMP
That's it. You belittle attacks on Jews and I'm pathetic.
192 posted on 12/17/2002 2:34:14 PM PST by rmlew
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To: droberts
Now, why do you suppose that is?
193 posted on 12/17/2002 2:35:38 PM PST by Darksheare
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To: droberts
Hey, look, i've posted many items about muslims as victims...in Kashmir in particular and even in Algeria.
You should read what other muslims say about the jihadis and the muslims of america.

Read www.paktoday.com , secularislam.org to name a couple..
Rread the writings of the saudi institute at www.defenddemocracy.org

Search on FR for "Scorpion's", "Green Wall", "Eagle will not blink" to find what certain muslims are saying about arabs and the muslims of American.

You accuse everybody of painting with a broad brush and then you do the same. It is a truism that the bulk of jihadis are arabs; the source of their poisonous ideology is our friend and ally, saudi arabia. Why should FR sound like DU?

When muslims are slaughtered by their fellow muslims in Kashmir, for instance, they get more sympathy at FR than many other places. They're ignored in the mass media.
Not to mention ignored by the muslims of America, who as an aggregate do not have a single word of sympathy for their fellow muslims.

And the arabs and their groups are the most silent.
194 posted on 12/17/2002 2:35:55 PM PST by swarthyguy
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To: fivecatsandadog
There is a diference between a simply having Jew and Arab fight each other and having an Arab attack a Jew whil a pack of Arab stand around chanting "Jew, Jew, Jew!".
195 posted on 12/17/2002 2:36:03 PM PST by rmlew
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To: droberts
This was a racially motivated incident.
What don't you understand?
196 posted on 12/17/2002 2:39:04 PM PST by rmlew
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To: fight_truth_decay; droberts; mv1
Truth, about this issue of prejudiced views, I can't help comparing this thread, with one about 3 months ago. It was an article from a Sydney paper, about "anti-Muslim" violence in Sydney, and it described some incidents where Arab schoolgirls were attacked on the streets by Australian men.

I wrote in a response, (for Sydney is my home-town), saying how the story was vastly exagerrated - a minor incident, and the men who beat the schoolgirl were just a few thugs from the margins of society - there are these types in any large city. It did not, in my view, represent any Australian reality. To my astonishment, people wrote in to correct me, saying that these men were "patriotic Australians"! Other Freeps suggested various insults which could have been profitably been aimed at the girls while they were been assaulted.

Obviously, the Sydney case is very different to this, as the assailiants were adults, and the victims were Arab, rather than Jewish, girls. But the responses were pretty off-putting.
197 posted on 12/17/2002 2:40:06 PM PST by BlackVeil
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon
Did a bunch of Texas Presbyterians pick on another religious group for a few weeks and then single 1 out to beat up, while your friends yelled that persons religion?
198 posted on 12/17/2002 2:45:30 PM PST by rmlew
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To: rmlew
Yes, it was a racially motivated incident. Read my posts carefully, I have not questioned the motivation behind this incident.
199 posted on 12/17/2002 2:47:40 PM PST by droberts
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To: droberts
1. In the rest of the media such attacks are generally ignored. Arabs/Muslims are a protected group buy the left.
2. A bunch of Arabs motivated by a form of Islam attacked us.
200 posted on 12/17/2002 2:48:24 PM PST by rmlew
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