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ARAB BEATS UP JEWISH GIRL AT B'KLYN SCHOOL
New York Post ^ | 12/17/02 | CARL CAMPANILE and MURRAY WEISS

Posted on 12/17/2002 8:19:45 AM PST by nypokerface

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:10:44 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

December 17, 2002 -- Religious tensions erupted yesterday after authorities confirmed that an Arab girl beat up a Jewish girl at a Brooklyn middle school.

The Arab teen was arrested and suspended for the Dec. 12 attack on the 13-year-old Jewish girl, an honors student, at IS 259 in Dycker Heights, sources said.


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Comment #51 Removed by Moderator

To: Thud
ping
52 posted on 12/17/2002 10:14:55 AM PST by Dark Wing
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To: blackdog
"Fighting is part of growing up. After a few of them, you learn how stupid they are, how to avoid them, and how to defend yourself when you have to."

Tell me, how do you avoid a gang of vicious animals intent on beating you down, especially whan there is no authority figure willing to lift a finger to help?


53 posted on 12/17/2002 10:24:19 AM PST by Gigantor
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To: Illbay
"It's Bella Abzug, and she was a Congresswoman. And she's been dead for at least ten years now"

Hard to tell. When she was supposed to be alive, she was brain dead.

54 posted on 12/17/2002 10:26:42 AM PST by Wurlitzer
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To: Napoleon Solo
Not true. When a white gentile assaults a Jew for being Jewish it is a hate crime. When an Arab assaults a Jew for being Jewish it isn't.

When a white man assaults an Hispanic, it's a hate crime. When a black man assaults an Hispanic it's not.

Know the rules.

55 posted on 12/17/2002 10:28:33 AM PST by wideawake
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To: FreeTally
Its funny that the average Freepers does not support "hate crimes" when Jessie and Al yell about them, but turn around and sound just like Jesse and Al when some "minority" harms a white person.

You completely miss the point. Try again.

57 posted on 12/17/2002 10:30:27 AM PST by Dan Day
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To: American For Life

Under The Chandelier of Damocles....


58 posted on 12/17/2002 10:33:37 AM PST by swarthyguy
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To: blackdog
"As for school yard skirmishes and name calling.....It's part of growing up."

I agree with your statement about growing up. But how is it fair to only apply hate crime status to whites?
59 posted on 12/17/2002 10:34:57 AM PST by dc27
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To: JMP
Oh get off, what do you think the odds are that this wasn't a clear case of a "hate crime" in that the girl was beaten because she is Jewish? Of course newspapers can be inaccurate, but just how much room do you think there is for inaccuracy here? I also don't buy into the notion of hate crimes as requiring special treatment from the law, but it does make the Moslem perp particularly vile, and it is an example of the laughingstock that "the religion of peace" has become.
60 posted on 12/17/2002 10:43:46 AM PST by eno_
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To: onetimeatbandcamp
ARAB BEATS UP JEWISH GIRL AT B'KLYN SCHOOL

Yet another media blitz over nut'in. What's the demographics for this school anyway? If ya got 50 arabs and 10 Jews, sooner or later a Jew is going to get beat up (duh). Now if the arab wrapped herself up in dynamite and sat on the Jew, that's different. That's serious.

61 posted on 12/17/2002 10:45:50 AM PST by fivecatsandadog
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To: Gigantor
We cannot live in a world where all unfairness, dangers, and evil wishers are kept in check. Being beaten up is a time tested method of those with no brains getting even with God and their parents for cultivating the next generation of ditch diggers.

Those who get beaten up for lack of mob mentality, learn by the experience and years later own the businesses which then hire the ditch diggers.

Those same people who get beaten up, eventually hold their own and authority figures who would prevent this process are just delaying it until the participants are older, out of the school system, and are ready to act the whole thing out with a gun. Children are a wonder to watch evolve. Our meddling in many cases just ruins the process.

In all cases I can think of, such situations eventually end up with both participants becoming friends. When you have been passionate enough as a child to split a lip, blacken an eye, and stood up to each other, it builds a mutual respect after the immediate emotion has wained. The school should start boxing classes. That would be more helpful than an army of school administrators and psychologists.

62 posted on 12/17/2002 10:49:32 AM PST by blackdog
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To: dc27
Fair is not a human trait. It cannot be legislated. Hate crimes legislation is a dark period in the legislative nightmare we have created. Children are smart enough to not care about hate crimes as adults define them. Anyone punching you in the nose at the momnent is technically committing a hate crime. Only an adult becomes stupid enough to make catagories for which some nose punchers are more wicked than other nose punchers.
63 posted on 12/17/2002 10:56:34 AM PST by blackdog
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To: JMP
"They were chanting, ‘Jew! Jew! Jew!' " Hikind added in an interview.

Our reading skills are just fine, thank you.
65 posted on 12/17/2002 11:06:26 AM PST by Jessamine
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To: eno_
........Of course newspapers can be inaccurate, but just how much room do you think there is for inaccuracy here?
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eno_ Tell me how many facts are presented in this article.
Listen to what I am saying. You or I will never know the real circumstances of this altercation. Perhaps it was jewish animosity toward the Arab. We could ask the next door neighbor of the uncle of the Arab girl for his opinion. I will wager that it will be different from Mr.H's opinion as expressed in the article. What would make the neighbors opinion any less valid? My point is that this is a very biased article as is the response from most posters.
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Perhaps this is what is meant by the Arab worlds allegations that the U.S. is incapable of brokering peace in the middle east. You suppose?
66 posted on 12/17/2002 11:06:45 AM PST by JMP
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To: nypokerface; Luis Gonzalez
A Luis bump.
67 posted on 12/17/2002 11:07:42 AM PST by Jael
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To: JMP
>>You or I will never know the real circumstances of this altercation

Here's one......

"The attack was the culmination of weeks of taunting and tormenting by this group, led by one particular Arab girl"

Sounds like a coordinated effort to make one girls life a living hell.


68 posted on 12/17/2002 11:13:45 AM PST by swarthyguy
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To: blackdog
"In all cases I can think of, such situations eventually end up with both participants becoming friends. When you have been passionate enough as a child to split a lip, blacken an eye, and stood up to each other, it builds a mutual respect after the immediate emotion has wained. The school should start boxing classes."

I know you are sincere, I only wish that the world was like "Leave It To Beaver" as you describe. Unfortunately, it isn't, anymore.
69 posted on 12/17/2002 11:14:05 AM PST by Gigantor
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To: blackdog
........We cannot live in a world where all unfairness, dangers, and evil wishers are kept in check. Being beaten up is a time tested method of those with no brains getting even with God and their parents for cultivating the next generation of ditch diggers.......
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I like that Blackdog.
70 posted on 12/17/2002 11:15:29 AM PST by JMP
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To: American For Life
Ireland(maybe still but its been quiet ), Colombia, SriLanka, Chiapas(maybe) Nepal (ostensibly no Pak influence) what else for nonmuslim conflicts.....Rwanda/hutu/burundi?
71 posted on 12/17/2002 11:16:41 AM PST by swarthyguy
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To: nypokerface
Well done for finding that news article, now I bet if you look hard enough, you'll probably find one where a Jew was the assailant and an Arab was the victim. Do you really think this one off piece is supposed to show a trend?
72 posted on 12/17/2002 11:17:34 AM PST by droberts
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To: droberts
......Well done for finding that news article, now I bet if you look hard enough, you'll probably find one where a Jew was the assailant and an Arab was the victim. Do you really think this one off piece is supposed to show a trend?......
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Thankyou droberts. What a frustrating crowd. I would have to hand out a lot of D- grades for reading comprehension. At least you see the big picture......JMP


73 posted on 12/17/2002 11:23:36 AM PST by JMP
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To: Gigantor
Last year my daughter took a baseball bat to a boy who beat her up. She got quite the punishment. She also got justice. Three months later, she got a good friend. My oldest daughter is a loner and takes Tae Kwon Do lessons. She was being pushed around for months by a real female animal at her school. One lightning fast roundhouse kick to the side of the head ended the whole thing. Maybe you explained why we live in Wisconsin and not New York.

Me and the Beav are going to go play catch now!!!! Sincerely!

74 posted on 12/17/2002 11:25:19 AM PST by blackdog
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To: Bruno
Someone forward this to Dan Stein of FAIR
and the ADL.
75 posted on 12/17/2002 11:30:54 AM PST by rmlew
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To: droberts
>>now I bet if you look hard enough

That's the catch, isn't it?

One never has to look too hard to find the ROPers, does one?
76 posted on 12/17/2002 11:32:32 AM PST by swarthyguy
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To: JMP
One would think that Buchananites would take the opportunity to get Jews to change their views on immigration and race.
I suppose hating Jews comes first.
77 posted on 12/17/2002 11:32:59 AM PST by rmlew
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To: JMP
As others have pointed out there is a clear indication this was not an isolated event or fluke: "The attack was the culmination of weeks of taunting and tormenting by this group, led by one particular Arab girl"

I have no inherent buy-in to Israel. But by what objective standard can it be said that Arabs have run their affairs with the best interests of the citizens of Arab countries in mind? Israel stands out as a country with rule-of-law and representative government amid a cesspool of dictatorships, cleptocracies, retrograde monarchies, and murderous nutbags. And in this case, what reason do I have to think that this beating was a Zionist Conspiracy to draw sympathy? It sure looks like a bunch of low-life adherents to the "Religion of Peace" thrashed this girl for her beliefs. Send the perps back home so they can use sand for toilet paper and toothpaste. That appears to be their level of civilization.

78 posted on 12/17/2002 11:33:32 AM PST by eno_
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To: scouse
Hate crimes can only be committed by white people.
79 posted on 12/17/2002 11:36:18 AM PST by MistrX
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To: swarthyguy
Try looking at Jenin or Gaza.
80 posted on 12/17/2002 11:50:06 AM PST by droberts
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To: droberts
That's a convenient copout statement, if i ever heard one, -On a story about NY you bring up Jeningrad..
81 posted on 12/17/2002 11:54:07 AM PST by swarthyguy
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To: swarthyguy
So you honestly believe that over an indefinite time period there will never be an instance of Jew beating up on an Arab. My copout statement fades into insignificance compared with your copout mentality, i.e...

Jew = Always Good
Arab = Always Bad

...one day even people like you will figure out that people are good and bad on an individual basis.
82 posted on 12/17/2002 11:59:22 AM PST by droberts
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To: rmlew
.....One would think that Buchananites would take the opportunity to get Jews to change their views on immigration and race. I suppose hating Jews comes first....
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(rmlew) Does this mean that I HAVE WON MY POINT since you are bringing out the biggest weapon in your arsenal; the ANTISEMITISM BOMB. You're pathetic.


83 posted on 12/17/2002 12:00:17 PM PST by JMP
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To: Illbay
But this was a "catfight."

A "catfight" is two b*tches slapping each other because one poached on the other's boyfriend, or showed up at the school dance wearing the same dress. Is that what you think this was? What was reported in this article that would lead you to such a conclusion?

84 posted on 12/17/2002 12:07:22 PM PST by Alouette
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To: droberts
This is a story about a schoolgirl in NYC Brooklyn getting beat up and taunted by a gang of others, Arabs in particular.

Yes, my copout mentality.

Don't lecture me about individuality when you express a reflexive "oh, but everyone does it even Jews". And point me to Gaza and Jenin to show me the evils of the Jews.

Again, you use a phrase like "indefinite time period".

Get a grip. I'm not speaking in absolutes. You are.

And please tell me more about people like me....i'm eagerly awaiting that.....

Of course, individuals are individual; you're the one not accepting that and refusing to condemnt the actions of this arab girl and her gang while badmouthing and dismissing the entire incident...
85 posted on 12/17/2002 12:08:46 PM PST by swarthyguy
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To: eno_
(eno_)......And in this case, what reason do I have to think that this beating was a Zionist Conspiracy to draw sympathy?.........
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No more reason than I do. For all you and I know the Jewish girl got in the 1st and last punch. The only fact that we have is that there was an altercation and that one of the combatants is a Jew and one is Arab. The rest is hearsay. Why is this even news. This is bad reporting at best, and the reaction here says a lot. I know I am hitting some tender nerves because the name calling (not you) has begun.
87 posted on 12/17/2002 12:12:40 PM PST by JMP
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To: Illbay
It's Bella Abzug, and she was a congresswoman.



Get that danged HAT off muh bed, Bella honey.
88 posted on 12/17/2002 12:13:57 PM PST by ricpic
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>>The Arab teen was arrested

In today's hyper sensitive environment to the privileged postions arabs and muslims have in America in anyone daring to say boo to them, the fact of her arrest is a pretty damning one.

No cops are going to want to deal with the bother and attention and media hype of an arrest like this unless they had some pretty good reasons to do so.

Being the media capital, this will probably gain a higher profile as the day progresses....Hardball, Fox, etc. Should be interesting.....
89 posted on 12/17/2002 12:19:43 PM PST by swarthyguy
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To: swarthyguy
I would condemn the Arab girl's actions, but her being an Arab is irrelevant. Lets face it, if this was a person of no particular background beating up another person of no particular background, this story would not have been posted on FR. It is solely because it was an Arab beating up a Jew that it is here.

Sure, I will tell you more about yourself. On the assumption that you perceive the main issue in the above post was that the girl is an Arab, then...

You and your ilk are the kind of person who can be mobilized against a race based upon what you selectively glean from external sources (media, etc.) based upon a pre-existing prejudice or what caters to your existing views. It is people like yourself that Hitler managed to mobilize against the Jews in the '30s. It is the same f*cking mentality that has wrought so much grief throughout the history of man.

91 posted on 12/17/2002 12:24:19 PM PST by droberts
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To: seamole
........This appears to be an attempt to rile up the communities; shame on the rilers..........
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Seamole, advance to the head of the class.
92 posted on 12/17/2002 12:24:29 PM PST by JMP
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To: seamole
Well, yes, that type of hazing and harassment goes on all the time.

But it is the ethnic/religious nature of the students that makes this a newsworthy story, isn't it?

If there was no race or religious factor, then it wouldn't be news.

I guess i don't see how reporting this is bad.
94 posted on 12/17/2002 12:26:04 PM PST by swarthyguy
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To: nypokerface
Oh my goodness! I'm a Texas born Presbyterian, but from 1961 to 1963 I beat up several Jewish boys, along with a couple of Catholics and a Methodist at PS 193 in Queens. I wonder if I'm in trouble?
95 posted on 12/17/2002 12:26:38 PM PST by HoustonCurmudgeon
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To: droberts
HEIL!
96 posted on 12/17/2002 12:26:42 PM PST by swarthyguy
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To: droberts
...one day even people like you will figure out that people are good and bad on an individual basis.


Couldn't agree more. However, it is also true that individuals are immensely influenced for better or worse by the governing ethos of the group they are raised in.
The essence of Christianity - Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
The essence of Judaism - Be a mensch.
The essence of Islam - Kill the infidel.
97 posted on 12/17/2002 12:27:19 PM PST by ricpic
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To: droberts
>>>It is solely because it was an Arab beating up a Jew that it is here.


IN NYC, that's why its news. If it was a Jew beating up and arab kid, it'd still be news.

If it was southern baptists or mormons in texas or utah beating up others of the same religion, it wouldn't be news.


98 posted on 12/17/2002 12:28:37 PM PST by swarthyguy
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To: ricpic
Agreed, see my post 91 about how a small group of people can brainwash the ignorant masses who don't think for themselves (but then that's my take on religion in general).
99 posted on 12/17/2002 12:29:45 PM PST by droberts
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To: onetimeatbandcamp
really just a bunch of teenage girls. "religion of teenage catfights"

and

the nakedly apparent agenda

OHHHHHH!......................Naked catfight?

This thread needs to go bye bye.

100 posted on 12/17/2002 12:30:06 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER
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