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Shiny Happy People: Latinos pleased with their lot in the U.S.
United Press Int'l ^ | December 17, 2002

Posted on 12/17/2002 11:22:50 AM PST by new cruelty

Latinos pleased with their lot in the U.S.

WASHINGTON, Dec. 17 (UPI) -- A new survey by the Pew Hispanic Center and the Kaiser Family Foundation has found most Hispanics have a positive view of their lives in the United States, but it also shows that some of them are concerned with the moral values their children are picking up.

Eighty percent of the Hispanics surveyed said they think Latino children growing up in the United States will get a better education than they did in their native counties, and 76 percent believe they will have better jobs and make more money.

The 56 percent who thought they will wind up with the same moral values they have was well over half, but still down from those who believe there will material success in their future.

The study also shows second generation Hispanics are joining the American mainstream.

"The melting pot is at work, as the survey shows that the children of Latino immigrants are English speakers and express views closer to the American mainstream that the immigrant generation," said Roberto Suro, director of the Pew Hispanic Center.

"Assimilation is not a simple, all-encompassing process, and even Latinos whose families have been in the United States for several generations express some attitudes distinct from whites and African-Americans," Suro said.

The report also said Hispanics don't always agree on important issues, particularly if they come from different Latin American countries.

"A Cuban in Miami, a Salvadoran immigrant in Washington and a third-generation Mexican in Los Angeles may all have roots in Spanish-speaking countries, but their diversity in views and experiences in the United States suggests that people should be wary of generalizing much about Latinos," said Mollyann Brodie, director of public opinion and media research at the Kaiser Family Foundation.

But most Latinos -- 86 percent -- agree that discrimination is a problem, and it keeps Hispanics from succeeding in general. The response showed that 78 percent thought it was a problem in the workplace and 76 percent said it also applies at school.

The survey also reported that 35 percent believe they are treated unfairly because of their language and 24 percent attribute it to their physical appearance.

But they said whites and blacks aren't the only offenders. The survey found that 83 percent found that discrimination within the Hispanic community is a problem and 47 percent said it is a major problem.

Colombians at 61 percent and Dominicans at 57 percent are the most likely to feel that way.

The survey was taken between April 4 and June 11 among 4,213 Latinos nationwide, who were selected at random. The margin of error was plus or minus 2.41 percent.

The Pew Hispanic Center, based in Washington, is a non-partisan research organization supported by the Pew Charitable Trusts of Philadelphia and a project of the University of Southern California Annenberg School for Communications.

The Kaiser Family Foundation, based in Menlo Park Calif., is a non-profit independent health-care organization. It is not associated with Kaiser Industries.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bias; elections; hispanic; immigrantlist; media; politics; polls; racism

1 posted on 12/17/2002 11:22:51 AM PST by new cruelty
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To: new cruelty
If I'm not mistaken, the author of this report, Roberto Suro, used to be an extremely pro-immigration reporter for the Washington Post. If it's the same guy, he would never report on stories that showed immigration or immigrants in a bad light, was completely biased, and would actually argue with sources with whom he disagreed. He had the story about the immigrant being deported to Guatemala who assaulted the 12-year-old unaccompanied girl on the airplane, from a few years back, but never wrote it.
2 posted on 12/17/2002 11:28:34 AM PST by 3AngelaD
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To: 3AngelaD
interesting. do you have any articles of his? just curious.
3 posted on 12/17/2002 11:32:49 AM PST by new cruelty
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To: new cruelty
"The melting pot is at work, as the survey shows that the children of Latino immigrants are English speakers and express views closer to the American mainstream that the immigrant generation,"

Living in an area where there are many Latinos, I am always surprised at the attitudes some people from other parts of the country have towards them.

In my experience they work hard, are usually very happy and fun to be around, and are very loyal friends and neigbors. They might not be perfect but then who is?

4 posted on 12/17/2002 11:33:04 AM PST by monday
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To: 3AngelaD
So would it be safe to say that this indicates that the concept of an "Occupied Atzlan" isn't the general viewpoint of most Latinos? I'm shocked! (That's sarcasm, if y'all didn't catch it)

Andiceman
5 posted on 12/17/2002 11:36:38 AM PST by Andiceman
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To: new cruelty
"Eighty percent of the Hispanics surveyed said they think Latino children growing up in the United States will get a better education than they did in their native counties, ..."

Are the "Hispanics" being surveyed talking about some other group called "Latinos", or what?

But most Latinos -- 86 percent -- agree that discrimination is a problem, and it keeps Hispanics from succeeding in general.

And now are the "Latinos" talking about some other group known as "Hispanics"? I am so confused!

6 posted on 12/17/2002 11:38:33 AM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: Andiceman
ROTFL

way back when i was in college, I knew a few who had that viewpoint. one in particular was in his 8th year as an undergraduate.
7 posted on 12/17/2002 11:38:54 AM PST by new cruelty
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To: monday
Living in an area where there are many Latinos, I am always surprised at the attitudes some people from other parts of the country have towards them. In my experience they work hard, are usually very happy and fun to be around, and are very loyal friends and neigbors. They might not be perfect but then who is?

My experience as well. I don't care for illegal immigration and want improved border control, but I have found them to be a relatively conservative and church going group....same for Vietnamese.

8 posted on 12/17/2002 11:39:15 AM PST by arkfreepdom
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To: Andiceman
That's a good point. Probably the vast majority of Latino immigrants are here BECAUSE this is America, and want nothing to do with turning the southwestern US back to Mexico. They've escaped the Third World; why would they want to make the US a Third World nation in and of itself?
9 posted on 12/17/2002 11:40:52 AM PST by My2Cents
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To: monday
And I suppose they intend to pay back all of the welfare, medical care and subsidized housing they get? I don't think so. To them this is THE gravy train.
10 posted on 12/17/2002 11:43:51 AM PST by dljordan
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To: dljordan
hmm. i don't have that kind of money on me right now, but can i put something on it?
11 posted on 12/17/2002 11:46:25 AM PST by new cruelty
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To: 3AngelaD
Immigration is a complicated matter. The upcoming movie "The Gangs of New York" may give us a new view of the matter. The Irish immigration was much more serious, at least on the short term, than the Hispanic invasion. By the time of the Civil War, the in-migration was largely over. The lasting effect had to do with the corruption of the political process on the eastern seaboard cities. It took the Irish a hundred years to assimilate, which gives pause to an sanquine hopes for assimilation in the Southwest. Tony Sanchez's blantant attempt to win by slamming his (Hispanic)opponent as "not Mexican enough" bothered me.
12 posted on 12/17/2002 11:51:45 AM PST by RobbyS
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To: DumpsterDiver
If I'm not mistaken, I believe Hispanics are from Hispaniola (spelling?), the island of Dominican Republic / Haiti.

It would appear like the adjective is used improperly 95% of the time.
13 posted on 12/17/2002 11:54:43 AM PST by taxed2death
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To: RobbyS
Immigration is a complicated matter. The upcoming movie "The Gangs of New York" may give us a new view of the matter. The Irish immigration was much more serious, at least on the short term, than the Hispanic invasion.

I dunno about that - there are no more continents to settle... yet the rush to get here continues.

15 posted on 12/17/2002 11:58:23 AM PST by skeeter
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To: monday
Yeah but..are they here legally like my grandparents? Hmmmm? If they are not legal they belong back in their country of origin and never allowed to come again since they have already broken US laws.
16 posted on 12/17/2002 12:02:25 PM PST by Paulus Invictus
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To: *immigrant_list; madfly
bump
17 posted on 12/17/2002 12:03:48 PM PST by Fish out of Water
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To: Fish out of Water
conservative hispanic bump
18 posted on 12/17/2002 12:10:52 PM PST by new cruelty
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To: new cruelty
Good Deal Bump!
19 posted on 12/17/2002 12:13:14 PM PST by Fish out of Water
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To: TonyRo76
My theory is that the Irish came with the underdog's lack of respect for the law. To them the law was not based on principle but simply on the vested interests of the (Anglo-American) ruling class. Hence, getting around it was perfectly justified. This fit in perfectly with the general moral malaise of the Guilded Age, which was ushered in by the violence of the Civil War and occupation of the South. As I said, theory.
20 posted on 12/17/2002 12:16:25 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: new cruelty
"but it also shows that some of them are concerned with the moral values their children are picking up."

Yet another reason to debunk the anti-Hispanic immigration paranoia. Socially conservative Christians come to a country sliding towards moral bankruptcy and complain about the culture, and we're afraid of them...I'm for secure borders, but mass immigration by people that still hold and practice traditional values is the least of this country's worries...

21 posted on 12/17/2002 12:19:50 PM PST by HumanaeVitae
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To: monday
My only problem with them is that the ones across the street from me fly the Mexican flag.
22 posted on 12/17/2002 12:33:47 PM PST by SoDak
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To: dljordan
"And I suppose they intend to pay back all of the welfare, medical care and subsidized housing they get? I don't think so. To them this is THE gravy train."

Can't blame them for our gov'ts foolishness. If I offered you free medical care and food, you would take it too.

23 posted on 12/17/2002 12:33:49 PM PST by monday
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To: SoDak
"My only problem with them is that the ones across the street from me fly the Mexican flag."

Wouldn't necessicarily take it personally. It is a free country, and Americans have been known to fly US flags in other countries. Doesn't mean any more than that they are proud of where they come from.

25 posted on 12/17/2002 12:40:36 PM PST by monday
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To: monday
I don't fly a Norwegian one out front. I'm prouder of where I made it too, than where I came from.
26 posted on 12/17/2002 12:55:29 PM PST by SoDak
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To: My2Cents; JohnHuang2; Luis Gonzalez; Miss Marple; Texasforever; Howlin
I agree. I really think that when all is said and done, a lot of these "Death of the West" predictions will be proven wrong, just as the predictions about past waves of immigration were proven wrong. I really think that most of those folks are here, and will do just fine.
27 posted on 12/17/2002 1:01:09 PM PST by hchutch
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To: RobbyS
Not sure where you live but I'm in the Dallas area and it's obvious that we're inundated with illegals that are here to re-colonize not assimilate. I think that represents a huge
difference between them and other waves of immigrants from
previous generations.

As their numbers have grown I've seen a marked difference in
their attitudes as well as a much cockier attitude on behalf of their boosters in the media and political community. It's always about "the Hispanic community" and never do they convey any allegiance to the American community. Within the
last couple months I've had two situations where they either
cut me off or pulled out in front of me which turned into a screaming confrontation at the next light. Needless to say when they saw a white guy jumping out of the car with a crazed look on his face they took right off!

My point is Sanchez tried to tap into the racist side of Hispanics throughout his campaign and perhaps he was just one election cycle too early....don't know. One racist statement he made during the campaign is paraphrased as follows: " Now, we finally have the opportunity to elect a government that truly reflects the people in the state of Texas". Obviously, he was talking about his Hispanic flavored government that would be in power due to the great influx of illegals into Texas.


28 posted on 12/17/2002 1:21:32 PM PST by american spirit
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To: SoDak
"I don't fly a Norwegian one out front. I'm prouder of where I made it too, than where I came from."

Yeah, but thats just Norway. hehe,,just kidding. If it makes you feel better most Mexicans don't fly Mexican flags in the US either. It's quite possible that your neighbors have issues. They are your neighbors. Don't you know?

29 posted on 12/17/2002 1:42:46 PM PST by monday
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To: american spirit
Hispanic "community" is not quite the word if one is talking about a population that is partly from Texas, partley from northern Mexico and partly from southern Mexico and Central; America. These people all have different attitudes. It occurs to me that I can often tell a guy who comes from "the south" and one who comes from "the north" simply by the way he looks and acts. Sanchez bothered me because here we have this guy who has been years building a fortune by toadying up to Anglo leaders and then tries to put Morales down because of Morales's imperfect Spanish.
30 posted on 12/17/2002 1:55:50 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: monday
I'm not certain whether they do or not. I guess I don't know them very well other than to say hi. And I guess it really matters little to me, I'm finishing up building my first home, where my next door neighbor will be 4 miles away. It's nothing that makes me overly upset or anything, just a tweak that I don't need.
31 posted on 12/17/2002 2:00:09 PM PST by SoDak
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To: new cruelty
Click the link -> Suro
32 posted on 12/17/2002 2:19:34 PM PST by B4Ranch
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To: RobbyS
One thing I would suggest is to study the whole "reconquista" movement in order to truly understand the magnitude of the problems we face over unchecked illegal immigration. Check out www.americanpatrol.com and read the stories that never quite make it to the mainstream news that show how this is a co-ordinated assault on our borders, culture and political community backed by large money interests such as the Ford Foundation. The mainstream "news?" interests continually soft-pedal the whole immigration issue leaving out critical information that would outrage Americans if they knew the truth.

Sanchez was just a foot soldier in the reconquista movement and it was particularly interesting to note that the Perry campaign used commercials that shed light on the Sanchez family bank failures, laundering of drug money and even an attempt to somehow link Sanchez' name to the death of Agent Cammarena (DEA...I think)a few years ago. Despite these serious allegations the Sanchez family issued some tepid denials and the media was largely silent as far as any follow-up stories.....it all blew over pretty quick which was very surprising.
33 posted on 12/17/2002 2:22:39 PM PST by american spirit
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To: american spirit
My chief reservation about immigration is that it discourages investment. So long as people can get labor cheap enough, they need not spend money on technology. But part of that is the resistance to investment by communities. In Lansing, MI, GM wanted to put in a ton of money but faced opposition. Can't understand that.
34 posted on 12/17/2002 3:31:40 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: new cruelty
When I read an article that has that many "percents", fractions, ratios and cpmparisons, I quickly lose interest and suspect the credibility of the piece...nuff said?
35 posted on 12/17/2002 4:10:22 PM PST by NMFXSTC
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To: NMFXSTC
When I read an article that has that many "percents", fractions, ratios and cpmparisons, I quickly lose interest and suspect the credibility of the piece...nuff said?

fantastic, say no more.:)

36 posted on 12/17/2002 6:30:50 PM PST by new cruelty
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To: SoDak
"I don't fly a Norwegian one out front."

But you could, if you so wanted. And they do, because they want to, and can do so.

Isn't freedom a wonderful thing?

37 posted on 12/17/2002 8:17:41 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: RobbyS
But Cubans are just Cubans.
38 posted on 12/17/2002 8:18:25 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Luis Gonzalez
And Puerto Ricans are just Puerto Ricans. They seem to be rare in these parts.
39 posted on 12/17/2002 8:27:59 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: Luis Gonzalez
I never called for a law against it. It's just a one, lonely gripe I have against my Hispanic neighbors. Hell, they're still the least annoying neighbors I have, by a ways.
40 posted on 12/17/2002 10:20:08 PM PST by SoDak
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To: SoDak
"Hell, they're still the least annoying neighbors I have, by a ways."

Generally speaking, all neighbors are similar.

41 posted on 12/17/2002 10:32:29 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Oh man, you ought to move into my neighborhood. Next door neighbor on one side is obsessed with making his car as loud as it possibly can be, and he likes to work on it at night. On the other side is an 80 year old guy who is the meanest, bitterest old man you will ever run into. God help you if you touch one blade of his grass. Like I said, the neighbors across the street are easily my best. I'm from the country, and am moving back out there, I don't think I was cut out for city living.
42 posted on 12/17/2002 10:43:38 PM PST by SoDak
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To: new cruelty
...the children of Latino immigrants are English speakers...

Hopefully this is not just propaganda (anything with the name "Pew" in it reminds me of that ultra-liberal polling organization that is always featured on NPR), because from my experience, the littlest ones are still speaking Spanish. Bilingual education ensures that they won't know enough English to get productive jobs.

43 posted on 12/17/2002 11:11:33 PM PST by hunter112
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To: SoDak
I had a personal relationship with Beelzebub.

He worked construction, drank Bud Light, and drove an El Camino that leaked more oil than the Exxon Valdez.

He also lived right next door to me.

This is a true story...every word of it.

It became a tradition, at our end of the block anyway, to sit outside with the rest of the neighbors on Friday night, and have some coffee or tea, while we watched the police work out the latest domestic disturbance next door.

For the longest time it was a regularly scheduled weekly event.

There was also the time when (I'll call him "Ditz"...come to think of it, we all called him that) Ditz drove to the store in a drunken stupor to get more beer, and on his way home, sideswipped a car parked on the side of the street (our street).

The vehicle was truly hard to miss, the lights on the roof and the distinctive Florida Highway Patrol colors and emblems, made it quite noticeable to the rest of us. That plus the fact that it was always parked seven houses east of us because that's where Trooper Dave lived should have sparked some sort of intelligent response from Ditz.

Did it?

Noooooo...

His reaction was to abandon his vehicle (six doors away from his garage mind you) and flee on foot...with the beer.

He knocked on everyone of our doors, asking us to hide him for the night. No one did, so he spent the night hiding about a block away, in the middle of a clump of sea grapes.

One neighbor did see him leave about 1 AM, and come back with some more beer.

I sold the house and moved as soon as it was feasible to do so.
44 posted on 12/18/2002 7:33:34 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Ha! Sounds like a true neighborhood entertainer. Neighbors. I guess they make life more interesting.
45 posted on 12/18/2002 12:49:09 PM PST by SoDak
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