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How the West Was Won and How It Will Be Lost
The American Enterprise ^ | January/February 2003 | Oriana Fallaci

Posted on 12/20/2002 7:50:22 AM PST by Valin

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To: RnMomof7
Please remove me from your ping list. Thank you.
21 posted on 12/20/2002 10:18:13 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: homeschool mama
Actually you were never on it..but it is time the sheeple read and digest some truth...we have a problem..closing your eyes will not make it go away
22 posted on 12/20/2002 10:26:01 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
I'm not a sheeple and would appreciate you not pinging me. Thank you.
23 posted on 12/20/2002 10:36:16 AM PST by homeschool mama
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24 posted on 12/20/2002 10:38:06 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: dennisw
And our military victories do not solve the offensive of Islamic terrorism.

This is where the author and I differ. Kill enough of them and they crawl back in their holes. Charles Martel proved it at Tours. They re-emerged many years later, were beaten back and then went into remission.

Mustafa Kemal Ataturk managed to actually civilize them. The same Turks which were massacring Armenian Christians 1914-1918 were embracing the west a short ten years later thanks in no small part to this guy, truly one of the greatest figures of the last century, whom all but the most incorrigible fundamentalists embrace with pride. His tactics and those of Charles Martel deserve careful study by the West.

25 posted on 12/20/2002 10:45:41 AM PST by Vigilanteman
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To: TexasRepublic
Nobody cares to fight a good fight. Nobody wants to bloody a nose anymore. Everything is so PC, so ying-yang it's pathetic.
26 posted on 12/20/2002 10:52:46 AM PST by USMMA_83
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To: Valin
I can remember years ago when Oriana Fallaci was a mild liberal - well, she had the usual ideas. She published a book called "Un uomo", or "A man", based a bit on some political prisoner in Greece under the Colonels. Actually, Panagoulis tried to assassinate Papadopoulos, and when he was let out of prison in the early 70's, Fallaci interviewed him and then moved in with him.

She's enthusiastic. You have to give her that.

27 posted on 12/20/2002 11:02:10 AM PST by anatolfz
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To: Valin
The Second Coming - W.B. Yeats

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world
,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity
.
Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

28 posted on 12/20/2002 11:28:01 AM PST by boris
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To: Valin; *Clash of Civilizatio
Indexing.
29 posted on 12/20/2002 11:46:29 AM PST by denydenydeny
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To: headsonpikes; Valin
Pretty sad commentary when the biggest pair in Europe appears to be swinging from a woman.
30 posted on 12/20/2002 12:51:37 PM PST by metesky
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To: metesky
"...the biggest pair in Europe..."

Shades of Mrs. Thatcher!

There is plenty of precedent...Boadicca, Jean D'arc, Elizabeh I, Catherine..;^)
31 posted on 12/20/2002 1:32:32 PM PST by headsonpikes
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To: headsonpikes
Unfourtunately, it'll take more than Oriana's hectoring to save Europe from itself this time around.
32 posted on 12/20/2002 2:18:17 PM PST by metesky
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To: Valin
bttt
33 posted on 12/20/2002 3:03:46 PM PST by headsonpikes
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To: MissAmericanPie
Good post!!

g

34 posted on 12/20/2002 3:05:17 PM PST by Geezerette
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To: dennisw
Did he steal something?? I have always heard that A-rabs whack off yer hand when ya steal somethin'.

g

35 posted on 12/20/2002 3:07:14 PM PST by Geezerette
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To: Geezerette
Thank you.=o)
36 posted on 12/20/2002 3:59:16 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: Vigilanteman
Do you really think that Europe's got the cajones to deport or massacre 15 million muslims or expel them in any other way nowadays?
37 posted on 12/20/2002 4:04:27 PM PST by America's Resolve
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To: America's Resolve
Europe won't unless forced into a corner. However, the Turks, Russians and some of the recent Eastern European members of NATO would definitely give it a go.
38 posted on 12/20/2002 7:05:41 PM PST by Vigilanteman
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To: Geezerette
Did he steal something?? I have always heard that A-rabs whack off yer hand when ya steal somethin'.

I call him the Captain Hook mullah. He lost his hand and one eye, damaged another hand in a bomb accident or combat in Bosnia.

http://www.al-bab.com/yemen/artic/mei46.htm


39 posted on 12/20/2002 7:28:44 PM PST by dennisw
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To: MissAmericanPie
You know like and agree with her or not. She writes good it's such a pleasure to read her. The impression I get is she could really give a flying (bleep) weather anyone agrees with her or not.
40 posted on 12/20/2002 7:48:49 PM PST by Valin
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