Immigration: Where is the OUTRAGE??

The Sierra Times ^ | Dec. 20, 2002 | Jackie Juntti

[FITZ]

Fox was elected to improve Mexico which he has not done, therefore millions of his citizens are trying to escape the horrible conditions there. There is no good reason prosperity ends just north of the Rio Grande ---or if you wish the Rio Bravo. Mexico is actually a very wealthy country but the wealth is concentrated in just a few greedy corrupt families.

[madfly]

No kidding. I spent an afternoon recently reading the plans for the America's. FTAA is not a good thing. I think they plan to have it in place by 2005.

[4Freedom]

"...the average American White sees that it is a problem."

Really? What about the majority of non-white Americans including those of Latino descent?

Have you not seen the polls that show that a majority of them believe that massive, uncontrolled legal immigration and illegal immigration are problems, as well?

[Paulus Invictus]

Legal immigration still works and should be used by anyone wanting to come to America to stay. All others, should leave if they are now here illegally, and efforts to stop the wave of illegals should be made immediately. Illegal immigration has nothing to do with isolationism!

[4Freedom]

"An overwhelming majority of Hispanics considered Latino-against-Latino discrimination to be a problem, although views varied according to people's backgrounds. For instance, Colombians and Dominicans were more likely to consider such discrimination a problem than Puerto Ricans."

That's because it's the light-skinned Puerto Ricans that are discriminating against the dark-skinned Puerto Ricans, Dominicans and Colombians. The results of the year 2000 Census show that 80% of Puerto Ricans in Puerto Rico consider themselves white and they sure don't want any dark-skinned Dominicans on the island.

Some of the most racist jokes you'll ever hear are told by Puerto Ricans about Dominicans.

Take a look at the governor of Puerto Rico and the majority of the rest of Puerto Rico's politicians. They're as light-skinned as Mexico's governor and the majority of Mexico's politicians.

Take a look at all of the Miss Puerto Ricos that there have ever been. See how many dark-skinned beauty queens you'll count.

How about the most popular recording artists, actors and actresses in Puerto Rico?

Latinos have absolutely no right to call anyone else a bigot or a knuckledragger. Latinos have more than their fair share of haters.

Here's an article right out of the San Juan Star in Puerto Rico. Read it and weep, Ficklin.

Puerto Rico: Illegal immigration from D.R. culture clash

"... (the light-skinned Puerto Ricans) even barring them (dark-skinned Dominicans) from eating in the cafeteria or drinking from the water fountains, 'because they might get them dirty'..."

The question is, is Ben Ficklin going to accuse the San Juan Star of hate-filled rhetoric or accept these words as the truth they are?

[monkeywrench]

The topic is illegal immigration, not 'isolationism'.

[4Freedom]

"Mexico is actually a very wealthy country but the wealth is concentrated in just a few greedy corrupt families."

What're you willing to wager that Mexico's wealth like Puerto Rico's wealth is concentrated in just a few greedy, corrupt, light-skinned families that are driving all of their unwanted, dark-skinned, fellow Latinos to the continental United States?

[judgeandjury]

The Free Republic is the internet's premier "hate the mexicans" web site.

The only Mexicans that I hate are Mexican illegal aliens, but then I hate ALL illegal aliens, regardless of their country of origin.

[FITZ]

Latinos have more than their fair share of haters.

All you have to do is look at Mexico ---they treat their servants very badly and the Mexican elite despises the campesinos. It's no surprise to me that over 80% are reporting discrimination from what supposedly is their own kind. Of course "own kind" is misleading in itself because those are artificial categories they've made.

[judgeandjury]

Tell me that the Fox/Coyote analogy qualifies for anything except the rhetoric of hate.

Let me be the first to inform you that Mexico is one of the most corrupt countries on this planet. Their political, social, and law enforcement systems are based on bribery and corruption. If you are intent on finding examples of "hate", you will find it, no matter how hard you have to look, and no matter how flimsy your "evidence" is. Have fun.

[judgeandjury]

The citizens of the US want these illegals here..

LOL! Thanks. That's the best laugh I've had in a long time.

[FITZ]

Tell me that the Fox/Coyote analogy qualifies for anything except the rhetoric of hate.

Someone can hate or dislike Fox and his smugglers without hating every illegal. Actually he and his cohorts should be the ones made to leave Mexico, the place would be better off without it's oligarchs.

[Ben Ficklin]

"Do some research on the FTAA"

Out on the plains it is known as the "Wheat and Meat Corridor". The maps are on pgs 6 & 7.

[4Freedom]

"...the Mexican elite despises the campesinos."

Yeah, and Ben Ficklin will join Mexico's, light-skinned, wealthy elite in their fight for the dark-skinned, poor Campesino's right to get the hell out and stay out of Mexico!

Ficklin's got a lot of nerve calling Americans "knuckledraggers".

The race-baiting hypocrite.

[Morrigan]

More race baiting? And here I thought Lott had stepped down and it was all over, lol.

No, seriously--you misunderstand people. They are concerned about the welfare and future of their birthplace--the place their children will inherit when we die. No one wants to think about their kids growing up in the kind of world that the overwhelming Third World immigration will create.

Another FReeper once said something to the effect of, Americans are generally docile when not directly threatened--but when they perceive a threat to their children, stand back. The uncontrolled illegal immigration from the Third World (not just Mexico) will ruin this country. I will not hand my children another Somalia, or another Mexico. I will not do it. If I have to stomp all over the feelings of every Mexican in Mexico to stop this insanity, I will. And I won't let people like you, people that have no balls, no will, and no vision, to stop me either.

See, people like you will never win. You have no passion to win--you have nothing worth fighting for. The rest of us do. Eventually, we will solve the immigration problem--and we don't care if you think it is hate or not.

[Ben Ficklin]

Of course you know that this all started with Reagan and Thatcher. Turn the whole world into a Market Economy. And it is happening, slowly but surely. Virtually every nation has made their headways in market reforms. And even though you know nothing about them, Mexico has made theirs.

All the nations will continue in this direction. Putin will attempt land reforms. Fox will attempt energy sector reforms. He will also try for Mexican Constitutional reforms. Should we blame him if he fails. No. After all Zedillo couldn't get it thru the PRI controlled Mexican Congress and he was a PRI member. On the other hand Zedillo did get political reforms passed that enabled PAN Fox to be elected.

Let me remind you that a market economy includes a free flow of good/services, capital, and labor. The opposition to a market economy exists everywhere and it is fierce. But wherever you go, to whichever country, the opposition is always the left and the right against the middle. In Mexico that is anti-reform wing of the PRI party aligning with the PRD socialist party against the PAN party and the moderate members of PRI. In spite of what FITZ says, the Mexican moneyed elite is the anti-reform group, and Fox is not a member of that club. The opposition alliance in the US is exactly the same. Did you see Pat Buchanan holding hands with the socialists in Seattle? Solidarity!

Will there be setbacks? Yes, Gov Davis has tried to re-establish the Crowning Heights. The socialists are winning some elections in South America. But you see, the Reagan/Thatcher movement is only 20 years old..........

[austinTparty]

Aw, c'mon Ben! People on these threads don't hate Mexicans (which, for most of them means ANYONE who speaks Spanish within their earshot--even if they're fifth-generation American). Matter of fact, most are equal opportunity haters--they'll hate anyone who is not a native-born WASP. Generally tend to be also anti-free market, anti-trade, fortress America types of the "hey, let's slap protectionist tariffs on all products coming into the country" ilk; who'd only hire native-born anglo, protestant Americans who have been here 3 generations and who don't--god forbid--eat tortillas instead of WonderBread, regardless of whether or not they have the background for the job--cuz those rich evil capitalist NWO owners OWE the AMERICAN worker (even if it's for an engineering job for which none of the American candidates have the necessary engineering background). After all, we don't need anybody else coming in here and ruining this Christian country for the good, decent folk whose ancestors fought in the Revolutionary War. We can grow our own food and build our own products with our own people.

Sound about right? Well, I suppose at least I'd rather the poison be spilled in public where it is obvious for all to see...

[Ben Ficklin]

You see Morrigan, I'm not a policy maker, but I can read and the internet is in front of me.

Just as the City States gave way, so will the Nations.

[Ben Ficklin]

By the way, I am a card carrying member of the MayFlower Society.

[Morrigan]

Civil war will erupt long before this nation gives way. People will not let their country slip from their fingers. You are shortchanging the American people. There is still fight in them, even if they have forgotten about it. All they need is a good leader--and unfortunately, we do not have that right now.

Perhaps in 2004 we will try and fix that, though.