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Coffee,Tea,or Should We Feel Your Pregnant Wifes Breasts Before Throwing You in a Cell attheAirport?
lewrockwell.com ^ | 12/18/2002 | Nicholas Monahan

Posted on 12/21/2002 11:33:05 AM PST by Libertarian Billy Graham

 

Coffee, Tea, or Should We Feel Your Pregnant Wife’s Breasts Before Throwing You in a Cell at the Airport and Then Lying About Why We Put You There?

by Nicholas Monahan

This morning I’ll be escorting my wife to the hospital, where the doctors will perform a caesarean section to remove our first child. She didn’t want to do it this way – neither of us did – but sometimes the Fates decide otherwise. The Fates or, in our case, government employees.

On the morning of October 26th Mary and I entered Portland International Airport, en route to the Las Vegas wedding of one of my best friends. Although we live in Los Angeles, we’d been in Oregon working on a film, and up to that point had had nothing but praise to shower on the city of Portland, a refreshing change of pace from our own suffocating metropolis.

At the security checkpoint I was led aside for the "inspection" that’s all the rage at airports these days. My shoes were removed. I was told to take off my sweater, then to fold over the waistband of my pants. My baseball hat, hastily jammed on my head at 5 AM, was removed and assiduously examined ("Anything could be in here, sir," I was told, after I asked what I could hide in a baseball hat. Yeah. Anything.) Soon I was standing on one foot, my arms stretched out, the other leg sticking out in front of me àla a DUI test. I began to get pissed off, as most normal people would. My anger increased when I realized that the newly knighted federal employees weren’t just examining me, but my 7½ months pregnant wife as well. I’d originally thought that I’d simply been randomly selected for the more excessive than normal search. You know, Number 50 or whatever. Apparently not though – it was both of us. These are your new threats, America: pregnant accountants and their sleepy husbands flying to weddings.

After some more grumbling on my part they eventually finished with me and I went to retrieve our luggage from the x-ray machine. Upon returning I found my wife sitting in a chair, crying. Mary rarely cries, and certainly not in public. When I asked her what was the matter, she tried to quell her tears and sobbed, "I’m sorry...it’s...they touched my breasts...and..." That’s all I heard. I marched up to the woman who’d been examining her and shouted, "What did you do to her?" Later I found out that in addition to touching her swollen breasts – to protect the American citizenry – the employee had asked that she lift up her shirt. Not behind a screen, not off to the side – no, right there, directly in front of the hundred or so passengers standing in line. And for you women who’ve been pregnant and worn maternity pants, you know how ridiculous those things look. "I felt like a clown," my wife told me later. "On display for all these people, with the cotton panel on my pants and my stomach sticking out. When I sat down I just lost my composure and began to cry. That’s when you walked up."

Of course when I say she "told me later," it’s because she wasn’t able to tell me at the time, because as soon as I demanded to know what the federal employee had done to make her cry, I was swarmed by Portland police officers. Instantly. Three of them, cinching my arms, locking me in handcuffs, and telling me I was under arrest. Now my wife really began to cry. As they led me away and she ran alongside, I implored her to calm down, to think of the baby, promising her that everything would turn out all right. She faded into the distance and I was shoved into an elevator, a cop holding each arm. After making me face the corner, the head honcho told that I was under arrest and that I wouldn’t be flying that day – that I was in fact a "menace."

It took me a while to regain my composure. I felt like I was one of those guys in The Gulag Archipelago who, because the proceedings all seem so unreal, doesn’t fully realize that he is in fact being arrested in a public place in front of crowds of people for...for what? I didn’t know what the crime was. Didn’t matter. Once upstairs, the officers made me remove my shoes and my hat and tossed me into a cell. Yes, your airports have prison cells, just like your amusement parks, train stations, universities, and national forests. Let freedom reign.

After a short time I received a visit from the arresting officer. "Mr. Monahan," he started, "Are you on drugs?"

Was this even real? "No, I’m not on drugs."

"Should you be?"

"What do you mean?"

"Should you be on any type of medication?"

"No."

"Then why’d you react that way back there?"

You see the thinking? You see what passes for reasoning among your domestic shock troops these days? Only "whackos" get angry over seeing the woman they’ve been with for ten years in tears because someone has touched her breasts. That kind of reaction – love, protection – it’s mind-boggling! "Mr. Monahan, are you on drugs?" His snide words rang inside my head. This is my wife, finally pregnant with our first child after months of failed attempts, after the depressing shock of the miscarriage last year, my wife who’d been walking on a cloud over having the opportunity to be a mother...and my anger is simply unfathomable to the guy standing in front of me, the guy who earns a living thanks to my taxes, the guy whose family I feed through my labor. What I did wasn’t normal. No, I reacted like a drug addict would’ve. I was so disgusted I felt like vomiting. But that was just the beginning.

An hour later, after I’d been gallantly assured by the officer that I wouldn’t be attending my friend’s wedding that day, I heard Mary’s voice outside my cell. The officer was speaking loudly, letting her know that he was planning on doing me a favor... which everyone knows is never a real favor. He wasn’t going to come over and help me work on my car or move some furniture. No, his "favor" was this: He’d decided not to charge me with a felony.

Think about that for a second. Rapes, car-jackings, murders, arsons – those are felonies. So is yelling in an airport now, apparently. I hadn’t realized, though I should have. Luckily, I was getting a favor, though. I was merely going to be slapped with a misdemeanor.

"Here’s your court date," he said as I was released from my cell. In addition, I was banned from Portland International for 90 days, and just in case I was thinking of coming over and hanging out around its perimeter, the officer gave me a map with the boundaries highlighted, sternly warning me against trespassing. Then he and a second officer escorted us off the grounds. Mary and I hurriedly drove two and a half hours in the rain to Seattle, where we eventually caught a flight to Vegas. But the officer was true to his word – we missed my friend’s wedding. The fact that he’d been in my own wedding party, the fact that a once in a lifetime event was stolen from us – well, who cares, right?

Upon our return to Portland (I’d had to fly into Seattle and drive back down), we immediately began contacting attorneys. We aren’t litigious people – we wanted no money. I’m not even sure what we fully wanted. An apology? A reprimand? I don’t know. It doesn’t matter though, because we couldn’t afford a lawyer, it turned out. $4,000 was the average figure bandied about as a retaining fee. Sorry, but I’ve got a new baby on the way. So we called the ACLU, figuring they existed for just such incidents as these. And they do apparently...but only if we were minorities. That’s what they told us.

In the meantime, I’d appealed my suspension from PDX. A week or so later I got a response from the Director of Aviation. After telling me how, in the aftermath of 9/11, most passengers not only accept additional airport screening but welcome it, he cut to the chase:

"After a review of the police report and my discussions with police staff, as well as a review of the TSA’s report on this incident, I concur with the officer’s decision to take you into custody and to issue a citation to you for disorderly conduct. That being said, because I also understand that you were upset and acted on your emotions, I am willing to lift the Airport Exclusion Order...."

Attached to this letter was the report the officer had filled out. I’d like to say I couldn’t believe it, but in a way, I could. It’s seemingly becoming the norm in America – lies and deliberate distortions on the part of those in power, no matter how much or how little power they actually wield.

The gist of his report was this: From the get go I wasn’t following the screener’s directions. I was "squinting my eyes" and talking to my wife in a "low, forced voice" while "excitedly swinging my arms." Twice I began to walk away from the screener, inhaling and exhaling forcefully. When I’d completed the physical exam, I walked to the luggage screening area, where a second screener took a pair of scissors from my suitcase. At this point I yelled, "What the %*&$% is going on? This is &*#&$%!" The officer, who’d already been called over by one of the screeners, became afraid for the TSA staff and the many travelers. He required the assistance of a second officer as he "struggled" to get me into handcuffs, then for "cover" called over a third as well. It was only at this point that my wife began to cry hysterically.

There was nothing poetic in my reaction to the arrest report. I didn’t crumple it in my fist and swear that justice would be served, promising to sacrifice my resources and time to see that it would. I simply stared. Clearly the officer didn’t have the guts to write down what had really happened. It might not look too good to see that stuff about the pregnant woman in tears because she’d been humiliated. Instead this was the official scenario being presented for the permanent record. It doesn’t even matter that it’s the most implausible sounding situation you can think of. "Hey, what the...godammit, they’re taking our scissors, honey!" Why didn’t he write in anything about a monkey wearing a fez?

True, the TSA staff had expropriated a pair of scissors from our toiletries kit – the story wasn’t entirely made up. Except that I’d been locked in airport jail at the time. I didn’t know anything about any scissors until Mary told me on our drive up to Seattle. They’d questioned her about them while I was in the bowels of the airport sitting in my cell.

So I wrote back, indignation and disgust flooding my brain.

"[W]hile I’m not sure, I’d guess that the entire incident is captured on video. Memory is imperfect on everyone’s part, but the footage won’t lie. I realize it might be procedurally difficult for you to view this, but if you could, I’d appreciate it. There’s no willful disregard of screening directions. No explosion over the discovery of a pair of scissors in a suitcase. No struggle to put handcuffs on. There’s a tired man, early in the morning, unhappily going through a rigorous procedure and then reacting to the tears of his pregnant wife."

Eventually we heard back from a different person, the guy in charge of the TSA airport screeners. One of his employees had made the damning statement about me exploding over her scissor discovery, and the officer had deftly incorporated that statement into his report. We asked the guy if he could find out why she’d said this – couldn’t she possibly be mistaken? "Oh, can’t do that, my hands are tied. It’s kind of like leading a witness – I could get in trouble, heh heh." Then what about the videotape? Why not watch that? That would exonerate me. "Oh, we destroy all video after three days."

Sure you do.

A few days later we heard from him again. He just wanted to inform us that he’d received corroboration of the officer’s report from the officer’s superior, a name we didn’t recognize. "But...he wasn’t even there," my wife said.

"Yeah, well, uh, he’s corroborated it though."

That’s how it works.

"Oh, and we did look at the videotape. Inconclusive."

But I thought it was destroyed?

On and on it went. Due to the tenacity of my wife in making phone calls and speaking with relevant persons, the "crime" was eventually lowered to a mere citation. Only she could have done that. I would’ve simply accepted what was being thrown at me, trumped up charges and all, simply because I’m wholly inadequate at performing the kowtow. There’s no way I could have contacted all the people Mary did and somehow pretend to be contrite. Besides, I speak in a low, forced voice, which doesn’t elicit sympathy. Just police suspicion.

Weeks later at the courthouse I listened to a young DA awkwardly read the charges against me – "Mr. Monahan...umm...shouted obscenities at the airport staff...umm... umm...oh, they took some scissors from his suitcase and he became...umm...abusive at this point." If I was reading about it in Kafka I might have found something vaguely amusing in all of it. But I wasn’t. I was there. Living it.

I entered a plea of nolo contendere, explaining to the judge that if I’d been a resident of Oregon, I would have definitely pled "Not Guilty." However, when that happens, your case automatically goes to a jury trial, and since I lived a thousand miles away, and was slated to return home in seven days, with a newborn due in a matter of weeks...you get the picture. "No Contest" it was. Judgment: $250 fine.

Did I feel happy? Only $250, right? No, I wasn’t happy. I don’t care if it’s twelve cents, that’s money pulled right out of my baby’s mouth and fed to a disgusting legal system that will use it to propagate more incidents like this. But at the very least it was over, right? Wrong.

When we returned to Los Angeles there was an envelope waiting for me from the court. Inside wasn’t a receipt for the money we’d paid. No, it was a letter telling me that what I actually owed was $309 – state assessed court costs, you know. Wouldn’t you think your taxes pay for that – the state putting you on trial? No, taxes are used to hire more cops like the officer, because with our rising criminal population – people like me – hey, your average citizen demands more and more "security."

Finally I reach the piece de resistance. The week before we’d gone to the airport my wife had had her regular pre-natal checkup. The child had settled into the proper head down position for birth, continuing the remarkable pregnancy she’d been having. We returned to Portland on Sunday. On Mary’s Monday appointment she was suddenly told, "Looks like your baby’s gone breech." When she later spoke with her midwives in Los Angeles, they wanted to know if she’d experienced any type of trauma recently, as this often makes a child flip. "As a matter of fact..." she began, recounting the story, explaining how the child inside of her was going absolutely crazy when she was crying as the police were leading me away through the crowd.

My wife had been planning a natural childbirth. She’d read dozens of books, meticulously researched everything, and had finally decided that this was the way for her. No drugs, no numbing of sensations – just that ultimate combination of brute pain and sheer joy that belongs exclusively to mothers. But my wife is also a first-time mother, so she has what is called an "untested" pelvis. Essentially this means that a breech birth is too dangerous to attempt, for both mother and child. Therefore, she’s now relegated to a c-section – hospital stay, epidural, catheter, fetal monitoring, stitches – everything she didn’t want. Her natural birth has become a surgery.

We’ve tried everything to turn that baby. Acupuncture, chiropractic techniques, underwater handstands, elephant walking, moxibustion, bending backwards over pillows, herbs, external manipulation – all to no avail. When I walked into the living room the other night and saw her plaintively cooing with a flashlight turned onto her stomach, yet another suggested technique, my heart almost broke. It’s breaking now as I write these words.

I can never prove that my child went breech because of what happened to us at the airport. But I’ll always believe it. Wrongly or rightly, I’ll forever think of how this man, the personification of this system, has affected the lives of my family and me. When my wife is sliced open, I’ll be thinking of him. When they remove her uterus from her abdomen and lay it on her stomach, I’ll be thinking of him. When I visit her and my child in the hospital instead of having them with me here in our home, I’ll be thinking of him. When I assist her to the bathroom while the incision heals internally, I’ll be thinking of him.

There are plenty of stories like this these days. I don’t know how many I’ve read where the writer describes some breach of civil liberties by employees of the state, then wraps it all up with a dire warning about what we as a nation are becoming, and how if we don’t put an end to it now, then we’re in for heaps of trouble. Well you know what? Nothing’s going to stop the inevitable. There’s no policy change that’s going to save us. There’s no election that’s going to put a halt to the onslaught of tyranny. It’s here already – this country has changed for the worse and will continue to change for the worse. There is now a division between the citizenry and the state. When that state is used as a tool against me, there is no longer any reason why I should owe any allegiance to that state.

And that’s the first thing that child of ours is going to learn.

December 21, 2002

Nick Monahan works in the film industry. He writes out of Los Angeles where he lives with his wife and as of December 18th, his beautiful new son.

Copyright © 2002 LewRockwell.com

     

 

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Coffee, Tea, or Should We Feel Your Pregnant Wife's Breasts Before Throwing You in a Cell at the Airport and Then Lying About Why We Put You There?

1 posted on 12/21/2002 11:33:05 AM PST by Libertarian Billy Graham
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To: Libertarian Billy Graham
It's a rather inconclusive tale....
2 posted on 12/21/2002 11:39:59 AM PST by Cogadh na Sith
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To: Libertarian Billy Graham
One day, not too far off, the good people of this country are going to stand up and say they've had enough. We allow millions of illegal aliens in this country because we won't enforce the border, and we allow idiots to harass innocent people at airports, when they should be doing something useful like guarding the border. Truly this is Orwell's 1984.
3 posted on 12/21/2002 11:45:30 AM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: Republic of Texas
It looks like this guy went off from the get go and then the security people made it worse?
4 posted on 12/21/2002 11:46:42 AM PST by america-rules
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To: Libertarian Billy Graham; Semaphore Heathcliffe
Bump for federally-unionizing the aitport screener goons.

"I feel so much safer now, all that liberty was getting me down."

(I told you your quote had universal appeal..)

5 posted on 12/21/2002 11:48:52 AM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: Libertarian Billy Graham
There was a guy on subguns.com BBS telling his story abot how he returned from Europe a few days ago, and the US Customs agent pulled him to the side and asked the following questions:

1. How much money have you got on you?

2. Was your trip to Europe business or pleasure?

3. Do you own any guns?

6 posted on 12/21/2002 11:49:25 AM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: Libertarian Billy Graham
What a disturbing tale.

Luckily, something like this could never happen to me. (/sarcasm)
7 posted on 12/21/2002 11:50:34 AM PST by motzman
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To: america-rules
You're kidding, right?
8 posted on 12/21/2002 11:54:57 AM PST by Movemout
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To: america-rules
Have you flown lately? "Security People"? These are people that, by and large couldn't get a job at starbucks.
9 posted on 12/21/2002 12:01:53 PM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: Libertarian Billy Graham
There is now a division between the citizenry and the state. When that state is used as a tool against me, there is no longer any reason why I should owe any allegiance to that state.

And that’s the first thing that child of ours is going to learn.

I flew to Vegas last month from Detroit. At the security screening area were some xeroxed signs warning that "aggressive" language was a crime and would be grounds for arrest. Presumably even raising your voice is a felony now. The state must be protected against the citizenry at all costs.

I think the writer now realizes what I have for a long time now... the state is your enemy. Anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot. Read A.J. Nock's Our Enemy The State. I've been teaching my son that for a while now.

I owe no allegiance to the Feds, in fact the only thing I do owe them is my utter contempt.

10 posted on 12/21/2002 12:03:35 PM PST by AK2KX
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To: america-rules
It looks like this guy went off from the get go and then the security people made it worse?

Flown lately?

11 posted on 12/21/2002 12:03:39 PM PST by Glenn
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To: chookter
Sounds like a fruitcake to me. How would acupuncture, herbs or moxibustion (whatever that is) assist in the turning of a breech presentation baby? Matter of fact, how would an emotional upset to the mother cause a baby to go from head-first to feet-first?

I can't take the rest of the tale seriously.

12 posted on 12/21/2002 12:04:32 PM PST by Trust but Verify
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To: Libertarian Billy Graham
There are two sides to every story eh.... The truth is in between somewhere, I am sure.

His whole story describes his own trauma, and his wife's ability to deal with it more calmly than he did. The punch-line should not have been that his wife's pregnancy was breech. He lost me.
13 posted on 12/21/2002 12:06:23 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Trust but Verify
She shed a few tears, and then help clean up his mess. The whole story was about his own emotional upset more than his wife's.
14 posted on 12/21/2002 12:07:55 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
"The truth is in the middle and it's all about his emotional upset"

?

Oh good.

And to think, I was outraged by it. Glad it's nothing to worry about.

Thanks for clearing that up.

15 posted on 12/21/2002 12:11:02 PM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: Libertarian Billy Graham
I'm really in favor of having cameras in all public places, especially where law enforcement or security is involved. And no destroying the tape allowed.

Keep a video camera in your home just in case the police or child-savers stop by. I sure wish we had a recording of our encounters.

16 posted on 12/21/2002 12:11:16 PM PST by eccentric
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To: Republic of Texas
One day, not too far off, the good people of this country are going to stand up and say they've had enough.

There's no one to say it to. Except each other, maybe. No one that will listen.

17 posted on 12/21/2002 12:11:30 PM PST by templar
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To: Libertarian Billy Graham
No matter what you think of the guys story....it clearly seems to me like these airport bozos need a protocol in searching and 'patting down' pregnant women.

I cannot think of a man alive who would not be upset if his pregnant wife was crying saying an airport employee touched her breasts and was made to lift her clothing in front of a crowd.

18 posted on 12/21/2002 12:13:30 PM PST by BossLady
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To: eccentric
Keep a video camera in your home just in case the police or child-savers stop by.

Ever notice how most public 'servants' react to a camcorder or tape recorder in these situations? It's impressive: like a vampire recoiling from a cross.

19 posted on 12/21/2002 12:13:54 PM PST by templar
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To: AK2KX
Read A.J. Nock's Our Enemy The State.

I read Nock as well as Oppenheimer's The State many years ago.

There is now a division between the citizenry and the state. When that state is used as a tool against me, there is no longer any reason why I should owe any allegiance to that state.

This quote from Doug Casey was posted on another web site in response to this story--as sort of a "conclusion" I suppose that some here are unable to deduce:

Americans have often wondered where the Germans were able to recruit all the people who staffed the Gestapo and the SS. The fact is, however, that sociopaths, sociopath sympathizers, the weak-kneed, and the easily-led form a standard distribution across all societies, in all times. We have just as many in America now as the Germans did in the 1930s. Maybe even more, since Americans have been programmed by the public schools and the mass media for several generations more than were the Germans of that time. Your local TIPS snitch might report that you "fail to display sufficient respect for authority." Or maybe he'll write down that you "laugh upon hearing the phrase 'homeland security'." Think I'm kidding?

The popular response to the TIPS program is proof that the time is now right for the creepy-crawlies to emerge from under their rocks. That neighbor who's got a kid, and a dog, and plays ball of a Saturday may have exactly the same dark side as the German who always politely shopped at a Jewish deli, but then broke its windows when Kristalnacht came.

One scary and hysterical government measure that hasn't been shelved was the activation of 300 Army National Guard tank battalions as part of a homeland defense force, as part of a strategy calling for the domestic use of U.S. military forces. Reuters reported that, in his July 20 speech, Bush said that tank battalions "will serve in the homeland defense role within the United States." I'd like to know how, exactly, tanks will be employed within the U.S.

The reactivity, and utter lack of principle, of the Baby Bush regime is underlined by the creation of a Department of Homeland Security. And that...entirely apart from the fact that its $37 billion budget will compete with the FBI, CIA, NSA and other bloated and dangerous bureaucracies as Praetorian Guard wannabees."

20 posted on 12/21/2002 12:14:50 PM PST by Libertarian Billy Graham
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To: america-rules
While in the military during the Cold War, I crossed East German checkpoints going to and from East Berlin. The Vopos were less intrusive than the putzes at U.S. airports. The only people who are singled out for multiple searches are people who are absolutely no threat. Bin Laden could breeze through security like a head of state carrying a suitcase atom bomb.

Obviously, losing one's temper at a paramilitary checkpoint is a disastrous turn of events. But it's not necessary to misbehave to have the most unpleasant experience of one's life, if one hasn't inprocessed at a penal facility. All that's necessary is to fly commercially often enough and to be unlucky. The odds are not in one's favor.

Flying commercially is the most unpleasant experience in life, with the chance of a felony arrest or death as an added fillip. I flew 150,000 miles a year prior to 9-11. I don't fly commercially any more. If I can't fly private aviation, take a train or drive, I don't go there.





21 posted on 12/21/2002 12:22:39 PM PST by Man of the Right
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To: Libertarian Billy Graham
Well, frankly, this is what happens when you take incompetents and give them lifetime federal employment. If anyone it is to blame, other than these particular nitwits, it is Little Tommy Daschle, who insisted that all airline security jobs should be federalized, and President Bush, for going along with him rather than fighting it.
22 posted on 12/21/2002 12:23:04 PM PST by Cicero
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To: BossLady
I cannot think of a man alive who would not be upset if his pregnant wife was crying saying an airport employee touched her breasts and was made to lift her clothing in front of a crowd.

I could. Alan Colmes.
23 posted on 12/21/2002 12:24:08 PM PST by motzman
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To: Jhoffa_
Whether he was right to be upset is not the point. He undoubtedly was human to be upset, and maybe rightfully so.

Was his wife's baby breech because he was upset? This guy wants to make it seem like it is about her, but it isn't. He threw a temper tantrum in an airport and got arrested, and that is what is ticking him off. I can sympathize with his upset, unless I sense he is using his wife's breech pregnancy as a ploy for more sympathy. He exaggerated, and lost me in the process.
24 posted on 12/21/2002 12:24:47 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: motzman
LMAO! I said.....MAN! Not so sure about Alan on that one.... :o
25 posted on 12/21/2002 12:28:04 PM PST by BossLady
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To: Libertarian Billy Graham; aculeus; general_re; Poohbah; chookter
So we called the ACLU, figuring they existed for just such incidents as these. And they do apparently...but only if we were minorities. That’s what they told us.

Would Mr. Monahan care to repeat that, under penalty of perjury? It doesn't pass my smell test.

26 posted on 12/21/2002 12:28:32 PM PST by dighton
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To: motzman
BossLady specified a MAN, so Alan Colmes is out.
27 posted on 12/21/2002 12:35:31 PM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: HairOfTheDog
Seems to me a fake pregnancy would be an easy way to smuggle things onto a plane. How would security detect a "bambino bomb" from a real pregnancy without some kind of inspection?
28 posted on 12/21/2002 12:35:59 PM PST by BigBobber
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To: HairOfTheDog
By all means, ignore the Gestapo part and get to the bottom of that breech delivery part!
29 posted on 12/21/2002 12:36:49 PM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: Libertarian Billy Graham
I've done a lot of flying since 9/11, and Portland security was by far the toughest and rudest. (I was there last weekend) I've learned to travel(dress) with no metal objects, and usually breeze right through the metal detector. Theirs was way more sensitive, and I was forced to endure a more extensive search. The guy searching me was kind of rude, and kept putting his hands in rather personal places without warning. (Many ask permisson first). As was the case this time, I almost always get visibly angry the longer the search continues.

These security people are going to have to realize that what they do, and how they do it, will cause normally reasonable travelers to become angry and impatient, and take responsibility for these kinds of incidences.

BTW, I would've reacted the same, or worse, to a pregnant wife.

30 posted on 12/21/2002 12:40:28 PM PST by Tex-Con-Man
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To: Libertarian Billy Graham
Give the goons a permanent job, a badge, and a gubbamint pension.
Only in America.
31 posted on 12/21/2002 12:40:47 PM PST by ppaul
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To: HairOfTheDog
As someone who flies frequently, I can relate and somewhat sympathize with this story. With that said, I can't help but feel the guys' whole life (and his wife's) would be a lot less dramatic if he learned how to control himself a little more.
32 posted on 12/21/2002 12:41:16 PM PST by paul51
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To: Man of the Right
"Flying commercially is the most unpleasant experience in life, with the chance of a felony arrest or death as an added fillip. I flew 150,000 miles a year prior to 9-11. I don't fly commercially any more. If I can't fly private aviation, take a train or drive, I don't go there.
"

Utter nonsense. Flying commercially can't hold a candle to being in an auto accident, being mugged, being raped, or an entire list of things that are far worse experiences. I fly a heckuva lot, and continue to do so. I've had my share of being pulled aside for screening in recent months. I find it mildly annoying, and that's it. It takes some extra time, but I have always allowed extra time at airports.

As for the wife in question being touched...that should have been done behind a screen...most definitely. I had one security guy run the back of his hand across the front of my pants, after he told me he was going to do it. I see little difference there, frankly. No doubt the woman was felt up by another woman. No big deal, even if mildly annoying.

To blow these checks out of proportion and claim they are the worst experience in life is to be ridiculous. Try catching viral encephalitis on a cross-country road trip and spending two weeks in a hospital nowhere near where you live. That happened to me. It was far, far worse than being screened at an airport.

Exaggeration does nothing to solve the problem. We need to protest unwarranted intrusions into our lives, but we need not exaggerate their significance.

33 posted on 12/21/2002 12:42:25 PM PST by MineralMan
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To: Libertarian Billy Graham
That this happened in Portland is getting to be typical lately. The federal screeners exhibited what looks like idiot-newbie lack of training, but the real villains of this account were the local cops who, true to their lefty Oregon milieu, took it upon themselves to treat a customer complaint as a major felony.

Do Oregonians believe that letting people complain at the airport might lead to pumping gas?

34 posted on 12/21/2002 12:42:32 PM PST by BlazingArizona
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To: Tex-Con-Man
These security people are going to have to realize that what they do, and how they do it, will cause normally reasonable travelers to become angry and impatient, and take responsibility for these kinds of incidences.

Why would these drop-out wannabe SS care or take responsibility? You get angry or impatient at them, they just snap their fingers and off you go to the gulag.

35 posted on 12/21/2002 12:47:28 PM PST by AK2KX
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To: paul51
Well, I fly alot, about every two weeks and I have uniformly had polite encounters with security. When I have been screened they are so polite the screening is useless. They barelly touch me and act embarassed to be doing so. Now they don't smile and chat, they are businesslike and never hassle me. And I am sure that if the lady asked, they would go behind a screen. There are always screens at the airports I go to. So I don't get this. So they touched her breasts, big deal {but then I remember when I was pregnant not being so sensitive about it, anyone who ever had a baby knows utter strangers come up and feel the baby and you can't have a baby and preserve modesty}. So he sounds like he went off when she cried. Lesson for ladies,,try not to cry at security when your husband has a tendancy to go ballistic. He is a collosal whiner.
36 posted on 12/21/2002 12:49:05 PM PST by cajungirl
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To: Republic of Texas
BossLady specified a MAN, so Alan Colmes is out.

Hmm...no wonder his..er, her name came immediatley to mind. He sure is an ugly lady...
37 posted on 12/21/2002 12:49:48 PM PST by motzman
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To: Libertarian Billy Graham
Why would any woman want to travel by plane when she's 7 1/2 months pregnant? Apparently some guy's wedding in Las Vegas was more important to them than endangering the child. They made that choice long before going to the airport. Flying in the last tri-mester is generally not recommended for good reasons.
38 posted on 12/21/2002 12:50:21 PM PST by Chico
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To: MineralMan
Sure, assuming that the house is being custom-built for you. What about spec houses? PEX may be the best thing since sliced bread...I don't know, frankly, having been out of the business for some years. But...it also may not be. I remember when the same arguments were used for CVPC for hot water piping. Turned out that that stuff was crap, and even possibly toxic. Try replumbing a house if you want some real expensive hassles. If I were buying a spec house, I would not buy it if it had any plastic pipe in the walls. I'd ask, then walk if it was there. Copper will last a lifetime. Should the government be telling us what goes into our houses? Well, it's been doing that for many decades. Building codes are just that. No doubt there are things in there that shouldn't be, but the idea is good. Frankly, you have no idea what's inside the walls of a spec house. You can't see inside the walls. Without properly-enforced building codes, you would not believe what would pass for construction standards. The government has a role in this.
39 posted on 12/21/2002 12:50:24 PM PST by MineralMan
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To: BossLady
Hopefully, one day "Alan" will get pregnant, and we'll be spared his spew for a few months...
40 posted on 12/21/2002 12:51:29 PM PST by motzman
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To: MineralMan
Shoot...sorry. I clicked the Reply "above" the message, instead of below. Wrong topic.
41 posted on 12/21/2002 12:51:40 PM PST by MineralMan
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To: MineralMan
I suspect you posted #39 to the wrong thread..

Did you mean to go: HERE Instead?

42 posted on 12/21/2002 12:52:38 PM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: Man of the Right
Flying commercially is the most unpleasant experience in life, with the chance of a felony arrest or death as an added fillip. I flew 150,000 miles a year prior to 9-11. I don't fly commercially any more. If I can't fly private aviation, take a train or drive, I don't go there.

10-4 on go by private plane. Unless your trip has no lead-time for the most part you can arrange a flight at modest cost. This is a best-kept secret.

43 posted on 12/21/2002 12:52:50 PM PST by toddst
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To: paul51
They got you, don't they? Put up no resistance, let them do whatever they want, meekly stand there while your wife is humiliated and for God's sake, don't ever, ever, ever get the least bit angry at one of those highly trained Federal employees. I amd sure glad I don't have you backing me up.
44 posted on 12/21/2002 12:53:46 PM PST by raybbr
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To: Republic of Texas
I said he was human and maybe "right" to be upset. He should have left it at that... he is the one that distracted me with the breech. I don't know how much of a temper tantrum he had, or whether he should have been arrested, but I do know that temper tantrums at airports are not wise.
46 posted on 12/21/2002 12:55:06 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: raybbr
Hope you don't fly much. Something tells me you may encounter some difficulty
47 posted on 12/21/2002 12:56:27 PM PST by paul51
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To: Republic of Texas

No kidding.. Let's cut right to the chase!

(Now I finally understand why God said for women not to teach men.. Oh my.)

48 posted on 12/21/2002 12:56:37 PM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: Jhoffa_
"I suspect you posted #39 to the wrong thread..
Did you mean to go: HERE Instead?
>

Yup. I was reading in the My Comments section, and clicked the Reply button for the wrong message. I won't do that again. Stupid!
49 posted on 12/21/2002 12:59:30 PM PST by MineralMan
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To: HairOfTheDog
Why did he need to get arrested because some idiot federale didn't like how he "inhaled and exhaled loudly".
50 posted on 12/21/2002 1:03:13 PM PST by sobieski
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