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U.S. Corrects 'Southern Bias' at Civil War Sites
Reuters via Lycos.com ^ | 12/22/2002 | Alan Elsner

Posted on 12/22/2002 7:56:45 AM PST by GeneD

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To: GWELO; shuckmaster
"The civil war was not fought over slavery.Most people in the north didnt care about freeing the slaves."

After the "emancipation proclamation" 2,000 yankee officers and 30,000 enlisted men left the federal army. They did not sign up to "free the slaves" and when Lincoln & Co. tried to turn the war into just that, the troops started defecting.

Besides that, the emanciplation proclamation did not free any slaves north of the Mason Dixon line (or below it for that matter). Wonder if the revised history of the Gettysburg park will mention that?

161 posted on 12/22/2002 7:23:06 PM PST by PistolPaknMama
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To: GeneD
It is also failing to preserve the 700,000 items in its collection, including 350,000 maps, documents and photographs, many of which were rotting away or crumbling into dust until they were put into temporary storage.

What use are these? I imagine they are completely unPC- let's just burn them and save some space.

162 posted on 12/22/2002 7:23:45 PM PST by Cleburne
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To: gitmo
Lincoln delivered the Gettysburg Address and returned to a White House maintained by slaves.

And where the capitol building was being built by slaves.

163 posted on 12/22/2002 7:27:03 PM PST by PistolPaknMama
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To: wasp69; Keith
I have the impression Keith is saying might makes right.
164 posted on 12/22/2002 7:33:21 PM PST by aristeides
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To: stand watie
Bump
165 posted on 12/22/2002 7:36:15 PM PST by Jael
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To: Keith
One more fine reason to homeschool!!!
166 posted on 12/22/2002 7:40:58 PM PST by Jael
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To: agrandis
Isn't that a private park?
167 posted on 12/22/2002 7:44:58 PM PST by Jael
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To: Jael
Isn't that a private park?

That's what I asked. But of course the 1964 Civil Rights Act, as well as the Supreme Court's Bob Jones decision, shows that sometimes it doesn't matter whether something is public or private.

168 posted on 12/22/2002 7:47:28 PM PST by aristeides
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To: aristeides
I don't know about "extremely." I've learned not to trust politicians who talk about their "heavy hearts," but to be sure, some were more enthusiastic, and others more reluctant.

The existence of hard-core secessionist sentiment predating and even trying to precipitate Lincoln's election indicates that secession in many states was more than just a defensive reaction to the election and Lincoln's policies. The ground was being prepared for years in advance.

One certainly can -- and probably ought to -- distinguish between the first wave of secessions and the last which did have more of a reactive character. Doing so indicates that Southerners, like Northerners, were far from united about what to do. But to leave enthusiastic secessionism and radical Southern nationalism out of the picture is to miss an essential element.

169 posted on 12/22/2002 7:48:03 PM PST by x
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To: PistolPaknMama
After the "emancipation proclamation" 2,000 yankee officers and 30,000 enlisted men left the federal army.

Don't forget the draft riots in NYC. Seems to me that started up about that same time, and for the same reason.

Besides that, the emancipation proclamation did not free any slaves north of the Mason Dixon line (or below it for that matter).

Technically, it purported to free only those slaves in areas not then under federal control. Areas which were (and a number of them are specifically enumerated therein) were excluded.

The EP totally failed to impress the leaders of the British Government, one of whom was heard to remark that Lincoln was abolishing slavery only in those places where he had no authority to do it, while preserving it within his own jurisdiction. But it found traction enough with the British public, and the Government eventually came to heel. That was the point, after all.

170 posted on 12/22/2002 7:57:18 PM PST by thulldud
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To: x
I agree with that, especially with the distinction you draw between the first and second waves of secession.

When the Upper South refused to secede, Lincoln had in fact won a huge political victory, as Seward, unlike Lincoln, realized. But Lincoln proceeded to throw that victory away. The Lower South was not in a position to make a go of it, economically. Had the Lower South been allowed to secede peacefully -- as Seward and many others wanted -- it would probably have had to sue for readmission to the Union inside a short time.

The war, which ended up costing 600,000 lives, was thus unnecessary, and only ended up being precipitated by Lincoln's hasty actions, which were just bad statesmanship -- Lincoln totally misunderstood what Southern Unionism meant. The Southern Unionists opposed secession, but they were totally unwilling to use force to compel seceding states to stay within the Union.

171 posted on 12/22/2002 7:57:56 PM PST by aristeides
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To: Non-Sequitur
"And you base this on?"

You must have the same response software as Walt.

172 posted on 12/22/2002 8:05:00 PM PST by Aurelius
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To: GeneD
Back in October I drove up to Baltimore to visit my son. While I was there, he and I drove to Antietam Battlefield (he's a bit of a Civil War buff). We didn't tour the battlefield - it was raining intermittantly - but we watched the introductory film. There was nothing sympathetic to the South in that - it could have been made by Ken Burns. I found particularly offensive a prominent quote attributed to Lincoln where he alleged that if he could have his way the war would end, but God's will was otherwise. This blasphemous sentiment was repeated, as is well known, in the 2nd Inaugural.

My point is in short - I don't believe this BS about "Southern bias" at the National Parks. My son visits Gettysburg a lot, I'm going to email this Reuters article to him and will be interested to get his take on it.

173 posted on 12/22/2002 8:08:15 PM PST by Aurelius
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To: GeneD
Note on the Gettysburg Address
by H.L. Mencken

The Gettysburg speech was at once the shortest and the most famous oration in American history...the highest emotion reduced to a few poetical phrases. Lincoln himself never even remotely approached it. It is genuinely stupendous. But let us not forget that it is poetry, not logic; beauty, not sense. Think of the argument in it. Put it into the cold words of everyday. The doctrine is simply this: that the Union soldiers who died at Gettysburg sacrificed their lives to the cause of self-determination – that government of the people, by the people, for the people, should not perish from the earth. It is difficult to imagine anything more untrue. The Union soldiers in the battle actually fought against self-determination; it was the Confederates who fought for the right of their people to govern themselves.

174 posted on 12/22/2002 8:14:01 PM PST by Aurelius
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To: GeneD
'"We'd be happy to address the members of civic, social, historical, and other groups -- large and small -- both about the museum plans and about the General Management Plan," said Superintendent John Latschar.

If your organization is interested, call the park Public Affairs Office at (717) 334-1124 x452. "
176 posted on 12/22/2002 8:22:04 PM PST by MonroeDNA
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To: Aurelius
The only Southern "bias" at Gettysburg is that the giftshop sells more Confederate Battle flags than any other item.
177 posted on 12/22/2002 8:33:28 PM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: PatrickHenry; Vigilanteman; Sparta; Abcdefg; DWSUWF; widowithfoursons; hgro; SAMWolf; ...
Perhaps a phone call is in order:

"We'd be happy to address the members of civic, social, historical, and other groups -- large and small -- both about the museum plans and about the General Management Plan," said Superintendent John Latschar.

If your organization is interested, call the park Public Affairs Office at (717) 334-1124 x452."
178 posted on 12/22/2002 8:36:46 PM PST by MonroeDNA
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To: stainlessbanner
"The only Southern "bias" at Gettysburg is that the giftshop sells more Confederate Battle flags than any other item."

Well, you can surely understand why the powers that be don't like that.

179 posted on 12/22/2002 8:42:01 PM PST by Aurelius
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To: IronJack
Then what were these battles fought about. I will tell you. The southern states had laws making slaves property ang giving them the right to retrive their property anywhere they could find it. They often tracked their slaves up North and kidnapped them. The North objected to this and there were several small battles fought over this.

The southern states claimed the right to their property while the nothern states were actively helping slaves escape bondage. Many laws were repealed making it more and more difficult for Slaves to re retrived from the North. Eventually the southern states broke away because they felt they had a better chance of maintaining their slaves this way.

It was all about slavery in one way or another.
180 posted on 12/22/2002 8:44:34 PM PST by ImphClinton
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